never understood the "plot armor" thing...everything is due to plot, including her powers, mentality, intelligence, etc. If the explanation of the events made sense, then it wasn't really an asspull
S&S is the most overrated character in MHA when it comes to power. She unironically gets blitzed by Mina and one shot by Baguko before the final war. She's just weak and Shiggy was better in every way.
@@gaiusx287plot amour mostly refers to the plot taking priority over the character agency or random chance For example let’s say anime hero loses a fight because they do something they wouldn’t normally do just to move the plot along
Even if she stopped Gojo’s heart, it’s shown Yuta could simultaneously heal Yuji whilst stabbing him. RCT is linked to the brain and Gojo has it active pretty much all the time. Unless she took off his head wouldn’t Gojo be able to RCT his heart?
@@jackaboynaylor9273 Either destroy his own heart and heal it or increase his output and overpower her quirk. The quirk has a limit even for things outside of her. It's like the inverse sorcery technique.
@@jackaboynaylor9273 I don’t know much about her outside of this video-but I’m assuming that would have to be one of her two rules? 🤔 The first problem is getting close enough to Gojo without getting completely demolished immediately. The second problem is choosing the correct amp to effectively fight Gojo. She has to be able to at least bypass limitless and that’s easier said than done for her.
The actual reason why decay started to work on Stars even after making a rule to resist it is because her quirk got stolen by shigaraki in the process of decaying her
@@lightningboltct4156 you’re right, she can only use two. One of the two at the time was to prevent herself from decaying which actually worked but the effect was weakening as her ability was being stolen via AFO
While this might have the effect of crushing gojo, I think we have already seen Infinity with its division reversed. He smashed hanami flat using his infinity which shouldnt happen in its default state. It seems to me that infinity slows targets to a halt but halting something wouldnt result in a stationary object(hanami pressed against a wall) accelerating away from gojo. If star tried this she would force infinity to violently fling everything away from gojo rather than crush him imo.
Air is a mixture of gases made up of particles, ‘infinity’ is a concept. While h the rescan area it affects it isn’t the air within the area that’s doing anything, it isn’t really even the space itself it’s an effect that surrounds gojo. I.e. it isn’t a literal force field it’s an effect that produces a similar end result. The question would be ‘is coming into contact with the slowdown effect actual ‘contact’ and is the thing being contacted a ‘thing’ in terms of new order? If it’s just a concept affecting the world then you can’t ever really touch it, kind of like if shiggy grabbed her arms, is she ‘touching’ decay? Or AfO? Or just shiggy’s hands?
Yuki vs Star and stripes is pretty funny because Star and Stripes can imbue new concepts upon the world or anyone and Yuki can ignore any concept targeted upon her
This is honestly a fascinating debate, because it's one of the few MUs where knowledge about the opponent or rather lack of it, is the deciding factor. If Star understood Gojo's abilities, she has all the tools necessary to kill Gojo, but without that knowledge, there's no way for her to figure that out.
@@person54454 if his heart will stop he won’t be able to do much, even if she drops her stats, or she could drop the “I can bypass infinity” as she already touched him, so there was no need for it anymore
Horikoshi should have given Star a different quirk, the limitations of her quirk are so convenient. Yaoyorozu's quirk limitations make sense, you can't create what you don't understand but Stars limitations conveniently make her weaken then ofa and afo.
Not even. Her quirk was completely broken, the perfect recipe to beat anyone in the series. It's just Shigaraki just so happened to not identify with that name and was just fast enough to dodge the explosion by literal inches from where it would've been lethal.
to be fair, she would be nearly omnipotent if the number wasn't limited to 2. Heck even having just three makes her able to beat anything that doesn't outright speed blitz her, including both gojo and shiggy
@@Rl55322three rules wouldn't be enough to beat gojo. 1- Physical amp 2- Immunity to Infinity (on the condition that she knows what infinity is) 3- 1 hit Ko. Now let's take a look at gojo: Healing factor, six eyes, blue, red, purple, cursed energy reinforcement and DE. Star would need a lucky shot, and even that wouldn't be enough if she doesn't attack gojo's brain instead of his heart, assuming she could kill him by attacking his brain.
The thing about this fight is that while Gojo is much, much slower he can process information very quickly with the six eyes, like when he processed 3 years of information in a few seconds before getting put in the magic box. Since he is not at risk of losing a domain battle, it's very likely he could just open with a domain expansion and insta win. However if he explains the name of Infinity, he's probably gonna get his ass blitzed and killed faster than Reverse Cursed technique can save him.
I doubt that He would explain Infonity. He only seems to do that when faced with opponents he knows are weaker than he is. Aside from that, He can also pop a Domain Expansion for 0.2 seconds. I'm 99% sure 6 months (iirc) would be enough to stun lock Star, giving Gojo a pretty easy win. (If He actually takes Her seriously from the jump.)
@@user-tc4zm9nt2j he doesn't really need to trap her in the area, just effect her with unlimited void and overload her senses, making it impossible for her to use New Order.
@user-tc4zm9nt2j What other bro said, it's not like Chimera Shadow Garden where it the Domain is popped and than hamds are swapped. Once IF if popped, it's dunzo, gg, game over, just catch up on Shibuya than you'll know what I mean big manz
@@Arctic7985The problem is that Star should effectively behave the same way as Maki with regards to cursed energy and therefore the Domain simply wouldn’t work as there is no cursed energy for it to lock onto.
Gojo rrly carrying the verse when it comes to cross verse I know its probably a speed problem but still the fact 99% of jjk can’t last a second against mid tier mha characters is Sad ngl
Yeah your right most of the verse can't survive most characters from mha with their feats it mainly the Gojo The Strongest that carries the verse heavily with Infinity.
The speed is far above mach 3 the mach 3 statement is inconsistent as hell gege stated that he isn't good in math he did mistake in calcs if you see their speed feats it's far above mach 3 i know you're talking about mach 3 statement
I don't really think she would be able to touch the infinity since it is just an infinite space between the target and she hasn't shown the ability to affect concepts like distance otherwise she should be able to for example kinda teleport around by shortening the space between her and the enemy
@@jackaboynaylor9273 Intangible objects are still objects. Distance is not an object, but a feature of space-time. You can't touch distance. To reach Gojo, you either need to be allowed by him or completely overpower it with unimaginable levels of cursed energy, which, iirc, Sukuna is the only one who has been able to do. Barring those, you need an ability that functions similar to「ZA HANDO」from JoJo's to get through it.
Gojo divulging how his techniques work actually boosts the strength and effectiveness of his abilities which is risky because she’d know how it works but he’d be stronger than he usually is hax wise
I think a lot of anime characters will struggle fighting against Gojo simply because of Infinity. Even if they are much stronger Infinity is too specific and hard to bypass.
no infinity is broken on other level it can decrease infinity amount of kinetic energy into nothing means any amount energy reaching him would be zero only a few could get throu this energy by countering his cursed energy and not a lot people could do that and he can heal his body super quickly so crushing his heart would do nothing man came back after almost getting decapted
@@SleepyKaos it's scaling the potency of the attacks not the actual impact it has on the surrounding area an example is all might throwing a punch casually that created a storm
@@SleepyKaosBitch is fighting a guy who tanks multiple nukes and scales relative to a guy who changes the weather with a punch. 💀 'She hasn’t shown it tho 🤓'
OFA and AFO were the supposed line of power in the MHA world but power curve broke through the wall when introducing stars and stripes. In JJK there doesn't exist much curse energy outside of Japan so naturally nobody to even come close to Gojo.
its not that the rest of the world lacks cursed energy, its the fact that they don't have a tengen barrier in their country to utilize the energy efficiently
@@johnrenwelmauro2387 she just came in out of nowhere to give Shigaraki something to do. MHA hasn't really done a good job with it's world building. We don't even have an insight on the heros of Europe.
@@jackaboynaylor9273 Gojo prob still wins almost every time. She would have to know the name of infinity, get close enough to touch it without getting hit with infinite void, somehow know that just stopping his heart won't be enough, and somehow one tap gojo whos durability is crazy high
This is an actual good vs idea. I'm hooked. At first i thought it was an easy win for Stripes since she can just say "Gojo will die in three seconds" until i realize she needs to touch him first and get his full name to do so. Can she affect Infinity with her quirk? Is her stats superior or inferior to Gojo? That is exciting to think about it.
She doesn't need to touch him for her "remove air" attack. Considering she can make an air construct 1000x her own size, deleting such a large volume should be a simple task. She can just repeatedly delete the air around Gojo while playing keep away with her superior speed. Gojo would eventually suffocate. RCT can heal damage but it can't make extra oxygen.
@@hoominbeeingThat's what I'm saying. She's realistically faster, stronger, and more durable than Gojo. On top of that, her removal of the atmosphere just instantly negates Gojo's Infinity as he's subject to a vacuum.
@@justsomeguywithatoupee8244 Yep. Gojo creates infinite space for limitless and Sukuna bypasses it by targeting "the world" or the space he occupies in with space cleave However, Star n Stripe is also targeting the space around Gojo and not Gojo himself (he has to touch her to do that), ergo it would bypass it The only issue is teleportation, but considering Gojo doesn't teleport in the Sukuna fight nor really any of his fights I'm not sure if he has some sort of binding vow or whatever Keep in mind Star n Stripe is 6+ ft tall so being able to affect an area 1000 times her size is 6000+ ft tall And she can move around to make the vacuum bigger before the air rushes in The empty space will just follow Gojo until he suffocates
@@hoominbeeing apparently due to new leaks, it seems like he couldn’t teleport in the fight due to specific reasons, which I assume relate to using blue in a mass populated area or buildings. So I do think he would be able to teleport if we were fighting in a plain or somewhere in the sky/sea
@@alphateam3326 Which specific reasons? That is too vague to draw any conclusion from. We've never actually seen Gojo teleport in a fight at all, hence I have trouble believing he'd use it in a cross-verse battle
Im not even saying that the end result is wrong, but using a domain that creates an island as proof that a character is island level makes no sense. If that was the case Gojo would be universe level cause his domain creates the emptyness of space and contains all information lmaooo
It’s tough to calculate because a domain expansion is an imprint of one’s soul onto a place. Dogan creating an island could mean many things but I wouldn’t say he’s island level.
@@jamonrandomstuff4294gojo is famous to sorcerers not everyone else so it not like hes world famous only s small group of people actually know who he is
@@thechosen3103 she could just ask him. Its gojo and theirs a good chance he just tells her. Also like knowing his name is not a big ask its not like gojo name is some mystically guarded secret like Atem was in yugioh
Something I’d love to hear someone talk about in one of these matchups is that if the opponent doesn’t kill Gojo with cursed energy, he might become an absolutely terrifying curse to go up against
I dont think u can use the inside of domains to scale characters as the series states multiple times that there is a difference between creating an actual object like mai or yorozu and forming your cursed energy to look like somthing like hanami with his vines, its like saying gojo has infinite/unqualifiable energy bc his domain is a literal void, but there jus showings or representations of a innate technique and i dont think theyre meant to be taken literally, otherwise dagon would be star level for having a sun in his domain which doesnt make sense being that hes the weakest disaster curse
The difference is you cant touch anything in gojos domain while in dagons or jogos you can physically interact with like a real place we saw them play football in dagons domain etc
@Kronidis If theres nothing to touch what was jogo standing on, nothing? Its almost as if the rules inside metaphysical space are different than the real world and subsequently shouldn't be made to be a 1 to 1 comparison to one another
I'm genuinely curious why Dagon's domain being an island means him and characters above him are at minimum island level in terms of power, I thought domains were just a physical manifestation of their curse technique, it shouldn't matter what it looks like in theory. Going with that reasoning, Gojo's Domain is an Unlimited Void which is planetary/universal? in size maybe but that lost to a "smaller space" Malevolent Shrine so the size of what is summoned shouldn't matter no. I'm not asking to rag on you, I see this argument a lot, it just confuddles me. Obviously ignoring that scaling, Gojo has still demonstrated feats that go along with what you talk about so it's not wrong per say.
