Why I REGRET buying the NEW KLX250 vs the new KLX300
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I love my KLX 250S I
Put a good aftermarket pipe and silencer. A pair of high quality handle bars and a good skid plate that protects the entire front of the motor even the side case. Anew twist throd and grips a good pair of bars K&N air filter new Dunlop MX knobby tire and a luggage rack. And a new taillight that got rid of the rear fender that hangs way down in the rear. My Son bought the new Honda CFL 300. My 250 is just as fast and lighter handles better. I have no problem climbing mountain trails. So it’s a waste of money to buy a 300 if you have a 250. If you want a faster fun trail and track bike buy the new Honda CR 250 2 stroke they are a blast. I ride strictly off road and some gravel roads. I don’t like street riding I bought a Verse’s 650 Kawasaki and I was nervous of truck and cars following to close constantly pulling out in front of me. I traded it in for the 250 Honda 2 stroke the road riding is not something I enjoy.
I bought a KLX250 2020 brand new in Mai 2020, I drove 7000km the first summer and so far in 2 months 3000km mostly on roads ....Never Never got any problem.... just love it riding in the city and the regional roads around Montréal, Qc. I'm not the one to say about how it is off road....I choose the KLX for it amazing look, it fair price, it known durability and off course for the fuel injection system. I'm 6' tall 170pds 61yo.and like to be sitting high on a bike in city streets....seen well what's going around me ....I'm going to keep this bike until they're going to remove my driving licence in my old age lol...
I was saying to a friend just the other day, I know a handful of people with KLX250s and none of them have ever sold. It's that forever bike for them, as is mine
@@bigglyguy8429 Not for sale; still like it ....finishing my 3rd summer with 38000km done, beginning a 3rd set of tire, a 2nd set of break pads and no others spending except regular maintenance..... cool bike for ever....
Off Road....great!!!
I’m from Montreal too bro, South Shore and Laurentians have some cool off road spots
Beat ya! I'm 67 and rode my 2019 klx250 Camo Inuvik-Tuk return like a maniac. Through deep loose gravel to ravine-cuts and pot-hole dodging. Mostly on pegs, while shifting weight from one foot to another in loose corners. As smoothly controlled as possible.
I see this as a matter of perspective. Being new to riding I bought a brand new DRZ400 because I wanted to focus on learning to ride, not getting out of the desert alive with a broke down bike, especially while riding with my kids. The money you lose on the value of the bike is cost of being able to learn with less risk of break downs. Yes, it's important to learn to work on your bike, but there's time for that later, instead of ruining the learning experience by worrying about your bike at all times. Being a new rider you already have enough to worry about without piling on the worry of break downs. Once I'm more confident in my riding skills, then yes, I would buy a used bike if I decide to upgrade. This is of course only a valid perspective if you can afford and are willing to spend the extra money to learn in a more trouble free way. Besides, your bike doesn't have to break for you to learn how to work on it. Nothing stopping you from taking things apart and rebuilding if you really want to learn your way around your bike. Just another way to look at this...
you have 100% solid opinion and I agree with you. thanks for sharing
Personally I usually only do things if I have too, If I don't have too I wont..
If I have to troubleshoot, I'll be forces to learn I think...
That being said I have projects that were too much troubleshooting that I got frustrated and left for years old to sell it lol.
Buy a used KLX250 , when you master the stock bike, do the Bill Blues 351cc big bore kit, 33 to 34mm pumper carb, and FMF Powercore 4 and you're good to go!
They act like the 300 has so much more power! It’s like 5hp lol put on an aftermarket exhaust, tuner and you’re 99% of the way there without selling your bike!
I've got to say, starting out with a TW200 that was given to me after it sat in a friend's back yard for four years, was probably the best thing that could have happened to me. I got to learn how to fix just about every freakin' little thing on that bike. Water had gotten into everything, and I had to rebuild everything form the brakes to stuff inside the case. Gotta learn to redo the inside of a tank, replace wheels, rebuild shocks, etc. And all of that has really benefited me in the way of knowledge. I have no fear of diving into repairs or maintenance at all anymore. I also have a DR200, but it was pretty much brand new (used), and has required very little work. KLX300 will be my next bike since I'm advancing beyond what the poor DR200 and TW200 want to do, but that TW is not going anywhere. Still the stupidest fun I've ever had. But it is SLOW! :)
@Ridge Top And if you have a simple toolkit for simple stuff You will now understand how to fix it, That right there is part of riding "Dual sport" or off in places that you just can't call a friend, Loving your comment! - Street bikes are SH*T to try and fix anything you have to pull apart half the bike to get to anything 🤣
Tw200...Dr200...klx...you must be a good Man
I also had the TW200. Great fun on the beaches of Mex. Though it was more comfortable to ride, my KLX handles better and you kind of get used to the stiff 2X4 it uses as a seat.
I wouldn’t be missing out on anything with one I couldn’t do without the other. Enjoy the one you have and beat the game with contentment.
I went a slightly different route. I also got into bikes later in life. Got very interested in the KLX 250 when researching and reading about how much of a good dual sport it was for beginners, and wanted something that would allow me to use on the street and go off-roading with my friends. The 300 dual sport model was just coming out , so I contemplated getting the 300, but after more research I decided to keep the buy-in price down by getting a lightly used 250 on the 2nd hand market and saved over $2,000 than if I got a new 300. I then used the savings to purchase modifications and add-ons over the next 18 months, as my skills and knowledge grew. Took the plunge a few months ago and purchased the Bill Blue 351 big bore kit and had a bike mechanic install it (I'm not ready to dick around inside of the engine yet), completely bypassing the 300 altogether and going from 250 directly to 351, and now it feels like I'm in a whole other league for the cost of a piston, cylinder, a few stiffer clutch springs, and a power commander fuel controller to get the new AF ratio dialed in. While I'm a little apprehensive about what the upgrade is going to do to the reliability over the long term, I figure if I get just another few years out of it, then this bike will have more than served it's purpose, grew with me for 4 years and gave me my wrenching education before I move on to a mid sized adventure bike.
