Atheist Experience 21.24 with Matt Dillahunty and Tracie Harris
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- 23:57 Johnny: Orlando, FL: Free Will and Morality
41:05 Billy: Austin, TX: Argumentum Ad Populum
59:03 Drake: New Orleans, LA: Morality and Well-Being
1:14:25 Kris: Toronto, Ontario: Argument from I Just Believe
1:24:40 Zack: Hagerman, ID: Will Call Back Another Week, Not Enough Time for Topic
1:25:28 Matthew: NC: Difference Between God Existing and Morality of That God
The Atheist Experience episode 21.24 for June 18, 2017, with Matt Dillahunty and Tracie Harris. Changing World Views. Tracie discusses how losing ones faith suddenly can be jarring and difficult.
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Billy; "I'm not committing an argumentum ad populum fallacy, but there must really be something to it if 95% of people believe it!"
Face -> Palm
Buh Buh Buh Buh Buh Buh Buh Billly!!!!
Notice how flustered Billy got when Matt yelled at him. He almost started crying because of how it triggered him. Going forward he would tend to only call when there were female hosts and only called to insult them thinking they wouldn't be able to yell at him the same way. Shannon taught him a very serious lesson about what happens when you try to talk down to someone just because they are female.
Thanks for the arc. It scans.
Also, I think he may be William Mills, haunter of aca comment sections.
And, if so also multiple sock puppets. King David maybe? And others. He has been obsessed for over a decade.
Including some female socks. Who flirt. Someone who knows calls him out. And he admits it.
Very sad pathology.
@@brucebaker810 seek professional help
@@Rage867 This is inference by folks on these threads for a long time. Is your position that such can't happen? News flash, dude. People are weird. Especially online. Me reporting it isn't psych-check worthy.
I'm not saying you're a Billy sock. I'm saying a Billy sock would be quickest to insult me for comments.
Tracie's opening was spot on. I miss her from this program.
Miss her.
Why doesn’t she host anymore?
Given the recent changes I wonder if she might return?
Saying "dude" a million times was Billy's delusional way of convincing himself that he somehow still had the upper hand in the argument.
Same with “like”
“Well he doesn’t always answer right away” hahaha, that made me laugh out loud. What, this omnipotent, omnipresent, timeless god was busy so he left you a message saying he’ll get back to you??
From Ricky Gervais:
“Apparently, God does everything, so I asked Him about when a tree branch fell on my neighbor’s car, last June 15. God looked up his day-planner and said, No that wasn’t me, on that day I was in Africa giving AIDS to babies”.
"Why's it bad to cut of heads?"
"Just is"
Wow! Johnny is a real deep thinker. You can tell he's really thought about this. 😂
That's the point, he's been taught not to think for himself
"Just...ice". Like a vaudeville act with accidental appropriate answer.
Listening to Billy, the first thing that came to mind was that this is the guy after whom "Tweak" on South Park was patterned.
Wow, this episode is an entire highlight reel of bat shit crazy callers.
Then best kind of AE episodes imo hahahaha
I agree
Billy was factually wrong when he claimed the audience has never been wrong in "who wants to be a millionaire."
Yep, I posted about it too.
I find that he thinks the "Water seems to fit the hole perfectly" to be ridiculous, amusing. Take a bigger hole and the pond perfectly fits the hole. Take an even bigger one and the lake seems to perfectly fit the hole. Yet bigger, the ocean seems to fit the hole.
I miss Ms. Harris, she helped me think outside the box. Hope your well
And outside the jar, too.
@@brucebaker810 and the sandbox
I'm against mixed races, you shouldn't watch Indy and NASCAR at the same time.
That would be tragic...
Who would ruin an F1 race with hillbilly hotrods?!😂
If an indy car beats a nascar racer, nobody would call it fair. Mixing the races aint right and we all know it
@@CrazyRandomLordRE: {we all know it} At a basic level, why is it WRONG for a white person to interact {MIX}, with a black person?
