Prusa XL In-Depth Review: 5-toolhead auto tool changer 3D printer compared to BambuLab AMS
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- čas přidán 22. 06. 2024
- 00:00 Intro
04:09 Setup
08:57 Single tool head test prints, clearance test, retraction test, tolerance test, surface quality test, first layer test
15:40 Multiple tool heads test prints
24:05 Pros and Cons
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Once again, Aurora Tech gives us the most informative and complete review. I love my X1C, but now I understand where and when a Prusa XL would be valuable.
IKR this is the best vid I’ve seen so far showing the setup process
This is basically the best unbiased review channel for any 3D Printer (The next one is Fauxhammer) I just hate it when all the other channels have nothing but praises on any 3D Printer they are reviewing, it sucks... One example was the Kobra 2, every channel were praising it for good print quality but it turns out there is some issues with millimeter accuracy (If you print a cylinder it will almost always be not uniform) I mean for a young creator to be better than the other guys is just mindblowing. Anyways more power to Aurora Tech!
Wonderful overview!
There is a hidden trick for adjusting the Z-offest (mentioned at 30:30) - Long press the knob during the first layer to bring up a live Z menu. Note that this value will NOT be saved and you will have to readjust it per print. I use this sometimes on PETG prints.
It's not great that this function is so hidden, so that still counts as a minor negative.
you can lower the Z from prusa slicer if needed repeatedly
exactly, simply adjust and save it in prusaslicer.
my prusa xl just arrived, they are expensive but having said that it works very well so far, there has been no stringing and colour changes are fast. I have no regrets.
You're doing an amazing job. In-depth and professional.
That first layer sheet was beautiful
Yet another Aurora Tech video that is amazingly complete and informative. Very well done y'all.
80 thousand! Yeah! You only get what you give. Nice work. On my end, I will keep telling people they can trust opinions, or trust results, and Aurora Tech channel is ALL about results. Not what a printer says, but what a printer DOES. Nice work.
best video about the prusa xl on the internet, thank you
Extremely well done and documented. Crisp speaking and unbiased review! New follower here now for sure! Great Job, highly impressive with your technical review of this machine! Thank you again! 👍
FYI you can adjust the Z offset with a long hold of the control knob during the first layer. Note that the setting is temporary and will reset on the next print.
Great video.
Very informative and balanced review of a complex machine. My university just picked up 3 of these, and I'm very stoked to use 'em!
Always quality reviews!😁
+1
Great review. You two do an amazing job.
Thank you! The best and detailed review of the XL! Great job!
Fantastic review. I’m glad that CZcams is providing you with break point info on their commercials.
This tutorial is so good, you just earned a subscriber.
Awesome review, as always
Very good review, thank you !
Excellent review for an excellent machine.👍
Great review, the HKs are adorable ☺️
Nice video as always.
One correction:
You always can manually adjust the z-offset in the slicer. Printer settings/General/z-offset.
This does not change the z-offset on the printer itself, but the z-coordinates in the g-code, so not adjustable while printing.
Back in the days this was a very comon used feature. Nowerdays it is barely used - but if you do not have auto z-offset nor a spring steel management storing different z-offset for different spring steels, this is still a usefull feature.
Also esp. for colour change only in the first 3 layers (to embed text in the bottom) I sometimes want a more closed, intentionaly a bit oversqeezed first layer. You do not need to change z-offset to do that - you can just manually change the flowrate in the first layer in gcode (after first "after_layerchange" add "M221 S105", after next "after_layerchange" add "M221 S95", if the standard flowrate is 95%, like on the mk3s+). This gaves a very closed 1.st layer on the textured bed.
Wow. I finally watch an XL review that gives me the facts and some comparisons. You very well reviewed this printer in a way that explains its ability and costs. Nice how you point Josef into the right direction.
I would have liked to see more advanced filaments printed like PC-CF and Nylon. In this price class, the printer should be capable of doing those trouble free too but as it is not enclosed or even chamber heated....
Thank you very much for this great review, it was very informative and even entertaining to watch.
Nice demo ❤ I’m jealous ☺️
Amazing video as usual, always the best real reviews. Hope they let you keep the printer. Because most of us cannot afford the top model. Gonna stay here with my old Ender 3 Pro S1. Until I step up. Keep up the good videos.