You cant touch anything in gojos domain you can in dogons interact physically with things but his domain has a sun so we can assume some things physically exist while some doesnt
@@KronidisYou can stand and move around in UV, so yes you can touch at the very least the ground there. There's also the fact that his "construct" is a black hole. These constructs really shouldn't scale them anywhere, because like OP said here, they are simply visual representations of the technique and are more akin to a painting than anything else
How is Gojo’s construct a black hole. It doesnt possess ANY property of one. In Dagon’s case it is a direct creation feat, which is not due to hax, which is why he scales to it ap wise
Ok but how does this scale strength, shouldn’t it be hacks instead? Making and island doesn’t mean you can hit somebody with an island level force, a construction worker wouldn’t be building level because they built a building
This entire fight even happens if she can touch infinity. And even with her touching lasers and air, it’s really presumptuous to say that she could touch infinity.
New order is a perfect CT. The fact you have to touch something and state the name to give it a command is a really good binding vow. Add a CT reversal and a domain expanision and it will make anybody special grade.
The biggest problem I have with the video so far, I'm only six minutes in, is the way you describe Decay as having overpowered S&S's durability... that's not what happened. S&S made herself completely immune to Decay, but her quirk was stolen, resulting in the order no longer functioning. I believe Shigaraki himself explained as much in the chapter; the gist of it is that S&S couldn't protect both herself and her quirk so when given the no-win scenario she tried to protect herself but died anyways due to her quirk being taken and the rule being rendered useless because of that.
@@oddeyesabsolutefailure1487 The purple technique is a clash of two opposing forces that distorts space and transforms into an imaginary mass, based on its concept it would have to be Ftl
They would actually need the inverted spear of other artifacts that exist in JJK verse. Also, people saying that other characters that can teleport can just bypass his infinity always forget that Gojo controls space itself and why he is capable of teleportation in the first place. A distortion in space will be automatically detected by his six eyes and Gojo will just trap them in that space and crash them more like he did to the hands and feet of guy who likes to make wallet from old people's skin. Also, since there really is infinite space surrounding Gojo, anyone with lower precision than Gojo will just get trapped in between that infinite space. As for then teleporting exactly where Gojo's body is, well, Gojo's six eyes will also sense that and even just little movement will make their teleportation fail.
@@BrokenRonin Calling it little damage is really putting it lightly. Shigaraki didn't "survive" suffocation. He stopped it. Neither he nor Gojo can "survive suffocating". Suffocating means you're not breathing which means eventually once all the oxygen you already have is depleted, you die. There's no surviving suffocation itself. Please choose your words more carefully next time.
Breakdown of Limitless: Infinity: Infinitely divides the space between Gojo and a specific target Blue: Creates Negative space which breaks the universe into forcing mass into the negative space which causes the attraction Red: Creates infinite space between Gojo and a target so it repulses them completely Purple: Creates imaginary mass which deletes real mass to make sure that the universe doesn't break
Name the ch purple is stated to erase matter. Red doesn’t create an infinite space 💀 Toji would’ve been flung to the other side of the universe if that was the case.
@@jackaboynaylor9273limitless is a technique that operates at an atomic level stated by miguel so anything that comes from it is atomisation: Infinity:divides a finite amount of space infinite time Red: repels the target Blue: attracts the target Hollow:is the collision of both infinities blue and red it attracts and repels you at an atomic level Better?
@@jackaboynaylor9273 Toji didn't get hit by Red. He got repelled by the concussive power of the blast, but he neutralized the actual technique by blocking it with his spear. Gojo reveals that the actual trauma of getting hit is different from the actual technique when Sukuna thought he just barely tanked it and the technique was still active.
@@Kronidis He says 'This is the limitless jujutsu Geto was talking about. A precise manipulation of cursed energy at an atomic level to control space.' He controls CE on that level to control space not that his attacks work on the atomic level. I swear the entire JJK Community have gaslighted themselves into believing he attacks on the atomic level 💀
God I love these sort of videos. No matter who wins, it's nevertheless FASCINATING. And I think the research you put into this stuff feels a level above others who make similar videos. Keep up the amazing work!
The island level creation power of domain is very inconsistent because of binding vows in JJK, the constructs are temporary and thats why they are as big as an island
This doesn't really mean anything, though. I would even go as far as to say it's lowballing. Cursed spirits, if they were physical, would be MUCH more durable than they look. Cursed energy is much more powerful than explosives and weapons but covers a smaller area in general than you'd think. First grade sorcerers are grenade and bullet proof and they're meant to kill cursed spirits that could survive carpet bombing runs. So assuming Dagon can temporarily make an island, I would say destroying that island is more impressive than a real one because it's reinforced with cursed energy.
@@muntu1221Curses are physical 😐 they are just invisible with the lower grades being capable of phasing through matter. Grade one is already really high in the verse and isn’t a far comparison putting them against bullets and small explosives that aren’t that high in the conventional weapons hierarchy. I’d like to see a grade one survive a MOAB and above.
There's also different statements about the constructs being more akin to painting than anything else, where they can really just make anything they want, witout those structures being "real" per se. Its also worth noting that unlimited void is shown with a black hole inside it. And unless you truly believe he is solar system +, that is a VERY direct implification that the constructs inside means absolutely nothing in terms of actual scaling
no the reason why its not a factor is because domains are a fake sorta pocket dimension. If a character could create a mountain in their domain yet they chose to simply send a pillar of rock against an enemy they are trying to kill it makes no sense. Also the fact that domains are strong from the inside is why we never see somebody trying to directly escape and dont actually know how big they are. Ya can also see them as a sorta hack as they are manifestation of an inner world sorta thing and may or may not scale to the character directly
The problem with the planetary scaling with the black hole is that it's a black hole and that black holes suck and the problem with the sukuna statement was that it said" as we know it" which means they would only be able to destroy Society.
Ok i agree with most of it except for 3 things: 1. Star and Strips can impose a rule way after having touched someone, that's what she did with Shigaraki she doesn't need to set the rule at the same time as she is contact with the person so she could still find a way to stay back and impose the new order on gojo's heart after having touched him once. The infinity being back won't matter Gojo would already be reached. 2. It's unlikely that Gojo could survive to the rule with Reverse curse technique. Sukuna can but mostly he doesn't need a heart to live or make his vessel the body live so him bringing back the heart later isn't a problem. Gojo survived to Toji because he started using RCT to heals his the while being cut so the healing was already in motion, Yuta used Rct on Itadori while he was stabbing him and the doctor who is better than Gojo can't use RCT to save Yuji missing heart. So my guess is that unless he receive a direct physical attack he can't use RCT to bring back his heart or to from a heart attack. 3. Even if star is physically weaker than All Might that doesn't make her weaker than Gojo. All Might is physically stronger than anybody in the JJK verse ,including Gojo and Sukuna. If she isn't as strong as All might she at least stronger than Toji or Maki that Sukuna noticed to be a threat when they were fighting.
It’s been stated that the brain is where everything is to be able to manipulate cursed energy. It has also been stated that if the body Sukuna is in dies he dies with them. So it is safe to assume that Gojo could survive even temporarily without a heart. It is in line with the current manga Gojo’s organs get damaged and he is able to heal them. Now if a heart stops beating they don’t die instantly, they go into cardiac arrest. During this time Gojo could destroy his own heart and rebuild it. Theoretically the heart the star placed a rule on is gone and it is a new heart.
@@gingerjack8863 that is true but they never said that a human can heal everything with curse energie or resurected from the dead. they made clear that Sukuna and Itadori have different property in that body. And it is implied that RCT for a curse is greater than RCT for humans, due to their limitations, Sukuna can live without a heart which make him losing it trivial and growing it back trivial as well, but Itadori Will die without it. If the heart stops beating then brain doesn't flow to the brain and it won't work. Sukuna could only heal Megumi because he wasn't dead yet, but the doctor couldn't do anything to save Itadori who was already dead. Sukuna because a heart is nothing to him. Human and curses doesn't have the same limitations when it comes RCT. The only way for Gojo to survive would be to understand what would happen and set the RCT before his heart stop, even then it's not guaranted that RCT would work, since the rule won't be a physical or a curse attack, his heart will stop they would be nothing to heal like it was when Yuji lost his heart.
I disagree with the idea that domain expansions equate to characters’ overall attack potency. For one, Jogo’s maximum is a small meteor, which resulted in city block-small town level destruction. 15 finger Sukuna admitted that this would have hurt him. Dagon’s AP is also definitely not mountain level. If you use domains to equate people’s AP, then is Gojo universal?? Lmfao. Plus, Gojo’s punches and strikes have never once displayed power even close to the calcs which are being given. The greatest direct AP we see is from Yuki- both with her punches, and with her black hole. But she’a an entire outlier.
EXACTLY WHAT IM SAYING, it’s like saying a construction worker is building level because they made a building. It’s just silly. And scaling people’s ap based on outlier abilities like that black hole is also soilly
Actually yea gojo was being arrogant yes but in jjk explaining your technique and how it works actually gives the user a boost in how effective/useful the technique would be
Problem one with the "ungraspable things" is that a laser is still made up of something while infinities are made up of distance. I think she could in theory create a rule that could bipass infinity but that would be the extent of her manipulation of it.
He definitely still does need to breathe. RCT can regenerate and remove poison. It can't supply your body with oxygen. Think of it like this: No matter how good a mechanic is, he'll never be able to get a car running without fuel.
@@Bwear04 Sukuna brought Yuji back after he was dead for over 4 hours( He had blue lips) and Gojo destroyed his brain while repairing it, I do not think Gojo needs lungs if he just keeps healing the damage, same as Sukuna by removing Yuji's heart. No air is circulating with the heart gone, they do not need to breathe witg Rct
@@Bwear04 Yeah, but a binding vow between two people has to be something that both can give. Sukuna can use RCT really damn well and Yuji can surrender control if he chooses. The binding vow removes the choice. If binding vows weren't limited by what the sorcerers can do, then conversations like this could take place: "I'll give you $1M (I don't have $1M, btw) if you give me a high five" "Ok."
Assuming that stopping his heart is the best rule she can come up with is a bit of a cope out since she could probably say something like satoru gojo is incapable of using cursed energy and win in an instant. Also, as soon as shes already touching gojo, even if she removes the rule to bypass infinity since shes touching him already she wouldnt be repelled by it and could set the new rule without losing her buff rule.
Who told you that touching him means he can't repel you? Increasing the output turns Infinity into a wall that pushes and crushes people near him. He did this to Hanami. It's how he flies.
She will already have used her 2 rules. One will HAVE to be that she can touch him and bypass infinity, the other will be her boosting herself. She will have to sacrifice her boosts to herself if she wants to use a new rule, otherwise she can't touch him
@@w1nther930 she can decide what rule she drops though. All she has to do is say she can touch gojo while remaining boosted. Then after touching him she can set the rule that his ability will cease to function if he moves similar to the rule she set on shaggy. She then drops the rule bypassing limitless since limitless only slows your approach speed infinitely and won't affect her if she's already touching him after which when he counters her his ability gets turned off and it guarantees her win
@@MarsMelora I like the thought process but what’s to say Gojo is letting her do all this? Let’s say she gets her hands on him using the get past infinity rule, what’s to say Gojo won’t just teleport as soon as she touches or pops a Domain which while it won’t trap her it will stun lock her or just simply throw a blue or red to get her off him or even just deck her in the face with a black flash? He can definitely do all this before she says the second rule. Also there’s the fact that his six eyes can read abilities meaning unless she can blitz him from the go he’s gonna know what she’s doing.
@@jokingnessy6709my hero academia charecters are WAY faster then jjk charecters. You have stars n stripes throwing and reacting to lasers in this video where jjk is consistently hypersonic. It'd be the opposite where she could fire of two rules before gojo even registers her talking.
I see Star and strip taking 2/10 fights if Gojo decides to play around. Cause her quirk could remove the oxygen from around Gojo to stop him from breathing (by creating a vacuum). Since the brain controls cursed techniques, if he’s not getting oxygen to his brain he wouldn’t be able to maintain limitless, teleport or use reversed curse technique. But if Gojo is serious from the get go, he really just needs unlimited void and purple and it’s gg. He probably get Toji flashbacks due to her not having cursed energy and keeping up, thus going for the kill right away.