@@moodyrick8503 theres nothing wrong with white people mixing woth black people. Just keep unorthadox vehicles off my racetrack.
I'm a racist - I prefer car racing to public transport. Change my mind.
Drake sounds like he's starting a cold car every time he's asked a question
Teaching children that there’s a placed called hell, and if they’re not careful they could end up there is child abuse!
Richard
Religion is human abuse.(which almost invariably leads to other, broader abuses).
Yes! I’ve been thinking this too. It really is abuse to brainwash children into religion. Let them learn about religion after they’re 18. Then we might begin to have world based on reality.
JOHN L OPPERMAN I can personally attest to everything you said, and I can tell you the scars never go away.
@David A Newman Eternal lake of fire is in your book.
@David A Newman You're still doing their thinking for them. If you're looking for 'attaboys' here, you probably won't get it.
It’s entertaining watching Billy fail..
Unfortunately, it’s also incredibly frustrating when someone is too stupid to recognize when they’re wrong, and defensive when others demonstrate so.
Billy displays a truly special level of ignorance and unearned arrogance
Dunning-Kruger in full effect.
Billy is a completely incoherent babbler: a fallacy machine. He has read a few books, but doesn't know how to process what's in them.
this is one of the best episodes of AXP, a real bonafide collection of callers with creepy illusion, delusions and moral degradation. A Case study for negative effects of any religions.
Poor Billy. If he doesn''t understand something, he dismisses it out of hand or says it's God.
Billy: "I'm not saying it's aliens... But it's definitely aliens!" (But with argument from popularity)
"95% of people ... on some form or another hum, hum ... agree with the the the design in nature, the apparence of design... like 95% of people since Socrates they ... they all pretty much, y'know they, they acknowledge the hum apparence of design."
Holy shit God is real I was wrong all this time im gonna baptize right away
desing is real, whats not real is the sentient cause for it.
Chris from Toronto gave me a brain aneurysm. Holy shit that was frustrating.
That's what the Bible says, because the Bible says that.
Billy is tripping on something.
They REALLY needed to ask Billy where that 95% came from.
cloud boy
You get just one guess...
Yeah,they didn't want to discuss Billy's ass.
It was very observant of Johnny to notice that they probably value reason due to it being in their theme song. It's a very subtle hint that few pick up on.
~ Matt and Tracie: thank you again for this archived intelligent and adult video, IN 2019. I am so appreciative of no superstition, and no silly nonsense here at the TAE! Cheers, DAVEDJ ~
Billy is completely wrong. I barely watched "Who Wants to Be a Millionaire?", and I saw the audience give the wrong answer at least a dozen times. If the question was difficult enough, the audience always goes for the distractor when the actual answer seems weird or unlikely to the ignorant.
Billy's first objection was u cant trust old books and then went on to talk about people he could only know about threw old books he clearly wasnt created by an intelligence
aaaaahhhhh....... aaaaahhhhhh...... aaaahhhhhhh........ aaaaaahhhhhh....... - drake
IKR? I think he just called to hear himself on the show.
Johnny was attempting to create a strawman in his argument. Whenever he rambled he was trying to create his strawman, like when he said "YOUR COUSIN THE BACTERIA." He's taking the statement from evolution that if you go back far enough in evolution, every plant and animal (and bacteria) came from a common ancestor and shares similar DNA and science says every living creature is your "cousin". So by his strawman, if you kill a bacteria in your bath tub, it's the same as killing another human being or a pet because those are cousins to humans. This is a great example of dishonesty in apologists. Matt did state that morality is based on the WELL BEING OF THINKING BEINGS. Bacteria is not a thinking being.
This was a great show. Thanks to both hosts
Billy is a repeat caller who purposely frustrates the hosts until they lose patience & then acts the wounded party and condescendingly tells them they should calm down.
He consistently relies on the most painfully obvious fallacies & pretends he's not. Not an honest caller in any way.