Love the Haribo Goldbähren.
Now THIS is gonna be a good review, excited to take a look and hear your comparisons!
i feel your pain..the good thing though as you mentioned is that it will get improvements so ita a real investment. i value your honesty so muchand i love that even though you have opinions on these printers your reviews are very very fair and un-biased. thx you. Stay Beautiful.
you can hold the knob during 1st layer to adjust the Z 🙂
That PLA sheet was beautiful. This machine is going to be in my daydreams for a while.
I wish you compared the color printing quality btw. Bambu ams and the xl
Hello, great video, just one thing i noticed in the beggining when you compared the nextruder of the XL and MK4. They are not exactly the same, to be more clear, their buddy boards are not exactly the same, the XL nextruder buddy board does contain an accelerometer which is used for the XL's phase stepping calibration, and hopefully input shaping in the future.
As I understand the phase stepping calibration, this is done by measuring the current on the motor cables. This is a function of the TMC drivers, already use for compensating self inducted current from the motors, sensorless homing etc. As far as I understand, phase stepping correction is a more accurate approach of compensation for the self induction from the motors to make the movement more smoth. Practicly replacing some of the functions already inside the TMC by an optimiced routine, calibrated to the real motors behaviour (TMC could only use astandard aproch, but the real motors of course have variances). This has nothing to do with measuring the accelleration of the motors.
@@oleurgast730 According to Prusa's website, data collected from the accelerometer is used in this calibration. Perhaps they are using data from the accelerometer in conjunction from the drivers to create more accurate readings.
@@kailin1496 You are correct.
Great review, any news on when you might test the new FLsun printers?
bonjour super comme habitude, bon moi avant ma commande de ma x1c j'avais commander la XL en vain car jamais arriver du coup j'ai abandonner après le cout et vraiment élevé et je trouve que c'est pas justifier même si sa reste une bonne machine et fastidieuse a paramétrer elle reste intéressante pour ne pas gaspiller du filament mais encore une fois faut en avoir l'utilité
par contre suite au les test complet de la P2 et bien j'ai fait le pas et suis en possession de cette xtool et c'est vraiment quelque chose et vous remercie pour
fan de la chaine encore merci de France
Love this channel best reviews ever. Prusa is lost on me though. I cant really appreciate fine wine or caviar either.
Great video, as always. Liked your take on the price. These things are just too expensive.
Good review! very informative and well done. Have to say that as a P1S and AMS owner that I wonder which multi color technology will win out. Rapidly advancing market, and you keep us informed.
I love her channel I wonder if she will review the Orangestrom Giga I hope so 😊
You have good taste in music!
I hope you will be reviewing the new RatRig Vcore4 as well.
I've been waiting for this one!
Aurora the brave ❤
What are you doing with all the printed boxes, after the review is done?
As usual, another excellent video. Thank you.
With regard to Prusa outsourcing, I believe Prusa has much national pride and wants to help the people of his country by employing them rather than outsourcing. This is a good thing that I feel should be at least mentioned and IMO rewarded. For the higher price of a Prusa, you get the best customer service with a product support that significantly improves the product over time, as you mentioned with the MK4. Also, I expect long term part availability to be better with Prusa than any other manufacturer, which is very important when buying at this price point.
IMO, I would buy a Prusa over a Bambu based on these things I have listed here.
It's exactly like that. I agree on all points.
Aurora Tech "My Hello Kitty army looks awesome" LOL Thank you for an exceptional review 💜
Todaaay ❤
Thank you for the review! How does the stringing on multi-material prints compare w/ the 5 Tool Head XL vs Bambu Labs X1C?
XL can do everything a 3D printed business store would need to serve its customer.
The front cost isn't a big deal as you can service multiple material parts more expansively, so in the end it opens new opportunities
I believe there are 2 ways to change the z offset. I've never needed to on my mk4, but I've heard if you hold down the button for a second, you get the adjust live z option. Also I believe somewhere in prusa slicer there is a z-offset option as well. I've never used either on the mk4.
as Prusa XL owner, I recomend:
1. use the smooth plate for PLA, the satin for PETG and PC and the textured for TPU. Check my videos for PEY, PEO and H1 plates.