How is the big bore kit going?
@@compfeznetau Definitely has its pros and cons. Much more trail capable and I like having the extra passing power in traffic in the upper gears. Some of the downsides have been the decrease in fuel economy, the added stiffness of the cluth lever from the additional spring tension, and I also notice that I have to keep an eye on the coolant level. The bore of the new cylinder brings the combustion chamber just about right up against the water jackets, so there's no room for gasket material between the jackets and the chamber, so it's more prone to coolant leakage into the chamber if the head bolts are even a little bit too loose. Not sure I'll go the big bore kit route again after I'm done with this bike and move on from it. I'll do another season with it and then move on to a bigger bore bike.
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I just rode mine up a mountain and spent all day on technical rock trails. Had no issues at all with my klx250. Now had I have known they were making a 300 I wouldn’t of bought the 250 last year 😂.
Still feel the same way? I’m looking at the KLX300 now and even considering the 250 due to supply issues at the dealership.
First, it’s unlikely Kawi will release a KLX350 or 400 anytime soon. I’d guess 5+ years. There is simply no reason to right now. People will snatch up the 300 for years to come. A KLX400 would still be a lesser bike than an equivalent KTM and probably getting close to the same price. CRF450L anyone?
Second, I started with an older DR650 and later sold it for $1000. Then bought a CRF250L off the showroom floor for $5200. About 3 years later, I got $4500 for it without even trying. Sold the second day I had it listed. Went out and bought my new KLX300 which I plan to keep, probably for several years. The reliability of a new bike is invaluable. Even though I know how to fix bikes, the peace of mind knowing my bike is unlikely to grenade on the trail is so much worth the additional cost to buy.
So far I’ve only bought used. Partly because I’m cheap and mechanically inclined. I’m tempted by new bikes sometimes but I enjoy the hunt for a good deal and don’t want to worry about beating the bike up.
Very Solid points! This happened to me with the CRF250L and I regret buying mine because of the crf300L or even the rally. I am still making payments on mine and I should have never went with the new crf250. I could have just bought a used one. Glad you made this video, but I saw it a bit late :)
Just ride it till you find a cheap wrecked cbr300 or rebel 300 for like 600 bucks then engine swap. I think it's really 280 cc not much power increase at all. I bought the 250 mainly for gas mileage first otherwise I would have got something else larger
Stage 1 your CRF and you'll be more than satisfied, dont worry about reliability, it still will be reliable af
I was in between getting a new KLX 250 or KLX 300 and have now thanks to this video and reading the comments decided to get a new KLX 300! Something about used bikes sketch me out - there’s almost no way to know for certain if it has been in a previous crash etc and it’s worth spending the little extra $ for a new one. I am new to riding so hopefully this is a good choice.
Best advice "buying new will deprive you from mechanical knowledge". When I learned, I bought used, which taught me a lot about mechanics. And also, being only a 2k bike, I was not scared to dig in the machine. Now that I have a KTM new, I really dont want to tear it down because of cost if there was an issue.
Part of the problem is most bikes are moving from carbs to fuel injection so there's less need then the was before also learning to work on a used carb bike will be completely useless in a few years.
@@Noadvantage246 yes true, but its not the full picture. if you buy a used older bike efi or not, you will be touching a lot more parts vs the carb and you will have less fear messing with the bike if something goes wrong vs a new bike. if you work on a carb, you will have fundamental knowledge on air and fuel mixture, efi or not.
@@dirtrider0656 True but for me carbs aren't ideal anyways since I live in Colorado with extreme elevation changes plus weather swings. It can be 80 one day then 20 and light snow the next, so I'd rather have a computer handle the air/fuel mix. Also I prefer working on new bikes bc you know exactly how they're supposed to run and sound from the factory and I'm not scared to dive in just bc it's new.
@@Noadvantage246 you are right, but at the same time, carbs will always be available used and cheaper models like GPX. But what he was trying to get at is just overall mechanical knowledge you can obtain buying used
@@dougstand8828 Carbs aren't being phased out bc of price it's admission standards that's killed them. So personally I think it'd be better to go ahead and take the plunge and learn to work on fuel injected bikes since that's the new standard you'll likely be riding on. After all we don't teach ppl car mechanic skills on carb cars when we know that's not what they'll be dealing with.
Lastly I think buying used being a good option is a bit of a catch 22 for new riders. It's easy for experienced riders to look back and say "I should've done that" bc they're using the hindsight of their new knowledge and experience. If you're an actual new rider you don't even know what you're looking at when it comes to a bike, you have no idea how it's supposed to ride or sound let alone being able to notice issues. This goes double for used dirt bikes and DS imo, many ppl don't give these bikes the proper wear in period and go hard from mile 1. Also many ppl transport them up to trails, unload, and pin it to red the second they start it up giving absolutely no time for the engine the warm up, then don't keep up with maintenance, etc. An experienced rider would probably be able to tell the bike is off or had the shit kicked outta it but a beginner is pretty much playing a game of chance hoping they get something that wasn't beat like a stepchild. Buying new on the other hand, A isn't much more expensive rn anyways, B provides you certain guarantees, C let's you learn the bike from bone stock and slowly learn more about it as you mod it, service it, and fix the parts that you inevitably will break riding. And should you decide to buy used in the future you'll have a much better baseline of what to expect and what to look out for.
