Jordan Peterson: Antiheroes and what to pay attention to
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This video comes from professor Peterson's: "2015 Personality Lecture 04: Heroic & Shamanic Initiations II: Mircea Eliade" • 2015 Personality Lectu...
He said exactly what he was going to do in 2016 in 2015. Truly a man of his word.
ankurama Yup
Huh?
@Kkkk Bbbb :DD
Fact💯
A man True to Himself
A man of integrity.
Why did it take me 20+ years in the workforce to learn these very simple concepts that Jordan Peterson explained in 15 minutes...
Ted Fields to be fair it’s taken him years as well
@@monk3110 Also worth noting is that Peterson has the benefit of literally studying things like human social interactions for a living, and getting decades worth of experience in this through counseling patients who are going through all sides of the workforce.
Also, because Dr. Peterson is brilliant haha
Because you weren't doing the dance with people =P
Your Existence is futile
I'm Filipino. This is the first time of heard of it. I live outside the US. Filipinos have been using the term 'flipchart' particularly those in the health profession for years. We've been using the term in school for years. I've never heard of the insult. Frankly, I do not care. I consider this phenomenon mentioned by Peterson as a manner of racist philia like negrophilia. Overcompensating for potential offense on someone without thinking of what they would actually think.
Exactly, excellent point.
Even that is an insult it's a pretty lame one.
It's basically a defense mechanism against being perceived as naïve and overprivileged
Heh, flip chart
a smart person would have said "let's bounce this question off the manila office, get their take on this"
'If you can't bargain, you're a slave.'
If you can't bargain, you're a slave.'........ in some cases perhaps, but truth be known (FACT) you are already a slave its subjection and legislated thru letters patent and article 7 of the BC government ACT stop confusing people JP your freedom is duties and obligation to the STATE PERIOD we live in an open-air prison if you smoke cannabis you will be imprisoned soo the Fundamental basic right of choosing what you do or don't do with your body has be usurp by HER MAJESTY and they call them selfs the CROWN not to be confused with the Crown two different entities
"Tis only a flesh wound!"
Autonomy or Collective Responsibility. Choose one. There is no such thing as a Free State in our world today, just varying degrees of police states. So pick the one that has the most freedoms and liberties based on what liberties you are willing to concede.
David, you forgot to spread out all those periods you have in the beginning.
just become a criminal then no one said you had to follow the law simple stop spouting bullshiit of youre not free.
If you can't bargain then you either need practice or googles to see better ones
8:28
Always have an escape route
Don’t be a slave
I'm filipino and i didn't even know "Flip" was supposed to offend me
Jesus, the explanation and remedy of becoming a slave in modern society is done so good! "If you cant say no, you cant bargain. And if you cant bargain, youre a slave."
Saying “no” is the same as saying “I quit”.
So many are terrified of the unknown they would prefer the abuse of a childish tyrant boss to the temporary inconvenience of looking for a new job (while holding the current position).
Sounds like you can't say no to Peterson
@@brokeneyes6615 saying no does not mean I quit..... I have negotiated with my boss many times
Egg Roll321 that’s great for you and I honestly mean that.
The sort of person I was referring to, and also that Peterson refers to in another one of his lectures are the meek individuals who won’t negotiate.
I know so many people, some in my family who throw up so many excuses for why they will continue to work for someone who neither pays thrm well and has said in the past “anyone can be replaced” and ending it with a stare directly at them, heavily implying that it was them they were referring to.
In my opinion that sort of behavior is from any sort of boss is the behavior of a childish tyrant and again, Peterson has warned what putting up with someone like that does to your well being.
For the meek, saying no, in the sense they’re saying no to standing up for themself, negotiating with the boss or even looking for a new job while employed is no different than saying they’ve quit trying.
Looking back at my previous comment, I see I was too vague for what I was trying to say to the point it was 180’d, Hope this clears it up.
Wise words
6:11 So this is why he objected at the very first moment, when the gender pronoun legislation was introduced.
8:00 this was my work philosophy right from the begining of my working life. Also from the start chose the type of work you want to do like manual or intelecual. Then if you want to create/make things or are more home in maintanence/assembling. I want manual creative work and i was happy in printing and stone industry. Now im working in cement factory as a maintenence worker.