That would only really work if Gojo decided to be an idiot and let himself slowly choke to unconsciousness. It takes time for asphyxiation to have an effect on the body, I mean you can literally hold your breath and show yourself. Gojo would have at least a minute, and likely closer to 3-4 before his body truly began to shut down, during which he could easily just leave the sphere of no oxygen. Also, the six eyes can make a moment last far longer in Gojo's head than it would to any other person, he would certainly realize that he couldn't breathe extremely quickly and just leave or disable her instantly with unlimited void.
theirs a decent chance if she is light speed she could just touch purple and before it kills her make a rule that she can control it and toss it back at gojo at the speed of light and purple can bypass his infinity which would one shot him. Using purple could be the worst idea he has
@@tdawg490I think having all the air in your lungs violently ripped out and the lungs themselves explode is a bit worse than holding yo breath for a bit.
one thing im not sure abt is if new order will do anything if she comes into “contact” with infinity. infinitys just expanding the space between gojo and whatevers approaching him, its not like a shield. so unless she can impose rules on space itself wouldnt she have no chance of doing anything abt infinity
For Gojo, his destructive capacity isnt quite scalable to being the best just due to him being "the strongest" with Sukuna. Gojo hasn't shown the ability to massively damage his surroundings, besides in a "tunnel" for a few hundred meters. Yuki is probably just an exception because of her specitic technique, wirh Sukuna's statement likely referring to him uprooting the world as we know it as opposed to destroying it (unless his unknown techniques help somehow).
Imagine if the New Order was a cursed technique. With such a technique, a sorcerer could become a first-level or even a special level sorcerer. I would also add Shikigami who, after the sorcerer touched a person or a curse, would give him all the necessary information about the person and the curse.
It sucks because if she had at least like 2 more rules she’d have this fight in the bag Or she had a quirk awakening then I could see some limiters being removed and or more rules added. Ducking g sucks since she’s dead and we can’t see any of that happen now……… mha should have introduced her WAY earlier and could have even killed her off same time period but it’d have more impact
what i dont get is ...why didnt she just grab time? she could just do Eri's quirk and be done with people... remove time from people like she does air or something.
@bandanadeesupremacy332 time is affected by kinetic energy and can be touched or transferred between people. Time is also affected by gravity. A person ages faster depending on these 2 factors, and movement is also affected by these 2 factors. If one removed these factors, there would be no time and no events to take place. Since both of these touch everything just like air, she could have manipulated both and thus manipulated time. I suppose from your comment, it can be assumed that she wasn't smart enough to "grasp" that.
Due to how curse energy is explained someone who is stacked with better ap and ce they can implement their attack on the weaker opponent rather easily. This wouldn’t work on characters like Goku or Rimiru tho.
Before watching the video, I want to leave a comment first. Now Stars and Stripes can bypass Infinity by making a rule with New Order to touch him, however, she can’t use her heart stop rule like with Shigaraki because she can only set two rules, and one of them allows her to bypass Infinity, and another where she has a boost in strength. She must keep the Infinity rule at all costs or she won’t hit Gojo, and if she undoes her strength rule, Gojo might blitz her. Not to mention Gojo also has RCT, Red, Blue, and Domain Expansion. So tbh, Gojo beats Stars and Stripes, but at what difficulty I’m not sure.
@@frostscythe910 She cannot kill Gojo without removing his head since rct is broke on him and Sukuna. So if the rule is weak, Gojo will just speed blitz Stars and Stripes if she removes the amp rule
How to win against gojo as stars and stripes: 1) put barrier around gojo by solidifying air around him, it doesnt have to touch his infinity 2) yeet the barrier, with gojo inside it, to space Kars style 3)undo barrier 4)profit
@@bandanadeesupremacy332 yeah I can see that happening, didn't really think about that. Also, do you think she can explode gojo's brain from the inside out and therefore bypass infinity? Seems viable to me.
@@StarPlatinumber17 yeah I can also see that happening, didn't really think about that either. Also, do you think she can explode gojo's brain from the inside out and therefore bypass infinity? Seems viable to me.
14:46 You can’t prove that it didn’t just arc to his arm. And we only see movement from Hakari after the bolt is already gone meaning simply measuring the distance to his arm for the timeframe is invalid because the bolt is already long gone with thunder taking its place. The next instance Hakari is only thinking relative to his head exploding not the bolt with the speed of cranial explosion being unknown. His regeneration would certainly affect the speed of the destruction as well.
@@jackaboynaylor9273kashimo said i would go for his head and hakaris arm and head is not on the same level so he made that kind of movement and its the lighting is sol in speed if you read how it works
@@Kronidis It has been shown that he doesn’t have complete control over his CE due to its electrical properties when he fell into the ocean. The bolt could’ve easily arced to his shoulder which is right next to his head.
@@jackaboynaylor9273if you know physics that not the case its not that he cant control his ce that he would lose it if comes in contact with water XD what bad debunk is this
Holy... ppl are still scaling based on how domains look? The only domain we can scale to this day is Sukuna's because his is the only one whose effects we have seen on the outside world. The interior of the domain doesn't tell us anything.
@@Kronidis No Kusakabe said that the looks of a domain mostly don't mean anything. And even if you think about it. Dagon's domain is not just an island but an entire sea and star while Sukuna's is just a shrine. Does that mean Dagon's domain scales above Sukuna's? Gojo's domain is empty, does Dagon scale above him? No its only the sure hit that matters and Sukuna's is the only one we have seen affect the outside world thus we can scale it.
@@deliciousdex4354 sukuna has other means to scale him and you can physically interact with some parts of dagons domain that is created are by his own ce so you can scale to it
Stars: I stop ur heart Gojo: Ok cool, domain expansion, hollow purple Stars: nuh uh no domain Gojo: Still, hollow purple Stars: No hollow purple Gojo: cool now I can use neutral infinity again unless you kept that rule, then domain expansion
But now that I think about it can’t gojo be simply sealed, you don’t need to overcome limitless to seal him , you just need a space tough enough so that it is impossible for him to break out
@@glogangglory I am not talking about a physical seal but a spiritual one , kenjaku succeeded in sealing gojo , if gojo could break the seal using purple don’t you think he would’ve done that?
@@chriscolombie4135 you're prolly right, but Gojo's infinity was down at the time of the sealing so we dont really how prison realm would interact with infinity.
@@bobcutbirb1873 it was not stated that his infinity was down though and technically infinity wouldn’t work against a seal big enough since it’s not to harm gojo
In the situation where gojo tells S&S about his technique, couldn't she just remove the All Might rule and go "Stars and Stripes is as strong as Satoru Gojo"?
There’s a cap to the amp boost she can apply to herself. If she did that, nothing would change for her. It's like this- (Stars = 20) (All might = 100) (Gojo Satoru = 200) “I wish to be as strong as all might.” Intended result: 20 -> 100 Actual result: 20 -> 80 Her strength would go up, but it didn’t make her as strong as all might. And if she tried it with Gojo in mind, she’d get the same result, as her quirk can’t manage to surpass her limit. “I wish to be as strong as Gojo Satoru.” Intended result: 20 -> 200 Actual result: 20 -> 80
@@kylewilson2004I'd agree but jjk is vastly weaker than mha. Mid tier mha characters could best top tier jjk characters. The only character that even stands a chance against someone like all might is gojo because of hax. Also star would easily be able to have the same strength as gojo because gojo in terms of basic stats isn't stronger than all might theyrebnot even close(prime all might btw) . The only problem is limitless and domain expansion. She can't copy those.
@@aisaback6221 copying gojo physical stat is as useless as it goes. it's like she just nerf herself. and doesn't even address the problem in this matchup at all
The low to mid mha scale is country to continent, you don't mention how close all for one which is what he was even is to his full power when we do get the percentages, then really got into highball gojo and go really in to an extremely high ball version of the hikari feat when he barely moves in comparison to the lightning, while even allmight only in the beginning of the series is faster than the navel laser and don't use any of the higher Calcs for Stars and strips. the biggest thing is taking gojo is the strongest out of context when it's know he not only trains but it's confirmed maki and toji are physically stronger and he's on par with kenjaku, just because his abilities allow him too overall be the strongest that doesn't literally mean in every way he beats everyone at anything
@@tuuydfh3698you know the only thing that pissed me off power scalers just already proved themselves to be biased once they seen a chapter of jjk they think Gojo could be everybody in my hero and Hunter x Hunter which is fucking stupid I don't understand what's going on with this world
Could she impose a rule getting rid of his ability to use cursed energy in general? And if she did impose a rule of making his head explode if he moved or something, couldn’t that rule just replace the removal/bypass of infinity rule (or even the physical power one) since she already made the necessary contact and said the name to make the new rule? Also could she give herself Limitless? Ofc even if she could, she wouldn’t be able to use it on his scale, but Infinity and Purple would still be just as useful right? Or would this scenario as a whole contradict her limitations? Either way I guess she wouldn’t know that huh? All of this assuming she has the necessary names to enact the quirk ofc.
She wouldnt be able to because theres nothing to touch she wouldn't know what limitless infinity is either way and if she could of given herself others powers she would but she cant
@@niggamancer6985 this is assuming Gojo gives her the speel, in which case she would know about Limitless and Infinity. At least Infinity, but I’m talking about a scenario in which he mentions Limitless as a whole. And ofc it’s not unlikely to mention cursed energy in general if he does explain any parts of Limitless to someone who doesn’t know about the existence of cursed energy in the first place.
Her quirk has lots of limitations. If star even wants to touch him to activate her ability she already needs to use up a rule spot. And its not like gojo is going to Stand still and let her do it. Plus she cant just give herself abilities like limitless, its def to complex for her to just say "i have limitless now"
@@Reverse_Peakwhy would he explain it to her though he explained it to gojo because he knew jojo couldnt beat he saw what jojo could do first why would he be in a foreign land with a foreign opponent he has no clue what her power is and randomly explain everything to her.
@@niggamancer6985 you’re missing the point. I’m not saying he would, I’m asking what would happen if he did. Just like how in the video, we were given a scenario in which he was feeling arrogant enough to explain Infinity, I’m going off that same scenario in my comment, just out of curiosity of if she could do these things if she had the necessary information.
She can affect the world around him and herself to bypass them. She had this same problem when shigaraki or Afo no longer worked as the name to use. She can still fight without knowing names or touching characters you know
@@fancymustache3793 Ok, so she creates rule that somehow bypasses infinity, now what? She can't do shit still because Gojo will simply use his DE and she is fried
@@senjusan6359 New rule: There is no cursed energy in this space. This id possible as shown by her removing the air in a very respectable range during her fight against shigaraki as well as controlling the air in a different scene. She may not be able to SEE cursed energy but she can still remove it if she comes "into contact" with it. Perhaps she can use the air as a medium to remove the cursed energy such as "Cursed energy cannot exist in this air space" could possibly work. then its just a fist fight with no cursed energy enhancements for gojo which im sure star and stripes is the physically superior one.
@@fancymustache3793 if that works, she could've said "all quirks acquired by all for one don't work in this area". Her ability clearly has limits, but even if it didn't she would have to know what CE even is to do that.
@@fancymustache3793 No. His abilities exist everywhere because Space and time and gravity exist everywhere. His abilities work in every verse. We're using verse equalization here. His quirk is limitless/six eyes.
i always say, gojo fights could easily be over in like 5 seconds -they spawn -gojo uses blue to bring his opponent into range -"domain expansion:infinite void." -either just kill them in there by some means(such as ripping their head off like he did jogo) -close domain and use purple while the opponents brain is still cooling down
Gojo dont even need to attack, mf would flood that women's brain with so much information that even with a buff specific to the brain, that she at bare minimum turns into a vegetable
@@mr.p215 'You must be from one of the big three sorcerer families. Most likely Zen’in… no wonder you knew about blue, red… And the limitless. But this… even within the Gojo family… is known only to a few. Motion and reversal. It is borne by colliding both infinities. An imaginary mass rushes forth… Hollow technique! Purple!' Where does it say that purpled erases matter in that statement?
What ya'll don't understand is that stars and stripes could just teleport herself over to Gojo's location, touch him while saying his name and cause him to implode. Everyone says "he can regenerate his heart!" but they all forget that she could have just ordered shiggy to explode or implode instantly.