I probably wouldn't get hopes up for a displacement change on the klx or crf anytime soon. The move towards the 300cc wasn't brought on to us as a way to drive more sales and have the 250 people convert (albiet that's how its played off / marketed now). It was brought on due to the Euro 5 compliance, and that the 250's were essentially forced to meet the new standard over in Europe.
Would love to see kawasaki come out with competition for the Crf450L but have better service intervals and cheaper cost. But I'd love a klx350, would pick that up in a heart beat.
I need something more agile and light than my KLR, and it’s between the KLX250 and KLX300. I live in CO, too, and this video was helpful. Thanks! PS, still love my KLR.
Cool video. If you would have asked any experienced two-wheel rider, they would have told you exactly what you discovered the hard way. You quickly find out that the KLX250 is quickly outgrown. Yet, the KLX 250 and 300 are both beginner bikes and will have you wanting for less weight and power as you progress. For example, the Husqvarna FE350 in comparison to the KlX300 is a candle to the sun, all things considered. I'm not a big fan of KTM or Husky, I just know what they are and have ridden both. In the end, consider jumping up to the Honda 450X if you can find one that is plated. You can find them for about $5K used. Parts are cheap, maintenance is easy, and they weigh about 35lbs less than both of the KLX's. What you get is a tractor-like torque and a fire-breathing dragon when you crack the throttle. For the price of a used one, you get the best of both worlds without breaking the bank. Not to mention the suspension is amazing. I have mine set up for the desert and it will eclipse the 100mph mark on the flats. But it's a Cadillac over the whoops and bumps. Just my thoughts, check out the Honda 450X when you get a chance. 2005-2014 is a good range.
Hindsight is always 20/20. Who knew the 300 was around the corner at the time? I own a camo and am thinking about ejk + kdx snorkel mod to add a few ponies. Do you know about the difference between that mod vs a klx 300? Will the mod'ed klx 250 still lag far behind?
I think you have a valid point. It's best for new riders to buy a used dirt bike so they can figure out exactly what bike and terrain they really want to ride. I thought the DRZ400 was the perfect bike for me when I started but in the end I sold it because it wasn't good for the riding I really wanted to do.
what bike did you end up going for and why wasn't the drz400 good for your riding?
@@shoakimoto2517 I ended up getting a KTM 350 exc-f. It has more performance and is much lighter so it's easy to ride and pick up when I drop it. Also you don't have to worry about it flooding the carb every time you crash like you do with the carburetor on the DRZ. I still think the DRZ400 is a great bike but more for regular dual sporting. The KTM is much better for technical enduro type riding.
I got a 2019 klx250 I put a full fmf exhaust system and got a custom tune on it with the dyno jet power commander tuner. Completely different bike, my dyno wheel power sheet says at around 8200 rpm it’s making like 26 hp that’s even more then the 300 that’s awesome.
I have the new KLX-300 in Camo and love it. If I already had a KLX-250 with some choice mods I would NOT have "upgraded" to the 300. Instead I would wait a year or two and see what Yamaha and to be fair, Kawasaki and Honda, come up with around 2022/23. That said if you never had a nice dual sport, and a wanting to buy, then look no further the 2021 Kawasaki KLX-300 has zero bad manners, is fun, easy, comfortable, handles like a dream, built like a tank, etc. :)
Are you not scared of cars not noticing your camo grey colors? I am thinking of buying a lime green for that reason but the camo is nice
Thanks for this, I’ve been looking for these at my local shop. Nothing in stock for me to actually sit on at the moment.
@@johnnypinkleton9410
I’ve owned mine for a while and I have not experienced any problems. Just wear a bright jacket and ride with the assumption that they don’t see you, and you can avoid most problems before they arise.
this video helped a lot, i’m not worried about mechanical knowledge so maybe ill pick up a nice used klx
How come your Speedo is broken?
Also, I agree with your assessment in the video, the KLX 250 definitely does NOT suck.
The best thing for the KLX 250 is to install a 52 tooth sprocket on the rear. The original 42 tooth is ok for street riding but makes the bike gutless off road. I have posted videos of my rides in the San Juan Mtns in Colorado and The Hatfield Mccoy trails in West Virginia. On both rides the 52 was my sprocket of choice. I rode several 13,000 ' mtn passes. The 250 had no problems no matter how steep the trails were.
I can't remember my tooth count but you are definitely on point it turns into a small little weapon and if you change the stock exhaust it's even better! "Like all bikes sold with so called laws"
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With 40 years of motocross behind me, I opted for a new KLX300. Simply "good" at everything bike that won't break the bank.
I'm leaving it stock. I see so many people trying to grab 2 xtra hp by spending thousands......Just buy a better bike in the first place.
Yep that's what makes the KLX so darn appealing. In stock form, it simply works. I love the quiet stainless steel exhaust too though no one mentions it as a huge plus. Only "mod" I did is use my old hack saw to chop off the rear fender just below the plate. Cost me nothing and looks better imo. My first bike was a new 1979 Honda XR500R with its saggy useless rear suspension. I had to swap that out plus the garbage clunky heavy stock exhaust system. None of that non sense with this new KLX. Just buy and ride.
Suzuki did it 21 years ago with the DRZ 400 they didn't torture us and they still sell the same exactly bike with the perfect size!!keep on riding!!!!
Dude, totally agreed...DRZ has tractor like torque and very low maintenance...Bought mine new left over for 5 grand...I love the hell out of my DRZ...
i much prefer the modern feeling and smoothness of the newer dualsports and that is why I bought mine, but regret it now. But I was looking at the drz400 but was timid of the power. think this video was pointed to new riders who most likely wont flock to a drz400 for a first bike. I probably should have waited for like a dr350 or something.
