@@1mclv he’s not black tho. Black people were most affected by iddubz content. I mean, yeah he’s gay but before that he’s white and therefore wasn’t the target for the racism and bigotry. /nm
@@419chris419 no christ, Nido very clearly stated, 'Being "ironically" racist can and will attract genuine racists.' Please show me where the word 'comedian' is used and also, show me where the comedy of saying slurs is.
The people asking “what damage” obviously didnt watch the actual apology where he talks about very real instances of damage such as his interactions with fans and the harassment to his wife
When I was in middle school groups of white boys would chase me down the halls screaming “n***** f*****” because it would make me cry. Without fail. My parents and grandparents and great grandmother would sit me down and tell me stories of slavery, bigotry, misogyny, r*pe and dehumanization. That is what those words carry. I understand not all people realize this is what these words carry. So people are speaking out about it. That’s what this is about. That is the harm that was facilitated. The ignorance and the weaponization of language under the guise of apathy. I don’t mean to lecture. Im just disappointed in this take. I understand that hatred wasn’t Ian’s intention, but it is nice he is willing to take responsibility. 2016 CZcams was awful for so many children of color and there was an impact. It all feels so counterproductive to undermine Ian’s apology and reflection. Him speaking on his turn to empathy is useful for people on the fence about things. It’s just disappointing to see this vid.
Thank you. Jesus fuck I was about to go insane seeing some of these replies. I’m a fan of Charlie but this was an absolutely shit take. I just saw a video that D’Angelo Wallace made and he did a good job of shooting down Charlie’s ignorance and reflecting on the impact that iDubbbz made on a huge generation of kids. Hearing Charlie say “you used those words for edgy shock humor,” and “you’re not a racist” takes a sledgehammer to everything that iDubbbz is apologizing for.
@@nooneimportant8157 why do you say that? i am not black, but I am indigenous and people would call me slurs as a kid because they knew it affected me. I wasn't old enough to understand it completely, but I knew that those slurs were wrong and carried the stories of horrific acts my ancestors went through by colonizers. try to have some empathy
Charlie’s whole point is that it’s not his fault kids watched his clearly adult content because they had no parents monitoring them anyways and idubbz made videos for older people who were supposed to understand the nuance of using the slur like how South Park is technically two white guys saying the n word but trey Parker and Matt stone shouldn’t apologize either they just don’t do it anymore which is showing their understanding.
Exactly. I literally had ppl in school come up to me in school and called me racial slurs all bc of ppl like Ian, Filthy Frank and Leafy. How does he not get it?
@@mxlcxlm1518 because thats such a isolated experience and frankly i just dont believe that was the only reason why, during middle and highschool (where they were at their biggest) i had been to 4 different schools and never had that kinda stuff happen because of fans of a youtuber
@@troypowers750 that's not what he's doing here. He's telling idubzz that an apology not directed toward him in the first place wasn't necessary. Does that make any sense to you?
@@Tubeytimeso it doesn't matter that his content encouraged people to normalize the use of dehumanizing words, and that he now regrets that and wants to apologize to the people he affected for it? I genuinely don't get it. This apology wasn't meant for people who weren't affected by his content in the past. Why do you feel the need to call it out if it doesn't affect you? Unless you think you're one of the basement dwelling losers he called out?
@@user-do8rf3jg9rit’s justified, if you lived in a predominantly white area during the Idubbz area getting “ironically” called slurs and the N-word behind your back was supper common. Hearing it justified using the idubbz/leafy rhetoric was also common. Straight up racism and bullying, Heavily inspired by and carried out using idubbz arguments. He now realized this and apologized for it. He realized his legacy has both directly and indirectly cause so many kids to be unironically bullied, have slurs used against them. He had also directly radicalized many kids, causing them to turn into slur chucking racist edge lords, and he deeply regrets that. Charlie’s excusing him. L take from Charlie.
@@user-do8rf3jg9rno shhhtt they mad ain't no need to explain nothing to you causes I already know your ssttpid as ain't even gonna listen so whatever.😂🙄🙄😷
You don't understand the word irony, as there isn't a hint of it here. Watching and having a response or reaction to a long form statement isn't ironic, regardless of your feelings about it.
@@iggynub The irony comes from criticizing the long form statement's lack of conciseness in a fashion that is equally if not more long-winded and disrespectful to the viewer's time. It's the definition of irony.
Where are you? Go look at any other comments section. Especially on any other social media. Nobody agrees with idubbbz, they think he's being a massive cock and that most of his videos weren't even that bad. Seriously most of them are him down speaking saying awful things. Also they're just going to be re-uploaded right now. If you really want to grow then you accept your past
@@mesaplayer9636 1. No one here mentioned black people and 2. Yes, he apologised for many things and specifically directed an apology to “black and minority people”
Damn dude im a huge fan of yours and i happen to be black. Its tough watching you dismiss something that was tough for me to deal with. I get where your coming from but u arent part of the groups hes hurt dude. Please have some empathy
@@steveman751 media affects real life social aspects, while he might not have been harmed directly by ians content, the culture of bigotry he facilitated to his fans had lasting effects on others.
can you actually articulate why some person using the n word is tough for you to deal with? Like, is it because if they use it, it makes you think they do not respect your ancestors, and it bothers you when some internet person doesn't respect your ancestors? Or is it because you think it means he doesn't respect you, a person he's never met? Or what exactly am I missing? Or is it just a free sympathy pass that you get to use?
@@nGUNNARp can you articulate why the n word has been considered a racial slur towards black people for centuries? Or are you completely removing any context to that word so you can pretend its some funny internet word that has no racist intent behind it?
He didn’t make an apology to satisfy some angry mob, no one was trying to cancel him. He did it because he knew it would get rid of the type of audience he doesn’t want around anymore and I get it.
i agree, but he did also cultivate that audience and contribute to those people feeling validated and comforted in the way they act. as a black person, i saw firsthand how this kind of content resulted in casual racist jokes and any apology won’t make that impact he had go away
@@realskydiver777 he mentioned chris on a stream but didn’t exactly specify why he was getting hate. But Also he didn’t do a whole video about like he would always do with every other small mr beast drama.
While idubbz and his behavior were reflective of the times, I still feel like his apology was warranted wholeheartedly. One of those axe forgets but the tree remembers type of things. Damage is done either way so to try and reconcile is always welcome
Low impulse control does far more damage than idubbz making a joke. Maybe the population "damaged" by the jokes needs to stop feeling sorry for themselves and get a job.
@@Sneedmiredude really? Are you a POC? Are you a member of the LGBTQ? Are you Jewish? Do you know how shitty it was to go to school and get targeted by the “edgy” kids who watched his videos and harassed those communities? He apologized because those same kids who watched his content went on to directly imitate his “edgy” persona and it did cause damage. Just because you didn’t experience it, doesn’t mean it wasn’t real. And using the “need to get a job” thing is so 40 year old white housewife it’s stinky and lame be better.
people get wise to shit at different rates. as he's addressed his social scope was limited compared to where it is now and his biggest period of growth was defined by encouragement and validation for whatever he was doing or saying at the time. people twice as old as him have identical views to what he had at 28 and worse yet what many people have at 17. look at Tate.
@@benabroad8872 CZcams has been hammering down on edgy content for several years. It's not like that's a thing that just happened last month. Ian is trying distance himself from his past self. And as a result he regrets many things he did, some of them which were not that bad. This can happen at any age in your life. I think it's far more harmful to not question yourself and justify your own behaviour unreasonably.
People who disliked what he used to do are just soft weird twitter people, apparently even now when he's trying to gain them as audience they still don't like him lol
@@Tibovl If he regrets it because YT are hammering down on it then he's not sorry. He's just a b'ch. Nothing he did harmed anyone. The only person to call him out on it is himself.
I genuinely dont understand this video even weeks later this whole video is just so strange. "never seen someone try and debunk an apology" is a good way to put it as I saw someone else in the comments say. Aswell as charlie just speaking on this at all since idubbz's apology was in no way directed at him💀
It’s so weird dude yeah of course he didn’t have to apologize but the fact that he did shows that he understands his negative impact and makes it so much more meaningful. This is such a basement dweller take no offense charlie
@@EnlargedPotato it’s not the fact he didn’t need to apologize. Charlie specifically says that’s fine. He SAID he shouldn’t have apologized for everything he did as a whole. The only things he should’ve apologized for was the slurs
@@LukeWeiner1 Words aren’t magic. Saying the word that was used during these events doesn’t make them happen again. The problem with slurs isn’t that they were historically used to demean people, its that they can amplify malicious messages towards these groups. If we operated on the basis that anything associated with something bad in the past is always bad, than environmentalism and wanting rights for animals is literally neo-nazism because Hitler was fond of these things. Also he wasn’t the “spokesperson” for this word.
my god people are crybabies, it's just words, don't watch or block someone if you dont like what someones says. who cares if someones black, asian, gay, whatevs man, no need for canceling, or other totalitarian means just because your feelings were hurt. if you think everyone is equal, it means there's no difference between any group, stop using identity politics freedom of speech, it has downsides and upsides and everyone is equal it also means, feelings will be hurt but, still no bs of getting jailed or canceled for jokes, or "offensive speech" imo offensive speech is Woke propaganda, but i choose to ignore it and go on with my day, something very hard for many people, they like their stuff and think others should too or be jailed or canceled or not allowed to speak controlled speech, it has downsides for some and only upsides for "protected groups" + getting jailed for what opinion you have/ say, aaah yes Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, need i say more? i guess this is what people want, eventho they claim to be "FREEDOM OF SPEECH" goddamn man, the double standards are getting out of hand if you believe in equality, you believe that a white guy or asian guy can also talk about this, as Charlie did, if you have a problem or believe in white privelage you are in fact discriminating as you think a particular race or group can only speak about certain things, that's what Hitler did also. he favoured particular groups and took away rights from others "because of genetics" either stop the double standards or stop crying about it.
this is a concerning take on someone owning up to their actions and trying to improve themselves. unless you were one of the people his jokes were directed at, you won’t get it. his content very much normalized the use of many slurs and similar things. im glad that he’s changing for the better
i don’t understand charlie for this. Like i was on yt when this stuff was popular and other people didn’t feel like it was just ‘edgy’ humor. It wasn’t *acceptable* with a lot of the people at time so for him to act like it was just because it was common just feels really weird and dishonest. people probably didn’t criticize it as much back then because it felt pointless when you’d get dogpiled or worse for pointing it out
@@chucksneedlee it's the fact that he's making a strawman in the apology video rather than addressing the main criticism he's receiving, which is the froggy fresh and sam hyde situation.