Now that I think about it she can alter infinity since by technicality she is touching it although she would have to know that concept and if gojo doesn't tell her what is blocking her from touching him although revealing your hand in jjk actually makes your shit stronger so double edge situation right there
Even if she got past Infinity, Gojo is durable as fk 😂 he tanked Sukuna domain expansion let's be real.. and if she's gonna try to grt close to Gojo his fists are strong as sht
@@jackaboynaylor9273 I doubt she would be able to destroy the domain but using the malevolent shrine feat wasn’t good on his part cuz the most destruction we have seen it do was destroy a city that’s not that good….like at all 💀💀
Isn't revealing how a curse technique works, makes it more powerful? Wouldn't Gojo tell her how his power works so that it can become even more efficient?
@@nuhaznoor7899It is, it’s actually said quite a few times. Revealing your hand is a binding vow you can make with yourself, and doing so can increase your CE and the effectiveness of your technique.
As an avid dbz fan I love how with the popularity of jjk the question is beginning to become “can they beat gojo?” I’ve been sick of the can they beat goku discussion since I was a kid just because of how far people would go just to prove that goku could beat a certain character and they would break their own rules to do so and still be wrong 😭
yuki was planning to take down kenjaku if she dies, then her techniques will run rampant, like how that old hag did, and since singularities have incomprehensible level of time to die out, but till then the black hole can grow in size and mass. Gojo's own CT has power to literally divide space in infinite partitions of converging or divergence. Yorozu's perfect sphere technique creates literal infinite pressure at the point of contact, annihilating anything in between of her and her target. I do think New order can create absolute commands but gege likes to grasp the concept of infinity, thus overpowering new order in numerous ways...
12:53 Firstly since Yuki’s mass doesn’t affect her it shouldn’t cause her to lose CE meaning she wouldn’t scale to the mass as a creation feat. Secondly Kenny escaped the black hole using antigravity to counteract the event horizon and gravitational pull and unless you can scale the energy needed to imbue his body with enough antigravity to do that he ain’t planetary. Tengen’s exact method of stopping the black hole is unknown making the feat unquantifiable.
Yuki's mass doesn't affect her up to a certain density. We saw Kenjaku getting sucked in by the sheer gravitational pull Yuki had even before the black hole fully formed, this wouldn't be possible if Yuki's mass was still the same as always.
@@visionaryvjae5641 I ain’t saying it’s always the same. I’m saying because her mass doesn’t affect her she shouldn’t need planetary levels of CE to make a black hole that massive. You’ve already acknowledged that her mass itself isn’t what affects her but the gravity it creates so I don’t see a problem.
@@jackaboynaylor9273 the CT only makes it so that up to a certain point the mass generated doesn't make Yuki's speed take a dive, due to having to carry the weight of a mountain or something while moving. It's similar to how The Flash is resistant to getting torn apart by air resistance thanks to speed force hax. However after passing a certain density the mass does start affecting her, the mass affecting her IS the reason Yuki had such a strong gravitational pull in the end. In those last few panels before Yuki actually turned into a black hole she was putting out enough energy to become a black hole.
I don’t think that Gojo would divulge his abilities. He would have seen how fast she was, and he’s not gonna reveal his abilities cuz a power up doesn’t give him an advantage since he’s already stronger than her and the binding vow probably can’t increase anything he needs
Red, Blue and Purple are not concepts... New order doesn't work on things Star n Strikes can not name, and it doesn't work on things she can not touch. She cannot touch attraction, repulsion or non-existence. Gojo teleports behind her and takes her head off. That's the end of the battle.
@@Conquerer_. Her power does *not* work like that. If it did, she would simply add the rule that “no quirk in existence besides my own can affect me”, but of course she can’t do that because thats not how her quirk works 😂
Lol mountain level 🤣🤣🤣🤣 gojo literally has the power to kill entire cities in a matter of seconds. I really wish you guys would make videos ppl want to see. Like gojo vs yoriichi or even sukana vs Muzan etc. and spoiler alert gojo speed is much faster than anyone since his blue technique lets him pull and push himself to and from any location. It’s NOT teleportation 🤦🏾♂️ I should start making these videos because things I’m hearing are incorrect.
Considering that sukuna can now literally cut anything, I think that lends credence to the idea that he could destroy the earth. Also I feel like he’s become one of the most busted characters in fiction, now.
Busted in JJK. Yeah absolutely. Busted in fiction. Nah. Sukuna is fodder. Cutting through space is not impressive in terms of what exists out there in stories. Sukuna is still crazy strong in his verse, but he ain't on that fiction level yet.
@@bandanadeesupremacy332 Yh including verse equalisation, gege wrote for domain expansions to be ineffective unless you have CE, your still abiding by verse equalisation by everything else working as normal. Verse equalisation is just power systems work on eachother. In this case it dosen't apply since a specific power specifically works on its own power system.
Honestly she should have beat Shiggy, she literally only lost due to plot.
True that’s what I’m saying the plot kicked in to save Shigaraki!!
@@joshuafrazier3904 eh it was plot Armour but there was a good explanation for why she couldn't kill him the way she tried to.
never understood the "plot armor" thing...everything is due to plot, including her powers, mentality, intelligence, etc. If the explanation of the events made sense, then it wasn't really an asspull
S&S is the most overrated character in MHA when it comes to power. She unironically gets blitzed by Mina and one shot by Baguko before the final war. She's just weak and Shiggy was better in every way.
@@gaiusx287plot amour mostly refers to the plot taking priority over the character agency or random chance
For example let’s say anime hero loses a fight because they do something they wouldn’t normally do just to move the plot along
Doesn't matter both are miwa victims
true, she violates both.
Ong
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One single simple domain and they are both gone,alongside with half of Japan
Miwa solos Goku verse tbh.
Even if she stopped Gojo’s heart, it’s shown Yuta could simultaneously heal Yuji whilst stabbing him.
RCT is linked to the brain and Gojo has it active pretty much all the time. Unless she took off his head wouldn’t Gojo be able to RCT his heart?
Sukuna did
What if the heart is impossible to resuscitate as long as the command is active?
@@jackaboynaylor9273 Either destroy his own heart and heal it or increase his output and overpower her quirk. The quirk has a limit even for things outside of her. It's like the inverse sorcery technique.
@@jackaboynaylor9273 I don’t know much about her outside of this video-but I’m assuming that would have to be one of her two rules? 🤔
The first problem is getting close enough to Gojo without getting completely demolished immediately.
The second problem is choosing the correct amp to effectively fight Gojo. She has to be able to at least bypass limitless and that’s easier said than done for her.
@@landendrake she speed blitzes him so she can
The actual reason why decay started to work on Stars even after making a rule to resist it is because her quirk got stolen by shigaraki in the process of decaying her
finally someone said it
I thought it was because she can only use 2 or 3 orders at a time
@@lightningboltct4156 you’re right, she can only use two. One of the two at the time was to prevent herself from decaying which actually worked but the effect was weakening as her ability was being stolen via AFO
@@rogue_twin why I said it because she added like two orders to the quirk before she passed it on to someone else
no its because the rule was hitting the limits of how much she can enhance her own body she said it herself
to be fair, the shigaraki vs star is at 98% where he was 74% prior.
75% but yeah very true, he was 98% when he fought Star so nearly complete.
@@carlosesquivel5103 he was 70 % not 90 % he is only 100% now vs deku
@@midnighthunter5677 he was 75% in the first war arc, 98% against star, and 100% against Deku
@@carlosesquivel5103 when was it stated he was 98%?
@@midnighthunter5677 AFO himself said that
Stars and stripes touches infinity
"New order, Infinity reverses its division"
While this might have the effect of crushing gojo, I think we have already seen Infinity with its division reversed. He smashed hanami flat using his infinity which shouldnt happen in its default state. It seems to me that infinity slows targets to a halt but halting something wouldnt result in a stationary object(hanami pressed against a wall) accelerating away from gojo. If star tried this she would force infinity to violently fling everything away from gojo rather than crush him imo.
In a form but Star also wil be fucked up by that because of the proximity
You can't touch infinity it is infinite distance
@@MJI409 she can give commands to air why not give commands to infinity?
Air is a mixture of gases made up of particles, ‘infinity’ is a concept. While h the rescan area it affects it isn’t the air within the area that’s doing anything, it isn’t really even the space itself it’s an effect that surrounds gojo.
I.e. it isn’t a literal force field it’s an effect that produces a similar end result. The question would be ‘is coming into contact with the slowdown effect actual ‘contact’ and is the thing being contacted a ‘thing’ in terms of new order?
If it’s just a concept affecting the world then you can’t ever really touch it, kind of like if shiggy grabbed her arms, is she ‘touching’ decay? Or AfO? Or just shiggy’s hands?
Yuki vs Star and stripes is pretty funny because Star and Stripes can imbue new concepts upon the world or anyone and Yuki can ignore any concept targeted upon her
Thats a cool video idea
She isn’t immune to things that don’t target her though.
Stars could copy Kenny if she wanted and increase the gravity to immobilise her.
Fuck that shouldve been the video, thats way more interesting due to how their powers counteract with each other
@@jackaboynaylor9273 would she think to do that tho?
@@IsThatAThaiName It’s just an example. She can do anything else like that as long as it doesn’t target Yuki directly.
This is honestly a fascinating debate, because it's one of the few MUs where knowledge about the opponent or rather lack of it, is the deciding factor. If Star understood Gojo's abilities, she has all the tools necessary to kill Gojo, but without that knowledge, there's no way for her to figure that out.
Even with knowledge, it is still iffy if she can even bypass Infinity. Not only that but purple can just blitz her and she can't do anything about it
@@mhassankhalid3774she can just say. I am able to bypass infinity. And touch Gojo and say Gojo’s heart will stop
@@mhassankhalid3774but only if she knew
@@user-uv6qu3wb5dyea but to do that she’d need to drop her command that boost her stats and if she does that she gets blitzed and one shot
@@person54454 if his heart will stop he won’t be able to do much, even if she drops her stats, or she could drop the “I can bypass infinity” as she already touched him, so there was no need for it anymore
Horikoshi should have given Star a different quirk, the limitations of her quirk are so convenient. Yaoyorozu's quirk limitations make sense, you can't create what you don't understand but Stars limitations conveniently make her weaken then ofa and afo.
Not even tbh. Star wouldn’t beaten Shigaraki if it wasn’t for plot. He conventionally had no name.
Not even. Her quirk was completely broken, the perfect recipe to beat anyone in the series. It's just Shigaraki just so happened to not identify with that name and was just fast enough to dodge the explosion by literal inches from where it would've been lethal.
to be fair, she would be nearly omnipotent if the number wasn't limited to 2. Heck even having just three makes her able to beat anything that doesn't outright speed blitz her, including both gojo and shiggy
@@Rl55322wait? Isnt It 3? I thought it was 3, she uses 1 to have super strenght and the 2 other for other things.
@@Rl55322three rules wouldn't be enough to beat gojo.
1- Physical amp
2- Immunity to Infinity (on the condition that she knows what infinity is)
3- 1 hit Ko.
Now let's take a look at gojo:
Healing factor, six eyes, blue, red, purple, cursed energy reinforcement and DE.
Star would need a lucky shot, and even that wouldn't be enough if she doesn't attack gojo's brain instead of his heart, assuming she could kill him by attacking his brain.
I’d like say that Stars and Stripes wasn’t just the most powerful woman in America but I think all but stated to be the strongest woman in the world
The thing about this fight is that while Gojo is much, much slower he can process information very quickly with the six eyes, like when he processed 3 years of information in a few seconds before getting put in the magic box. Since he is not at risk of losing a domain battle, it's very likely he could just open with a domain expansion and insta win. However if he explains the name of Infinity, he's probably gonna get his ass blitzed and killed faster than Reverse Cursed technique can save him.
I doubt that He would explain Infonity. He only seems to do that when faced with opponents he knows are weaker than he is. Aside from that, He can also pop a Domain Expansion for 0.2 seconds. I'm 99% sure 6 months (iirc) would be enough to stun lock Star, giving Gojo a pretty easy win. (If He actually takes Her seriously from the jump.)