I believe Billy & Drake somewhere smoking the same thing.😂😂
"Ah, well, what an incredibly stupid question" This must be the guy in the crowd with the Sharpton Hitchens debate lol
Billy clearly believes in the higher power of Ganja.....
Morality is a social construct (and messy) because we're using inherent emotional feelings of fairness from our experience and environment.
1:03:05 "the argument from ICK"
that made me laugh way too hard haha
More like the argument from "uhhhhhhhhhh"
Ffs that's annoying
"The argument from Ick" is a Mandalorian Magic Trick.
Even Baby Yoda knows this.
I see. 'Kay.
“The truth of a proposition has nothing to do with its credibility, and vice versa.” - Robert A. Heinlein
Virtually every caller : Yes. Hello. You hung up on me.
...Am I on? Can you hear me? Hello?
Regarding Drake and incest- Still in India, it is common and accepted for first cousins to get married. So obviously, the consensus is not as he seems to think it is.
He didn't seem to have a problem with cousin incest anyway, which just goes to show that either his morality is drawn on completely arbitrary lines, or it's based on well-being because he deems cousin relation incest to have a low enough chance to impact the well-being of potential children for it to be acceptable.
"It is difficult to free fools from chains they revere." -- Voltaire
This line is so profound.
My question to Matthew from NC. is the following; if God forbids eating shellfish, why did god create shellfish in the first place? A test to see if humans follow his directives? Illogical and unreasonable.
Billy is why i find this channel entertaining! haha! Update: Kris is also the reason! lol!
Silly Billy - the early years.
Billy is one of the more distasteful callers the show ever had. This is one of his earliest calls, and he spirals down quickly on subsequent calls. Especially his aggresiveness towards the female hosts, even on this call you can see a hint of it, when he calls Tracies analogy retar*ed.
I feel sad for Kris. Her mind is so convoluted that she has completely rejected reality and simple logic.
She lives in wonderland
Billy, I've watched Who Wants to be a Millionaire a lot and the audience gets it wrong frequently. They're good on simple topics and pop culture but more on less useless on anything really esoteric. Ask them who has the current top music single and they're a damn sight more likely to get that right than the university professor in the chair who never listens to the radio. Ask them something about quantum mechanics and they won't have a clue.
Uuuhhhhhhh..... Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
Wtf man...
BEST COMMENT YET H.
Were still waiting Chris from Canada
Matthew talking to Matthew about verses in Matthew. Athiest church is so much fun =)
Tracie said,"doggie!" LMFAO
Did u ever see liar liar?
Judge: on what grounds?
Lawyer: because it's devastating to my case!
A classic show. Among others, I liked 1:37:36 to end.
Billy , You need to get to a doctor right away !!!
Johnny was having and ID-10-T malfunction 😂
1:03:04 The argument from ick! lol
If I were to ever say, morality was written on my heart, I would feel like the biggest knob on the planet and be embarrassed on top of that
Sounds more impressive when the preacher says it.
11:23 That caller walked directly into that one 🤷🏾♂️😂💯
I would like to propose the prison system to use Billy for a one hour video of his ramblings, every prisoner who breaks down crying and promises to never commit a crime in his/her life again is immediatly put in one year probation or next time is one-week Billy marathon.
41:05 Billy = I had a friend call me out when I made an based on the ad populum fallacy. Proceeds to make defend the argument based on the ad populum fallacy.
DOH!!
Poor Billy. Watching him tie himself into an intellectual Gordian not was physically painful to me. Poor Billy. I wish he knew more of what he thinks he knows. This is a classic Dunning Kreuger effect
Thank the lord my old friend pushed me into believing a faith and leading me doing my own research for the past few months to find the Atheist Experience show. I can’t thank you enough Matt. I was close to what you debate everyday without knowing all the cool debate logic. Keep up the good work! Lord, 😂 I firmly believe every god faith around the world is longest man made con....well until I’m proven wrong of course.