Surprisingly, using slurs to belittle and bully people hasn't ever been okay. Influencing a generation of young kids to bully and belittle people using slurs has also never been okay. Not in 2016, and definitely not now. Like, I hate the "it was a different time" argument when we all know being an inconsiderate, bullying, badmouthing person has actually never been okay and only appealed to the worst parts of privileged people as "humor". Humor at the expense of other people. Aka bullying through racism, homophobia, and ableism. Like it wasn't edgy, the time wasn't that long ago, and I wish more of the dudes in that group apologized tbh
Imagine being so weak minded and pathetic that you think COMEDY CZcams VIDEOS create harm. Only someone MISERABLY susceptible to bad emotions would think of comedy this way. You need to grow up or everything will make you crawl in a ball and cry like a loser.
I don't think he did this out of a place of obligation, he did it because it was making him uncomfortable. This apology video *was* the video he wanted to make, essentially.
I agree. The fact he’s more critical of himself than others are of him is not surprising, it’s human. If I did something I saw as bad, I am going to be the one to carry that full burden of guilt, but anyone else will just see it as another thing
Just putting in my 2 cents about Charlie's "I don't think it harmed anyone" comment. As someone who had to deal with white friends I was in school with getting too comfortable with throwing N-bombs after I naively gave the pass to them, then throwing the idubbbz "either all of it's okay or none of it's okay" quote when I told them that I'm no longer comfortable with incessant their use of the N-word, I wish he hadn't made those videos, even as a fan of his back in that day. The flagrant crossing of my boundaries by classmates was certainly not helped by the culture generated by his content.
Your experience is not irrelevant…. Idubbbz did not have anything to do with a couple dipshit white kids you happened to be around using that word….. period…… maybe reconsider the next time YOU tell people it’s okay to say that around you….. It’s called the bell curve of humanity,,,, most people of ANY NATIONALITY suck….
The point is should he really be responsible for the actions of others it’s obvious his videos where constructed in the confides of satire and irony as is most comedy it’s not like he specifically told people to say it or promote it
This feels more like a personal confession. It doesn't seem to me like the entire point was to apologize to the people, but also just to get this off his chest since it's been bothering him so long, and it's like to set the record straight for people because his old self isn't what he wants to project to the world anymore.
I just find it very weird how he wants to separate himself from his old content but also clings onto it so tightly. He's removed content cop, but all the bad unboxings which still include the hateful rhetoric he's distancing himself from is still sitting on his page untouched. The one thing I just find so weird is that in the last boxing match, we walked into the ring with a boxing coat (or whatever it's called) designed after his "I'm Gay" elf costume, which clearly is just a callback to his old videos and only panders to his old audience.
You can’t just decide how people perceive you. He has most definitely changed as a person, he went from a brash opinionated edge lord to a disingenuous, insecure, pussywhipped, spineless, (I could go on forever) Clinton-esque cretin. His new doc series he tried to reinvent himself with is just as lowbrow as his old content. Getting on his high horse, pretending he’s a legit filmmaker, while sneak dissing and exploiting his interviewee (daxflame, airsoftfatty). He couldn’t pin down Sam and exploit him so he resents him, hates him. Ian has shown his true colors yet he’s so stubbornly senseless he can’t see how much he’s portraying himself as someone who severely lacks in integrity and grit
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a heartfelt apology on this app before so it’s kinda crazy. I knew it wasn’t coming but I was still waiting for the “*sniff* guys….. its been so hard to make this video…”
I love seeing people bitch in this comment section. Very hilarious to see that people aren't allowed to have opinions and make content about those opinions. Just because he isn't the target in the apology doesn't mean he can't talk about it. And as a viewer of old idubbbz who now associates myself with the LGBTQ+ community, I don't feel like my life is threatened or hurt by his videos. I don't understand this mentality.
@@end.olives basically yeah...and to keep the same name associated with hate and bigotry therefore triggered all those affected....talk is cheap indeed.
Not even just online you couldn’t present any type of fruity w/ out hearing “what are you fuckin gay” from other kids in school 😭 and I watched him too 💀
I think you overestimate. People have been vehemently offensive in the most vile ways for over a decade before idubbz showed up. They never slowed down or ramped up just because another edgy youtuber showed up. They simply took that as a place where their edgy humor was welcome. He didn't create any new edglords. He just gave them another place to be edgy.
@@WrangleMcDangle it’s cool when it’s in a group who’s cool w/ it. Going up to a stranger cause you think they’re gay and saying that is not funny. That’s being a dick. There’s a diff.
@@Gamfluent I was 15 when idubbz started doing content cops. Everyone in my school would watch his shit, and slurs became regular vocabulary for most in my year. Although I don't blame Ian for this, like he said in his video, there is some amount of accountability for his audience, as kids and teenagers are very impressionable. I still think most of his content was great don't get me wrong but normalizing slurs is definitely not a good thing. He obviously wasn't racist or homophobic, neither were most saying it in my school, but none the less shouldn't be said in such a casual way.
@@idvn08 I don’t have empathy for people who get offended by obvious jokes coming from a guy who does things like run around in a ridiculous green body suit, eat peaches off the sewer floor, and jump into wheelchairs from truckbeds. If you do, that’s your problem.
@@Nolan-Boinah for real though why is everyone so soft? Nobody and I mean absolutely no one was complaining about his content in 2015-2017. Everyone just wants to be self righteous to inflate their ego these days and the top comments on this video all prove that. It’s like how twitter tried to cancel Sean Connery after he died it’s just embarrassing.
@ergwertgesrthehwehwejwe his entire comment section under this and the L Take video are full of Twitter people saying "idubbbz changed", "you didn't grow up" strawman arguments, Hasan fans etc. It's actually insane that these people exist. Hell, they probably blame video games for making people violent if that's the case.
Regardless of the side of an issue you're on, expressing regret for your past is totally normal. Power to him for seeing something he doesn't like about himself, and deciding to change.
this is like your friend apologizing to you about something and then someone who had nothing to do with the situation completely ignoring your feelings and being like “no no don’t apologize to them you should keep doing what ur doing!!!”
yeah when he said it was “just edgy” about racism normalization. Hate on all groups that come with a slur I had to check the video again… am I really watching charlie react to idubz apology?
yeah, except your friend isn't even apologising to you, they're apologising to the people that actually were affected and you butt in to say nah its all good
@@77768 and what about the content of idubbbz was normalization of racism? his point was people give words too much power. ironcally those bitching about using the n-word without context were the first using in a racist hateful way like Tana . you can think it's wrong to use the word but don't pretend it's the same as using to a black person to insult them based on their race or use it on all people.
@@doomedallweare5014 read what you said again… you’re contradicting yourself. If you’re a racist just own up to that don’t try to compare something bad to something ungodly & be like “see in contrast it’s not that bad”. That’s disgusting that you have to take it that far to justify it. The n word is above all a derogatory term with a dark history behind it. It’s bad as it is. it’s not “just a word”
Yeah, man, Charlie is sticking up for Ian. But what the left wants is public humiliation (stuggle session). That's why they don't want Chalie sticking up for Ian.
If you're not the one being affected by an ordeal, your opinion on it is irrelevant. It's like a European giving their "opinion" on 9/11, saying that it wasn't that bad and that Americans are overreacting because it happened in the past. Doesn't f*cking matter what you think, Mr. Teabag. It was bad for Americans.
And if you think rejecting the use of slurs is "lefty" behavior, you're just a shitty person. I'm right-leaning and know that being racist for giggles from other White people isn't funny.
@@lianadotjpeg If your suggesting idubbz was saying the n word in order to pander to racists, you are completely misunderstanding what he was about. He was using the word to prove a point that either all slurs are ok, or none of them are. Of course he didn't need to use the n word to prove that point, but to say he was just using the word because "racism funny" is dishonest. There is absolutely no problem with idubbz deciding to not use the n word in his newer videos, but labeling him and anyone who liked his old videos as racist is a very shallow thing to do, it shows the lack of understanding of where he was coming from. TL;DR I don't think he should have used the slurs, but calling him and his old followers racist is reductive and petty.
lmao i remember when he did his celebrity tier list and one guy (football player i think) had a dog fighting ring and critikal and matt were talking/joking about how much they hate animal abuse compared to “more serious” crimes
Those kids would've acted like that regardless of whether or not they consumed Idubbz's content, m8. You're making the "video games cause violence" argument here.
@@cksupreme Normalization of using slurs and spouting casual bigotry leads to negative impacts of the community directly affected historically by said slurs and bigotry.
Idubbbz didn’t make them. They’re the kids that were calling you a f** in cod game chat in 2010 why are y’all acting like someone in 2016 created that it’s just internet culture by 2016 it was dying
@@cksupreme not remotely the same dude. or are you trying to argue that young children and teenagers will not emulate what they see their role models doing? like is that seriously what you're trying to imply? because one of the most basic things to understand about kids is that they are extremely impressionable.
@@deathgripped not toward black people, I don't think he ever directed "slurs" to a black person, he just obviously felt he could use the word nigga and nigger, i think partly to fit in and partly to be free. But still, not cool if you didn't at least grow up around black people.
It’s the same as people saying that violent video games make killers, if you guys all repeated these slurs by watching his videos, that’s on you, not him. He shouldn’t have to apologize for that
@ieatalot idk, Ian seems pretty ok (now). It shouldn't have taken a grown man to be on the receiving end to get it, but at least he gets it now. That seems to be miles ahead of Charlie
My perspective is this: I don’t think idubbbz should apologize for criticizing other creators, but I think it’s good that he’s apologizing for HOW he did it.
The way he did it wasn't even bad. Ian is saying that he made himself seem better than everyone else but like Charlie pointed out he never actually gave that impression.
@@me61840 Yeah, like 7 years ago. Nowadays, it's too sensitive. If you make one dark joke, people would abolish you to the 9th circle of hell. And now that I think about it, 7 years ago, the US wasn't as focused on race. And it wasn't as close to being racist as it is today.
Sure but let’s not act like racism *isn’t* a huge problem. Like yeah, no one’s getting killed from him saying the n-word and telling his audience that it’s okay for them to as well, but it does create an unsafe and unwelcome environment for black people on the platform, and in turn, in real life as well, and that issue shouldn’t be trivialized.
@@cookiesncream9158 agree with this 100%, but i think the og comment was just countering how charlie started the video. like when he said “ian wasn’t killing puppies” like obviously but that doesn’t mean he can’t apologize for it. ykwim? i don’t think og comment was saying racism isn’t a big problem (because it definitely is) they were just countering charlie’s argument
@@senopai.8377 yeah yeah fs fs, I wasn’t tryna imply that og doesn’t see racism as a huge issue, I agree with everything they said, I just thought it was worth mentioning because that it could definitely be read that way.
He didn't make an apology to satisfy some angry mob, no one was trying to cancel him. He did it because he knew it would get rid of the type of audience he doesn't want around anymore and I fucking get it.
