The #1 Key to Music Success (Information ≠ Better Player)
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- čas přidán 29. 07. 2024
- Can you "Information your way" to becoming a better player?
Adam and Peter talk about the long road of practicing your craft, and how that incrementally sculpts your voice as an artist.
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0:00 Duo piano musical prelude
1:44 Intro
5:41 Guardrails = Freedom
6:49 Information ≠ Better Player
15:25 The Art of Life
33:40 The How
38:32 Simple soloing practice
43:19 Chromatic scale demo
44:51 Jerry Lou Louis?? - Hudba
“Good judgement comes from experience, experience comes from bad judgement”.
Noice
Both of you guys make this world a better place,thanks for the Music!
Wow, What Truth 😊
Well said, and very kind😊
Man, that intro was gorgeous.
A few of your shorts popped up on my youtube feed and im so glad i clicked on your channel. This podcast is phenomenal.
This is what I do with everything!!! Get the book, buy the course, or gear or whatever with whichever habit I engage with...... someone once said to me "you can think your way out of a feeling problem." This hit hard in a great way. Get to work and let the other stuff go; has to feel good and be just hard enough to continue to improve. Thank you for putting this stuff in words. I also think the confidence piece is huuuuuge have the confidence to fail and be secure enough in your insecurities to work on weaknesses but also identify and lean into strengths. Thank you both.
Love the long format. More time to let the incredible experience and insight to breathe between Adam and Peter. A bad song is always too long and a good song is never long enough!
This was such an incredibly inspiring episode! Thank you!
Are you guys basically stopping "You'll hear it"? And just bringing it all to Open Studio?
Btw I've gotta say that your guys' podcast really makes me smile and laugh, you both are fun to listen to and remind me to enjoy the music and the reason I started playing.
Thanks 🙏
I'm only half way through the episode typing this so sorry if it's already covered, but my thoughts on this topic are that we live in an age of information overload. The OG jazz greats had like 10 musicians out in the real world they could learn from. They also had not many distractions. They could just be in the shed all day at least for some part of their life (yes I know I'm oversimplifying). Today, people are hyper-stimulated, AND it's actually very fun and satisfying to just passively gain information, to listen to a podcast or a ted talk or a whatever, and to just feel a sense of accomplishment (and also relaxation) from doing that. For most people, that's the end of the road. We're more disconnected than ever from the idea of just putting in the hard work. I am as guilty of this as everybody else.
So anyway it's good to remind people of this from time to time that after the information you actually need to do *the thing* and put in the work or whatever, and that there's no silver bullet out there, no shortcuts.
Happy birthday, Mr. Producer Caleb.
speaks to me... will keep putting in the time at the keyboard. thanks for the motivation!
Really great podcast episode today, guys ... thank you!
I love your guys banter. Its so what I wish I was conversating about all the time besides my creator. ✝️ Thank you guys again... Thank you for the free Gold content
That was a super satisfying conversation to quietly practice to. All the right signals hitting.
1 hour of some of the most useful drivel ! You guys are so damn inspiring to listen to.
amazing convo!
Love this episode, so much good here - play what you want to play, know what choices you're making. Speaking from the inverse, zero theory knowledge but half a lifetime of self-taught improvisation; the only reason I continue is because I play the things that excite me, and theory was never really exciting. As time passed and I played with more groups, moved to a music-centric location, I saw the strength and weakness of my choices in approach - I could light up on my own all day, but quick transposition into a group was something the theory-wise really excelled at. So, as with the part you might choose to play, there are strong choices and weak choices...and strong or weak elements to each choice; if strong and weak aren't good descriptors then maybe limiting or expanding are better. Make choices that expand you, and identify the limiting choices so you can maximize your joy!
I love this conversation 👍🏽
I love the long form episodes! I listen on the podcast app to every episode and have an 1 hour long commute, so more YHI is great!
Adam!
Peter!
Peter and Adam!!
Damn good video. Very eye opening to me with regards to how I'm thinking about who I am and where I am in my journey and that.... its OK! Growth is the goal ...not being a warehouse of info. I do have books everywhere and ....covered in dust and it taunts me when I considered how much I haven't grown.
This video helped alot with seeing the bigger picture.
Thank you!!!
Music is like life where you get what you put into it, and its has so freakin much to teach because it has such deep roots with humanity
Happy birthday producer Caleb! Amazing episode.
i love you guys!!!❤
Love it!
Long form is great, signing up for the trial
Almost missed this because it’s not on the YHI channel! Thanks for the great content. Look forward to watching every episode
Thank you!
Such a great video
I've played all my life I'm still learning new things from you guys
Yes, I dig the long form!