2. use Obxidian nozzles
3. install silicone nozzle wipers for each toolhead
4. calibrate the belt tension
5. use a small thumbdrive usb
6. connect the printer using a ethernet cable and don't use wifi
7. use a UPS at least when upgradinding FW
8. print five Cable protecting toolbase clip for preventing the cable of previos tool from wearing off when docking
9. Replace the knob with a mk3s style one for faster navigation
10. replace the two side sensor cables with two bed cables and then lower the side sensors for better cable path (see my videos on this topic).
Happy printing!
I would like to see that the manaufactures, no matter whether it is Prusa, Snapmaker or the others would listen to those little details to improve the experience with the printers. I just want to use the printers and do want to print 1st serveral parts to improve the functionality just that it is working as it should. The XL is out for over 1 year now and it is still neccessary to print parts to improve functionality such as silicon nozzle wipes, cable protecting toolbase clip or you point #10. My hobby is not "optimizing 3D printers" I just want the functional parts for my other hobbies
The printer for this price still needs so many things to do.. no thanks
@@clausziegler5720 no, you don't have to do any of those things, unless you want to. I use satin sheet for all. I use four normal 0.25 nozzles (disguised as 0.4 nozzles in order to circumvent the "no prime tower with mixed nozzles" restriction) and one normal 0.4 nozzle. I only wipe the nozzles when running offset calibration (nozzles are relatively clean, if you dial in your filament correctly). I use the wifi, which works fine in 6.0.1. I might look into those clips though, to reduce friction on tool cables. Not a necessity, but a good idea in the long run imho. I did not move the side sensor, i use spoolholders with ball bearings, so no need due to low friction. I'll do belt tension, when it becomes necessary.
Love the video! What are the dimensions of the XL Prusa fully assembled? trying to figure out a proper table top, just in case if I end up buying it. Thanks for your reviews and videos! Keep it up!
The XL might not be for you if you can’t find such basic information for yourself. But maybe you’ve been in a coma for 40 years and the Internet is new to you so here are the dimensions taken from the product page:
Printer dimensions: 800×800×900 mm (31.49’’ ×31.49’’× 35.43’’) including side spoolholders and top enclosure cover (separate future add-on)
@@radish6691 appreciate it! Thanks!
How things have changed. People hated the thing at the start and now it looks like Prusa have something really special on their hands. Surprised how fast it is too given the weight of that tool head!
When will you plan to test new anycubic Kobra 3 combo? 🤔
Looks good but the multihead version needs to come to down to $2500.
Bamblu Labs is working on an XL version of the carbon and rumored price is around 2500 with a 6 spool ams and a 380x380x400 build plate.
I will buy that in a heart beat.
Where did you hear that?
@@Salamattder There are rumors, but nothing official. Bambu employees did hint at working on a larger printer with an AMS in more than one interview recently. I hope its at least a 400x400x400 build volume.
I have the carbon and it is working at 100% satisfaction so far (250h runtime). I actually have no need for a bigger buildplate at the moment as a hobbyist.
Bambu lab isn't working on anything other than being sold off to a different company.
Also first vid to mention touch support
regarding the purge tower necessity: At one point AnkerMake was coming out with a multi-extruder head. From the videos they had, the idea was a servo and cam system was used to lower just the desired hot-end as well as move a cover from the hotend-tip. Unfortunately, they canned the project, which probably disappointed some people who bought the M5 specifically because it would support it. But I do wonder if the concept of a servo driven tip cap would have merrit with the XL.
What is the tower thing for in some prints?
it can be nice if you can do a kit review/build of vzbot or voron
The kit has no value for comment, because the quality is determined by the maker's personal experience and assembly level, so even if you can get a high-quality finished product, it will not be representative.
BambuLabs is coming!
OH, how long does the box stay internally waterproof during a submersion test?? That's cool!
Aurora please post the printer consumption.
I have been putting off my next printer purchase. I need something to print high strength materials and the Bambu wastes way too much to use for that. This one has pretty much everything except a heated enclosure, but I can fix that. And it seems like prusa has ironed out most of the issues.