@@poopyscoopy6984 to be fair, they had it coming. this kind of shit was probably hanging over Ian's head for a long time and that dragged all of it back to the surface and he felt like he HAD to get it off his chest.
Yeah, and I think that his apology is a perfect example of how the right's idea of "cancel culture" is BS. Ian wants to change and be better, and most people are giving him the space to. The only people at his neck are the ones who he left behind as he grew and are terrified by the thought that he could be right about being wrong.
Nah, we all got the message. He's just wrong. And it's really weird to be speaking over a person on their own actions. Especially when you were obviously never affected by any of the wrongdoing. That's super weird. He did not need to speak on this.
you are talking about the small minority, that know that idubbbz is coming from a place of simping and lack of integrity and dignity? the irony is too massive once you see the big picture, but people are simple and they just need to listen to pretty words instead of reasoning to come to conclusions, hense the reason they keep electing the same type of shitty presidents... you d think the new generation is better than that, but over here its still full of people who are easy to get manipulated with pretty words and dont really have the capability to form their own opinions, at least talking for the ones that arent just hasty to comment over coming across a couple of selective or wrong info
i dont really get what's going on in the comment section here. this was barely an appology it was a way to fight back the people who say they miss the old iddubz, many people from the 2015 crew like maxmofoe and chad and many others like ksi or even pewdiepie slowly changed their content in different ways without having to shit on their old fans (who also were young and edgy and also might've grown out of it). You dont need to dedicated 2-3 videoes and go podcast after podcast to appologies for being edgy 8 to 9 years ago when everyone else was. you dont see all of the 2016 edgelords saying they'll never forgive themselves for being edgy 8 years ago. be realistic.
Yeah, that's how perspectives work? It's why empathy exists to help us understand each other in ways some might not have personally experienced but we can still understand each other and try to make some positive change for those who are affected negatively
I think this is striking a little close to home for Charlie. This is a commentary channel, not that different from what content cop was but less produced
I honestly feel like back then, idubbbz just got more and more edgy cause his community would push him and he either never stopped out of fear of losing his audience or just being desensitized
Is it really so hard to accept that Ian just changed as a person that you have to pin it on a ridiculous scapegoat. Also, his wife was with him during both the keemstar and tana mongeau CC’s.
@@viper7454the same wife who said it was her idea for the Tana video? Then idubbz said it was all his fault for it? The same wife that stalked one guy for a few years and manipulates her audience (the same way new idubbbz fans say idubbbbz created a toxic environment) for her liking? That wife?
I agree for sure taking acountability and appologizing is important. I just feel he's looking at everything with rose tinted glasses. The part about slurs, and hate speech 1000% agree on how he's appologizing for it. However take that away and much of the content disecting keemstar and other really bad actors, nothin wrong with that. At the end of the day it is his call and I think people throwing a hissy fit over it are stupid, but I think he is over correcting hard
@@grantconnolly4628that’s what I’m saying, and you just see his new fans saying that the content cops were unnecessary when it objectively made the site better. People just can’t appreciate what he did at the time anymore. Hate the double slit catchphrase tho made him sound like an idiot
I don't get the backlash charlie is getting in the comments. His main point is just justifying the need for criticism in general. Other than that he's agreeing with Ian just downplaying the severity of his actions
@@thecov3n yeah ur right lmao. Moistcritixal is being biased asf bcs it’s iddubz. If anyone on the internet now was posting insensitive, racist, homophobic content, he would be gawking on a moral high ground. But for some reason it was okay for iddubz to do so? Ye he trippin
As a black man myself used to really liked Idubbz and I used to think a lot of his racist shock humor was funny. However, that person who use to find that funny also enabled others to make racist remakes about them because they wanted to fit in. Being in my 20’s I can now see how damaging casual racist jokes were to my self image and how I saw other black people were. Racist humor whether with good attentions or not still place a seed of bigotry that can grow into many things. Hate, depression, self doubt, confusion. Bigotry can do a lot when promoted which is why I personally am glad Idubbz understands the impact he could have had and why those jokes were so harmful
Same, as a pan poc girl, I used to think I was cool for liking his content. It also ruined my self image and I basically hated myself with everything I agreed with. I’m 20 now and I hate who I used to me, it caused me irreparable damage that I tried so hard to fit in with some guys and even some girls. I’m glad there’s a bunch of us who know the impacts he had.
Comment i left on idubbbz video: "To be honest Ian, your content did influence a lot of kids to be rather horrible. Anecdotal but nonetheless I experienced A LOT of bullying and harassment from people i considered friends and outside of them directly referencing your content. Discussions about your content, discussions about the use of certain words, were all justified because Idubbbz said so. I was one of the only black student at my high school and the only one in my year group. It was isolating enough to be a different skin colour, but further isolating when people around me started blurting n- f-, or saying those things to my face. No amount of appealing to these kids could save me from the torment. People say blame the parents, blame the so and so, but i want people to understand that Ians content played a role, it contributed and exacerbated the intensity of my treatment. All for what man"
Ive gotta say its shocking to me that a man can scream the n word in someone's face, apologise for it 7 years later and somehow its the apology that people consider "controversial"
Tana had called him out for using the n word after she ahead used it 10 billion times herself so idubbbz said what he said he wasn’t “screaming the n word” in anyone’s face lmao
And even Charlie, who usually has decent takes on this stuff, then tells us that it wasn’t hurtful or hateful for him to say the n-word. Extremely rare Charlie L
@@Notlordstark context always matters, granted, not a nice word but he never used it in a harmful matter compared to Tana. Not defending it but context always matters.
Imo, whether he's being fair with himself or not (I never watched his stuff so idk, I'll take his word for it) I think it's good reflect on the fact he (apparently) made content that can be understood as very emotionally negative (even for laughs.) That being said I think Charlie can have an opinion about the apology and make points about things he doesn't have a clear understanding of. I'd actually like to see them talk face to face and clear up what iDubz meant.
everyone in here chirping about how bad charlie’s take was while he’s more genuine than 99% of other content creators bro makes one controversial take and the comment section is in disarray
Ok, but counterpoint: as a former iDubbz viewer, I felt 0% vilified by his apology. I didn't feel like he was calling me out, nor accusing me of anything. I feel like I, much like he, grew up and learned what was okay and what was too far. I can't speak on his apology because he isn't apologizing to me. But when he says that he fostered a toxic community (whether intentionally or not) and that he put a megaphone before some toxic-ass takes and amplified them, I don't feel like he's being insecure or like he's a slave to his audience or like it has anything to do with me.
The only people he vilified are people who are real world villains. They are at the end of the day keyboard bullies. Anyone who feels offended by it is telling on themselves
@@cocaineinmyvein I don't wanna defend Ian, but I'd tell you the same thing that anyone else will tell you. Neither I, you nor anyone else for that matter is the same after 5 years, we change our worldviews, opinions and beliefs rather fast, because we always learn from our mistakes and successes my guy.
@@Humongous_Hongonggolongus None of those matters, because guess what? there are plenty of people who didn't or have never used slurs. So, for you to act like this is a mistake, or act that he's some recovering alcoholic as if being a bigot isn't the easiest thing to avoid, is laughable and almost embarrassing.
@@chickennoodlesoup3301 he was clearly ironically using those slurs my dude. Tell me oh infallible one, have you not done something that you regret or cringe at, if you think about your past self?
i feel like ur going on the opposing side now, its his audience that responsible for their own actions ur arguing that art belongs only to the author when as soon as its created it isnt people will do whatever with it and that's on them.
What did I just watch? It’s very interesting to see ppl who aren’t affected by a type of content come out and say an apology wasn’t warranted. He literally took time to clearly state where he thought his content did harm and why he’s apologizing. There is nothing edgy about telling ppl it’s ok to use slurs which is what he did in his context back then. What a way to hit the mark with this video
If someone wants to apologize for something they did at one point and now they deem that thing as a bad thing.. let them apologize. The apology could just be them making amends and clearing their own mind.
except the apology isnt about all that, question is, why you care so much about a dudes reaction to someones apologies when you dont know shit about the context of that situation?
I think idubbz genuinely struggles with his actions in the past especially when its so well documented. Its like of every regretful thing you dod as a child is recorded, you are famous for it and made a living of it. I feel like the guilt for me would eat me up inside. This apology video was a way for idubbz to give himself closure from the past.
It's not that complex though. If he genuinely feels this bad, quit the space. If you climbed to the top of a shoe-production company by quite literally sabotaging other shoe industries, the only way you could possibly "absolve" yourself of this is to remove yourself from the space. You can't sit on your throne at the top and act like anyone who dares act as you acted to get where you were is now somehow morally reprehensible and use your growth as an excuse to prevent others from doing what you did. It's an absurd ideology.
@@Biggleboggles I swear charlie is way off target with this one. idubbbz clearly mentions that he realises it was foolish of him to think he had zero responsibility for the indirect consequences of his edgelord content, leaving it upto the teen audiences to be responsible about not using his content to validate their bigoted views. like it's genuinely admirable that he takes responsibility and apologises publicly like this and then charlie is all "technically you didn't have to" 😂
He's also probably scared that since he's only 30 this stuff will remain online forever so I'd he ever becomes mainstream popular again, those clips of him saying the N word will always haunt him, so I feel like he is pre-emptively addressing those , especially with creator clash becoming more and more popular, at some point he was going to have to face the music
@@crosshavoc1387 it does matter thou. If I don’t mean to hit someone with my car, I still killed someone if they died. Words matter and dubz alone helped cause a new generation of asshats just like leafy
@@crosshavoc1387 ok, so you can drive your car on the sidewalk with the intent of getting to work a little faster, the people you mowed down on the way won't matter because turning them into a series of stains on the concrete wasn't something you intended on doing my point is that your actions, whether they be casual bigotry or vehicular manslaughter, have consequences regardless of intent
@@hwowwhwooyour analogy is invalid. Drivin on a sidewalk is illegal and you will hit someone regardless. Making content about people being useless, Idiots or generally being annoying is not something that bad if at all.
It's such a ridiculous statement saying that changing your content over time is weak. What else should he have done? It's like Idubbbz is saying "sorry for not demonizing my own content sooner." I hate this "I should've done this sooner" energy too. The only reason he's making this apology is because of the hyper critical, doxxing, and cancelling nature that the internet has now.
@@duckhugger7692ugh gross. will not regret unsubbing from charlie. cant even tell what his values stand behind the camera but i can tell he is very ignorant
Yeah I'm slowly learning that Charlie is not quite the person I thought he was... Him not willing to be critical of bigotry/not realizing the impact even "casual" bigotry can have feels a little bit telling. Maybe it's him not wanting to reflect on himself/feeling vilified for having enjoyed said content in the past, I'm not sure, I obviously don't know how Charlie thinks, I don't know the man. But regardless I don't think I can continue to support him if he can't see why someone would want to apologize for doing obviously harmful things.