@@ihateveggies1976 Dude, don't be timid of the power..The DRZ is very easily handled but has that low end grunt when you need it....
@@imyourhuckleberry357 Oh not anymore. But a bit too late. I want a 2 stroke now since I am more inclined to trails mostly. but for sure used this time till I for sure know the kind of rider I am. but I had 0 experience on a bike im pretty sure the drz400 would have killed me then LOL!
Suzuki tortures us by still making the same bike as they did 21 years ago.
I love my KLX 300 R... I bought my kids KLX 140's and they seem to enjoy them. I got their bike used and I got mine new. I did not want to have to work on mine so I got it new... the kids I got used and so far I've not had to do any thing to them major... KLX are good bikes...
I have no regret buying my 2018 KLX250. It does everything that its suppose to do. And now that it has a stage 1 mods its even better. Probably on par with the new KLX300. Now I'm looking for something a little more dirt worthy . I like the idea of getting a KLX300R and putting a street legal kit on it. I think that would be a good trail bike.
I would say go for the KLX300R! if a crf300 or crf450L dont become available soon, I might just go for the KLX300R
Had the same '18 and it was my favorite bike but sold it. Looking at all these 300's and its only 3 hp more than the 250, and engine isnt blacked like the 250. Telling myself to just buy a crf450RL so i dont have to put a ton of aftermarket on it, but seeing used '18 klx250's for sale for $4k is very tempting. I was a complete noob when i had the klx, knowing what i know now i should have went 13/45 on sprockets vs 13/42. Real knobbies instead of ADV tires. And get the suspension sprung for my weight. Without all that I was still doing insane steep rocks with the bike LOL
The insurance in Canada for a bike larger than 250cc is about 1/3 more. It's your money so if you want to save about, $500 a year on insurance,, stay with the 2022 KLzx ,250. For sure order the ABS brake option ( $300 more ) as it will save you from doing a header over the handlebars in an emergency stopping situation. Trust me, been there LOL
Checking into an older carbed 250 with some decent mileage. This would sit in between a TE250 and T7. Figure I could bump up to 351 later or like you mention, pass it on with little or no loss.
I did the air box mod. Changed gearing, and exhaust. For a 250 it rips. Run 80 mph pretty easy and pulls wheelies no problem in first gear. I'll put a big bore one it before I sell it and start over upgrading a new bike.
Would you recommend a 07 klx250s carbed version? What gearing did you put on it and how were the rpms at 80mph?
@@natesv04 that a good bike. I'm down 1 in the front. It turns around 7500 at 70 I believe. I don't run it on the highway tho. Does great at 60mph all day.
I am a beginner rider and I bout a 2003 XR 250r and it has been bomb proof. Not one single issue and my friends with a klx 300 is not out performing me. His only advantage is the electric start. I am upgrading to either the DRX 400 or XR 400 next. I was going to buy a klx 300, but I am glad I did not. I am so happy with my entry into this endeavor.
I have a 2018 klr and am looking into the 300 for more single track action that gets very hairy on the klr
I agree that buying a used first bike is best option because bikes are really a personal preference, I rode and bought many bikes, to me the 400s are way to big and powerful for my riding style, the yz250fx is to stiff, tall to much untamed power band, the dual sport 250 where perfect easy to ride smooth, comfortable, the only
Faults needed a little more power, like 300cc and a little less weight
I sold my KLX250 and got a nice husqvarna 350 Dual Sport. Such a night and day difference except the KLX was less twitchy at highway speeds
I bought a KLX new in 09 , fantastic bike , tires, battery , basic maintenance, great bike , goes anywhere my KTMxc went , now mostly light riding on it
I have a klr 650 and KTM 400exc and bought my son a klx 250. Although my bikes have more CC's I still have fun on my son's klx. It's light and nimble with a pipe and intake gives it's a little more throttle response, fuel injection makes it so easy to start and go plus I think you can get 400 miles out of a tank! The thing just sips fuel even when you're sending it.
Hey bro I have an xr650l but I have been considering one of these for something a little smaller… My biggest worry is if it’s to small for me… I am 6’4” 240…. What are your thoughts?
without a doubt, the KLX and CRF feels more nimble than the xr650, but like you said, power with our weight. if road usage and open roads are your thing, the xr650 will be a better machine. if you want a lighter bike for the harsher stuff but want power, I would honestly cough up the money for the KTM or husqvarna dualsports. you will be glad you did. regardless, you will be doing the same maintenance on the klx or crf vs the KTM IF you do rid eit on the harsher stuff since you will mostly be in 1st 2nd gear in the revs
@@RWWRENTAL I love my xr… I ride 50/50 ride and off-road
Haven't watched video ,did some of my best trials type riding the trails on a KLX 250 . As I got older I wanted to get as light as possible ! PS the 2021 KLX 300 is not available in UK !
You can still get the 300 kit from kawi. Frankly, a good quality stage one brings the 250 damn close to the stock 300. The new bike isn't THAT different, which is to say, they're both great starting platforms that can be inexpensively upgraded. Keep doing the thing. We're still watching, Will.
im waiting to see if they make a big bore kit for the KLX300 or CRF300. If they do, I would think it would be a 400 or 450 BB kit, which would be nice! but still everything is sold out/reserved, so I still have to wait ha ha. the only advantage the KLX300 has over the 250 is the cams.
Kawasaki has sold the 300 heads and piston for years, (the 250 started out as a dirt only 300 in the early 90's, so they already made the parts,) and there are a few other companies who make big bore kits. The biggest I've seen state side are the 331 and 351 kits although I seem to remember one of the big name enduro racers custom making a 400+ stroker to race 20+ years ago. If you want to go on the cheap, you can change your cam timing for free. The Marcelino cam mod has been well documented and is best suited for the 250 rider who mostly off-roads. It doesn't increase the power, per say. It just shifts the torque and power curve down lower in the rpms to give it better trail grunt. You have a lot of options, Will. Check with the guys in the forums. Opinions vary, but the nice thing about the klx250 or 300 is that the basic bike has been around forever and plenty of people and companies have figured out what can be done to keep it "interesting." See you later.