Thing is, domains other than malevolent shrine or chimera shadow garden can’t trap people without cursed energy.
@@user-tc4zm9nt2j he doesn't really need to trap her in the area, just effect her with unlimited void and overload her senses, making it impossible for her to use New Order.
@user-tc4zm9nt2j What other bro said, it's not like Chimera Shadow Garden where it the Domain is popped and than hamds are swapped. Once IF if popped, it's dunzo, gg, game over, just catch up on Shibuya than you'll know what I mean big manz
@@Arctic7985The problem is that Star should effectively behave the same way as Maki with regards to cursed energy and therefore the Domain simply wouldn’t work as there is no cursed energy for it to lock onto.
Gojo rrly carrying the verse when it comes to cross verse I know its probably a speed problem but still the fact 99% of jjk can’t last a second against mid tier mha characters is Sad ngl
Yeah your right most of the verse can't survive most characters from mha with their feats it mainly the Gojo The Strongest that carries the verse heavily with Infinity.
Yuki is up there as well, she's got some pretty high scaling in terms of AP
@@Rdc_Dom not unless she dies herself to be fair
The speed is far above mach 3 the mach 3 statement is inconsistent as hell gege stated that he isn't good in math he did mistake in calcs if you see their speed feats it's far above mach 3 i know you're talking about mach 3 statement
Naw the high tiers should be pretty strong
I don't really think she would be able to touch the infinity since it is just an infinite space between the target and she hasn't shown the ability to affect concepts like distance otherwise she should be able to for example kinda teleport around by shortening the space between her and the enemy
She was in like a single fight bruh.
She has shown to be able to grasp the intangible so I don’t see why.
@@jackaboynaylor9273 all gojo needs is a single domain expansion and she dies anyways
@@noahpaquin380 All she needs is a single punch that isn't subsonic 💀
@@jackaboynaylor9273she still isn’t beating Gojo
@@jackaboynaylor9273 Intangible objects are still objects. Distance is not an object, but a feature of space-time. You can't touch distance. To reach Gojo, you either need to be allowed by him or completely overpower it with unimaginable levels of cursed energy, which, iirc, Sukuna is the only one who has been able to do. Barring those, you need an ability that functions similar to「ZA HANDO」from JoJo's to get through it.
Gojo divulging how his techniques work actually boosts the strength and effectiveness of his abilities which is risky because she’d know how it works but he’d be stronger than he usually is hax wise
I think a lot of anime characters will struggle fighting against Gojo simply because of Infinity. Even if they are much stronger Infinity is too specific and hard to bypass.
No it isn't, especially if you're talking just anime in general
no infinity is broken on other level it can decrease infinity amount of kinetic energy into nothing means any amount energy reaching him would be zero only a few could get throu this energy by countering his cursed energy and not a lot people could do that and he can heal his body super quickly so crushing his heart would do nothing man came back after almost getting decapted
@@laz0544 Infinity is not even broken. Especially after recent chapter leaks lmao Basically, if you can affect space, you can bypass it.
@@dizzyb2309 no any of physical mass can pass through it
@@dizzyb2309 so because sukuna used a slash that cut everything in reality infinity is bad now?
That mountain level cap is Insane, the star downplay is crazy while the leeway givin to gojo is nuts also crazy cursed energy is needed to hit domain
Have we ever seen her destroy a mountain? I thought that was a high ball already lol
@@SleepyKaos it's scaling the potency of the attacks not the actual impact it has on the surrounding area an example is all might throwing a punch casually that created a storm
@@SleepyKaos the ocean feat was calced to large island level
@@SleepyKaosBitch is fighting a guy who tanks multiple nukes and scales relative to a guy who changes the weather with a punch. 💀
'She hasn’t shown it tho 🤓'
Gojo still stomps her though…
OFA and AFO were the supposed line of power in the MHA world but power curve broke through the wall when introducing stars and stripes.
In JJK there doesn't exist much curse energy outside of Japan so naturally nobody to even come close to Gojo.
its not that the rest of the world lacks cursed energy, its the fact that they don't have a tengen barrier in their country to utilize the energy efficiently
Yeah i thought OFA and AFO was the peak but then star and stripes came in.
@@johnrenwelmauro2387 she just came in out of nowhere to give Shigaraki something to do.
MHA hasn't really done a good job with it's world building.
We don't even have an insight on the heros of Europe.
@@Grayson-Winchester Yeah SAA's death was a plot device she was too strong and needed to be killed it was kinda pointless.
Mha has way better wordbuilding she was hinted at in the first movie
New Order: no cursed energy in a mile radius.
If she could hold 3 rules instead of 2 itd be a monstrous buff and make the fight almost too easy
She'd still lose unless she starts targeting his brain
@@SleepyKaosPunch* done.
@@jackaboynaylor9273 Gojo prob still wins almost every time. She would have to know the name of infinity, get close enough to touch it without getting hit with infinite void, somehow know that just stopping his heart won't be enough, and somehow one tap gojo whos durability is crazy high
he can teleport she won’t touch him
@@sethsifuentes3520 Prove he can clasp his hands before she crushes his brain.
This is an actual good vs idea. I'm hooked. At first i thought it was an easy win for Stripes since she can just say "Gojo will die in three seconds" until i realize she needs to touch him first and get his full name to do so. Can she affect Infinity with her quirk? Is her stats superior or inferior to Gojo? That is exciting to think about it.
She doesn't need to touch him for her "remove air" attack.
Considering she can make an air construct 1000x her own size, deleting such a large volume should be a simple task.
She can just repeatedly delete the air around Gojo while playing keep away with her superior speed. Gojo would eventually suffocate. RCT can heal damage but it can't make extra oxygen.
@@hoominbeeingThat's what I'm saying. She's realistically faster, stronger, and more durable than Gojo. On top of that, her removal of the atmosphere just instantly negates Gojo's Infinity as he's subject to a vacuum.
@@justsomeguywithatoupee8244 Yep. Gojo creates infinite space for limitless and Sukuna bypasses it by targeting "the world" or the space he occupies in with space cleave
However, Star n Stripe is also targeting the space around Gojo and not Gojo himself (he has to touch her to do that), ergo it would bypass it
The only issue is teleportation, but considering Gojo doesn't teleport in the Sukuna fight nor really any of his fights I'm not sure if he has some sort of binding vow or whatever
Keep in mind Star n Stripe is 6+ ft tall so being able to affect an area 1000 times her size is 6000+ ft tall
And she can move around to make the vacuum bigger before the air rushes in
The empty space will just follow Gojo until he suffocates
@@hoominbeeing apparently due to new leaks, it seems like he couldn’t teleport in the fight due to specific reasons, which I assume relate to using blue in a mass populated area or buildings. So I do think he would be able to teleport if we were fighting in a plain or somewhere in the sky/sea
@@alphateam3326 Which specific reasons? That is too vague to draw any conclusion from.
We've never actually seen Gojo teleport in a fight at all, hence I have trouble believing he'd use it in a cross-verse battle
Im not even saying that the end result is wrong, but using a domain that creates an island as proof that a character is island level makes no sense. If that was the case Gojo would be universe level cause his domain creates the emptyness of space and contains all information lmaooo
Yeah the only real creation feats in JJK come from Mai and Yorozu's Construction cursed technique.
It’s tough to calculate because a domain expansion is an imprint of one’s soul onto a place. Dogan creating an island could mean many things but I wouldn’t say he’s island level.
@merikijiyaable I agree, I think powerscaling is fun, but scaling domains that way is complete nonsense
But Gojo's domain isn't an empty universe with all the information ever. Dagons domain is literally an island
@jazzwinningthechip6821 what is Gojos domain then?
She would need to know Gojo's full name and touch him to impose a rule on him, so idk exactly how she wants to achieve that
I’m pretty sure she can the name of the strongest sorcerer ever pretty easily
I dont think it would be that hard to find out Gojos full name
@@jamonrandomstuff4294gojo is famous to sorcerers not everyone else so it not like hes world famous only s small group of people actually know who he is
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How would star get gojo full name.
@@thechosen3103 she could just ask him. Its gojo and theirs a good chance he just tells her. Also like knowing his name is not a big ask its not like gojo name is some mystically guarded secret like Atem was in yugioh
Something I’d love to hear someone talk about in one of these matchups is that if the opponent doesn’t kill Gojo with cursed energy, he might become an absolutely terrifying curse to go up against
I dont think u can use the inside of domains to scale characters as the series states multiple times that there is a difference between creating an actual object like mai or yorozu and forming your cursed energy to look like somthing like hanami with his vines, its like saying gojo has infinite/unqualifiable energy bc his domain is a literal void, but there jus showings or representations of a innate technique and i dont think theyre meant to be taken literally, otherwise dagon would be star level for having a sun in his domain which doesnt make sense being that hes the weakest disaster curse
Having a sun in his domain would make him star level where do people get these leaps from
The difference is you cant touch anything in gojos domain while in dagons or jogos you can physically interact with like a real place we saw them play football in dagons domain etc
@niggamancer6985 bro ive seen shit like that on toooo many scaling vids, i gotta call it out even tho i fuck wit ronin lmao
@Kronidis If theres nothing to touch what was jogo standing on, nothing? Its almost as if the rules inside metaphysical space are different than the real world and subsequently shouldn't be made to be a 1 to 1 comparison to one another
Lmao I just finished reading the volume she was in and was wondering the same thing. You gotta be the best anituber out right now bruh
Thats elite timing 😂 and thank you man im glad you rocking with the videos
I'm genuinely curious why Dagon's domain being an island means him and characters above him are at minimum island level in terms of power, I thought domains were just a physical manifestation of their curse technique, it shouldn't matter what it looks like in theory. Going with that reasoning, Gojo's Domain is an Unlimited Void which is planetary/universal? in size maybe but that lost to a "smaller space" Malevolent Shrine so the size of what is summoned shouldn't matter no. I'm not asking to rag on you, I see this argument a lot, it just confuddles me. Obviously ignoring that scaling, Gojo has still demonstrated feats that go along with what you talk about so it's not wrong per say.
You cant touch anything in gojos domain you can in dogons interact physically with things but his domain has a sun so we can assume some things physically exist while some doesnt
@@KronidisYou can stand and move around in UV, so yes you can touch at the very least the ground there.
There's also the fact that his "construct" is a black hole. These constructs really shouldn't scale them anywhere, because like OP said here, they are simply visual representations of the technique and are more akin to a painting than anything else
How is Gojo’s construct a black hole. It doesnt possess ANY property of one. In Dagon’s case it is a direct creation feat, which is not due to hax, which is why he scales to it ap wise
@@squidwardismydaddy3480The distortion of space and the event Horizon. 😐
Ok but how does this scale strength, shouldn’t it be hacks instead? Making and island doesn’t mean you can hit somebody with an island level force, a construction worker wouldn’t be building level because they built a building
This entire fight even happens if she can touch infinity. And even with her touching lasers and air, it’s really presumptuous to say that she could touch infinity.
18:55 Love the Fate Extra music choice.. It suits your analysis and explanations very well😌
New order is a perfect CT. The fact you have to touch something and state the name to give it a command is a really good binding vow. Add a CT reversal and a domain expanision and it will make anybody special grade.
The biggest problem I have with the video so far, I'm only six minutes in, is the way you describe Decay as having overpowered S&S's durability... that's not what happened.
S&S made herself completely immune to Decay, but her quirk was stolen, resulting in the order no longer functioning.
I believe Shigaraki himself explained as much in the chapter; the gist of it is that S&S couldn't protect both herself and her quirk so when given the no-win scenario she tried to protect herself but died anyways due to her quirk being taken and the rule being rendered useless because of that.
That makes zero sense. She literally has 2 commands. But had to choose one or the other
@@rohanking12ablethe thing is she was immune to decay but not immune to her quirk being taken
@@rohanking12able she also had to maintain her dutability or shigaraki could just snap her neck or smth
The highest feat in terms of speed (although reaction) is when Sukuna was able to react to purple at 200%, by scaling Gojo should equal that feat
we dont know how fast hollow purple is though
No, the highest feat is Gojo teleporting from the Japan trench (8000 meters) in front of Kenjaku
@@MindlessMenace teleportation does not count as a speed feat
@@oddeyesabsolutefailure1487 The purple technique is a clash of two opposing forces that distorts space and transforms into an imaginary mass, based on its concept it would have to be Ftl
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FTL jjk. Lmao. That's beyond wank.