@@skellish this mentality is common among many people including youtubers. even mlk addressed these kinds of people, their mentality, and impact in his letter on what he called them: the white moderate.
Its really easy to pretend there was no harm done when you weren't the one being harmed
Isn't Critikal gay?
@@1mclv he’s not black tho. Black people were most affected by iddubz content. I mean, yeah he’s gay but before that he’s white and therefore wasn’t the target for the racism and bigotry. /nm
As a minority, no harm was done.
@@jhonklan3794 as a minority, harm was done
@@d0llst4r critikal is gay??
Being "ironically" racist can and will attract genuine racists.
And? So are you saying when a comedian jokes about certain subjects it attracts certain people? How's it the fault of the comedian?
But you should still be able to make jokes without being called racist, sexist, or whatever.
@@419chris419 no christ, Nido very clearly stated, 'Being "ironically" racist can and will attract genuine racists.'
Please show me where the word 'comedian' is used and also, show me where the comedy of saying slurs is.
@@charlietraynor-croft6393 im with you on this but the n-word kind of crosses a line in this day and age
@@nebbygetinthebag7263 they were making an analogy...
This is so tone deaf and I hate that you can't see the damage he's done and accept that he was wrong
what damage lmfao
Why are there so many crybabies whining about being damaged by words? It feels like I'm on Twitter.
What damage, I’m actually curious
What was the damage?
The people asking “what damage” obviously didnt watch the actual apology where he talks about very real instances of damage such as his interactions with fans and the harassment to his wife
There’s a big difference between actions that are cringe and those that are downright wrong and unacceptable
And idubbbz’s were just cringe.
Boohoo bro he said a joke 7 years ago that everyone made
@@meatystalactite531brother no, he literally ripped the Quran book in half💀
There’s an even bigger difference between jokes and actions
he killed an actual real life mouse. he knew there was a living animal inside the box he was chasing it ith his fist you can find the video easy
When I was in middle school groups of white boys would chase me down the halls screaming “n***** f*****” because it would make me cry. Without fail. My parents and grandparents and great grandmother would sit me down and tell me stories of slavery, bigotry, misogyny, r*pe and dehumanization. That is what those words carry. I understand not all people realize this is what these words carry. So people are speaking out about it. That’s what this is about. That is the harm that was facilitated. The ignorance and the weaponization of language under the guise of apathy. I don’t mean to lecture. Im just disappointed in this take. I understand that hatred wasn’t Ian’s intention, but it is nice he is willing to take responsibility. 2016 CZcams was awful for so many children of color and there was an impact. It all feels so counterproductive to undermine Ian’s apology and reflection. Him speaking on his turn to empathy is useful for people on the fence about things. It’s just disappointing to see this vid.
I respect you.
Thank you. Jesus fuck I was about to go insane seeing some of these replies. I’m a fan of Charlie but this was an absolutely shit take. I just saw a video that D’Angelo Wallace made and he did a good job of shooting down Charlie’s ignorance and reflecting on the impact that iDubbbz made on a huge generation of kids. Hearing Charlie say “you used those words for edgy shock humor,” and “you’re not a racist” takes a sledgehammer to everything that iDubbbz is apologizing for.
That is literally the biggest load of bullshit I've heard in a while. You have never tasted true bigotry your whole life.
This is absolutely the least convincing story I've ever read. 0/10
@@nooneimportant8157 why do you say that?
i am not black, but I am indigenous and people would call me slurs as a kid because they knew it affected me. I wasn't old enough to understand it completely, but I knew that those slurs were wrong and carried the stories of horrific acts my ancestors went through by colonizers. try to have some empathy
I don't think Charlie is fully grasping the impact iDubbbz content had on kids back in the day.
I did commit 79 war crimes due to his content yea, all of them were in call of duty but still
Charlie’s whole point is that it’s not his fault kids watched his clearly adult content because they had no parents monitoring them anyways and idubbz made videos for older people who were supposed to understand the nuance of using the slur like how South Park is technically two white guys saying the n word but trey Parker and Matt stone shouldn’t apologize either they just don’t do it anymore which is showing their understanding.
@@miguelsalazar1059 I know right? 🤣
Exactly. I literally had ppl in school come up to me in school and called me racial slurs all bc of ppl like Ian, Filthy Frank and Leafy. How does he not get it?
@@mxlcxlm1518 because thats such a isolated experience and frankly i just dont believe that was the only reason why, during middle and highschool (where they were at their biggest) i had been to 4 different schools and never had that kinda stuff happen because of fans of a youtuber
Why would you need to tell someone their apology is wrong?
To make sure it's actually genuine or serious.
To let them know they're overthinking things that don't actually matter, hypothetically speaking.
@@Tubeytime still an L take from Charlie tbh
@@troypowers750 that's not what he's doing here. He's telling idubzz that an apology not directed toward him in the first place wasn't necessary. Does that make any sense to you?
@@Tubeytimeso it doesn't matter that his content encouraged people to normalize the use of dehumanizing words, and that he now regrets that and wants to apologize to the people he affected for it?
I genuinely don't get it. This apology wasn't meant for people who weren't affected by his content in the past. Why do you feel the need to call it out if it doesn't affect you?
Unless you think you're one of the basement dwelling losers he called out?
i think this might literally be the only video from Charlie that's at all negatively recieved
fr all of those mad kids
@@user-do8rf3jg9rfor every right reason
@@user-do8rf3jg9rit’s justified, if you lived in a predominantly white area during the Idubbz area getting “ironically” called slurs and the N-word behind your back was supper common. Hearing it justified using the idubbz/leafy rhetoric was also common. Straight up racism and bullying, Heavily inspired by and carried out using idubbz arguments. He now realized this and apologized for it. He realized his legacy has both directly and indirectly cause so many kids to be unironically bullied, have slurs used against them. He had also directly radicalized many kids, causing them to turn into slur chucking racist edge lords, and he deeply regrets that. Charlie’s excusing him. L take from Charlie.
He tends to have bad takes because he goes through content too quickly
@@user-do8rf3jg9rno shhhtt they mad ain't no need to explain nothing to you causes I already know your ssttpid as ain't even gonna listen so whatever.😂🙄🙄😷
Making a 21 minute video about how his 10 minute apology was too much and unnecessary is peak irony.
that’s so funny😂i didn’t even peep
his apology was 17 mins
You don't understand the word irony, as there isn't a hint of it here. Watching and having a response or reaction to a long form statement isn't ironic, regardless of your feelings about it.
@@iggynub The irony comes from criticizing the long form statement's lack of conciseness in a fashion that is equally if not more long-winded and disrespectful to the viewer's time. It's the definition of irony.
@@iggynub the CEO of irony
really weird take to not accept an apology that wasn't for you to begin with
Where are you? Go look at any other comments section. Especially on any other social media. Nobody agrees with idubbbz, they think he's being a massive cock and that most of his videos weren't even that bad. Seriously most of them are him down speaking saying awful things.
Also they're just going to be re-uploaded right now. If you really want to grow then you accept your past
Right? And then to make another video basically doubling down is odd...
I’m usually eager to hear his takes on things like this but him being so ignorant is something I didn’t expect to hear
Idubz is apologizing to the community not just black people 🙄
@@mesaplayer9636 1. No one here mentioned black people and 2. Yes, he apologised for many things and specifically directed an apology to “black and minority people”
it feels like he didnt even watch the video at all....
Damn dude im a huge fan of yours and i happen to be black. Its tough watching you dismiss something that was tough for me to deal with. I get where your coming from but u arent part of the groups hes hurt dude. Please have some empathy
@@steveman751 media affects real life social aspects, while he might not have been harmed directly by ians content, the culture of bigotry he facilitated to his fans had lasting effects on others.
can you actually articulate why some person using the n word is tough for you to deal with? Like, is it because if they use it, it makes you think they do not respect your ancestors, and it bothers you when some internet person doesn't respect your ancestors? Or is it because you think it means he doesn't respect you, a person he's never met? Or what exactly am I missing? Or is it just a free sympathy pass that you get to use?
@@nGUNNARpno, it’s because he enables his fans to use this words against other people who DO get affected by it
@@nGUNNARp can you articulate why the n word has been considered a racial slur towards black people for centuries? Or are you completely removing any context to that word so you can pretend its some funny internet word that has no racist intent behind it?
@@steveman751 This is the problem, normalizing racism for people like you and labelling it edgy.
Charlie spends 20 minutes explaining why someone using the N word didnt hurt him personally 😂
You do know a lot of white people do get offended for other ethnicities. Be grateful Charlie isn't one of them.
And it hurt you? Words hurt you?
@@lordcchancleta9579 why be grateful for that? very pathetic take
@JoshuaWysocki-qr1py when the word pushes a white superiority complex i think it would hurt most people
@@Ethanbilski yes? do you not know how communication works?
He didn’t make an apology to satisfy some angry mob, no one was trying to cancel him. He did it because he knew it would get rid of the type of audience he doesn’t want around anymore and I get it.
He did it to get sympathy points from his PC crowd
Bruh they already left before that cringey apology lol
i agree, but he did also cultivate that audience and contribute to those people feeling validated and comforted in the way they act. as a black person, i saw firsthand how this kind of content resulted in casual racist jokes and any apology won’t make that impact he had go away
Actually there is currently an angry mob due to what happened with Creator Crash 2.
@@thatroxxguy you’re the type of ppl he’s trying to shake lmao sit n spin nerd
This is the first time ever I think I’ve seen everyone against Charles
this is like his only bad take
@@realskydiver777that and the way he would always glaze mr.beast but was dead quiet when they criticized him for his friend being a trans woman
@@adrianhernandez.j2956 I’m pretty sure he said something tho. But even if not, not saying something is different than saying something wrong
It’s the correct take
@@realskydiver777 he mentioned chris on a stream but didn’t exactly specify why he was getting hate. But Also he didn’t do a whole video about like he would always do with every other small mr beast drama.
While idubbz and his behavior were reflective of the times, I still feel like his apology was warranted wholeheartedly. One of those axe forgets but the tree remembers type of things. Damage is done either way so to try and reconcile is always welcome
It wasn't okay even then. The n-word was always racist. 😂
@@youforget1000thingsaday never said it was okay lol but you're right
Low impulse control does far more damage than idubbz making a joke.
Maybe the population "damaged" by the jokes needs to stop feeling sorry for themselves and get a job.
@@Sneedmiredude really? Are you a POC? Are you a member of the LGBTQ? Are you Jewish? Do you know how shitty it was to go to school and get targeted by the “edgy” kids who watched his videos and harassed those communities? He apologized because those same kids who watched his content went on to directly imitate his “edgy” persona and it did cause damage. Just because you didn’t experience it, doesn’t mean it wasn’t real.