@@RWWRENTAL if you want a 450 why not get a 450L? You should be able to find a used one.
@@doobielawson702 I honestly never find good deals on Dual Sports used its hard to find a 4-5 year old dualsport thats worth getting used when you can pay a couple more hundred our a grand more and just buy new I never see good deals on used ones in Florida... The ones I do see are 20 years old and they are still asking around three grand for them its almost worthless buying used...
Just change a sprocket like everyone else.... I lowered the gearing a smidge with a smaller front sprocket and let it breath better with a KDX air box. Now my KLX250 is fine off road, in fact it's a tank.
I always buy used motorcycles and vehicles partly for that reason. The value goes down almost by the time you get it home. But l can also see how buying new and taking on a payment could be the way to go for some. At least you know what you got. There is always a risk buying used and if something goes south your stuck. There is definitely a learning curve to shopping on craigslist 😂. Mostly I've been happy but definitely had a few lemons over the years.
Yea but these dirt bike/ dual sports don’t go down. Shit used klx250 still going for 4-5k years old. Same with drz. 2018 going for 6-7k. Might as well just buy new.
Just picked up a mint camo 2018 250. Only 800 miles for 4200$.
I've had 1996 "no that's not a typo" KLX250, 1997 KLX300, and 1997 KLX650, I had before that a TS 185 yamaha and a 50cc scooter, and a Suzzie GN 250 =) I enjoyed your video and found it by accident. I did really enjoy that you wanted to get on 2 wheels to see around the places and get the most out of it. Think I've had 15 -16 bikes now & I'm no spring chicken! One big thing newer people forget is the gearing on bikes - Just changing your sprockets will completely change your bike. My KLX 250 was a wheelie machine, We all used to go out and wheelie everywhere even to the corner store =) The KLX 300 was so much nicer and better for EVERYTHING! The KLX 650 was just stupid power "Same as a XR 650 etc" And to be Honest it's better off to start smaller and build up as you build your skills especially if your a new rider! When we were young dumb and full of cu! we used to watch crusty demons on VHS we all went out and to be honest I don't know how we are still alive. But the fun I've had with a KLR -650 riding from Queensland to Victoria in Australia "4 times" - about 2200km - might be The Pig of all bikes but so much fun! Right now I'm on a Ninja 250 because it gets me around town and if I brought anything else I would not have a licence......I've had a ZXR 600, Second hand CBR650, Honda Shadow 650. In the older days it was throw someone one any bike and try to teach them, Catch with a bike is - "It's your own life" So live to Enjoy it, Stay Upright. I did really enjoy your video and I'm Subscribing just because I'm sure you will do well........Just remember everyone or everything else is out to kill you ✌😎. And having a bike is like having a wife or GF, You gotta look after it or it might breakdown and then that's no fun =P
The thing he doesn't mention is that KLX250 has water cooling instead of air cooled like some other brands and the smaller 230cc model, you don't want an air cooling machine when the temps get above 75 F or 6 degrees C, unless you want to sing the famous Christmas song- "Chestnuts Roasting Over An Open Fire"
Nothing wrong with air cooled bikes.. my air cooled xr250 is a way better bike than my klx250 and it's 30 years older
For the record, anything in the $5600 range is about $7k+ out the door with tax and bs dealer fees. Its always been that way, but seems worse now with the supply being slower and demand being high they won't move on price much, anymore.
it can possibly be they know who I am, but the KLX250 I got was around 5500 + tax out the door. they took all the other fees out for me. my stroke, they shed 2k from its OTD price, but I am also a good negotiator and patient.
@@RWWRENTAL you also didn't buy it post 2020... That's what he means by slowed supply and increased demand
@@dangerdanadv1445 ah yes true didnt think of the whole covid thing, which ive been trying to buy here locally and everything has been sold out or on a wait list
@@RWWRENTAL yeah dealers are not budging at all right now because they know they've got more buyers lined up. It's pretty lame.
I just priced a new klx300 $8650 otd after the bs fees
If you go around comparing your bike with everything out there, you're going to be disappointed. I have a 2019 KLX250 camo version. It does everything I want it to do. I didn't buy it to be the dirt king. I bought it because it does street and reasonable off road perfectly fine. Did I wish I had waited until they came out with the 300 version? Well, sure, but I would still not be riding because they are damn hard to find!
Lol. This was and is a fact. Still people waiting on them. I bought a 2020 a year b4 the 300 released. I'm not mad. Big bore kits are cheap enough. Lol, and I havnt felt rushed to do it, just keep it pinned, it'll get it done
I rode up big bear mountain on the trail side no problem I miss this bike. Unfortunately totaled it.
My 250 is now a 300 r.w cams oem piston and cyl. With ejk , 300 cc ten hole injector and a super trapp and fmf header. Its now better than. A 22 yr model.and very fast.
To be honest I'm highly considering an older 07/06 klx 250. Its lighter than the newer models, has a taller 6th gear. Throw a big bore on that sucker and you have the best balance of HP and weight out of a 4 stroke you can get without going with overpriced ktm/husq brands.
You Gave no reasonable reason for not buying klx250. Basically you have buyers remorse
I don't think a KLX 350 will come out. Too close to a DRZ400, but still smaller. The next most logical step is two KLX's, the current 300 and a new 450, but that would compete directly with the CRF450L, and that is not a large market. Most people that want that kind of performance also want to lose the lights and any weight they can, upgrade the suspension, dirt tires, etc.