Here's my two cents worth- or two pence worth anyway, since I'm British: I like the long form of these recent shows. You really get into some valuable thoughts on your approaches to practicing that possibly might not come out if you did a tighter, more strictly planned type of show. I like the links to meditation too. Good stuff, lads, hope you keep’em ‘coming’.
One example of kind of thing I mean that's valuable and useful to know, is when Peter demonstrates practising a slow G blues, and he says something like, 'I don't even play that, but I hear it,' and then sings the baseline that he was hearing. I think a lot of good stuff is coming out of these longer session coz you're talking freely and going off on tangents sometimes. Maybe sometimes the tangents are where it's at!
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Thank you
Gala. Surprised to see the episode on the main channel, hopefully more people will sub to you'll hear it!
One of your best videos although I know that not all will see it my way or your way because the information you convey here is as subtle as it is important.
Best video on CZcams
I'm pretty sure Mingus never shot his piano player, but he did fire a gun into the ceiling on film. And he punched Jimmy Knepper, messing up Knepper's embouchure. And allegedly he sent heroin to Knepper's home to try to get Knepper in trouble. Jazz beefs are weird.
mingus was weird i think is the takeaway here
Outstanding episode. Extra loose, too, which is definitely right for the topics. Also there were a few moments when I laughed so suddenly, the folks in the next room hushed for a second🤣.
When I let go of the results is when I thank the inventors of headphones, because they gave me the freedom, even when my skills said "no", to be confident enough to let go of the results, which sometimes feels like the only way I can play something worth listening to. I'm not embarrassed when shredz worthy stuff comes out, so much as my garbage to goodness ratio is hefty, and I don't expect nonconsensual listeners to have the same level of patience as I do, with that. Even something like practicing 4ths over and over, to get them under my fingers... if I'm always worried about disturbing someone, then that's going to develop into timid playing, and that's not going to help someone find their voice. It's a fine starting point, but not the quickest route to express yourself. So... if you're not in a very supportive environment, and have a digital piano, you can use that for letting go of the results.
Then, after headphones, you'll also need to acquire patience concerning your own laughably bad playing, and predominantly boring playing. And don't get attached to anything great sounding until later when you listen back. Since you're doing this on a digital piano, record everything - at least for me, that helps me keep a clear mind and move on... since it's recording, I no longer worry about remembering anything I played.
For people like me, who aren't very practiced, those are a few supports I've found to be useful towards letting go of the results, and being more confident than I think I should be.
That's if I'm totally making stuff up. If I'm trying to play a cover tune, I've noticed that if I try to play it right, or to be more professional about it... I'm not, and it comes out sounding stilted. I end up learning it better if I try it in different styles, and get over the top with that, exaggerating it... kind of like when you're a kid, doing opera voice, country voice, etc singing, but on keyboard, with headphones. It's not serious, trying to do justice to whatever styles, or that would take more work than learning how to play the song! I mean in a more impressionistic way. (And I don't think I've ever posted an example of doing that, for some reason🤣) It helps gamify song learning, and helps for feeling out different vibes... which is kinda cool. You can learn a vibe's signature sounds and licks in kind of a photo-realistic way, but there's also a more impressionistic way.
Any way, I could watch this episode again, a while later, and again after that, and get something new each time. This one feels like the type of lesson where I could listen again after I've progressed more, and I'd pick up on aspects that I couldn't catch today, and on down the line for years, as long as I'm lucky enough to keep living. Thanks for tackling the subject so well (and I'm sure you could tighten it up some, and I'm thankful that you didn't).
When I say "you" up above, I don't mean Peter and Adam... I mean someone who's going through some similar situation to what I went thru. To me, it was obvious when I said timid practice will develop timid playing, that's meant for someone who's still much closer to being a student than being a teacher, and who isn't in the most supportive environment. That doesn't even make sense for me to think of Peter or Adam, or many other potential readers of this, as the intended recipient of that. But this being the internet, I felt I should clarify.
Another great episode! Adam, I was happy to hear you mention Richard Rohr's book Falling Upward. You might be interested in a podcast produced by the CAC (which he founded). It's called Everything Belongs, and at the moment they're doing a whole season about Falling Upward.
I think you guys should also do more bite sized lessons.
Short videos that perhaps all add up to something larger.
Cause I bet alot of us arent even a 10th of the players you are.
You guys are right, I need to cancel my OS subscription and just focus on the info I already have. GALA
Ha. 7 minutes in and I comment 😮 that aphorism from the last episode stuck with me as well! Especially the comparison with running. You become faster by running not by reading books about running.
44:51 Hank Jones!
Anthony Braxton took this approach to the max.
Gala, Peter Martin and Adam Maness you guys are on the Mount Rushmore of the You’ll Hear It Podcast
Could you do a video expanding on “rhythm changes” I hear you guys talking about it a lot but not really know what that means 😅
Yes, the experience of playing in real time is in my opinion the most important part of the journey. You have to take every opportunity to play out of the practice room to get the experience of actualkly creating music in real time. Practice is essential, but without the experience it will come to nothing. I don't think there is any other path...