And using the “need to get a job” thing is so 40 year old white housewife it’s stinky and lame be better.
@@Sneedmireme when racism is just minorities feeling sorry for themselves:
The fact he made all of these apologies and never once apologized for that haircut, that's more insane
Seriouslyy. That haircut is way more offensive than anything he has ever said
Yeah it's like the only thing that reminds me of old iDubbz lmao
@@hhaste let's be honest, a mullet is about as idubbz a haircut as possible.
i think it looks pretty sweet ngl
Kinda gay to judge someone's looks, fashion nerd
It’s not like he was a child when he was doing this stuff. He was a 28 year old man.
people get wise to shit at different rates. as he's addressed his social scope was limited compared to where it is now and his biggest period of growth was defined by encouragement and validation for whatever he was doing or saying at the time. people twice as old as him have identical views to what he had at 28 and worse yet what many people have at 17. look at Tate.
@@Lanooski True, but it’s just odd he suddenly got wise when CZcams started cracking down on harassment/language
@@benabroad8872 CZcams has been hammering down on edgy content for several years. It's not like that's a thing that just happened last month.
Ian is trying distance himself from his past self. And as a result he regrets many things he did, some of them which were not that bad. This can happen at any age in your life. I think it's far more harmful to not question yourself and justify your own behaviour unreasonably.
People who disliked what he used to do are just soft weird twitter people, apparently even now when he's trying to gain them as audience they still don't like him lol
@@Tibovl If he regrets it because YT are hammering down on it then he's not sorry. He's just a b'ch. Nothing he did harmed anyone. The only person to call him out on it is himself.
I genuinely dont understand this video even weeks later this whole video is just so strange. "never seen someone try and debunk an apology" is a good way to put it as I saw someone else in the comments say. Aswell as charlie just speaking on this at all since idubbz's apology was in no way directed at him💀
Charlie is just being real, fuck off
It’s so weird dude yeah of course he didn’t have to apologize but the fact that he did shows that he understands his negative impact and makes it so much more meaningful. This is such a basement dweller take no offense charlie
@@EnlargedPotato it’s not the fact he didn’t need to apologize. Charlie specifically says that’s fine. He SAID he shouldn’t have apologized for everything he did as a whole. The only things he should’ve apologized for was the slurs
I’m here like 4 months later just in awe lmao
CRY AND READ QURAN
Lotta over sensitive snowflakes in the comment section.
nope just people who disagree with charlie’s take
Rice literally picked on a woman who was assaulted… that’s absolutely worth being criticized on a large stage.
I don’t think he’s saying he didn’t do some things that were valid or warranted. He’s just not proud of what he’s made as a whole.
Idubbbz has clearly developed Alzheimer’s in his elderly age
Doesn’t take away from the fact that idubbbz was literally the spokesperson for a word that was uttered as black ppl were lynched, raped, etc.
But when it happens to a dude nobody gives a shit xd
@@LukeWeiner1 Words aren’t magic. Saying the word that was used during these events doesn’t make them happen again. The problem with slurs isn’t that they were historically used to demean people, its that they can amplify malicious messages towards these groups. If we operated on the basis that anything associated with something bad in the past is always bad, than environmentalism and wanting rights for animals is literally neo-nazism because Hitler was fond of these things. Also he wasn’t the “spokesperson” for this word.
It fills me with humanitarian faith that Charlie isn’t being blindly followed.
No, but idubbbz is.
He said naughty words and it was basically another Holocaust
Let's gooo
@@patrickkinnear8625 he is hitler basically.
Bc his audience is older and can think for themselves
Yeah, I may not agree with some comments but its a good thing to see a discussion
people crying in your comment section rn is hilarious
What?@@MvstWanted
my god people are crybabies, it's just words, don't watch or block someone if you dont like what someones says. who cares if someones black, asian, gay, whatevs man, no need for canceling, or other totalitarian means just because your feelings were hurt. if you think everyone is equal, it means there's no difference between any group, stop using identity politics
freedom of speech, it has downsides and upsides and everyone is equal it also means, feelings will be hurt but, still no bs of getting jailed or canceled for jokes, or "offensive speech" imo offensive speech is Woke propaganda, but i choose to ignore it and go on with my day, something very hard for many people, they like their stuff and think others should too or be jailed or canceled or not allowed to speak
controlled speech, it has downsides for some and only upsides for "protected groups" + getting jailed for what opinion you have/ say, aaah yes Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, need i say more? i guess this is what people want, eventho they claim to be "FREEDOM OF SPEECH" goddamn man, the double standards are getting out of hand
if you believe in equality, you believe that a white guy or asian guy can also talk about this, as Charlie did, if you have a problem or believe in white privelage you are in fact discriminating as you think a particular race or group can only speak about certain things, that's what Hitler did also. he favoured particular groups and took away rights from others "because of genetics" either stop the double standards or stop crying about it.
If you unironically say "woke propaganda" you're a loser, plain and simple.
you wrote a whole essay defending this man lmfao get a fucking grip 😂 go outside
You’re the only one crying lmao
this is a concerning take on someone owning up to their actions and trying to improve themselves. unless you were one of the people his jokes were directed at, you won’t get it. his content very much normalized the use of many slurs and similar things. im glad that he’s changing for the better
Nah bring it back
@@lunar-_-moon ok edgelord
He got ass blasted into infinity after the Sam Hyde video lmao
i don’t understand charlie for this. Like i was on yt when this stuff was popular and other people didn’t feel like it was just ‘edgy’ humor. It wasn’t *acceptable* with a lot of the people at time so for him to act like it was just because it was common just feels really weird and dishonest. people probably didn’t criticize it as much back then because it felt pointless when you’d get dogpiled or worse for pointing it out
@@chucksneedlee it's the fact that he's making a strawman in the apology video rather than addressing the main criticism he's receiving, which is the froggy fresh and sam hyde situation.
It wasn't 2016 edginess my dude, it was 2016 bigotry
Surprisingly, using slurs to belittle and bully people hasn't ever been okay. Influencing a generation of young kids to bully and belittle people using slurs has also never been okay. Not in 2016, and definitely not now.
Like, I hate the "it was a different time" argument when we all know being an inconsiderate, bullying, badmouthing person has actually never been okay and only appealed to the worst parts of privileged people as "humor". Humor at the expense of other people. Aka bullying through racism, homophobia, and ableism.
Like it wasn't edgy, the time wasn't that long ago, and I wish more of the dudes in that group apologized tbh
Imagine being so weak minded and pathetic that you think COMEDY CZcams VIDEOS create harm. Only someone MISERABLY susceptible to bad emotions would think of comedy this way. You need to grow up or everything will make you crawl in a ball and cry like a loser.
@@BDGLS I wholeheartedly agree
@@BDGLS it was a better time
Specify?
Critikals’s normie reddit fanbase turned on him lmao
the people in the comments are defending the new idubbbz who literally pissed and shit himself over sam hyde possibly coming to his event
I don't think he did this out of a place of obligation, he did it because it was making him uncomfortable. This apology video *was* the video he wanted to make, essentially.
he did it because his “wife’s” boyfriend told him to*
Can't it be both? That he feels guilty for the pain he has caused, and therefore obligated to address it?
@@slothschewgum Source?
I agree. The fact he’s more critical of himself than others are of him is not surprising, it’s human. If I did something I saw as bad, I am going to be the one to carry that full burden of guilt, but anyone else will just see it as another thing
@@OriNyte me
Just putting in my 2 cents about Charlie's "I don't think it harmed anyone" comment. As someone who had to deal with white friends I was in school with getting too comfortable with throwing N-bombs after I naively gave the pass to them, then throwing the idubbbz "either all of it's okay or none of it's okay" quote when I told them that I'm no longer comfortable with incessant their use of the N-word, I wish he hadn't made those videos, even as a fan of his back in that day. The flagrant crossing of my boundaries by classmates was certainly not helped by the culture generated by his content.
Your experience is not irrelevant…. Idubbbz did not have anything to do with a couple dipshit white kids you happened to be around using that word….. period…… maybe reconsider the next time YOU tell people it’s okay to say that around you…..
It’s called the bell curve of humanity,,,, most people of ANY NATIONALITY suck….
Ugh I can’t stand that quote anymore ive heard it so many times
That was your dumb self for allowing them to disrespect you not Idubbz fault
The point is should he really be responsible for the actions of others it’s obvious his videos where constructed in the confides of satire and irony as is most comedy it’s not like he specifically told people to say it or promote it
It really is all okay or none of it is. Your race is the same as all others
There are so many straight teenage white girls with special pronouns in this comment section lmfao
fr, actually the most disgusting comment section on this channel. people should never hate someone for having a different, harmless opinion.
thank you for saying it
the only people who saw this apology as "needed"
@@starlightrains
But where's the hate?
Man, reading the comments of all these snowflakes getting hurt over words makes me lose hope in humanity.
We shall retake this comment section
You don’t get it lmao
lmao ur fucking lost
This feels more like a personal confession. It doesn't seem to me like the entire point was to apologize to the people, but also just to get this off his chest since it's been bothering him so long, and it's like to set the record straight for people because his old self isn't what he wants to project to the world anymore.
He's made about 6 videos so far where he does this, he is just repeating himself at this point
I just find it very weird how he wants to separate himself from his old content but also clings onto it so tightly. He's removed content cop, but all the bad unboxings which still include the hateful rhetoric he's distancing himself from is still sitting on his page untouched. The one thing I just find so weird is that in the last boxing match, we walked into the ring with a boxing coat (or whatever it's called) designed after his "I'm Gay" elf costume, which clearly is just a callback to his old videos and only panders to his old audience.
Its kind of like kim wexler from
Better call saul
@macicoinc9363 I can understand why though. People don't want to let go of of their vilification of his old persona.
You can’t just decide how people perceive you. He has most definitely changed as a person, he went from a brash opinionated edge lord to a disingenuous, insecure, pussywhipped, spineless, (I could go on forever) Clinton-esque cretin.
His new doc series he tried to reinvent himself with is just as lowbrow as his old content. Getting on his high horse, pretending he’s a legit filmmaker, while sneak dissing and exploiting his interviewee (daxflame, airsoftfatty). He couldn’t pin down Sam and exploit him so he resents him, hates him. Ian has shown his true colors yet he’s so stubbornly senseless he can’t see how much he’s portraying himself as someone who severely lacks in integrity and grit
An unprompted apology from an honest person is more valuable than any other apology video/statement on the internet
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a heartfelt apology on this app before so it’s kinda crazy. I knew it wasn’t coming but I was still waiting for the “*sniff* guys….. its been so hard to make this video…”
unprompted?? hes been getting railed online ever since the boxing event.......this was very much prompted lmao
@Nark Formost lmao people changed and left you behind, you do you but don't cry about others
@@DaFifaKid I didn't know about that
It wasn't unprompted. He did this because of the CC2 drama.