The main problem besides competition of punching out the KLX much further is that the market for these bikes is new/casual riders. That is their bread and butter. If they punch it out too far, the cost will go up, interest will go down, and the XT250 or the Hawk/KPX will end up eating their base market. A manufacturer always has to be thinking in terms of how many units they can sell at a given price point. And retooling for an all new engine/transmission is expensive. I don't think Kawasaki would have even gone to 300 cc's if they weren't in a death battle with the CRF-L and it was relatively easy to do, just a new top end basically. But there is a limit to how far they can go before the whole engine has to be redesigned, and maybe the frame too. And that would mean they would be into CFR450L type pricing, which would absolutely kill their market share.
Used CRF250l and KLX250 sell for the same price as new around me. Dual sports in general have been like this for the last year or so, and probably won’t change until covid is a distant memory.
From watching all the videos it seems the klx300 isn’t much of an upgrade? The top speed is still the same which is one of the fundamental complaints from 250 owners. Not bashing, just suggesting no reason to upgrade.
Stock KLX300 dyno 23.4 hp at 8,140 rpm Stock KLX250 dyno 18.1 hp @8,500rpm. Out of the box you are getting a 6mm increase in bore, 20lbs lighter bike, and I can tell you from owning one that once you uncork this bad boy... it freaking RIPS. I get over 100mph on my KLX300 easy and it gets there pretty quick too. Wheelies in 3rd gear and lots of down low power. Uncorking these things really opens them up.. They also make a 351 big bore for the klx300. I am going to be installing one very soon!
@@jakedomoto6802 sounds promising. Which mods specifically?
Isn't the KLX250 fuel injected ?
Buying used bikes also is a problem. This Suzuki drz 400e was a great deal at first. I bought it for $600,00, and decided to get a Suzuki drz 400 s frame. I switched it over to make it street legal, and it ran great for awhile then after sitting, it doesn't run correctly. Even taking it to a mechanic, he cannot figure out the problem.
Why buy used if the resale value is the same as the sicker price?
How does the klx 250 go on the highways? 100km/60mph limits here. It's about a 40 min ride to dirt tracks for me
KLX 250 loves 60 mph. Surprisingly good on the road. Stock knobbies flex so slow it down in the tight corners.
its perfect for that. I ride 40 minutes on freeways to get to dirt and it cruises smoothly at 70mph.
I bought a klx250 to replace a crf250x and it was an instant regret so i gave it to my gf and she loves it. BUT when you ride bikes that have way more power you lose reliability and i dont want to waste a trip because im scared my bike will break. So im basically thinking about getting another klx for me and sell the crf250x
Bought my Klx250 used loaded with upgrades for half of what it would have cost me to buy new . You just should have asked Will I would have told you to shop the used market . After seeing reviews of the 300 I’m in no hurry to let the 250 go . It’s just not enough of an upgrade . I can pop a big bore kit on my 250 if I wanted and that would be a better use of funds than buying a new bike and eating the depreciation.
Or buy a klx351 like the one I traded in for my crf450l. Would have liked to have the space in my garage for both but I guess that's silly as the crf450l is so much more of everything and does everything better!
Actually a smaller cc dual sport I would be more inclined to either buy brand new or used only with say extremely low mileage unless I knew the bikes previous owner and their riding habits.
Why?
Because entirely too many people buy a small dual sport and try to use it for something it is not really designed for, and that is run it on interstate/4lane highways at extended high speeds with the motor wrung out wide open for long extended periods trying to use the bike more like a 600cc or larger adventure bike which these smaller dual sport bikes are not designed to be. Or the opposite trying to ride the bike like a full on MX bike again which its stock components are just not designed for that type of abuse or stresses.
Actually any very small cc motor whether on road or off road will see more time at its performance limits than a larger cc bike that outputs more power. Small dual sport bikes really truly satisfy a very small market, many either want better highway performance which requires a bigger more powerful motor at the expense of added weight or others want a better dirt experience where the dual sport weight and suspension wise is considered to be a pig off road lacking a capable suspension.
In my opinion the 300cc dual sport is ideal when the bike will be used in a 55mph or less on road environment and its off road use will not contain a lot of more extreme single track but used more in a dual track type of environment where its extra weight and limited suspension will still work well.
The ideal small dual sport to buy is the one the guy bought trying to get his wife/girlfriend into riding with him and she rode it a few times, decided it really was not her thing and it has sat being unused in the garage for the last year or so and really does not want to fool with a bunch of tire kickers and just want to move it and offers it up at a really fair sell it this weekend price point!
That bike is made for 80% street, you could made some mods for enduro but you didnt. The bike doesnt sucks for what was builded.
I do not understand the downvotes? Trolls maybe? He is just sharing his experiences and advice and I have to agree. I did it myself. I bought the crf250L new and I regret it because the crf300 just came out, but also my riding changed. I should have just bought used, even if it was another model. But I also 100% agree buying used will teach you mechanical knowledge since things will most likely break sooner. and the best part is you can sell it for what you paid for. he speaks truth.
I believe RWW has some trolls...or they do not comprehend what he is trying to get at. pretty simple and many can relate including myself.... He bought new, he regretted it since the KLX300 or possibly something else came out and also lack of mechanical skills he could have had if he bought used. I agree with everything he said. I bought a new ktm 2 stroke 250, and now I want a 300. very simple logic that many of us fail to use for some reason ha ha.