I love this clip. There is so much good stuff here.
I'd like to thank this channel for uploading these videos. Thank you, whoever you are.
Vegeta is my favourite anti hero. Always fighting towards an unattainable goal of exceeding Goku. He work 10 times harder than goku to be second best.
Colin Ashton Goku is an antihero too 😒
@brian green Vegeta is Envy and he just focus on what goku is and copy him but no focus in ways to be better, thats why goku is genius
“I wanna be a super sayin! I wanna I wanna I wanna!” -Vegeta Dragon Ball Z Abridged. Cell arc right before he fights android 19.
“Push ups, sit ups and whole Lotta juice”
He has exceeded Goku, a few times. Especially at the end of DBS, his Royal Blue form is more powerful than Goku's SSB Kaioken x20. That's because he chose to let go of his drive toward beating goku and went his own way, instead of copying Ultra Instinct
Colin Ashton third best. Brolly 🤣
You should always have an escape route planned. And it should be active because if you don't have an escape route and you can't get away, you can't say no. And if you can't say no, you can't bargain. And if you can't bargain, you're a slave.
We all need more of him. Online courses we can listen to all over the world and always would be amazing to get to sit in a real class with him teaching! Play his videos to class too!
I have watched so many JP lecture bits online. He might as well give me a credit.
As someone who believes existentialism strongly i really like his messages about meanings in life.
I needed you 10 years ago :(
sebseb seb it's not too late.
This speach is gold!!!!
I need Jordan Peterson to read Attack on Titan and do an analysis on the whole series.
I would really enjoy that
no dude warhammer 40k is where it's at
It's pretty shallow in terms of analysis imho.
"You know, there's an interesting correlation between the Titans and the mighty lobster."
-Jordan Peterson, 2019
@@MrBrainTucker1079 That's what I was thinking.
Bloody love the thing about the dance with people and the anxiety, that's awesome and enlightening =)
“Worker bees can leave. Even drones can fly away. The queen is their slave.”
kieferonline they will die alone but yes they have a choice. you will always have a choice might be slavery or death but there is a choice
The queen is the one that keeps the hive alive and makes sure there IS a hive. The bees are still the slave and anybody who can look beyond their own narrow view will realize that
+shadowlord141
" they will die alone but yes they have a choice"
Which is counteractive to basic survival principles. You don;t always have a choice, especially when it's basic nature acting on you
well humans have a choice to overcome their basic nature if they want to, don't know about bees
+shadowlord141
Humans have a choice in HOW to deal with it not to whether we can have it or not. Still not a "choice" as most people describe it
Excellent presentation.
I would love to hear what Jordan’s interpretation of the good the bad and the ugly is
Huh, You know I think he had a good point whene asking "do you wn't to be harmess" I mean if taken too far it could end up bad. But I think I have spent too much time trying to be harmless... It's time I stop trying to be harmless and try to be Helpful, I think.
Brilliant. We must object to the things we know are doing harm to our mental and physical being otherwise we are going to become resentful and vengeful. And this is a bad route to take.
Similar stupidity some years ago when a friend's staff canteen said they were no longer permitted to ask for a black coffee. It had to be called coffee without milk. SMH
8:07 I know ammature ,but hearing Peterson make that sound is just priceless
Thank you.
6:49 this right here is how you get what you want, even if you don't feel confident.
Hahaha! I'm a Filipino and the word flip doesn't offend me. I don't think there's anything wrong with the word.
Isaac La Vina it's good you don't... "flip" out about it😎
matrixlone hahaha good one 🤣
Ok, good. For a second there I was thinking "forward vertical rotation" is a mouthful.
Good to see not everyone flips their shit over words.
i'm irish. so even if i am offended about a slur i have internalised coping mechanisms.
guinness and follk music.
Great advice!
"You may be someone that's modest & careful & never causes any conflict." Most will say you're a well socialize person but you have no POWER.