I love seeing people bitch in this comment section. Very hilarious to see that people aren't allowed to have opinions and make content about those opinions. Just because he isn't the target in the apology doesn't mean he can't talk about it.
And as a viewer of old idubbbz who now associates myself with the LGBTQ+ community, I don't feel like my life is threatened or hurt by his videos. I don't understand this mentality.
nobody said hes not allowed and its perfectly acceptable to criticize him and his opnion based on what youve been saying, go kick rocks.
Finally, I salute you sir👌💪
To be fair, this is the most sincere and genuine apology video on the entire goddamn platform.
People think the fact he doesn't actually remove the videos makes it insincere
I disagree with that idea but I understand where it's coming from
Yeah? Why then since he wants to disown his actions, he doesnt go out and donate all the money hes made from the old videos? Talk is cheap
Yall are just easily satisfiable people, sort of person that belives short videos
@@end.olives basically yeah...and to keep the same name associated with hate and bigotry therefore triggered all those affected....talk is cheap indeed.
Charlie really underestimates how much of an effect iddubbz had on the online community
Not even just online you couldn’t present any type of fruity w/ out hearing “what are you fuckin gay” from other kids in school 😭 and I watched him too 💀
@@gabriellelister7669sounds like good times
@@gabriellelister7669 yeah it's funny to say that and still is
I think you overestimate. People have been vehemently offensive in the most vile ways for over a decade before idubbz showed up. They never slowed down or ramped up just because another edgy youtuber showed up. They simply took that as a place where their edgy humor was welcome. He didn't create any new edglords. He just gave them another place to be edgy.
@@WrangleMcDangle it’s cool when it’s in a group who’s cool w/ it. Going up to a stranger cause you think they’re gay and saying that is not funny. That’s being a dick. There’s a diff.
At the end of the day he feels like he made a mistake and is man enough to admit that
So many hypersensitive crybabies in this comment section LMFAO 🤣
🤮🤮🤮
ok furry
@@Burst644 I’m glad you agree :)
And BTW, not all of us furries are hypersensitive liberals. I’m actually a libertarian-leaning centrist.
I’ve never seen anyone try to debunk an apology
Very reductive take, clown
@@Ozhull it’s not a take it’s what he did
"debunk" he just called it fake and garbage, which it actually is
@@Nanamin69 apologizing for saying the n word isn’t garbage
Flombiggies!
never in my life did i think iDubbbz would get in drama in 2023
My farts are better than Charlie’s farts.
I feel raw and rashed up below
Athen Booth
Comment speed run
Quite the throwback
Holy sh*t this comment section is sensitive as fu*k.
Ong bru like Idubbz made racist comments towards my people in the past but I didn’t care shit was funny asl.
cry about it
To be fair his content cop on leafy was fair game tho, leafy’s content was horrible and far worse than his content
his content definitely had a much bigger impact on kids than you think back then. The same way ishowspeed is impacting todays generation of kids.
@@Gamfluent two things can be true at the same time my guy
@@Gamfluent I was 15 when idubbz started doing content cops. Everyone in my school would watch his shit, and slurs became regular vocabulary for most in my year. Although I don't blame Ian for this, like he said in his video, there is some amount of accountability for his audience, as kids and teenagers are very impressionable.
I still think most of his content was great don't get me wrong but normalizing slurs is definitely not a good thing. He obviously wasn't racist or homophobic, neither were most saying it in my school, but none the less shouldn't be said in such a casual way.
@@Gamfluentyeah but by that knowledge then dont blame the internet when your kids become a disaster.
@@Gamfluent sure they did.... then stop comparing your lifestyle to others then.
It really didn’t. Charlie is 100% right. Toxic people there were there because they were toxic. He wasn’t nearly close to what ishowspeed does today.
With all due respect Charlie, I don't think Ian was worried he hurt folks like you and me with his "former catchphrase".
How can anybody seriously listen to this group of twitch streamers and think "These people are intelligent, I plan to listen to them!"
or hes worried youtube no longer will be profitable if his image is that of his "former"
@@buddy3852 Yeah none of them seem too sharp
The world would be better off if people tossed away the shackles of allowing words to hurt them, and that’s a fact.
@@joeyjojoshabbadoo8153just like the shackles that held the slaves arms back in the day huh?
When tf did everyone become so damn soft?
@@idvn08 imagine proving my point while thinking “damn, I’m eating rn”
@@idvn08 I don’t have empathy for people who get offended by obvious jokes coming from a guy who does things like run around in a ridiculous green body suit, eat peaches off the sewer floor, and jump into wheelchairs from truckbeds. If you do, that’s your problem.
@@Nolan-Boinah for real though why is everyone so soft? Nobody and I mean absolutely no one was complaining about his content in 2015-2017. Everyone just wants to be self righteous to inflate their ego these days and the top comments on this video all prove that. It’s like how twitter tried to cancel Sean Connery after he died it’s just embarrassing.
Oh it’s mr tough guy over here. Everyone look! It’s strong billy. I’m sure “Nolan” has been affected by this in some way
@@Nolan-Boilol that’s a solid take
Why did people hate this video? Charlie was right
Mentally ill twitter users have brigaded it, the average person doesn't think like this
@ergwertgesrthehwehwejwe his entire comment section under this and the L Take video are full of Twitter people saying "idubbbz changed", "you didn't grow up" strawman arguments, Hasan fans etc. It's actually insane that these people exist. Hell, they probably blame video games for making people violent if that's the case.
Leftoids and black people hate this video because they worship idubbbz new "grown up humour" and liberal anti racist ARC.
Regardless of the side of an issue you're on, expressing regret for your past is totally normal. Power to him for seeing something he doesn't like about himself, and deciding to change.
@The Wandering k huh?
@The Wandering k what are you on?
@The Wandering k ...what
@Puzzle Pottage This and the fact he was 27 when he was in his heydays
@@CultishLamb took me exactly 5 seconds to google it, he's not wrong
this is like your friend apologizing to you about something and then someone who had nothing to do with the situation completely ignoring your feelings and being like “no no don’t apologize to them you should keep doing what ur doing!!!”
yeah when he said it was “just edgy” about racism normalization. Hate on all groups that come with a slur I had to check the video again… am I really watching charlie react to idubz apology?
Shows how toxic Charlie is
yeah, except your friend isn't even apologising to you, they're apologising to the people that actually were affected and you butt in to say nah its all good
@@77768 and what about the content of idubbbz was normalization of racism? his point was people give words too much power. ironcally those bitching about using the n-word without context were the first using in a racist hateful way like Tana . you can think it's wrong to use the word but don't pretend it's the same as using to a black person to insult them based on their race or use it on all people.
@@doomedallweare5014 read what you said again… you’re contradicting yourself. If you’re a racist just own up to that don’t try to compare something bad to something ungodly & be like “see in contrast it’s not that bad”. That’s disgusting that you have to take it that far to justify it. The n word is above all a derogatory term with a dark history behind it. It’s bad as it is. it’s not “just a word”
If you were offended by Idubbbz videos, good. Get stronger
Are you white?
@@player2214 Doesn’t fucking matter😂
@@samperrin7965 it does. If you were, you get why content like his made your life actively worse.
If you were offended by someone making fun of your dead relative, good. Get stronger
Holy sht the comment section is a huge lefty eco chamber tf
Yeah, man, Charlie is sticking up for Ian. But what the left wants is public humiliation (stuggle session). That's why they don't want Chalie sticking up for Ian.
It's kinda scary, like cult shit tbh.
If you're not the one being affected by an ordeal, your opinion on it is irrelevant. It's like a European giving their "opinion" on 9/11, saying that it wasn't that bad and that Americans are overreacting because it happened in the past. Doesn't f*cking matter what you think, Mr. Teabag. It was bad for Americans.
And if you think rejecting the use of slurs is "lefty" behavior, you're just a shitty person. I'm right-leaning and know that being racist for giggles from other White people isn't funny.
@@lianadotjpeg If your suggesting idubbz was saying the n word in order to pander to racists, you are completely misunderstanding what he was about. He was using the word to prove a point that either all slurs are ok, or none of them are. Of course he didn't need to use the n word to prove that point, but to say he was just using the word because "racism funny" is dishonest. There is absolutely no problem with idubbz deciding to not use the n word in his newer videos, but labeling him and anyone who liked his old videos as racist is a very shallow thing to do, it shows the lack of understanding of where he was coming from.
TL;DR I don't think he should have used the slurs, but calling him and his old followers racist is reductive and petty.
Alternate title: I Can Excuse Racism, but I Draw the Line at Animal Cruelty.
lmao i remember when he did his celebrity tier list and one guy (football player i think) had a dog fighting ring and critikal and matt were talking/joking about how much they hate animal abuse compared to “more serious” crimes
When was idubbz racist though lol
@@greensabr200 a good vhunk of his youtube career 🙄
@@allybrookeaf79 so everyone who ever used the word cracker is also racist
@@greensabr200 you win the award for dumbest question asked in a CZcams comment section
i promise if you ever met an average preteen idubbbz fan in 2016, you wouldn't say his content/impact wasn't damaging LOL
Those kids would've acted like that regardless of whether or not they consumed Idubbz's content, m8. You're making the "video games cause violence" argument here.
@@cksupreme Normalization of using slurs and spouting casual bigotry leads to negative impacts of the community directly affected historically by said slurs and bigotry.
Idubbbz didn’t make them. They’re the kids that were calling you a f** in cod game chat in 2010 why are y’all acting like someone in 2016 created that it’s just internet culture by 2016 it was dying
@@Asmodeuslvr what a load of horseshit
@@cksupreme not remotely the same dude. or are you trying to argue that young children and teenagers will not emulate what they see their role models doing? like is that seriously what you're trying to imply? because one of the most basic things to understand about kids is that they are extremely impressionable.
this comment section is hilarious. The amount of softies in this comment section is crazy
You're so cool and manly
Most of the are not even subscribers just came here to share their precious criticism and thoughts with us lmao
@@zh.4394They came from twitter and reddit lol they don’t care they just want to bitch about it
@@-Scrapper-fr, a real sigma
You guys are acting like idubbbz invented racism
k but he indeed was a racist.
Your acting like nothing happened..
he didn’t invent it, but he did encourage the use of slurs towards black people in his content
@@deathgripped not toward black people, I don't think he ever directed "slurs" to a black person, he just obviously felt he could use the word nigga and nigger, i think partly to fit in and partly to be free. But still, not cool if you didn't at least grow up around black people.