Last caller when he said "neither of us is going to change our minds". I would have been so embarrassed that I wouldn't have been able to continue the call had I said that, it didn't face him at all, I'm not even sure he registered what a blunder he made.
I found something very interesting when reading about Incest in the bible, specifically Leviticus 18. Lots of prohibitions about who you can’t have sex with, but what is glaringly absent is a prohibition against having sex with your daughter. Apparently that’s OK.
Billy, Billy, Billy... The audience of Millionaire has absolutely been wrong. I've watched it with my own two ears.
Free will doesn't mean I get to ignore gravity when making choices. I can't just (by myself) jump into the air, flap my arms, and fly away regardless of whether there is free will or not.
Billy seems like a gibbering wreck.
Also.. the audience has got it wrong a few times. Search CZcams and the footage is there.
1:10:55 Maybe the animal can communicate through body language... Some dogs are able to bark "no."
They broke billy
Matt is pretty well known but Tracy is a lot more poignant, thoughtful. She doesn't have so much ego invested in hosting.
@ mark novak... how do you know ? I've seen her "ego" in action, maybe you're just confusing her style of approach to that of Matt's. I also don't see her as sad but she does come across as more caring and sympathetic to certain people's plights.
@@carlpen850 yea you are right.
Better tits, too.
I love that the Higgs Boson ended up being called the god particle because the reporter couldn't publish god damn, which was the actual term particle physicists frequently used in discussion of it.
47:45 - Dude, bro, dude, bro, dude, bro (say as fast as you can FIVE times😃)!
oh Kris . . . "He doesn't always answer right away."
Oh no, Chris from Toronto called back...this oughta be good
@IVAN KRAWEC uhh... Chris is female. And ditzy as fuck.
Zach: I'm afraid we might not have enough time here so I'm going to waste of a bunch of time explaining that I'm afraid we might not have enough time here.
Really? You wasted my time, you wasted your time, and you wasted everyone else's time. Great job.
I want more of Kris.
She was very entertaining. 😀
The Giant’s Causeway has the appearance of design. Not only does Irish mythology claim it was designed, they claim it was designed by the giant Fionn mac Cumhaill. Who built it as a bridge across the sea so he could fight the Scottish giant Benandonner.
Now we know the hexagonal columns were formed by volcanic activity.
Its painful listening to Billy.
It would be nice if they included age of the caller.
third guy: Aaaaauuuu, aaaaa, ummmmmm, aaaaa………...
@@koenigsforst_ aren't you curious? I think its more important than their location even.
He's claimed he's almost twice as old as one of the panelists. He sounds like he's a teenager though
Did Chris ever call back with what God wanted her to say?
I highly recommend no one should hold their breath waiting for Chris to call back
Billy has called a few times. He is just frustrated and angry.
95% of the people I've explained the puddle analogy to do not find confusing…
Higher power, Bacteria Cousins, Hitler... 😂😂😂
UPDATE: Inferred 😂😂😂
Who designed freshwater to flow into salt water.
You should have a two-step cut-off button, one button for each presenter. Or else place the button between the presenters.
and/or an x-factor-esque setup ... first X/buzz serves as a "warning" and when the other host presses their button the caller gets disconnected without further warning
He couldnt hang fast to idiots that way.
How high was Billy? lmao
This was a bit weird....why is it wrong to fall for my brother?? Wtf?? Some states are ok with first cousins...I think its messed up and can lead to health issues if they have kids, middle east is perfect example.
You do realise that when you have kids everyone takes a big risk.
There is *no guarantee that any child will be born perfect* .
QUESTION;
Should parents, who have a chance of passing on a horrible disease
to their children, be legally prevented from having children?
FYI; Obviously it would be illegal for a brother & sister to have kids
for we know that this comes with a "huge risk".
If they don't have kids all you are left with is the "argument form icky".
(you find it gross)
Also in the "middle east" you have multiple generations of cousins marring
cousins with each generation increasing the chance of having
damaged children. (not the same risk as a one off event)
The science backs this up or else "secular" countries would have made it
just as illegal for cousins to marry & have kids as they do for a brother & sister.