Very nice review. I appreciate your attention to all the details.
Ironed out some but no were near most,. the detaching prime tower and failed prints are still common. 20:46 22:10 and 34:28
Imagine having to reprint a model several times to get it right and it is a tossup if it works reliably. That is a waste of time and filament. Still needs more time in the oven.
This is one of those "if I won the lottery" kinds of printers...until then I'll have to continue looking at IDEX machines like the Sovol SV04, Vivedino Marathon, or maybe the Snapmaker J1S.
Hi Aurora and Helios,
I am a newbe in the laser engraving and 3d printing field. I a a theatrical technician and actor. I have been watching your videos for a couple of years now and highly impressed with organization and production values of your videos. I thank you for the info I needed to decide to purchase the Bambu Lab A1 mini and, more recently the A1. I was wondering if you had ever done a 'how to' video on you process for producing your videos. I am thinking of putting my tech and acting skills int reviewing or 'how to' videos. Any info, advice or recommendations you'd be willing to pass on to me would be appreciated. Thank you,
Laser Geezer (Russ Webb)
Another great review!
Only suggestion is to not compare Apple to "Oranges". Prusa is a pretty big company but it's not Apple big. I do wish they had manufacturing in the U.S but since I don't know what their overhead is I don't know for sure that it would cost any less when manufactured here.
Yes, you are right. I didn't expect them to move production to the US; I would have expected them to start in Mexico, where everything is cheaper. As I read in an article (www.forbes.com/profile/josef-prusa/), in 2017, the estimated value of Prusa was 236 million euros with annual revenue of over 33 million euros. After seven years, I would expect these numbers to have increased to an estimated value of 500 million USD and 50 million USD in revenue. So, investing 5-10 million USD, which is only 10-20% of their annual revenue, to move some production to Mexico and ship to the US from there shouldn't be that big of a deal. It would be a much better investment than acquiring the TRILAB delta printers.
@@AuroraTech In that case, Mexico definitely sounds like an option.
What if you slowed the faster printers down so they printed the Alpaka in around 5 to 6 hours, would there be as big a difference in surface quality then? Might be an interesting video.
Totally agree... Would love to see how they do at a comparable speed. Would also be interesting to see how the XL performs 25 - 30% faster as well.
Can't you z-offset in the slicer?
Please Bambu, make multi head printer!
Absolutely great review. It seems really open and neutral.
Where I disagree is on the issue of outsourcing. You can't compare Prusa with Apple & Co. Prusa is still a very small company in comparison. That wouldn't work and the printer would no longer be the same.
The USA is a very good example of outsourcing over decades by the Boomer generation so they could make a quick buck, and I hate it. Almost everything now is sh!t if you dont do extensive research.
When that hello kitty came detached you could have used the "cancel object" feature. You can stop all printing for just the one dislodged object and continue printing the rest. Nothing you can do about the prime tower, you still need that though.
Jealous! Great reviews as always. My policy these days is "I don't do reviews, Aurora does them better than anyone anyways" ;)
Please please make a bambu review. We know the history. Ignore the history
@@Ro3Deee Any bambu hardware reviews will have to come out of his own pocket.(because reasons) So unless it is sponsored by another company, he is relying on just yt ad revenue and maybe patreon.
@@Ro3Deee Why? It's probably the most reviewed and talked about brand of 3D printers, I don't see what can be gained from another review.
You don't do reviews anymore more because nobody will send you free products after your atrocious handling for the A1 mini leak. You actually thought it was a good idea to break NDA for like 9 patreon members lmao.
@@mattclay4 , just for fun
Amazing review, interesting to also give advice on how big tech does outsourcing and still maintains quality.
She nailed it
👍🏻👍🏻
I feel that this printer is suffering the unicorn syndrome, is perfect for a job not much people need, you can print very complex models with multiple expensive engineering filaments, but is not enclosed from factory, taking away the main advantage of this multi-head printer. At the end, we have to remember that this printer is not for hobbyists, and that bambulab filament waste ratio gets significantly improved when you have to print multiple parts at the same time.