It’s the same as people saying that violent video games make killers, if you guys all repeated these slurs by watching his videos, that’s on you, not him. He shouldn’t have to apologize for that
At the end of the day Charlie is still a Florida man
not an excuse
@ieatalot ok? but that's giving white men leeway to act like they can't control them being dumb and ignorant
@ieatalot idk, Ian seems pretty ok (now). It shouldn't have taken a grown man to be on the receiving end to get it, but at least he gets it now. That seems to be miles ahead of Charlie
@@arshiiia
Who said it was-? You've missed the joke here, Florida is known for being bigoted atm. That's the point.
@@BloodInTheStrawberries ok my bad
My perspective is this: I don’t think idubbbz should apologize for criticizing other creators, but I think it’s good that he’s apologizing for HOW he did it.
Yuppp. He even says in the video: "I still don't like you guys" to all the content cop subjects
The way he did it wasn't wrong. He had nothing to apologize for.
Agreed. I don’t think Idubbz was apologizing for criticizing people though.
This!
The way he did it wasn't even bad. Ian is saying that he made himself seem better than everyone else but like Charlie pointed out he never actually gave that impression.
The internet is too soft these days man, Charlie is right, cry about it nerds
the Internet is too accepting of racism and bigotry, go cry about it freak.
@@me61840 Yeah, like 7 years ago. Nowadays, it's too sensitive. If you make one dark joke, people would abolish you to the 9th circle of hell. And now that I think about it, 7 years ago, the US wasn't as focused on race. And it wasn't as close to being racist as it is today.
He feels so bad but yet those videos are still up
Things don't need to be huge, massive, unforgiviable problems for people to apologise for them.
except for when they're bad things like you know telling people that saying slurs is okay
Sure but let’s not act like racism *isn’t* a huge problem. Like yeah, no one’s getting killed from him saying the n-word and telling his audience that it’s okay for them to as well, but it does create an unsafe and unwelcome environment for black people on the platform, and in turn, in real life as well, and that issue shouldn’t be trivialized.
@@cookiesncream9158 agree with this 100%, but i think the og comment was just countering how charlie started the video. like when he said “ian wasn’t killing puppies” like obviously but that doesn’t mean he can’t apologize for it. ykwim? i don’t think og comment was saying racism isn’t a big problem (because it definitely is) they were just countering charlie’s argument
@@senopai.8377 yeah yeah fs fs, I wasn’t tryna imply that og doesn’t see racism as a huge issue, I agree with everything they said, I just thought it was worth mentioning because that it could definitely be read that way.
@@cookiesncream9158 oh oki !! ❤️
He didn't make an apology to satisfy some angry mob, no one was trying to cancel him.
He did it because he knew it would get rid of the type of audience he doesn't want around anymore and I fucking get it.
Not even a week ago he was in drama for fucking over another youtuber and it brought up his past.😊😅
@@poopyscoopy6984 to be fair, they had it coming. this kind of shit was probably hanging over Ian's head for a long time and that dragged all of it back to the surface and he felt like he HAD to get it off his chest.
He did it because his wife and the other drama he's involved with, where he is acting objectively terrible and two faced.
Yeah, and I think that his apology is a perfect example of how the right's idea of "cancel culture" is BS. Ian wants to change and be better, and most people are giving him the space to. The only people at his neck are the ones who he left behind as he grew and are terrified by the thought that he could be right about being wrong.
He did it because his channel is practically dead and he needed some more publicity for his fighting events going forward.
He is entirely missing the point of idubbbz's apology.
Bro lived long enough to be come the villan
doubt that
Shout out to all the people in the comments who actually understood where iDubbz was coming from, and could think critically about his apology.
i still don’t get how both videos charlie made on this subject were so fucking braindead. like what the fuck.
😹
Nah, we all got the message. He's just wrong. And it's really weird to be speaking over a person on their own actions. Especially when you were obviously never affected by any of the wrongdoing. That's super weird. He did not need to speak on this.
lol none of yall are thinking critically. You have an ideological stance and nothing will move you from it.
you are talking about the small minority, that know that idubbbz is coming from a place of simping and lack of integrity and dignity? the irony is too massive once you see the big picture, but people are simple and they just need to listen to pretty words instead of reasoning to come to conclusions, hense the reason they keep electing the same type of shitty presidents... you d think the new generation is better than that, but over here its still full of people who are easy to get manipulated with pretty words and dont really have the capability to form their own opinions, at least talking for the ones that arent just hasty to comment over coming across a couple of selective or wrong info
Of course you don’t see the scope of the damage Idubbz had because you’re not on the receiving end.
uhh uhh muh mean words
i dont really get what's going on in the comment section here.
this was barely an appology it was a way to fight back the people who say they miss the old iddubz, many people from the 2015 crew like maxmofoe and chad and many others like ksi or even pewdiepie slowly changed their content in different ways without having to shit on their old fans (who also were young and edgy and also might've grown out of it).
You dont need to dedicated 2-3 videoes and go podcast after podcast to appologies for being edgy 8 to 9 years ago when everyone else was.
you dont see all of the 2016 edgelords saying they'll never forgive themselves for being edgy 8 years ago.
be realistic.
@@infoscrolls Preteen youtube commenter doesn't think bigotry is real. More news at 11.
Yeah, that's how perspectives work? It's why empathy exists to help us understand each other in ways some might not have personally experienced but we can still understand each other and try to make some positive change for those who are affected negatively
@@vindikaktus cope
This generation is so damn soft
Yes wtf. I can't believe the soyness in here
It's soft to not have racism normalized? You boomers are such clowns
God forbid people not having the same humor as me.
Holy shit I know. I’ve been scrolling through and it’s just hordes of perma-online people.
So many twitterites in these comments.
yeah
I know this is corny AF but it takes a lot more guts to be that sincere and humble than to be a trashy edgelord
It's not corny, it's true
Showing vulnerability is way cooler than hiding behind a shell of edginess and hate
@@DylanDrinksWater Pussying out of making harmless jokes isn't cool.
Frfr he has my respect for that
@@peacemaster8117 except they’re not harmless. Saying slurs is hurtful to a lot of people
@@peacemaster8117“harmless” TO YOU
That doesn’t mean funny or “harmless” to everyone.
Charlie is acting like this apology video was made directly for him lol
Well, to be fair. He did put Situation in the title. But lol
I think this is striking a little close to home for Charlie. This is a commentary channel, not that different from what content cop was but less produced
@@Homer92 yeah it does feel like that might be why Charlie is having this defensive sort of response
Yeah I think this must be hitting a little close to home for Charlie... It sounds like - I could be wrong. - he's almost defending himself in some way
@@Homer92 you really need to stop projecting your thoughts on people you don't know besides what they post on the internet.
I honestly feel like back then, idubbbz just got more and more edgy cause his community would push him and he either never stopped out of fear of losing his audience or just being desensitized
I mean still his fault you could stop at any moment using racism for clout is kind of a poopy move
@@ANationalguy I never said it was good, I’m just saying that there could be another reason than being edgy for the sake of being edgy
@@a7x_nomadiceagle482 Don’t really care if there’s another reason, Doesn’t really change what he did
Or maybe it was funny.
grow up@@ANationalguy
Im even more convinced his girlfriend is behind all of this.
Is it really so hard to accept that Ian just changed as a person that you have to pin it on a ridiculous scapegoat. Also, his wife was with him during both the keemstar and tana mongeau CC’s.
@@viper7454the same wife who said it was her idea for the Tana video? Then idubbz said it was all his fault for it? The same wife that stalked one guy for a few years and manipulates her audience (the same way new idubbbz fans say idubbbbz created a toxic environment) for her liking? That wife?
Honestly I think if he wants to apologize for something he regrets, there’s nothing wrong with that.
I agree for sure taking acountability and appologizing is important. I just feel he's looking at everything with rose tinted glasses. The part about slurs, and hate speech 1000% agree on how he's appologizing for it. However take that away and much of the content disecting keemstar and other really bad actors, nothin wrong with that. At the end of the day it is his call and I think people throwing a hissy fit over it are stupid, but I think he is over correcting hard
Hate speech is just speech
@@grantconnolly4628that’s what I’m saying, and you just see his new fans saying that the content cops were unnecessary when it objectively made the site better. People just can’t appreciate what he did at the time anymore. Hate the double slit catchphrase tho made him sound like an idiot
@@emelgizzybruh2058 “objectively made the site better” i don’t think you know what objectively means brother
It feels like he's going through a 12 step program and this is one of the steps, apologizing for past mistakes
IDubbbz making an apology while looking like an 80s movie cop was pretty funny lmao.
Dude is looking kinda rough, like a cross between a deep-Appalachian redneck and your average overnight gas station clerk
Kurtis Connor twin
@@bluz1864 Yuh
80's GAY PORN movie cop.
Hey, the moviecop community is now seriously hurt. Please dont make fun of them. I demand an apology.
People being mad at Charlie for this is the most pathetic thing I’ve seen in a while, y’all need to log off Twitter
Charlie is the one being pathetic. 🤡
You blindly follow him.
I don't get the backlash charlie is getting in the comments. His main point is just justifying the need for criticism in general. Other than that he's agreeing with Ian just downplaying the severity of his actions
I’ll miss the food reviews in the sewer the most.
He confirmed he’ll still be doing them in the pinned comment of his apology I’m pretty sure
YOU BITE THE PEACH THE PEACH BITES BACK
@@Keurgui1 THE PICKLES
@@Keurgui1 lmaoo
Haha classic.
He isn't doing it for you Charlie he's doing it for himself.
common boter sause W
Yeah he is ruining his life sure
@@KiwiHavok777 charlie's take was dumb but not life ruining bro relax
@@inmyhead00 Lmfao 💀
Doing*
Ppl don't realize what an abusive relationship is
the fact that this video did so horribly is surprising what happened 💀
Wdym
It has over 3 million views. What are you smoking?
@@Captain_Insano_Shows_No_Mercy I’m talking about the comments lol everyone is mad
@@thecov3n yeah ur right lmao. Moistcritixal is being biased asf bcs it’s iddubz. If anyone on the internet now was posting insensitive, racist, homophobic content, he would be gawking on a moral high ground. But for some reason it was okay for iddubz to do so? Ye he trippin
@@tommygoncalves9569 Maybe form your own thoughts instead of regurgitating someone else's. Read books and shit
As a black man myself used to really liked Idubbz and I used to think a lot of his racist shock humor was funny. However, that person who use to find that funny also enabled others to make racist remakes about them because they wanted to fit in. Being in my 20’s I can now see how damaging casual racist jokes were to my self image and how I saw other black people were. Racist humor whether with good attentions or not still place a seed of bigotry that can grow into many things. Hate, depression, self doubt, confusion. Bigotry can do a lot when promoted which is why I personally am glad Idubbz understands the impact he could have had and why those jokes were so harmful
This comment is a real one ☝️
Same, as a pan poc girl, I used to think I was cool for liking his content. It also ruined my self image and I basically hated myself with everything I agreed with. I’m 20 now and I hate who I used to me, it caused me irreparable damage that I tried so hard to fit in with some guys and even some girls. I’m glad there’s a bunch of us who know the impacts he had.