I am trying to find a digital piano to love, what instruments are you guys using for these podcasts?
Can I ask what's the music piece you play together at the beginning of the video?
now just record this long-form podcast in all 12 keys and you’re good to go
What if I like to listen to you guys talk about the right things to do, more than doing any of the things you say :'(
Would you guys consider tackling suggested rock or pop songs, learn to play it by ear, and then talk about how you think creative decisions were made and perhaps what you think could make it more interesting.
Helping us think about similiar kiinds of personal musical expression.
Thanks Dudes.
Id personally like a take on a few Silverchair songs.
Tuna in the brine.
Across the night.
Miss you Love.
Emotion Sickness.
Long shot here, but maybe ypu like the idea.
I'd be down for some of the jazzy [puts dollar in the swear jar] pop songs. One that I'd like covered is James Francies and Yebba, My Day Will Come. That one has been on my list, and yet I never got. Or maybe one of Willow Smith's first 2 singles off her latest album. Those aren't the only pop songs I'd be interested in, but those came to mind immediately. I'd say Jacob Collier... except there is already a bounty of analysis of his music. I've already seen a great technical breakdown of his recent live (in LA) Bridge Over Troubled Water video that just was published last week🤣. So, JC analysis is a crowded field already! Even so, I'd still watch, if that's what gets done here.
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Brian Wilson is up there on the level of jazz harmonically imo and would be a great crossover topic.
@@jonunderscore Thank you
@@jonunderscore The writing partener on a few of the songs I mentioned is Van Dyke Parks, who was also Brian Wilsons writing partener
Can anyone point me to music in the style of the intro prelude of them jamming?
YESSSS LONG FORM IS WAY BETTER
Root shell pretty 👍
Was that the lick🤯 0:35
“I have practiced eight hours a day.” Nicholas Payton in 1998
I love the long podcasts, but you gotta do them once a week cause I haven't finished the last 2 podcasts and at this rate I'll never finish a podcast 😢😢
Make time for it...😊
do you exist on guitar mode ?
Oops might be on the wrong channel hahaha
I'm so glad I found this channel...its so zen and you guys have such a nice way of speaking and teaching🥹
C major is the number 1 key to music success
I disagree. I've definitely had times where I thought I needed the right information to solve problems in my playing to get better. So I figured out the problems and got the right information.. and I got better. One was I didn't understand time feel. I posed the question on my forum and someone posted a really good video explaining the components to time feel. I'd gone 2 decades and not understood it. Finally figured it out theoretically and got way better quickly. Another one was melody. Melody isn't really taught well. So I figured it out myself and again became fluent in melody very quickly. Don't be mad at theory guys. It doesn't subtract creativity or musicality.
I don't think they said learning theory is bad or wrong. It's just what do you do with the theory to internalize it. It's the inch wide-mile deep thing. Rather than learning many things and never really taking them deep (which I am woefully guilty of myself).
I was just disagreeing with the premise in the title that information doesn't equal better playing when it absolutely does. There are 4 aspects to being able to play well and you're putting yourself at a disadvantage if you slack on any of them: ear/aural ability, theory, creativity/approach/imagination, and technical skills. The fact that you have to work the music out in the other areas doesn't mean that theory or info doesn't help you or improve you.
@@clintjones9848 I think this is a classic misunderstanding and I‘m (almost) sure both sides are fundamentally d‘accord. As I understand it they say that first you absolutely have to get the/some info. Say how a basic 251 works. But then you have to DO it. Put it through all keys and all possible inversions and add it wherever you see fit. Absorb the basic dom7 (maybe with the gorgeous 6 on top) before you read about Triton sub or backdoor sub. When you feel you have the 251 down, then read about 2 5sub 1 then absorb this and so on.
And you did the same … you got some (not all!) info about rhythm and then absorbed it. At least I think there is no disagreement in both of your points and we all mean basically the same 😊
Yes
@@clintjones9848late to the party, but I think technically they are right, more information does nothing if you don't use it. They're generally referring to people looking for the one quick fix. They do refer many times throughout the episode that yes you need information, but like they said, what made the greats great was not what they knew but the cracks in between. Why simple fundamental knowledge can be so powerful and stylistic, not needing some special scales or voicings.
They're also addressing the people who just mentally masturbate to the information and idea of practicing but never actually do it, like playing a solo in all 12 keys, etc.
So you can have the information and still never apply it. Doing it leading to the information in your case was the better path.
gala gala gala
Apples
wrong channel? might help you get some new listeners nonetheless
Ok boys…
One of your best videos although I know that not all will see it my way or your way because the information you convey here is as subtle as it is important.