People have an hard time grasping the fact that 99% of characters in fiction can't bypass limitless neutral field given how CT and CE works
Well it's a good thing She can do just that
@@markmontes17how?
@@markmontes17no she can’t AT ALL
Depends on the verse, verses where stuff like spatial manipulation is common shouldn’t have too much trouble.
They would actually need the inverted spear of other artifacts that exist in JJK verse. Also, people saying that other characters that can teleport can just bypass his infinity always forget that Gojo controls space itself and why he is capable of teleportation in the first place. A distortion in space will be automatically detected by his six eyes and Gojo will just trap them in that space and crash them more like he did to the hands and feet of guy who likes to make wallet from old people's skin. Also, since there really is infinite space surrounding Gojo, anyone with lower precision than Gojo will just get trapped in between that infinite space. As for then teleporting exactly where Gojo's body is, well, Gojo's six eyes will also sense that and even just little movement will make their teleportation fail.
RCT doesn't reverse oxygen depletion. It makes you regenerate. Also suffocation isn't "little damage". It's literally death
Its not literal death lmao. Shigaraki survived it and people survive suffocating all the time
@@BrokenRonin Calling it little damage is really putting it lightly. Shigaraki didn't "survive" suffocation. He stopped it. Neither he nor Gojo can "survive suffocating". Suffocating means you're not breathing which means eventually once all the oxygen you already have is depleted, you die. There's no surviving suffocation itself. Please choose your words more carefully next time.
Breakdown of Limitless:
Infinity: Infinitely divides the space between Gojo and a specific target
Blue: Creates Negative space which breaks the universe into forcing mass into the negative space which causes the attraction
Red: Creates infinite space between Gojo and a target so it repulses them completely
Purple: Creates imaginary mass which deletes real mass to make sure that the universe doesn't break
Name the ch purple is stated to erase matter.
Red doesn’t create an infinite space 💀 Toji would’ve been flung to the other side of the universe if that was the case.
@@jackaboynaylor9273limitless is a technique that operates at an atomic level stated by miguel so anything that comes from it is atomisation:
Infinity:divides a finite amount of space infinite time
Red: repels the target
Blue: attracts the target
Hollow:is the collision of both infinities blue and red it attracts and repels you at an atomic level
Better?
@@jackaboynaylor9273 Toji didn't get hit by Red. He got repelled by the concussive power of the blast, but he neutralized the actual technique by blocking it with his spear. Gojo reveals that the actual trauma of getting hit is different from the actual technique when Sukuna thought he just barely tanked it and the technique was still active.
@@jackaboynaylor9273red was naturalized by inverted spear of heaven
@@Kronidis He says 'This is the limitless jujutsu Geto was talking about. A precise manipulation of cursed energy at an atomic level to control space.'
He controls CE on that level to control space not that his attacks work on the atomic level. I swear the entire JJK Community have gaslighted themselves into believing he attacks on the atomic level 💀
Hakari didn't react to the fucking lightining. Kahsimo just aimed at his arm because that's what he had marked before.
God I love these sort of videos. No matter who wins, it's nevertheless FASCINATING. And I think the research you put into this stuff feels a level above others who make similar videos. Keep up the amazing work!
the jjk glaze is unreal
Ong 💀
Did he call gojo planetary ☠️☠️☠️☠️I can't with these people first broku now broken ronin
That instantly makes me think she wins. Just the leaps this guy goes to just makes him uncreditable
The island level creation power of domain is very inconsistent because of binding vows in JJK, the constructs are temporary and thats why they are as big as an island
This doesn't really mean anything, though. I would even go as far as to say it's lowballing. Cursed spirits, if they were physical, would be MUCH more durable than they look. Cursed energy is much more powerful than explosives and weapons but covers a smaller area in general than you'd think. First grade sorcerers are grenade and bullet proof and they're meant to kill cursed spirits that could survive carpet bombing runs.
So assuming Dagon can temporarily make an island, I would say destroying that island is more impressive than a real one because it's reinforced with cursed energy.
@@muntu1221Curses are physical 😐 they are just invisible with the lower grades being capable of phasing through matter.
Grade one is already really high in the verse and isn’t a far comparison putting them against bullets and small explosives that aren’t that high in the conventional weapons hierarchy.
I’d like to see a grade one survive a MOAB and above.
@@muntu1221Since When is it states that the Matter created in a domain with cursed energy is also enhanced with CE?
There's also different statements about the constructs being more akin to painting than anything else, where they can really just make anything they want, witout those structures being "real" per se.
Its also worth noting that unlimited void is shown with a black hole inside it. And unless you truly believe he is solar system +, that is a VERY direct implification that the constructs inside means absolutely nothing in terms of actual scaling
no the reason why its not a factor is because domains are a fake sorta pocket dimension. If a character could create a mountain in their domain yet they chose to simply send a pillar of rock against an enemy they are trying to kill it makes no sense. Also the fact that domains are strong from the inside is why we never see somebody trying to directly escape and dont actually know how big they are. Ya can also see them as a sorta hack as they are manifestation of an inner world sorta thing and may or may not scale to the character directly
The problem with the planetary scaling with the black hole is that it's a black hole and that black holes suck and the problem with the sukuna statement was that it said" as we know it" which means they would only be able to destroy Society.
Ok i agree with most of it except for 3 things:
1. Star and Strips can impose a rule way after having touched someone, that's what she did with Shigaraki she doesn't need to set the rule at the same time as she is contact with the person so she could still find a way to stay back and impose the new order on gojo's heart after having touched him once. The infinity being back won't matter Gojo would already be reached.
2. It's unlikely that Gojo could survive to the rule with Reverse curse technique. Sukuna can but mostly he doesn't need a heart to live or make his vessel the body live so him bringing back the heart later isn't a problem. Gojo survived to Toji because he started using RCT to heals his the while being cut so the healing was already in motion, Yuta used Rct on Itadori while he was stabbing him and the doctor who is better than Gojo can't use RCT to save Yuji missing heart. So my guess is that unless he receive a direct physical attack he can't use RCT to bring back his heart or to from a heart attack.
3. Even if star is physically weaker than All Might that doesn't make her weaker than Gojo. All Might is physically stronger than anybody in the JJK verse ,including Gojo and Sukuna. If she isn't as strong as All might she at least stronger than Toji or Maki that Sukuna noticed to be a threat when they were fighting.
It’s been stated that the brain is where everything is to be able to manipulate cursed energy. It has also been stated that if the body Sukuna is in dies he dies with them. So it is safe to assume that Gojo could survive even temporarily without a heart. It is in line with the current manga Gojo’s organs get damaged and he is able to heal them.
Now if a heart stops beating they don’t die instantly, they go into cardiac arrest. During this time Gojo could destroy his own heart and rebuild it. Theoretically the heart the star placed a rule on is gone and it is a new heart.
@@gingerjack8863 that is true but they never said that a human can heal everything with curse energie or resurected from the dead.
they made clear that Sukuna and Itadori have different property in that body. And it is implied that RCT for a curse is greater than RCT for humans, due to their limitations, Sukuna can live without a heart which make him losing it trivial and growing it back trivial as well, but Itadori Will die without it.
If the heart stops beating then brain doesn't flow to the brain and it won't work.
Sukuna could only heal Megumi because he wasn't dead yet, but the doctor couldn't do anything to save Itadori who was already dead. Sukuna because a heart is nothing to him.
Human and curses doesn't have the same limitations when it comes RCT. The only way for Gojo to survive would be to understand what would happen and set the RCT before his heart stop, even then it's not guaranted that RCT would work, since the rule won't be a physical or a curse attack, his heart will stop they would be nothing to heal like it was when Yuji lost his heart.
I disagree with the idea that domain expansions equate to characters’ overall attack potency. For one, Jogo’s maximum is a small meteor, which resulted in city block-small town level destruction. 15 finger Sukuna admitted that this would have hurt him. Dagon’s AP is also definitely not mountain level. If you use domains to equate people’s AP, then is Gojo universal?? Lmfao.
Plus, Gojo’s punches and strikes have never once displayed power even close to the calcs which are being given. The greatest direct AP we see is from Yuki- both with her punches, and with her black hole. But she’a an entire outlier.
EXACTLY WHAT IM SAYING, it’s like saying a construction worker is building level because they made a building. It’s just silly. And scaling people’s ap based on outlier abilities like that black hole is also soilly
Actually yea gojo was being arrogant yes but in jjk explaining your technique and how it works actually gives the user a boost in how effective/useful the technique would be
i really enjoyed the way the analysis of both characters was handled in this vid, i was locked in throughout the whole way
Thumbnail goes hard asf
Problem one with the "ungraspable things" is that a laser is still made up of something while infinities are made up of distance. I think she could in theory create a rule that could bipass infinity but that would be the extent of her manipulation of it.
Gojo does not need to breathe, he has reverse cursed technique constantly keeping his brain fresh. Same thing with stopping his heart
Wait huh... i thought he used RCT to keep his brain from frying out, ur brain still needs oxygen to properly function
He definitely still does need to breathe. RCT can regenerate and remove poison. It can't supply your body with oxygen. Think of it like this: No matter how good a mechanic is, he'll never be able to get a car running without fuel.
@@Bwear04 Sukuna brought Yuji back after he was dead for over 4 hours( He had blue lips) and Gojo destroyed his brain while repairing it,
I do not think Gojo needs lungs if he just keeps healing the damage, same as Sukuna by removing Yuji's heart.
No air is circulating with the heart gone, they do not need to breathe witg Rct
@khulmach9662 Wasnt that whole thing with Yuji and Sukuna a binding vow though? Cuz RCT and a Binding Vow are 2 VERY different things
@@Bwear04 Yeah, but a binding vow between two people has to be something that both can give. Sukuna can use RCT really damn well and Yuji can surrender control if he chooses. The binding vow removes the choice. If binding vows weren't limited by what the sorcerers can do, then conversations like this could take place:
"I'll give you $1M (I don't have $1M, btw) if you give me a high five"
"Ok."
Assuming that stopping his heart is the best rule she can come up with is a bit of a cope out since she could probably say something like satoru gojo is incapable of using cursed energy and win in an instant.
Also, as soon as shes already touching gojo, even if she removes the rule to bypass infinity since shes touching him already she wouldnt be repelled by it and could set the new rule without losing her buff rule.
Who told you that touching him means he can't repel you? Increasing the output turns Infinity into a wall that pushes and crushes people near him. He did this to Hanami. It's how he flies.
She will already have used her 2 rules. One will HAVE to be that she can touch him and bypass infinity, the other will be her boosting herself. She will have to sacrifice her boosts to herself if she wants to use a new rule, otherwise she can't touch him
@@w1nther930 she can decide what rule she drops though. All she has to do is say she can touch gojo while remaining boosted. Then after touching him she can set the rule that his ability will cease to function if he moves similar to the rule she set on shaggy. She then drops the rule bypassing limitless since limitless only slows your approach speed infinitely and won't affect her if she's already touching him after which when he counters her his ability gets turned off and it guarantees her win
@@MarsMelora I like the thought process but what’s to say Gojo is letting her do all this? Let’s say she gets her hands on him using the get past infinity rule, what’s to say Gojo won’t just teleport as soon as she touches or pops a Domain which while it won’t trap her it will stun lock her or just simply throw a blue or red to get her off him or even just deck her in the face with a black flash? He can definitely do all this before she says the second rule. Also there’s the fact that his six eyes can read abilities meaning unless she can blitz him from the go he’s gonna know what she’s doing.
@@jokingnessy6709my hero academia charecters are WAY faster then jjk charecters. You have stars n stripes throwing and reacting to lasers in this video where jjk is consistently hypersonic. It'd be the opposite where she could fire of two rules before gojo even registers her talking.
I see Star and strip taking 2/10 fights if Gojo decides to play around. Cause her quirk could remove the oxygen from around Gojo to stop him from breathing (by creating a vacuum). Since the brain controls cursed techniques, if he’s not getting oxygen to his brain he wouldn’t be able to maintain limitless, teleport or use reversed curse technique.