I think the Jobbyst market need more cheap IDEX or TRIPLEX alternatives like the SOVOL. IDEX is a very simple and easy to maintain system which can be easily implemented without needing to reinvent the wheel with complex toolhead change systems.
I ordered the printer over a month ago. I contacted Solvo about the delivery date of my sv08? The answer I got was that there are experiencing large volumes of orders and the are under staffed os my order wsa delayed. She said she will try contacting the stores department and ask if they could speed up my order!! I've sent meny emails since then but haven't received a positive answer as yet. The last email I received was similar to yours, which said orders to Europe will start shipping early July? I will let you know how things pan out.
Cheers, Mike Irish
It definitely is a very interesting machine, but it doesn’t make much sense to compare it to the BL X1 or similar maxhines, of course it is better in some aspects but it's in a completely different price bracket than those machines.
At the end of the day it doesn’t matter how good this machine is or could be, most people won’t even consider it when looking for a new printer because of the high price, and even having the money to spend it probably would make more sense to get 3 X1Cs for the price of the XL. It’s only under very specific circumstances that the XL would really make sense (other than going with the influencer hype).
It’s just a matter of time for BL to launch a new machine that kills this one as they did with the A1 Mini to the Prusa Mini…
Prusa is between a rock and a hard place right now, they’ll never be able to match the price of the BL machines, even if they make good and reliable machines, they’ll always beat them in that aspect. And even worse is not that BL are only cheap, they’re also extremely capable and almost (if not equally) as reliable as Prusa’s.
And it’s even worse because they lagged behind for several years, only getting into high gear again after panicking when the X1C came out and blew the industry away.
It might be too late now to get ahead of the competition, only time will tell. If anything it’s good for everyone that they’re finally are trying to catch up, competition is great for the market.
33:12 dang she nailed it. So true. They need to diversify or they are going to expire.
Did you print anything that actually required an XL size? Thats where the quality issues showed up in the past
"The Bones Of Thing" should be an easter egg in the background now.
Wait I don't get why there needs to be a purge tower... I don't know if I'm missing something but don't all tools just have there own nozzles?
It doesn't make sense to compare the surface quality of two printers moving at different speeds. Slow the other printers down and they might match the Prusa.
This is a marvel of engineering that needs better engineering (judging by bitter complaints of XL owners): great concept, poor execution. Bambu Lab or another competitor will likely antiquate the XL with better printers for half the price. This review would be more credible if she addressed some of the problems frequently experienced by XL users.
This would be such an amazing printer!!! if only it was made by bambu lab :D
Looks like Prusa finally got this machine figured out. The early ones seemed to have a bunch of issues. Good job on the review AuraTech.
@Aurora Tech, great review however each tool head DOES contain an accelerometer. Perhaps its my old man ears but I heard "Doesnt"
I totally want one, but I can't justify the price of $4.5k. I print a lot right now. All in multi-color (might be interesting to review the MMU3 vs the bambu labs printers as I believe the MMU3 is significantly faster). So the 5 toolhead would be the requirement for me. But will I keep printing as much as I do? I have no idea. I am running out of room to display the things I print. lol
While the comparison with the bambulab printers filament changing time is nice, it´s a bit unfair. Bambulab specialiced on entry level users, avoiding calibrating ramping profiles an use cut&poo instead. Esp. with Prusas mk4 + MMU3 (or with an mk3s+ changed to revo hotend) ramping improved a lot due to the integrated heatbreak in the nozzle. As the slicer predictions are quite correct, you can compare 4 cubes 1cm³ sliced for the mk3s+ + MMU2 and sliced for the X1C - and the mk3s+ still winds in overall printings speed (of course with bigger objects the X1C might win due to higher printing speed).
With the new MMU3 for mk4 now available, a comparation between the mk4+MMU3 and the 5tools XL would be more interesting imho.
In my opinion it is quite sad the XL does not support the MMU3. While toolchanging is quite nice for different materials with different temperatures and propertys (like TPU wich is hard to impossible to use with a filament changer), you often only need two different materials. While for multicolour one toolhead is O.K. and waste is also aceptable if having a big bed printing multiple pieces of the same object at once. Also not using cut&poo but ramping saves a lot of waste.
