Hey arctic cat. There are still a lot of owners of first gen wildcats. Don’t stop making parts and engines for them. They haven’t even been off the market that long.
Im guessing it will be very stout! And that's from a Doo guy. With Yamaha dropping out,we need to support the remaining 3 regardless of loyalty as it would really suck to be down to 1-2 manufacturers IMO
Id try one, Im done with Polaris for now. Id like to see how this compares, also the suspension. The Walker Evans shocks is a HUGE let down. Hopefully CAT has these Fox shocks and Springs better figured out.
Well I have seen the 800 go against the 850s and it was not behind in other than cc so maybe the 858 is going to be good but was hoping for just a factory turbo just to get a head
@duckdestroyer2412 turbo two strokes have been around alot longer then that lol 😆, other brands had to make a 850 to get up to cats 800 hp back then , been riding a ascender 800 turbo and nothing comes close to touching it. Realist 🤣
@FarminWithaSubie turbo from the factory is what I meant. Aftermarket counts about as much as their claims of 11% more horsepower of the anywhere between 145-160 horsepower 800 ctec engine.
@@MikeMFnJones1 just something to make a big splash. To say cats back. Im sure the 858 rips, im sure it will probably be pretty reliable but its still basically where the others were 5 years ago. Imagine if skidoo or polaris brings out a 900 or 1000 in the next year. Cats behind. Again.
@@FrederickMercier-jy9tt what is the model in the trail sleds that has a 900? Not a polaris guy, if this exists id like to check it out. I didn't see it on website?
I love all of the comments about no turbo. Sure I won’t beat you to the top the first time. But the second time I’ll be at the top and the turbo sleds will be in the shop.
I've got almost 7,000 miles on my 1100 turbo and have never had a single issue with it. I know those 850 Polaris 2 stroke turbos have had issues though
@@brianf9340 yeah no the cat and Yamaha 4 stroke turbos are great. I was really talking about the horrible reliability with turbo 2 strokes. And every brand sucks with reliability with 2 stoke Turbos. That’s why I don’t understand why people want them so badly
@@CCH-R I totally agreed with your comment on why 2 stroke guys want a turbo, until i jumped on my buddies 850 turbo freeride. It's unreal the difference.
So from what I heard at haydays, this engine uses the same bore, but a different stroke. So does that mean they can reuse the cylinders from the 800? Assuming that the crankcase makes up for the additional piston throw?
Does it honestly matter? I remember when cat had 8 classes of engine. 370 440 500 600 700 800 900 1000....all in one year. Thats like saying because KTM dirtbikes make a 300cc two stroke and no other brands do, they all suck.
@KTMsoldier1988 i think it does matter in such a small/niche sport and industry. You have to be leading or different to stand out. Cat was so late to the part to update their procross, a new engine should have been a must. Like 900 or 1k.
@@timtorkelson7201 gain a bit on bottom end response MAYBE, but definitely no huge improvement over the oem. Plus the oem handle boost very well, these will not. Never tried the boyesen rage cage setup.
@@jackhiggins4971 haha do you understand 191 at the crank no did not think so 600 rods 700 pistons 900 crank ok so before you call me out maybe find out what has been done
Finaly Cat Is Stepping up whit a ''850'' class motor soon i think arctic cat will be as dominating of a snowmobile brand as it was in the 90s
Hey arctic cat. There are still a lot of owners of first gen wildcats. Don’t stop making parts and engines for them. They haven’t even been off the market that long.
If this doesn't work out, Artic Cat will just be a remember when....
Yes if this doesn't turn out good they are donezo
Look really compact nice job look like a 340 size but 850 power cool man
Their really isn’t any dealers left in my state for cat so why would anyone buy one. Cat needs to fix their dealer issues
oh I definitely going to demo this
Im guessing it will be very stout! And that's from a Doo guy. With Yamaha dropping out,we need to support the remaining 3 regardless of loyalty as it would really suck to be down to 1-2 manufacturers IMO
Id try one, Im done with Polaris for now. Id like to see how this compares, also the suspension. The Walker Evans shocks is a HUGE let down. Hopefully CAT has these Fox shocks and Springs better figured out.
Scale this engine up to an 858 CID inline 6 2 stroke for a semi truck.
There. All the “only a 600?” whiners can relax.
4-cylinder would be better than a 2 cylinder
@@scotthultin7769 Haha ok
Well I have seen the 800 go against the 850s and it was not behind in other than cc so maybe the 858 is going to be good but was hoping for just a factory turbo just to get a head
Get Ahead? You mean catch up, lol.
@duckdestroyer2412 you on glue? 😅
@FarminWithaSubie no I am not on glue. I am a realist. Turbo two strokes have been around for 3 years now. 850s have been around for going on 7 years.