But if Gojo is serious from the get go, he really just needs unlimited void and purple and it’s gg. He probably get Toji flashbacks due to her not having cursed energy and keeping up, thus going for the kill right away.
That would only really work if Gojo decided to be an idiot and let himself slowly choke to unconsciousness. It takes time for asphyxiation to have an effect on the body, I mean you can literally hold your breath and show yourself. Gojo would have at least a minute, and likely closer to 3-4 before his body truly began to shut down, during which he could easily just leave the sphere of no oxygen. Also, the six eyes can make a moment last far longer in Gojo's head than it would to any other person, he would certainly realize that he couldn't breathe extremely quickly and just leave or disable her instantly with unlimited void.
theirs a decent chance if she is light speed she could just touch purple and before it kills her make a rule that she can control it and toss it back at gojo at the speed of light and purple can bypass his infinity which would one shot him. Using purple could be the worst idea he has
@@josephvaccariello4181 there’s nothing to touch with purple. It is an imaginary mass of nothing. What is she gonna touch?
@@tdawg490I think having all the air in your lungs violently ripped out and the lungs themselves explode is a bit worse than holding yo breath for a bit.
@@tdawg490The mass which is indeed real hence Sukuna touching it. 😐
one thing im not sure abt is if new order will do anything if she comes into “contact” with infinity. infinitys just expanding the space between gojo and whatevers approaching him, its not like a shield. so unless she can impose rules on space itself wouldnt she have no chance of doing anything abt infinity
She’s touched other intangible things so space itself isn’t out of the question.
@@jackaboynaylor9273 didnt get that far in manga just wondering what intangible things did she touch
@@Sid-qe9qh the only thing she touch that is intangible is light. she have never touch something that is conceptual like space.
@@jackaboynaylor9273It’s not just space though, it’s infinite space. Negating an infinite space is way beyond new order’s limit
@@Sid-qe9qh light and quarks.
For Gojo, his destructive capacity isnt quite scalable to being the best just due to him being "the strongest" with Sukuna.
Gojo hasn't shown the ability to massively damage his surroundings, besides in a "tunnel" for a few hundred meters.
Yuki is probably just an exception because of her specitic technique, wirh Sukuna's statement likely referring to him uprooting the world as we know it as opposed to destroying it (unless his unknown techniques help somehow).
I mean.....
"The air surrounding Gojo Satoru is not allowed to enter his range!"
@@supercoolmaniajon265 Gojo : you do realize I can hold my breath for a few seconds at least, right?
@@ritasaha6587 Oh. Well now I feel stupid.
Imagine if the New Order was a cursed technique.
With such a technique, a sorcerer could become a first-level or even a special level sorcerer.
I would also add Shikigami who, after the sorcerer touched a person or a curse, would give him all the necessary information about the person and the curse.
The next my hero movie should just be about all might and her teaming up. That would be amazing
It sucks because if she had at least like 2 more rules she’d have this fight in the bag
Or she had a quirk awakening then I could see some limiters being removed and or more rules added. Ducking g sucks since she’s dead and we can’t see any of that happen now……… mha should have introduced her WAY earlier and could have even killed her off same time period but it’d have more impact
True, but deaths in general are kinda lazy in mha.
@@thehoticicle7620 I mean….any lazier than the other shonen anime???
@@thehoticicle7620 and in the current manga we MAY see probably the best anime death in new gen soon maybe even next chapter
what i dont get is ...why didnt she just grab time? she could just do Eri's quirk and be done with people... remove time from people like she does air or something.
Air, while invisible to us, is ultimately still a real tangible thing. In comparison, things like time aren’t exactly something you can “grab”.
@bandanadeesupremacy332 time is affected by kinetic energy and can be touched or transferred between people. Time is also affected by gravity. A person ages faster depending on these 2 factors, and movement is also affected by these 2 factors. If one removed these factors, there would be no time and no events to take place. Since both of these touch everything just like air, she could have manipulated both and thus manipulated time. I suppose from your comment, it can be assumed that she wasn't smart enough to "grasp" that.
"Gojo, however, could at any time spawn multiple blue points on her body and tear apart her limbs similar to coat rack man."
Well...dayum.
Due to how curse energy is explained someone who is stacked with better ap and ce they can implement their attack on the weaker opponent rather easily. This wouldn’t work on characters like Goku or Rimiru tho.
Before watching the video, I want to leave a comment first.
Now Stars and Stripes can bypass Infinity by making a rule with New Order to touch him, however, she can’t use her heart stop rule like with Shigaraki because she can only set two rules, and one of them allows her to bypass Infinity, and another where she has a boost in strength. She must keep the Infinity rule at all costs or she won’t hit Gojo, and if she undoes her strength rule, Gojo might blitz her. Not to mention Gojo also has RCT, Red, Blue, and Domain Expansion.
So tbh, Gojo beats Stars and Stripes, but at what difficulty I’m not sure.
as soon as she bypasses and touches him infinite doesnt matter cause she is already touching and can just make a new rule
Blitzes his wannabe Axcelerator ass.
@@josephvaccariello4181 She can’t, she can only make two rules. One to get a stat amp and one to bypass Infinity.
@@vladbucur7700she has no actual cooldown and she’s obviously faster 🤷🏿♂️
@@frostscythe910 She cannot kill Gojo without removing his head since rct is broke on him and Sukuna.
So if the rule is weak, Gojo will just speed blitz Stars and Stripes if she removes the amp rule
How to win against gojo as stars and stripes:
1) put barrier around gojo by solidifying air around him, it doesnt have to touch his infinity
2) yeet the barrier, with gojo inside it, to space Kars style
3)undo barrier
4)profit
Gojo could hollow purple the barrier, or just teleport out of it.
@@bandanadeesupremacy332 yeah I can see that happening, didn't really think about that.
Also, do you think she can explode gojo's brain from the inside out and therefore bypass infinity? Seems viable to me.
Gojo teleports out of it and uses infinity on her and frys her brain
@@StarPlatinumber17 yeah I can also see that happening, didn't really think about that either.
Also, do you think she can explode gojo's brain from the inside out and therefore bypass infinity? Seems viable to me.
@@blueflames7186 she’d have to touch gojos body in order to do that
Favorite part about this man's vids is that he can put his bias aside for the scaling
LMAO
19:48 man literally had a rant about RCT with Toji and the disaster curses were already aware of his power. Same with Toji.
14:46 You can’t prove that it didn’t just arc to his arm.
And we only see movement from Hakari after the bolt is already gone meaning simply measuring the distance to his arm for the timeframe is invalid because the bolt is already long gone with thunder taking its place.
The next instance Hakari is only thinking relative to his head exploding not the bolt with the speed of cranial explosion being unknown. His regeneration would certainly affect the speed of the destruction as well.
This is ignoring that MHS cloud to ground lightning speed is invalid. (Just use your eyes and you should see why)
@@jackaboynaylor9273kashimo said i would go for his head and hakaris arm and head is not on the same level so he made that kind of movement and its the lighting is sol in speed if you read how it works
@@Kronidis It has been shown that he doesn’t have complete control over his CE due to its electrical properties when he fell into the ocean.
The bolt could’ve easily arced to his shoulder which is right next to his head.
@@jackaboynaylor9273if you know physics that not the case its not that he cant control his ce that he would lose it if comes in contact with water XD what bad debunk is this
@@KronidisBecause of the difference in charge. 😐 if could control it perfectly fine he could just keep it from flowing out of him.
This video was so good man loving all of these would love to see more matchups with other anime’s be awesome
did he literally said star is weaker physically compared to gojo💀
max gojo fanboy
Yes, he said that, and that was pretty funny🤣! Gojo funboys are hilarious as always.
@@user-qh2nv8qw9p They think gojo is god and I'm sure when they sleep at night they think gojo beats anti spiral
@@FurkanGuzel-zm9bi bro, I see how people said that Gojo can beat Goku💀
@FurkanGuzel-zm9bi well, by the way, Gojo have no chance against Stars and Strips ( also, the whole jjk vers have no chance against Stars and Strips )
Gojo is attracting us without blue
Holy... ppl are still scaling based on how domains look? The only domain we can scale to this day is Sukuna's because his is the only one whose effects we have seen on the outside world. The interior of the domain doesn't tell us anything.
Sukuna could make his domain with barrier so it stops scaling to it?
@@Kronidis No Kusakabe said that the looks of a domain mostly don't mean anything. And even if you think about it. Dagon's domain is not just an island but an entire sea and star while Sukuna's is just a shrine. Does that mean Dagon's domain scales above Sukuna's? Gojo's domain is empty, does Dagon scale above him? No its only the sure hit that matters and Sukuna's is the only one we have seen affect the outside world thus we can scale it.
@@deliciousdex4354 sukuna has other means to scale him and you can physically interact with some parts of dagons domain that is created are by his own ce so you can scale to it
Stars: I stop ur heart
Gojo: Ok cool, domain expansion, hollow purple
Stars: nuh uh no domain
Gojo: Still, hollow purple
Stars: No hollow purple
Gojo: cool now I can use neutral infinity again unless you kept that rule, then domain expansion
This is a fair match up I’ve never thought of
But now that I think about it can’t gojo be simply sealed, you don’t need to overcome limitless to seal him , you just need a space tough enough so that it is impossible for him to break out
Purple
@@glogangglory I am not talking about a physical seal but a spiritual one , kenjaku succeeded in sealing gojo , if gojo could break the seal using purple don’t you think he would’ve done that?
@@chriscolombie4135 you're prolly right, but Gojo's infinity was down at the time of the sealing so we dont really how prison realm would interact with infinity.
@@bobcutbirb1873 it was not stated that his infinity was down though and technically infinity wouldn’t work against a seal big enough since it’s not to harm gojo
@@chriscolombie4135 didn't kenny say that given enough time gojo could break out on his own?
In the situation where gojo tells S&S about his technique, couldn't she just remove the All Might rule and go "Stars and Stripes is as strong as Satoru Gojo"?
There’s a cap to the amp boost she can apply to herself. If she did that, nothing would change for her. It's like this-
(Stars = 20)
(All might = 100)
(Gojo Satoru = 200)
“I wish to be as strong as all might.”
Intended result: 20 -> 100
Actual result: 20 -> 80
Her strength would go up, but it didn’t make her as strong as all might. And if she tried it with Gojo in mind, she’d get the same result, as her quirk can’t manage to surpass her limit.
“I wish to be as strong as Gojo Satoru.”
Intended result: 20 -> 200
Actual result: 20 -> 80
@@kylewilson2004I'd agree but jjk is vastly weaker than mha. Mid tier mha characters could best top tier jjk characters. The only character that even stands a chance against someone like all might is gojo because of hax. Also star would easily be able to have the same strength as gojo because gojo in terms of basic stats isn't stronger than all might theyrebnot even close(prime all might btw) . The only problem is limitless and domain expansion. She can't copy those.
@@aisaback6221 copying gojo physical stat is as useless as it goes. it's like she just nerf herself. and doesn't even address the problem in this matchup at all
@@QuanLe-xy7uh that's literally what I said
Placing a rule on “infinity” just doesn’t make any sense considering the concepts of what infinity is
Gojo simps when they realise Gojo’s infinity isn’t even infinite: 🤯
@@jackaboynaylor9273 bud your video shorts are literally gojo, my shorts are all normie sht
She was defeated by a self identification issue yet they claim she can affect a technique like infinity which she can't comprehend without CE
@@M.W.2 Bruh by yo logic Toji couldn't comprehend infinity and bruh new almost everything about it. 💀
@@srzarz3017👍
imagine a fight like this animated bro
The low to mid mha scale is country to continent, you don't mention how close all for one which is what he was even is to his full power when we do get the percentages, then really got into highball gojo and go really in to an extremely high ball version of the hikari feat when he barely moves in comparison to the lightning, while even allmight only in the beginning of the series is faster than the navel laser and don't use any of the higher Calcs for Stars and strips.
the biggest thing is taking gojo is the strongest out of context when it's know he not only trains but it's confirmed maki and toji are physically stronger and he's on par with kenjaku, just because his abilities allow him too overall be the strongest that doesn't literally mean in every way he beats everyone at anything
Absolutely
@@tuuydfh3698you know the only thing that pissed me off power scalers just already proved themselves to be biased once they seen a chapter of jjk they think Gojo could be everybody in my hero and Hunter x Hunter which is fucking stupid I don't understand what's going on with this world
If shiggy can beat her and killed her goji can I’m just saying
Shigi >>> JJK
Gojo is nothing special in multiverse.