So people will run all over you, learn to dive into your shadow Darksiders sexuality & aggression & integrate it with your psyche to use it consciously otherwise you'll be harmless with no power. Powerful statement 👍💯
Life in some parts of western societies has become perhaps too boring or too comfortable or people have become too distracted and instead of actually doing work and being productive they instead hop from meeting to meeting, in vague terms discuss "important" "projects" that lead to nowhere or pay too much attention to inane shit like political correctness. I'm in eastern Europe, so it's not so bad here, thank God.
I967 I feel like your understanding of what the west is like is very movie-informed
Aiden Wood He said some parts, more than likely the urban areas.
KFBEL Beats it’s still inaccurate. This is the most generic observation of the western lifestyle you could write
A little comparison would prove to be a more tangible explanation to your point. I used to live in the Philippines, but now in the United States, and yes, comparing those two places, the societies focus on different problems or at least different faces of the same problems, and I can agree with your point.
Interesting. Speak up for everything that makes you think, weather it feels right or wrong. If youre gut feeling doesn't feel right about whats going on step vack and take a minute to think about the whats going on. Always trust youre intuition. And always be assertive. Most people will back down anways so do it or it will always happen.
For the magic is when someone doesnt back down. That exchange or war of ideas really does something for me
Unknown Native whether* and your* x2
Yes, intuition is an alert system that helps one focus their awareness on a particular matter. Knowing when to engage it, and when you have satisfied it are very important steps in the self maturation process.
I'm so lucky yo live in an age that has access to this kind of knowledge and Jordan Peterson.
Some of this is from Maps of meaning .Almost word for word.
Vids like these are a great tool for memory .
Oh man, the dance with people. 😂
I do this every single day at work. Even noticed that I copied movements aswell as someone copying my movements yesterday. But i never thought of it as dance. That's hilarious.
7:45 , 8:30 Good career advice
When I was in school Anti hero's to many kids in the class though little of it. Just a edgy form of writing but I took anti heros and slowly realized how string thin the line between heroes and villains were. Even in real life a hero can become a villain and villain can become a hero so easily.
"You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become a villain" The Dark Night Rises
You a writer my guy or girl?? I'm a upcoming writer but I'm still new to this tho
I love this guy. Clean your room!
It's gotten to the point, that if you don't say no to some of the things people want you to do, you become a slave to those people.
It becomes about appeasing them at the expense of your own desires.
I don't know much about Egyptian mythology, but it all sounds so interesting.
As far as anti-heroes go, I always thought they were much cooler than the heroes.
My favorite anti-heroes are Batman and Wolverine. They each have thier own moral codes, and that is good. Great video.
The Punisher......the ultimate anti hero/hero. The Netflix Punisher series is amazing and exactly what the Punisher should be. If you want an intense series give this a try. I find Frank Castle (The Punisher) to be a deep character who can make an argument for the destruction of evil rather than the placating or minor punishments.
Joe Deats
"The punisher" is another name for Seth/Satan as he mentioned. Also represented by court judges, the grim reaper, etc.
Hmm....(as JPB would say)....I don't see Frank Castle as Satan, he is capable of love and kindness. Grim Reaper yes but I don't see The Punisher as evil. Although I do see your point in that he (Frank Castle) does the punishing much like Satan or Seth so I agree. I see the Punisher as a high functioning Sociopath, a more violent version of Sherlock Holmes who I believe is a high functioning Sociopath as well.
Joe Deats
Is a court judge evil for sending someone to prison for murder?
Also, Satan/Saturn is a God, that's why Saturday is named after him.
Joe Deats its still compatible with the punisher character. Evil may not be good but its a necessity of the human experience. Punisher is an example of good men touched with just enough evil to be destructive yet not wholly evil. It's a great example of a tormented character.
Totally agree.
We should object to radical stupidity. I really like the example with a flip chart - absolutely incredible, as well as so many other examples Professor Peterson is using.
Anybody knows where the next part of this lecture is?
When he spoke about paying attention, I thought to myself, will paying attention help me figure someone out, and is that what people unconsciously want? For someone to understand them? Does this mean that people who I have met that I felt have understood me just pay more attention than most people do? If so, then by that logic, we would we be able to understand people much better just by paying attention to their body language and their reaction to things in certain situations? And if we can, would this explain the illusion that they understand me when or if we and the person in question ever interact?