@duckdestroyer2412 turbo two strokes have been around alot longer then that lol 😆, other brands had to make a 850 to get up to cats 800 hp back then , been riding a ascender 800 turbo and nothing comes close to touching it. Realist 🤣
@FarminWithaSubie turbo from the factory is what I meant. Aftermarket counts about as much as their claims of 11% more horsepower of the anywhere between 145-160 horsepower 800 ctec engine.
Awesome
lol, come with 6 years too late, hey, the competitor come with turbo now !!!!!
...now bring back the wildcat trail and put that engine in !!
please partner with the sledderz game it would be amazing
Need a 1k cat! C'mon.
I was hoping for 900
@@MikeMFnJones1 just something to make a big splash. To say cats back. Im sure the 858 rips, im sure it will probably be pretty reliable but its still basically where the others were 5 years ago. Imagine if skidoo or polaris brings out a 900 or 1000 in the next year. Cats behind. Again.
@@actZR900polaris already have a 900 big bore engine since 2 years now
@@FrederickMercier-jy9tt what is the model in the trail sleds that has a 900? Not a polaris guy, if this exists id like to check it out. I didn't see it on website?
@@FrederickMercier-jy9tt i only see the rmk still having the 9r. Unless i missed a trail version, which would be sweet.
I love all of the comments about no turbo. Sure I won’t beat you to the top the first time. But the second time I’ll be at the top and the turbo sleds will be in the shop.
Just one more thing to fail and drive the cost up another $1000
The turbos today are not the same as they were 5 years ago.
I've got almost 7,000 miles on my 1100 turbo and have never had a single issue with it. I know those 850 Polaris 2 stroke turbos have had issues though
@@brianf9340 yeah no the cat and Yamaha 4 stroke turbos are great. I was really talking about the horrible reliability with turbo 2 strokes. And every brand sucks with reliability with 2 stoke Turbos. That’s why I don’t understand why people want them so badly
@@CCH-R I totally agreed with your comment on why 2 stroke guys want a turbo, until i jumped on my buddies 850 turbo freeride. It's unreal the difference.
So from what I heard at haydays, this engine uses the same bore, but a different stroke. So does that mean they can reuse the cylinders from the 800? Assuming that the crankcase makes up for the additional piston throw?
You won t, they change the exaust valve and the reed
858 come on cat just punch it out to a 900 I know you can do it!
Yeah the 900 did pan out so well, for king cat or the poolaris 900 that you dragon ..ed home😂
so whats the hp? cool but need more info
About 190
190? stock ya kk where the dyno sheet thats more juice than the boosted stock sled
@@jlo13800
@@pascigallant Im sure an 858 would love boost.
Release Date? 2028??
im trying to be excited but the skidoo 850 came out in 2017. pretty late to the party here cat.
Does it honestly matter? I remember when cat had 8 classes of engine. 370 440 500 600 700 800 900 1000....all in one year. Thats like saying because KTM dirtbikes make a 300cc two stroke and no other brands do, they all suck.
@KTMsoldier1988 i think it does matter in such a small/niche sport and industry. You have to be leading or different to stand out. Cat was so late to the part to update their procross, a new engine should have been a must. Like 900 or 1k.
I'd much rather be late to the party then to show up on a putrid looking skidoo
im not gatekeeping the displacement. just hard to follow cat when other brands have A LOT more miles (7 years) on their designs.
@@MikeMFnJones1 lucky for you cat is always late to the party.
King cat
King cat Was garbage!, when it blew, it fn blew !
I em really rady to try the 858 arctic cat catlyst hole shift col hell ye
They would only say 11% more than the 800.
before we complain, we need to remember that this has more that 180 horsepower with no turbo or anything.
I bleed green, but 11% more than the 800, is not 180.
i suck at math what is it.
@@EdwardLockhart-yw5in based on the dyno results of CT2 800s, 158-172
180 HP
Wait till it’s on a dyno to actually see
V-force reeds.... No thank you on that
Why no Vforce? Work great on mine.
@@timtorkelson7201 gain a bit on bottom end response MAYBE, but definitely no huge improvement over the oem. Plus the oem handle boost very well, these will not.
Never tried the boyesen rage cage setup.
@NickMieloszyk numerous performance shops seeing 3+ hp?? Granted that's 1.5 to the track,but I'll take it!!
@NickMieloszyk updated Vforce do!! They made an improvement, talked to them myself.
Arctic crap Crapalyst
Someone's rides a poolaris ...
Sucks that my 1996 440 xcr has more horses wow
Try like 120 less
@@jackhiggins4971 haha do you understand 191 at the crank no did not think so 600 rods 700 pistons 900 crank ok so before you call me out maybe find out what has been done
@randybehenna3763 pretty sure your sniffing some strong ass glue 🤣
@@SkyHighSportsCards bring your sled we will race for owner ships I need a new sled whenever you have half the parts or half the jam
@@randybehenna3763 it’s going to be around 185hp, 440s make like 60hp max.