@@jackaboynaylor9273 no
@@gakukilegrandgenerale2354 wdym
@@Erza_Pleh Man turns Sukuna’s domain to dust and disintegrates his ass along with the verse.
Find a valid relativistic Calc bruh.
Can Stars And Stripes say "Space no longer divides " to stop infinity?
I love ur videos so much, good job!
Could she impose a rule getting rid of his ability to use cursed energy in general? And if she did impose a rule of making his head explode if he moved or something, couldn’t that rule just replace the removal/bypass of infinity rule (or even the physical power one) since she already made the necessary contact and said the name to make the new rule? Also could she give herself Limitless? Ofc even if she could, she wouldn’t be able to use it on his scale, but Infinity and Purple would still be just as useful right? Or would this scenario as a whole contradict her limitations? Either way I guess she wouldn’t know that huh? All of this assuming she has the necessary names to enact the quirk ofc.
She wouldnt be able to because theres nothing to touch she wouldn't know what limitless infinity is either way and if she could of given herself others powers she would but she cant
@@niggamancer6985 this is assuming Gojo gives her the speel, in which case she would know about Limitless and Infinity. At least Infinity, but I’m talking about a scenario in which he mentions Limitless as a whole. And ofc it’s not unlikely to mention cursed energy in general if he does explain any parts of Limitless to someone who doesn’t know about the existence of cursed energy in the first place.
Her quirk has lots of limitations. If star even wants to touch him to activate her ability she already needs to use up a rule spot. And its not like gojo is going to Stand still and let her do it. Plus she cant just give herself abilities like limitless, its def to complex for her to just say "i have limitless now"
@@Reverse_Peakwhy would he explain it to her though he explained it to gojo because he knew jojo couldnt beat he saw what jojo could do first why would he be in a foreign land with a foreign opponent he has no clue what her power is and randomly explain everything to her.
@@niggamancer6985 you’re missing the point. I’m not saying he would, I’m asking what would happen if he did. Just like how in the video, we were given a scenario in which he was feeling arrogant enough to explain Infinity, I’m going off that same scenario in my comment, just out of curiosity of if she could do these things if she had the necessary information.
She cant touch Gojo. She has to touch Gojo to apply anything to him. She loses mid diff.
She can affect the world around him and herself to bypass them. She had this same problem when shigaraki or Afo no longer worked as the name to use. She can still fight without knowing names or touching characters you know
@@fancymustache3793 Ok, so she creates rule that somehow bypasses infinity, now what? She can't do shit still because Gojo will simply use his DE and she is fried
@@senjusan6359 New rule: There is no cursed energy in this space. This id possible as shown by her removing the air in a very respectable range during her fight against shigaraki as well as controlling the air in a different scene. She may not be able to SEE cursed energy but she can still remove it if she comes "into contact" with it. Perhaps she can use the air as a medium to remove the cursed energy such as "Cursed energy cannot exist in this air space" could possibly work. then its just a fist fight with no cursed energy enhancements for gojo which im sure star and stripes is the physically superior one.
@@fancymustache3793 if that works, she could've said "all quirks acquired by all for one don't work in this area". Her ability clearly has limits, but even if it didn't she would have to know what CE even is to do that.
@@fancymustache3793 No. His abilities exist everywhere because Space and time and gravity exist everywhere. His abilities work in every verse. We're using verse equalization here. His quirk is limitless/six eyes.
I love how on recommendations this was right underneath the poll for this video
i always say, gojo fights could easily be over in like 5 seconds
-they spawn
-gojo uses blue to bring his opponent into range
-"domain expansion:infinite void."
-either just kill them in there by some means(such as ripping their head off like he did jogo)
-close domain and use purple while the opponents brain is still cooling down
He can purple them in the domain
@@khulmach9662 ikr
Gojo dont even need to attack, mf would flood that women's brain with so much information that even with a buff specific to the brain, that she at bare minimum turns into a vegetable
@@whyareyourunning5826 blue is just to bring her into domain range incase she gets out of range too fast or isnt in it to start
@@Soup_Whale99 i mean inside the Domain
Wait, I thought Revealing your Cursed Technicque will Increase his Ability.
Wouldn't it work the same way here ?
It does but Gojo is strong he has no need for it
She wouldn’t be able to grab purple since it erases something the moment it comes into contact with it
Name the ch.
@@jackaboynaylor9273 the time Gojo violated Toji, so chapter 75
@@mr.p215 'You must be from one of the big three sorcerer families. Most likely Zen’in… no wonder you knew about blue, red… And the limitless. But this… even within the Gojo family… is known only to a few. Motion and reversal. It is borne by colliding both infinities. An imaginary mass rushes forth… Hollow technique! Purple!'
Where does it say that purpled erases matter in that statement?
@@jackaboynaylor9273First sight of it he says it destroys atoms. That's erasing matter on the atomic level
@@frogoyes7611jack thinks purple is some invisible ball or something lmao
Stars *Touches Infinity* : "Infinity becomes a prison locking you in place"
The thumbnail is FIRE🔥 please i need the artist
Jjk Spoilers
And gojo isn't even the strongest anymore😭
What ya'll don't understand is that stars and stripes could just teleport herself over to Gojo's location, touch him while saying his name and cause him to implode. Everyone says "he can regenerate his heart!" but they all forget that she could have just ordered shiggy to explode or implode instantly.
How exactly is she (a) Going to touch him and (b) his name or technique name ?
since when could she do any of those things????
That’s not really how it works. Infinity isn’t like a little bubble that you can teleport into, it’s infinite space. Won’t be that easy
Now that I think about it she can alter infinity since by technicality she is touching it although she would have to know that concept and if gojo doesn't tell her what is blocking her from touching him although revealing your hand in jjk actually makes your shit stronger so double edge situation right there
cant get past infinity and gets one shot by hollow purple moment
Even if she got past Infinity, Gojo is durable as fk 😂 he tanked Sukuna domain expansion let's be real.. and if she's gonna try to grt close to Gojo his fists are strong as sht
That isn’t that good of a durability feat if we being real 😭 that’s like a city lvl to mountain lvl feat of durability mountain being kinda a highball
💀 Bitch could destroy the entire domain in a single attack.
Nice town level slashes 🤣 if that!
@@jackaboynaylor9273 I doubt she would be able to destroy the domain but using the malevolent shrine feat wasn’t good on his part cuz the most destruction we have seen it do was destroy a city that’s not that good….like at all 💀💀
Isn't revealing how a curse technique works, makes it more powerful? Wouldn't Gojo tell her how his power works so that it can become even more efficient?
I don't think this was ever said in the manga
@@nuhaznoor7899 actually, i think they have. Nanami tells it to itadori whem they first hunt curses together
@@nuhaznoor7899It is, it’s actually said quite a few times. Revealing your hand is a binding vow you can make with yourself, and doing so can increase your CE and the effectiveness of your technique.
As an avid dbz fan I love how with the popularity of jjk the question is beginning to become “can they beat gojo?” I’ve been sick of the can they beat goku discussion since I was a kid just because of how far people would go just to prove that goku could beat a certain character and they would break their own rules to do so and still be wrong 😭
Put can he beat Goku though?
yuki was planning to take down kenjaku if she dies, then her techniques will run rampant, like how that old hag did, and since singularities have incomprehensible level of time to die out, but till then the black hole can grow in size and mass. Gojo's own CT has power to literally divide space in infinite partitions of converging or divergence. Yorozu's perfect sphere technique creates literal infinite pressure at the point of contact, annihilating anything in between of her and her target.
I do think New order can create absolute commands but gege likes to grasp the concept of infinity, thus overpowering new order in numerous ways...
12:53 Firstly since Yuki’s mass doesn’t affect her it shouldn’t cause her to lose CE meaning she wouldn’t scale to the mass as a creation feat.
Secondly Kenny escaped the black hole using antigravity to counteract the event horizon and gravitational pull and unless you can scale the energy needed to imbue his body with enough antigravity to do that he ain’t planetary. Tengen’s exact method of stopping the black hole is unknown making the feat unquantifiable.
Yuki's mass doesn't affect her up to a certain density. We saw Kenjaku getting sucked in by the sheer gravitational pull Yuki had even before the black hole fully formed, this wouldn't be possible if Yuki's mass was still the same as always.
@@visionaryvjae5641 I ain’t saying it’s always the same. I’m saying because her mass doesn’t affect her she shouldn’t need planetary levels of CE to make a black hole that massive.
You’ve already acknowledged that her mass itself isn’t what affects her but the gravity it creates so I don’t see a problem.
@@jackaboynaylor9273 the CT only makes it so that up to a certain point the mass generated doesn't make Yuki's speed take a dive, due to having to carry the weight of a mountain or something while moving. It's similar to how The Flash is resistant to getting torn apart by air resistance thanks to speed force hax.
However after passing a certain density the mass does start affecting her, the mass affecting her IS the reason Yuki had such a strong gravitational pull in the end. In those last few panels before Yuki actually turned into a black hole she was putting out enough energy to become a black hole.
@@visionaryvjae5641 The mass wasn’t affecting her but the space she inhabits and the space around her.
I don’t think that Gojo would divulge his abilities. He would have seen how fast she was, and he’s not gonna reveal his abilities cuz a power up doesn’t give him an advantage since he’s already stronger than her and the binding vow probably can’t increase anything he needs
He straight up explained his abilities while fighting jogo before yuji even arrived
@@jackmakila3776 that’s cuz he knew Jogo was weak. He doesn’t know any star and stripe so he’ll be more cautious
Red, Blue and Purple are not concepts... New order doesn't work on things Star n Strikes can not name, and it doesn't work on things she can not touch. She cannot touch attraction, repulsion or non-existence.
Gojo teleports behind her and takes her head off. That's the end of the battle.
"gojo satoru, would never be able to harm me" "i will be able to disable anything i touch, even human organs"
Doesn't do that in character, its also not how her ability works
@@BrokenRoninit do work like that since thats still self amp and still didnt mention being above almigt
@@Conquerer_. Her power does *not* work like that. If it did, she would simply add the rule that “no quirk in existence besides my own can affect me”, but of course she can’t do that because thats not how her quirk works 😂
Lol mountain level 🤣🤣🤣🤣 gojo literally has the power to kill entire cities in a matter of seconds. I really wish you guys would make videos ppl want to see. Like gojo vs yoriichi or even sukana vs Muzan etc. and spoiler alert gojo speed is much faster than anyone since his blue technique lets him pull and push himself to and from any location. It’s NOT teleportation 🤦🏾♂️ I should start making these videos because things I’m hearing are incorrect.
Sukuna violates Muzan, Gojo violates Yoriichi. This isn't even a discussion.
Considering that sukuna can now literally cut anything, I think that lends credence to the idea that he could destroy the earth. Also I feel like he’s become one of the most busted characters in fiction, now.
Busted in JJK. Yeah absolutely.
Busted in fiction. Nah. Sukuna is fodder. Cutting through space is not impressive in terms of what exists out there in stories.
Sukuna is still crazy strong in his verse, but he ain't on that fiction level yet.
In anime not even close.
jjk nerd here, "Full power sukuna could destroy the world" is NOT a literal statement
I mean she could just say his heart stops if he moves, she's so much faster than him that he wouldn't even know that rule was in place
How is she getting that rule onto him?
Damn bro had to give her all the advantages and still get hit with the
"Domain Expansion: Unlimited Void" 💀
Dosen't work on someone with no CE 💀
@@olaz5131Verse equalization
@@bandanadeesupremacy332 Yh including verse equalisation, gege wrote for domain expansions to be ineffective unless you have CE, your still abiding by verse equalisation by everything else working as normal. Verse equalisation is just power systems work on eachother. In this case it dosen't apply since a specific power specifically works on its own power system.