Powerful wisdom I have ever heard!
Goodness.... I love this man. Why didn’t he raise me? Guide me? Teach me? 🙏🏻 🌎
Any link for the picture he is referring to?
I'd be so honoured to take this man and his family for lunch. Love you JP
Looking up and saying I love this with upward pointed hands is sincerity this man not only believes but can prove it❤
My question is, if flip is considered offencive, how do they manipulate their butterfly knives?
Dr. Peterson, hwo do you suggest an individual with low vision deal with the deficit of nonverbal communication such a disability creates?
Was Jordan talking to a room of ENTPs?! This lesson hits all my buttons
What do you mean. ENTPs don't usually have a problem voicing their opinions. When talking about being harmless I was think more about underdeveloped ISFJ that will put harmony and mantaining what has always been at the top of their priorities.
i was really hoping for a greater comic book style analysis of anti-heros
Not sure about Filipino's in the US (who might have a different mentality from us) but here in the Philippines, we don't really use "flip" nor do I think anyone here finds it offensive. We usually call ourselves "Pinoy" though.
I wish Jordan was my lecturer at university.
As to harmlessness.
We only seem to like dangerous pets. A dog is essentially a wolf, one of the top predators on our planet. A cat is as vicious a predator as they come.
I wonder if it is not because we don't know if a rabbit loves us, or is merely harmless, while a dog that snuggles our throat, without ripping it out... must have some feeling for us.
And yet we have become their masters. There is no other animal on the face of the earth more deadly than humanity. That's why even vicious animals that are dangerous, like a lot of large cats, wolves, ect don't fuck with humans. Animals know who's the real king of the jungle.
@@mosheahvows5071 Large cats don't fuck with humans? A wild big cat would eat the fuck outta you my guy. We're still just a weird chimp in nature's eyes.
So glad I said “black” at work when it was appropriate.
Sad I gave up “ghetto” when it was not inappropriate. I did say it in the pejorative, but I do now feel like a bit of power was lost from me saying I wouldn’t say it anymore.
So, we have to say "forward vertical rotation"?
I've gone back and forth on Jordan Peterson but after his big 4 day or so talk with Sam Harris I'm on board with him again.
Willie Richard Johnson Projects funny because it had the opposite effect for me. The presuppositionalism and the need to be agreed with was off putting. Of course we now know that his tension may have been caused by his issues with his wife. He went off on that audience for agreeing with Sam Harris on the fourth talk harder than he did anyone who had actually attacked him since he became a public figure.
Spawn is my favorite protagonist. He's also a GREAT anti-hero.
Last night the JP saved my life
Last night the JP saved my life from a psychological trauma...
Buddhists tend to the same preference of mindfulness (sustained attention) over rationality. Holy shit! Little insight inside of me thanks to Jordan Peterson and this short clip. I've been doing a couple of things, but it's not enough, so I should just make the effort to pay attention to others to overcome my social anxiety.
Flip chart controversy sounds like something from Kaiser Permanente
They probably renamed it a Circularly Indexed System, or CIS Chart...because screw those people, huh?
Tark McCoy cis js a pejorative term for straight people how offensive
This is why the movie Office Space was so good.
Antiheroes are the true heroes.
Anti hero is a free spirit, he lives by his own moral code.
BATMAN rises Be careful with that description. Villains have their own moral code too. It's called doing whatever feels right without thinking about if it will harm others. What separates an anti-hero from a villain is they have the same goal as the good guys (for example, protecting people) but they're willing to do morally grey things that aren't technically bad to achieve their goals. Another variation of the anti-hero is they secretly have a good heart and do the right thing when it counts but other than that don't care if they do good or bad stuff. For example Han Solo in Star Wars episode 4 (the original).
Villains live by their own moral code.
@@danielsjohnson Often antiheroes are missing the capability to be heroic and must undergo a transformation. Frodo Baggins is a good example of an anti-hero; his heart is in the right place but he is unskilled, inexperienced, and weak in the beginning.