So imho the XL should support a MMU3 for printhead 1, allowing multicolour up to 5 colours (or more, there are modified MMUs for more filaments). Plus a second toolhead for another material (for example TPU. Or PETG for easy to break supports).
This would also reduce the price for the XL for a lot for hobby users. With the 2 printhead version the price is much more in budget than the full 5 head version. If you already have an MMU2 flying around, the upgrade would be only an aditional $100. And you would have up to 6 colours (5 for the first tool, and 1 for the second one).
Of course, for such a setup there would be an more affordable alternative. Use an IDEX, add klipper and an ERCF...
One of the best features of the mk4 and the xl is of course the nextruder. The internal loadcell is a nice feature - and quite nice for autocalibration. Esp. on the XL for auto allignment of the tools. Quite sad there seem to be no coldends for the revo system with integrated loadcell:-( Also I am quite sad Prusa have all parts in it´s shop to build a nextruder, exept for the planetary gear. The only option to get the complete nextruder for your own tinkering project (like using it on a toolchanger on a Voron Trident or VCore 3.1 or 4) seem to buy a complete mk3.9 upgrade kit (maybe I might do so, still could use it as 3.5 upgrade + Nextruder for diy-projects). By the way - there is a github project how to use a loadcell for years now, wich works without firmware modification on any printer. A simple arduino and a loadcell amplifierer are used. The arduino (f.e. arduino nano) constantly reads the values and calculates an average. So the average is constantly updated, compensating the temperature drift. If an massive inrease is detected, this a "crash" and the arduino signals it on an output. This output can be connected instead of a limit switch or probe input on nearly any printer. As an arduino nano and the amplifier are quite light, they could be mounted directly on a toolboard, using a CAN or USB board on the toolhead - I realy hope, Prusa puts the gears in their spare part shop in the near future...
You say it doesn't have an accelerometer but each head does. Does the XL extruder have an accelerometer built in? A: Yes, it does - it's vital for correct Input Shaper configuration (see above). Overall, Input Shaping without an accelerometer is the exact opposite user experience that Prusa normally goes for.
During printing first layer you can press the dial knob for some seconds and adjust first layer hight.
I would say they could even just keep their single factory in the Czech republic if they wanted. What I don't get is why they don't even have a small hardware space in the US, since there has to be a considerable North America market. Even just warehousing some commonly bought devices and components would help reduce lead times and costs for end consumers. It makes even less sense for some of their swag (like hoodies and t-shirts) which are clearly not made in their Czech facility.
Thank you for a very honest and thorough review! I have seen many of the Prusa fan boys praise this machine while seeing many actual owners having serious regrets with their purchase. I'm sure it will get better over time but the rollout has been painful to watch from the sidelines. They certainly need to bring the cost down and fix a lot of the problematic setup calibrations you brought up. It strikes me as a very specialized machine for a very niche need.
Great review again, this printer is just too expensive for what it offers. Why such a big purchtower for the Hello Kitty model? That defeats the purpose of a multi-head system.
I agree. Fully assembled to me would be the x1c. This is semi assembled and should be called semi assembled.
Prusa XL (5-toolhead) link not working
Thanks for letting me know, just updated.
The review I was waiting for. Now I just need to sell a kidney for my 5 head XL...
Great review as always... but its a shame its way out of my price range...
I am just going to wait for Bambu to make something like this, it's only a matter of time. From not having a webcam, to the extreme price, outdated Marlin Firmware, not having the enclosure they advertised (input shaping Mk4 on release) , and the fact that most people I have seen with one IRL have a pretty high failure rate. Prusa is nice, and sends them parts, but I am not keen to pay 4k to be a beta tester for Prusa until they figure it out. This is a result from them becoming greedy and letting the community innovate for them. Bambu hit them where it hurts, and they are panicking. You can tell.
The price is relative. The Prusa are certified, you can see what this costs with the X1E. And Prusa focuses on professional buyers.
Prusa has long been using its own firmware that has almost nothing to do with Marlin. Input Shaper, for example, has been ported from Klipper.
And as you can see from the print quality, it works even better than the competition.
Prusa sold more printers last year than ever before, despite Bambulab.