Comment i left on idubbbz video: "To be honest Ian, your content did influence a lot of kids to be rather horrible. Anecdotal but nonetheless I experienced A LOT of bullying and harassment from people i considered friends and outside of them directly referencing your content. Discussions about your content, discussions about the use of certain words, were all justified because Idubbbz said so. I was one of the only black student at my high school and the only one in my year group. It was isolating enough to be a different skin colour, but further isolating when people around me started blurting n- f-, or saying those things to my face. No amount of appealing to these kids could save me from the torment. People say blame the parents, blame the so and so, but i want people to understand that Ians content played a role, it contributed and exacerbated the intensity of my treatment. All for what man"
Wow, this is a perfect example of self reflection done right. It’s good that you accept yourself bro
@@solomon2532 bro you can't blame idubbbz content for you being bullied really can't
Ive gotta say its shocking to me that a man can scream the n word in someone's face, apologise for it 7 years later and somehow its the apology that people consider "controversial"
Tana had called him out for using the n word after she ahead used it 10 billion times herself so idubbbz said what he said he wasn’t “screaming the n word” in anyone’s face lmao
@@christhomas3035 brother you obviously didn't watch enough of his content, he had full videos defending the use of the n-word
Must of watch it with eyes closed
And even Charlie, who usually has decent takes on this stuff, then tells us that it wasn’t hurtful or hateful for him to say the n-word. Extremely rare Charlie L
@@Notlordstark context always matters, granted, not a nice word but he never used it in a harmful matter compared to Tana. Not defending it but context always matters.
Imo, whether he's being fair with himself or not (I never watched his stuff so idk, I'll take his word for it) I think it's good reflect on the fact he (apparently) made content that can be understood as very emotionally negative (even for laughs.)
That being said I think Charlie can have an opinion about the apology and make points about things he doesn't have a clear understanding of. I'd actually like to see them talk face to face and clear up what iDubz meant.
everyone in here chirping about how bad charlie’s take was while he’s more genuine than 99% of other content creators bro makes one controversial take and the comment section is in disarray
It’s how genuine he is what the problem is. This really showed his colors.
@@Imnotthebomb "This really showed his colors." It was one bad take, holy hell.
@@TKdrizzle well apparently one bad take is enough to make people unsubscribe from him and not like him anymore
@@Imnotthebomb Yeah well, those aren't his real fans.
@@Imnotthebomb Stop embarrassing yourself. Go make another Mario Movie meme video, I sure could use the 2nd hand cringe.
Ok, but counterpoint: as a former iDubbz viewer, I felt 0% vilified by his apology. I didn't feel like he was calling me out, nor accusing me of anything. I feel like I, much like he, grew up and learned what was okay and what was too far. I can't speak on his apology because he isn't apologizing to me. But when he says that he fostered a toxic community (whether intentionally or not) and that he put a megaphone before some toxic-ass takes and amplified them, I don't feel like he's being insecure or like he's a slave to his audience or like it has anything to do with me.
The only people he vilified are people who are real world villains. They are at the end of the day keyboard bullies. Anyone who feels offended by it is telling on themselves
Lmao "grew up". This dude is in his 30s, and the content we're talking about was 6-7 years ago.
@@cocaineinmyvein I don't wanna defend Ian, but I'd tell you the same thing that anyone else will tell you. Neither I, you nor anyone else for that matter is the same after 5 years, we change our worldviews, opinions and beliefs rather fast, because we always learn from our mistakes and successes my guy.
@@Humongous_Hongonggolongus None of those matters, because guess what? there are plenty of people who didn't or have never used slurs. So, for you to act like this is a mistake, or act that he's some recovering alcoholic as if being a bigot isn't the easiest thing to avoid, is laughable and almost embarrassing.
@@chickennoodlesoup3301 he was clearly ironically using those slurs my dude.
Tell me oh infallible one, have you not done something that you regret or cringe at, if you think about your past self?
No one was trying to go after him. He just apologized and changed cause he regretted it. This is genuine.
he grew a small and petty person, he regressed
Lol
@@jujuteuxOfficial facts
Yeah, I am sure that his business and his girlfriend have nothing to do with it.
I think he is genuinely confused
people forget to think it, dream it and do it
words are words are words, cry about it if you will
So “hi” is the same as “fuck”? You know for dang sure that that isn’t how this works
@@tracark2255 or you could just not care whatsoever, if that hurts you so much i guess thats your issue
@@Fiszy that would be easy to do if i was white. you have no idea how that word feels like being used to you.
@@tracark2255 also this doesnt disprove anything i said, hi and fuck are both words
@@Fiszy both words with entirely different meanings and history. Stop playing dumb
What an unbelievably stupid take to have on the RARE occasion someone tries to take responsibility for their shitty behavior
i feel like ur going on the opposing side now, its his audience that responsible for their own actions ur arguing that art belongs only to the author when as soon as its created it isnt people will do whatever with it and that's on them.
@@sometimeslol5578 bro that doesn't even make sense
Nothing shitty about being funny
@@StuffAndMemes *Nothing funny about being shitty. Fixed the typo for you, bud.
@@safia5740 refer to the concept of "death of the author"
Ain't no way this is real 💀
What do you mean
What do you mean
Right.. he missed w this shit
I think I’m this case he 100% needed to acknowledge it I’ve been wondering about his stance on his old shit for years
What did I just watch?
It’s very interesting to see ppl who aren’t affected by a type of content come out and say an apology wasn’t warranted. He literally took time to clearly state where he thought his content did harm and why he’s apologizing.
There is nothing edgy about telling ppl it’s ok to use slurs which is what he did in his context back then. What a way to hit the mark with this video
It’s very interesting to see ppl who were not affected by a type of content AND IN MIDDLE SCHOOL when it came out say an apology WAS warranted
If someone wants to apologize for something they did at one point and now they deem that thing as a bad thing.. let them apologize.
The apology could just be them making amends and clearing their own mind.
Nah, he just realized he can't make money on it anymore. In the proper context, his content was fine.
@@user-fz3sz2dj4r not even in 2014 context was it totally fine. he’s always been seen as edgy, even he knows that
except the apology isnt about all that, question is, why you care so much about a dudes reaction to someones apologies when you dont know shit about the context of that situation?
he did he never said he couldnt he just said it feels idiotic he cannot stop him for apologizing his opinion is on the apology itself 🤦🏼♀️
@@user-fz3sz2dj4r plus that shit was funny asf
iDubbbz's apology is the first youtube apology that comes from actual regret, which i respect
So he should stop profiting from those videos
🧐Ain't no way he said content cop was based on 'lackluster criticisms'!
That's what relationships do to people. Beware!
@@catbeans4685 He literally unlisted them.
his apology just comes from the gaslighting from his wife. she’s the puppet master now
this isnt regret, its guilt. Someone in his life, whom he cares for deeply it seems, is making him feel massively guilty over this.
old idubbz was just his humiliation ritual lol
People need to stop apologizing for words.
I think idubbz genuinely struggles with his actions in the past especially when its so well documented. Its like of every regretful thing you dod as a child is recorded, you are famous for it and made a living of it. I feel like the guilt for me would eat me up inside. This apology video was a way for idubbz to give himself closure from the past.
Which was the point o his video, and apology. Charlie didn’t seem to like that
It's not that complex though. If he genuinely feels this bad, quit the space. If you climbed to the top of a shoe-production company by quite literally sabotaging other shoe industries, the only way you could possibly "absolve" yourself of this is to remove yourself from the space. You can't sit on your throne at the top and act like anyone who dares act as you acted to get where you were is now somehow morally reprehensible and use your growth as an excuse to prevent others from doing what you did. It's an absurd ideology.
@@Biggleboggles I swear charlie is way off target with this one. idubbbz clearly mentions that he realises it was foolish of him to think he had zero responsibility for the indirect consequences of his edgelord content, leaving it upto the teen audiences to be responsible about not using his content to validate their bigoted views. like it's genuinely admirable that he takes responsibility and apologises publicly like this and then charlie is all "technically you didn't have to" 😂
He's also probably scared that since he's only 30 this stuff will remain online forever so I'd he ever becomes mainstream popular again, those clips of him saying the N word will always haunt him, so I feel like he is pre-emptively addressing those , especially with creator clash becoming more and more popular, at some point he was going to have to face the music
@@innsaanitty lol
You can be hurtful and cause damage even if that wasn't your intention.
Yes, but it doesn’t matter if it wasn’t your intention.
@@crosshavoc1387 it does matter thou. If I don’t mean to hit someone with my car, I still killed someone if they died. Words matter and dubz alone helped cause a new generation of asshats just like leafy
@@crosshavoc1387 To say it doesn't matter at all is crazy but it's a huge difference that is for sure
@@crosshavoc1387 ok, so you can drive your car on the sidewalk with the intent of getting to work a little faster, the people you mowed down on the way won't matter because turning them into a series of stains on the concrete wasn't something you intended on doing
my point is that your actions, whether they be casual bigotry or vehicular manslaughter, have consequences regardless of intent
@@hwowwhwooyour analogy is invalid. Drivin on a sidewalk is illegal and you will hit someone regardless. Making content about people being useless, Idiots or generally being annoying is not something that bad if at all.
It's such a ridiculous statement saying that changing your content over time is weak. What else should he have done? It's like Idubbbz is saying "sorry for not demonizing my own content sooner." I hate this "I should've done this sooner" energy too. The only reason he's making this apology is because of the hyper critical, doxxing, and cancelling nature that the internet has now.
This is something I think about frequently, from being an idubbz middle schooler I’m like damn, this shits really gonna catch up to him
growing up and realizing you were a internet bully and casually dropping hurtful slurs? was going to catch up to him? duh
People age poorly.
Critikal was so scared of talking about Chris being trans yet he seems very open about this topic..
Him and sunnyv2 are friends thats why😭
@@duckhugger7692 yo wtf I did not know that. How slimy.
@@duckhugger7692ugh gross. will not regret unsubbing from charlie. cant even tell what his values stand behind the camera but i can tell he is very ignorant
Yeah I'm slowly learning that Charlie is not quite the person I thought he was... Him not willing to be critical of bigotry/not realizing the impact even "casual" bigotry can have feels a little bit telling. Maybe it's him not wanting to reflect on himself/feeling vilified for having enjoyed said content in the past, I'm not sure, I obviously don't know how Charlie thinks, I don't know the man. But regardless I don't think I can continue to support him if he can't see why someone would want to apologize for doing obviously harmful things.
@@skellish this mentality is common among many people including youtubers. even mlk addressed these kinds of people, their mentality, and impact in his letter on what he called them: the white moderate.