@@dougstand8828 I believe he does. I am a big fan of rww and follow as soon as a video comes out and almost notice right away someone down votes like instantly. trolls no matter where you go
A used dirt bike is the best for beginners to learn how to handle extreme situations without thinking too much about damage. And the screwing around gives basic mechanical knowledge
Hey! Quick question. I currently have a 2003 KLX400 (drz 400s) and I got an offer to trade for a 2009 KLX250s. Miles are the same basically. Should I keep my 03 KLX 400 or trade for the 09 KLX 250. What are your thoughts?
I'm getting the klx 300 should have it in a week .it's still in crate at the moment.
Nice man! You’ll have a great time out there.
Did you get it? How you liking it?
@@vicmason25 I decided against it got a kawasaki z400 instead !
Well everyone should know the skill and limits they have basically it’s your flaw not buying the bike to match your riding
Gosh dang if Yamaha or Suzuki were to release a 350+cc EFI dual sport that would be the new most popular dual sport and adventure bike overnight.
(Honda's 450 motorcross with mirrors thing doesn't count)
That is what I am waiting for essentially lol I am hoping that is what they do. Sure there are KTM 350 - 500 or even the drz400 but after riding the drz400 vs the KLX250, the klx250 just felt way better offroading on the more gnarlier stuff. cant imagine with a klx 350 how good that will be
So my dealer still has a Wr250r new in stock. Would you buy it over the Klx300? The Wr is 6700.00$
The wr250r has better suspensions but from what I recall, they both about the same power. the issue would be you buy that WR250R for $7k after taxes there is a chance after 1 or 2 years, you are going to want more power. or something else. You might not think so now, but its usually the case. If I were you, I would either buy a KLX250 used, hold on to it for a year or 2, sell it for what you paid for, then look for a used wr250R or KLX300 if you are happy with the power. Your wallet will thank you lol.
You buy the KLX300 now, guarantee you 3 years from now, someone is going to make a 350 dualsport and you will be glad you waited.
If you are new, trust me, buy used. You will need to "find yourself" first to figure out what kind of riding you do. You will spend a lot less money. Once you are a well experienced rider, then go out and buy that new KTM 300 if you want since you already know the kind of riding you will do.
@@RWWRENTAL Riding a Klr now, too heavy! Lol.
Yeeeeeeeeessssss
The wr250r new are to pricey buy used, I bought a ok used wr250r for $3500 with 2500mi before the covid 19, I have both the wr250 and wr290 big bore and the 290 is so much more torque, I have a race bike yzfx but that just beats me up, you can ride the wr all day long in comfort with confidence
I always buy knew if I can't swing it at the time I wait till I can get the 501fe husky or 350 KTM or even the 500 then you're set for ever just my opinion or 450 Honda you've got the bug
The KLX250 is the new KLR250. Same useful versatility on everything except the highway and the super hard enduro. Awesome bike!
It's a great bike. I don't even care that they have a 300 now. The 250 does everything just fine already. It's funny how guys are these days, thinking they need the most powerful thing around, because back in the '80's, I had a 1984 Suzuki DR125 that I bought new, and used it constantly for riding the nastiest, steepest trails I could find in Colorado, and it did great and never broke. I rode that bike for 18 years and it was still running. So yeah, I think the KLX250 is awesome and capable of just about anything.
.... I deeply regret buying my 2023 Honda XR150L ....
Wow, I've never heard of anyone complaining about a bike being too reliable. Believe me it's funner to be riding your bike than trying to fix it constantly.
I turned my 07 klx250s into a 300 (292cc) for less than $300.
I couldn't belive you didn't like the KLX 250 because of it's reliability lol alot of the reason I bought one is because it's been called the tank of the trail bike's
I love the KLX250 but im horrible at explaining things. I was just trying to express i regret getting a new klx250 and should have gotten a used one instead. I wish I had more mechanical knowledge if something were to break on my bike. Sadly I grew up really poor so we really didnt have cars and stuff to work on. we took the bus or walked
@@RWWRENTAL
I understand that I bought a used one like new still learning how to do different work on it I do a lot of research and utube is very handy
I have been riding and racing since 1973 and I disagree with you. As a new rider a Kawasaki KLX250 is an excellent bike. I own a KLX250 and I use it for daily transportation. The Kawasaki 250's do everything well, street and trail. With a brand new bike you never had to worry about breaking down and that means that you were able to ride instead of busting out a shop manual and trying to figure out what was wrong and fixing it. I used to be a Honda/Yamaha mechanic and I will tell you right now, the average adventure ride has no clue how to rebuild their engine, so having a brand new bike with a warranty to a new rider is a God send. Do you really think 50cc is going to make that much of a difference as a non-racing bike? That 50cc's might get you 2-3 hp max, not a huge difference when you are talking about 27-30hp, about 1%. If you want power, look towards the Honda XR650L, they have been making them since 1992. They are air cooled and come stock with 40hp, if you go with the XR650R you get bumped up to 61hp. They usually go for under $5K or you can pick up a brand new XR650L for $7K.
Is the 300 taller than the 250? By how much?
Just search it up
Got a quote for a new klx 300 for $8,200 out the door, fucking crazy i can get low miles used klx250 2018 or 19 for like 4-5k thats why i have to go used.
I just bought a 2019 with 1k mikes looks brand new for 3500
Im still waiting for my klx300 to arrive at the dealer, ordered it back in November
Same here. Still two to three weeks out. AND...I'm not sure whether I'm getting the green, like I ordered, or the camo. I'm pissed about the whole situation. It's not the dealer's fault.
KLX300 1/2 INCH higher seat and 2 pounds lighter
I have no idea why someone would buy a 250 if the same company puts out a 300. What is Kawasaki thinking?
Kawasaki discontinued the KLX 250 and replaced it with the KLX 300. You can’t buy the KLX 250 new anymore. That same year, they came out with the KLX 230 as a smaller and cheaper alternative… You can only find the KLX 250 as a used bike.