Seth is sometimes the brother and sometimes the father, as in Darth Vader.
im sorry but what does this have to do with anti heros?
It’s funny, I’d consider characters like Batman, Riddick, Jon Wik, as antiheroes.
Having recently reread paradise lost I still don’t understand how some people can call Satan an anti hero in that narrative.
Spiderman is a Hero, an example of an Anti-Hero would be Venom. Who isn't necessarily Inheritly evil, they just have their own agenda and challenge the hero.
"The world needs bad men. We keep the other bad men from the door."
-Rust Cohle, True Detective.
THIS is why I went into private practice. I’m no good at keeping my mouth quiet. Very bad poker face. Corresponding look on face as emotion in head.
Becky Elizabeth!
Get in the house, right this minute!
8:49 Holy poop man, this guy blew me away with the meaning of life.
My whole school is a pollitical correcteness school . and im literally in hell almost everyday. i honestly want to transfer so badly but im afraid that iw ont be able to find any other school that would not be inficted as well. so im pretty much in this whirle pool of stupidity. hopefully i can find a school that have teachers like Dr peterson
@ 5:22 “A lot of you are going to find yourselves embedded in bureaucracies.” The irony!
You can really see how worked up he gets too,and how faded his eyes look even when speaking so brilliantly.
I presume he’s on the benzos here.
It’s so astonishing what the worlds turns such special people into..
Well say you're living in place A that believes in geocentrism and if you say that's stupid you might go to prison either for a couple years or the rest of your life, and you might be able to go to place B Where they believe in heliocentrism do you work towards going to B? or do you object and risk a life of imprisonment? my question is how do you weigh the risk/reward when you have the option of either running away or standing your ground but not both (unlike a job where you can object and they'll just fire you, so you search for a new job.)
genius!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I saw Red Hood and well, things just led to another
Why did I not watch this before the pandemic!?
If attentiveness is truly so powerful a force, that might explain why I get so far ahead of everyone else. I've often wondered what defines that damn gap that drives me crazy every time I'm forced to look at it. If that is all it is, then I feel much better already.
I really want to read his book, "maps of meaning", but I practically live in a tractor throughout the year so listening is more effective. I would love to download maps on audible, but I'd rather listen to Dr. Peterson narrate than someone else
Jesse Knox you are lucky . JP just twitted about that
Well i haven't looked into the book itself yet, but JPs podcast goes through his Maps of Meaning university lectures. I listened to it during my driving job
One pejorative against Filipinos I know is "Indio", as the Spaniards call idiots by it. I am awfully confused by "Flip" as a pejorative especially English is the Philippines' second language meaning Filipinos know the word "Flip" defines as how it is in the dictionary.
1:14
I'm like a walking razor
Don't you watch my size
I'm dangerous
- Peter Tosh
Satan is the god of tyrranical possibility. Nailed it Professor Peterson. Thank you.
I just got and appointment with my obgyn because I'm pregnant, the lady taking the information at the end asked for my gender I mean we go trough all question relate to menstruacion, and that this is going to be my second child ect .. and this lady asked me what gender are you? I was like😒😒 a woman, so far I haven't heard of a men giving birth or not business getting and appointment at a obgyn?? She told me sorry I have to ask is require of me to ask .I felt kind of sad for her ,having to ask a moronic question every day a thousand times.
Interesting... so at what age do children need to start being heard and taken seriously when the object strongly to tyranny?
1:05 10:16
Man, he makes great arguments for anarchism. To bad there's villainous people in the world with no heroistic people to oppose them.?
This is why I wake up every morning and just scream "NOOOOOOOO" at my wife, I start way BEFORE the earliest point......
I’ve always loved the bad guy more then the hero
We don’t take flip as an offensive term against us.
How do I learn to think the way this man thinks?
Im a filipino and i dont give a rats ass about the flipchart. He is right, i have more pressing matters to deal with than this.
I only see westerners taking offense about minor things cause they are bored
hi
I am very offended by ppl being offered by the term flip chart
‘Or you get bad characters like Batman eh?’
How about at the work place, where your trying to make a career, and its not easy to get in the industry.