@@moodyrick8503 Yes..they should be prevented, as a parent I would not want to risk it. I also lived a long time in the middle east...I know full well the issues, thanks.
"For the good of thinking creatures"
Interesting...
Chris is clueless.
95% of people think that eating fast food is healthy.
@IVAN KRAWEC And look how normal you are....
1:21:37 : Her brain is melting.
Yet 95 percent of of the top intelligent people of the world don't believe in design or God. Does that mean that I have to be thick to believe!.
90% of people are impressed by the fact that 65% of people are (already) impressed.
Some rays can't penetrate lead like some ideas can't penetrate some brains. Chris has a brain that no rational thought, it would seem, can possibly penetrate. Sad.
Chris: "the bible the bible the bible."
@@ThEjOkErIsWiLd00 ooh, that's a good one.
1:14:18 I would make the point that trying to have children while knowing that you will pass on a genetic defect that seriously undermines the wellbeing of your child is immoral. And unless there are ways to effectively mitigate these risks people should withhold from having children. Legally they are still within their rights, but I don’t think there is a moral justification for this.
So you’re saying that by having children who will have a chance of suffering in life is immoral? It appears so. The reason for the suffering is an inherited genetic defect. I would make the point that having children at all is morally repugnant because genetic defect or not, they are guaranteed to suffer and die. Anti natalism is a thing.
I don't know where he gets 95% from. sure if he just looks at America. but trust me it's nowhere near that in EU.
out of All friends I have out of 20, 1 thinks there is a God.
And trust me there are way more atheist that has not come out then people think. since they are scared of the consequences, when it comes to family, friends, and community.
We don't have this problem in Denmark since most here are not religious. so it's normal here not to believe.
Mark Bjering . 100 % agree from the U.K.
Back when i was a fundigelical YEC i thought i had tons of evidence and study and solid arguments.
That was mostly because I was indoctrinated and immersed in it in every part of my life. I wasnt exposed to opposing viewpoints, or arguments outside the strawman atheists made up by apologists.
Taking apologetics classes and listening to the wiser, older people absolutely destroy the atheist strawman is pretty convincing when youre young and youve never heard an honest, real argument against your position.
Plus I was homeschooled, and all of our fruends were either from the christian homeschool community or from church. Literally everyone i knew believed this stuff.
Even still, I always had doubts. But i would convince myself that i must just have doubts because i didnt yet understand fully.
Of course by the time I got into my teens and started asking questuins and getting literally shouted out by grown men in bible studies for my questions, it started to crumble.
I'll never forget the first time it happened. The bible study was discussing the concept of the "sin nature", and I asserted that no one in the group actually believed that humabs were inherently sinful. They said that they did in fact believe it, sin was inherited from Adam, there is no one righteous, etc. So I clarified "so you believe that every person is BORN inherently sinful?" Of course they said yes. "And the punishment for sin is death and eternity in hell?" Yes. "And Jesus is the way, the truth and the life, and no ine cimes to the father but through him? We are saved by grace through faith?" Yes. "And if you don't make a choice to put your faith in Christ, then you are condemned?" Yes.
"So then miscarried babies, babies that die in childbirth, and very young children go to hell?"
All of a sudden there was all sorts of consternation. They tried to say that the faith of the oarents covered the child until they reached the "age of accountability". So i said "Oh, so only the miscarried babies of non-believers go to hell?"
It turned into quite a debacle lol.
Is this Billy the William Mills Billy? (Millbilly)
"The argument from Ick" is difficult to Lick, in any form you pick.
Chris says she wasn’t raised in Christianity. I’m guessing Chris short for Christine, and if so, I don’t buy that her parents were not Christian.
If you want to sound really stupid, just keep saying "dude."
And also man up and don’t be such a snowflake. If “dude” can’t handle the questioning and the skepticism, he shouldn’t call.
Billy I hope you're ok now
Where we at now?