Klx250 ceased production in 2019. Only klx300 after that. So there wasn't a choice before that.
Is that honda xr 250?
No it’s a klx
Here why I think it is getting down voted. 5:14 and 7:09 i.e. you are just ssying buy used to save money and have broken srltuff to make you learn to fix from the beginning? I don't see how that specifically relates to the KLX250S or any other bike. Also, most people think a bike that isn't broken or doesn't tend to break is a good thing.
The KLX300 has less suspension, 1.4".
No, it doesn't.
You have to do what you can afford.
100% agree buddy! at the end of the day any 2 wheels will do! as long as we are out there riding!
5500… dude should of bought something a few years older like a wr or exc for example that will trump this bike
New klx300 owner here. Haven't even broken her in yet!
I sold my new KLX300 after 1 month! Not the greatest bike and not enough power!! Great for a complete beginner!! Get a 400 or a 650 and don't look back!
400 or 650 not enough. You need a 900, 1000, 1200. See where I'm going with this. That's how we ended up with whale-sized "adventure" bikes, Small bikes have their place. They are fun.
Man, that's why I have a deposit on a new 2022 KLR650 more power than a 250 or 300 !
@@markcollins5026 lol klr650 is no good at all on dirt trails
KLX300 will never get rid of it just add to it
Klx 250 does not suck
Did you change the gearing? Dual sports are not geared for techy single track. And, anyone who understands basic physics know that quads are way more dangerous than bikes. MY2C
quads are 100% more dangerous than bikes. in my rental company Ive already had 10+ people get seriously hurt in quads/UTV and 1 person in dirt bike get hurt. as far as dual sports, the KLX250/300 handles technical trails just fine. in other words I am surprised how well this machine does in technical single track. my only complaint is I wish it had more power in our elevation...remember I am in Colorado so it robs power. If I lived in a flat land state, KLX300 all day. Its the only bike you need!
Dude you’re blaming an awful lot on this bike. Slow down and look inward.
So let me get this straight..... U bought the 250 because your inexperienced. U don't like it because it's reliable. U made a poor decision buying brand new because it depreciates value off the lot (is this the first vehicle u have ever bought!?) And.... And ..... And here's why...... And..... And get to the point (which is how the first 5 minutes of this went) and and and then u want to keep the bike because it's so smooth and works so well. I'll tell u what I want ..... I want my 7 minutes back. Great video though keep it up!
lol pretty much. I know this video is kinda...odd... If I remember right, I made this video when I was sick, so didnt think clearly....although I can not give you your 7 mins back in life, as I would do anything to get time back in my life... Anyhow it was my first dirt bike I ever bought..yep new! Thing is, I had no one to teach me or anything. Just one day im like screw it I wanna buy a bike LOL! and forced myself to learn
I was just trying to give my perspective about buying new old..maybe old of course is the better outcome for different reasons. but I am not very good at explaining things.
Essentially I should have just gotten a used xr200 or 250 or something. Learn to wrench on the bike as well..part of the territory. Been a few times I was stranded and needed folks help due to lack of mechanical skills at the time. Also bought the KLX250 new...and of course the KLX300 came out ha So possibly would have had the KLX300 instead of the 250! I know its kinda dumb video, too much crammed in here possibly..but maybe some kind of insight for new riders starting out. Ehh something a little different i guess
@@RWWRENTAL hey buddy it's all good, I just breakin' your bawls a bit. Keep making the videos and safe riding!
Clickbait: Over 7 minutes to say he figured out that used, late model bikes are a better value than buying new. Also, the video is misleading, as the engine parts he's showing are a piston and exhaust from a 2 stroke, while the KLX is a four stroke. Don't waste your time--check out videos by Fort Nine, MotoJistu, Cross-Training Enduro (Australian) etc.... This guy is tedious and playing with you.
CRF to klx..highway..klx to CRF...wrong way
Klx 250 or 300.... nothing else matters
I don’t get the point of this video… Don’t buy a bike new?
I am really bad at explaining lol. This was an old video, back when I started youtube for fun. But I regretted buying the KLX250 new essentially since I was a new rider at the time for bikes. I was better off buying a used klx250 then branching off from there. Maybe a used XR250 or something. You would save a lot of money as well in the long run since after you get experience, your riding needs and wants changes; meaning you most likely will buy another bike. New bike also deprived me of mechnical knowledge since they are reliable. sure it is a good thing, but if I bought a beater, it would force me to learn on how to work on machines. There was a time I broke down in the middle of the mountains and I had no idea what to do since I had no knowledge of working on machines. Being a dirt bike/dual sport rider usually means you will be your own mechanic and you have to know how to work on them, its part of ownership. But yeah that was what the video was about essentially, I just have a hard time explaining my thoughts lol!
@@RWWRENTAL Okay that makes more sense to me. I’m looking to buy a used KLX250 and couldn’t figure out if you liked yours or not! But definitely, I’m not in need of a brand new bike starting out and I don’t want to eat that depreciating cost
Sell it to me!
So you ‘Hate your KLX 250’ because it’s not junk so you don’t have to play mechanic on it, which by the way, sounds like at the time of the video, is was dang near a free bike it kept its resale so well.... Oooookay...🙄
Pro tip, get into Snowmobiling, you’ll lose literally thousands a year, and no doubt that pile of crap will make you a mechanic (and great friends with your banks loan officer) you’ll love it! Right up you alley.
You’re welcome.
You are making a lot of opinions on why bike manufacturers produce certain bike models. Do you have any facts to base these opinions on? You've met with the CEOs of Honda and Kawa? You've only owned one bike and now you're the expert? LOL Grow up a little an stop listening to your internet forum buddy's.