@herr_rossi69 that's what they like to claim yes. Meanwhile printfarms across the world are phasing out Prusa and Bambu is replacing it. This stigma that only prusa can be a professional quality printer is part of its major issue. Nobody likes snobs, ESPECIALLY in 2024. The X1E isn't being used by professionals , usually P1S with a proper firewall is just fine. Bambu will make one of these, just like they targeted the Prusa Mini. It just makes sense , especially from a business aspect. When the competition is drowning, you shove them underwater even more. Prusas days at the top have come to an end, now they overpriced. Excellent customer service yes, but I prefer printers that just work. The XL is not that, maybe the Mk4 is finally getting there. But anyway you look at it, Bambu Lab has won this particular phase of 3d printing, because Prusa was comfortable without innovating until their $ was hurt.
@@herr_rossi69 That's what they like to claim. But in 2024 price is not just relative, its a statement. And what exactly are they certified for? For use by professionals is the avid claim, yet professional print farms across the globe are replacing their Prusa's with Bambu Lab's ,usually P series not X1E. The X1E is more an engineering grade not necessarily for professional 3d print farms. What is not happening is XL's or Mk4's with MMU3's replacing any print farms current stock. The XL's big claim is less waste, yet with a currently high failure rate in the community with lots of tuning and parts from Prusa to make a $4,000 printer be able to print open air materials is unwise for any business or hobbyist. If it was a dialed in true multi material system that was ,most importantly , as reliable as any Bambu Lab product, then we could say this is the best printer for a pro. Currently it's the best printer to show off to other people who do not know any better.
@@LibertyNOTPoverty I see it differently.
It's just a mystery to me, if people are so convinced of Bambulab, why do you always have to hate under Prusa videos.
In your opinion, the Prusas are so bad that it should be over in no time.
Nevertheless, Prusa sold more printers last year than ever before.
Yeah only a matter of time before they rip off prusa for like the 6th time.
Bambu bots are insufferable and regurgitate the same comments over and over. Your comments about prusa dont even make sense today.
This would be a fun printer to have. I just don't want to spend that much money... Yet😂.
outside of the Sliceworx Flex Dipped build plates the best adhesive ive found is the purple Aqua Net hairspray works fantastic and keeps the bed looking clean and its very cheap
PVA glue stick does the job, is cheap, readily available, more convienat size and non toxic. It's so good in fact I turn the heated bed off after the first layers done.
I've heard and read so much inconsistent reviews from various channels about the XL that I would hesitate spending that much and risk getting an XL or toolhead that might have problems or be a lemon. It sounds like PRUSA had been making ongoing hardware and definitely software/firmware changes and corrections. Perhaps the negative issues were from early adopters. Still, I'd wait another year or more before investing into an XL, unless the business really had to have one immediately.
I think you should've run some larger tests. small and medium height models aren't really testing the tall and large build volume of the XL. Allot of the issues I've seen with XL occurred at taller layers when using the multiple toolheads. Specifically, the towers often become the issue and detatch, colliding or causing the really big print jobs to often fail after MANY hours, and ruining the entire model.
Excellent points!
the prime tower detaching would be an user error though, as is stringing. Even the best presets can get borked by ambient factors, Prusa offers decent starting points though. If you intend larger prints, you should make sure the couplings are greased, which could cause slight shifting otherwise. You can expect quality like from a well build voron or ratrig. There is even more room for user errors though. With the 6.1 firmware update, the XL feels very complete now (it fixed some things introduced with the phase calibration). It's amazing and just have a look at what a good Voron kit costs (>2k€). Completely unassembled. The XL certainly isn't cheap, but it doesn't seem overprized if you compare it to other printers. For a printer of that size, with that print quality, you got to go Ultimaker and pay about 15k, if you want it fully assembled.
Based on how much the z-axis was moving during that first layer test that bed is either really badly warped or really badly out of tram.
It's NOT out of tram, it's doing small z hops at the edges. With such a big bed and input shaping it doesn't always do the traditional one continuous line zig zag.
Its possible and it's hard to tell sped you but those don't look like a hop moves to me. @@wafflecart
Does look like a great printer , but when you can buy 10 bambu a1s with ams light for the same price as one of these ,it seems not to be worth the money.