Low Hours Generac Won't Start
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- čas přidán 1. 05. 2024
- Jason picked up this Generac XG10000 for $500. It is about 10 years old and has only been run for 12 minutes! Fuel was left in the carburetor and now the engine will not start. Thankfully Generac does sell a replacement carburetor. Unfortunatly they want $300 for a new one. Lets see if we can get the old one running again.
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Excuse me if you spotted this later in the video BUT at 1:03:24 I never saw you swap the outputs from the circuit breaker where you had one of the black wires connected to the red wire and vice versa. Don't know about the USA but we are very particular that the phase wire always goes to a specific connector in the plug and yours won't.
In this case there is not issue. The generator is 240 volt single phase with neutral as the center tap. From neutral (center tap) to either end you get 120 volts. From end to end 240 volts. The red and black wires were the live wires from each of the legs. They are interchangeable. It will just change which 120v legs feed what 120v outlets. The 240 output has two live wires and they are across from each other so swapping their location does not impact the output as the ground and neutral are unchanged.
@@jcondon1 Hmmm I guess you generate 240v a different way to us. In our case the phase always goes to the left hand outlet pin. If it gets swapped, and I have seen it done like this usually from ignorance, the on/off switch on the user device ends up switching the neutral and not the phase. Functionally it all works until there is a fault or somebody starts mucking around with the internals only to find that they have their hands in basically a live device that they thought was off (and they didn't check first which they should have).
Noticed same. And if you rewind the video when this is teared down, there are black& black + red&red. I would open it up, and change them as they were. But i'm from Finland, and we got 230V systems, so it might be different here. Great videos, love to watch you go. 💪
@@chrissybabe8568We make 240v the same way as your country. The difference is we put a center tap in the transformer. The big distinction is that no matter what, the potential between phase and ground from a split phase supply is always 120v instead of 240. If you left the neutral terminal disconnected you could theoretically run a European home with it and not know the difference.
“Hey guys, welcome back-“
Best 4 words of every week!
It's been a banner week for my brother and I. 5 lawnmowers that we picked up super cheaper or free. $60 in parts (cheap carbs and cleanout of others.) 4 sold in one day! We have learned so much watching your videos! Thank you.
Nice. Mowers are much easier to sell then generators.
@@jcondon1 Should work out some sort of bulk shipping down here to the Texas Gulf Coast: unreliable power plus hurricanes. No problem selling generators.
Hurrah!
I’ve watched James remove the air box on another Generac and it seems to me that the top two studs should be removed and the bottom screws just loosened. That way, the air box can be lifted straight up. A stuck gasket may prevent this approach but reassembly would be much easier if the two top studs are not fitted until the air box is in place. The slots in the air box for the bottom two screws suggests this was the intended method of assembly.
Side note: You must have the cleanest tea ball in town.
just a fyi............those plastic ball joints on the throttle linkage are also used on RC cars so a local hobby store would have them
Good point. My RC car uses them for the steering linkage and they always pop off.
I fine it amazing that they can sell a $2500 machine built with $10,000 worth of parts.
Cars are exactly the same. They also cost 4x retail if bought in parts.
Pro tip the oil will drain faster if you open the dipstick
It's more work to sell, bill, and ship 1000 different parts than one generator.
Generac Generators are overpriced because they focus on financing there products over years.
Thanks for showing a dual carburetor. Great work, as always.
You always end your videos with, "I hope this video helped someone. Thanks for watching." I grin when I hear it because I have learned so much watching your channel.
Thank you, James! It's uncanny that I always come away from your videos with a new bit of helpful info. Take care and keep 'em comin'!!
Fantastic result, James! Thanks for the ride.
Excellent video James! I appreciate the time you take in explaining your diagnosis and repairs.
Great video James, a lot of work, a lot of headache ! but at the same time a lot of satisfaction !
Great video! I really like you videoing the details. Everyone skips half the details and am lost on what to do. Thank you for making really great videos!
Another awesome video James! I look forward to getting up and watching your Thursday videos, it's become a good habit. Keep up the great work!
Very nice piece of work, Jim. Your video and sound quality just keep getting better and better. And your troubleshooting skills are an inspiration to all of us home maintenance folks. Thank you.
James I had a busy day yesterday. When I finally got some time for myself, I watched this video and enjoyed it immensely. It's such a thrill to watch you take a piece of junk and restore it to working order again.
Nice one Jim. Thanks for going through the two-cylinder engine carb in such detail. I'm working on a similar engine and this was very timely. Keep up the great work!
I love your videos, I stumbled across one of your videos one day and I was totally amazed by your work and I've been watching them ever since.
Absolutely love your content. I have tinkered in small engine repair off and on for 25 years and got really interested in generators when I had a Generac whole home 24kw installed last year to replace a 6500E that just didn't cut the mustard when we were out for 3 days last summer. Watching you troubleshoot and save some of these devices is always a pleasure, and I've even picked up a few tips for getting the most of an older mowers and power washer that might otherwise have been sent to the junk pile.
What a joy to see you in "action" ! Thank you!
You say that you are not certified…
You are highly Qualified!! 💯
Seen several certified that are not Qualified🤷🏼♂️
Nice job as always!!!!
James you never cease to amaze with your knowledge, analytical mind and patience. I always look forward to your postings.
Cheers from Australia.
Thanks
The manufacturers almost never think about fuel filter, that's why when I bought my generator I immediately added a fuel filter myself. Great video and craftsmanship 👍🏼
James, very through as alway with great results.
Saved another generator for use with someone who will need and use it.
I was not surprised by the price of replacement parts as that seems to be the future of repairing equipment.
Keep posting, as always, your post does help use in many ways on other small engine repairs in which you have followed through on troubleshooting.
Tks, Michael
Hi Jim: Great job. I have been working on a Kohler lawnmower. Carb is the problem. Cleaned, carb. now working well. I love watching you. Learned much. JP
I'm a Honda man but that Generac impressed me!!!!
It really is an impressive design.
Hear Hear! Most of my neighbours call me an idiot for spending the money on a honda invertor for my house. I pretend to be hurt as I sip my hot coffee after having a warm shower during the power outages :) I really wish they were more frequent!
@@TheBry_Guy The bad thing about the inverter generators is that the inverter is potted and is unrepairable when it fails. And they do fail because of age - they have electrolytic caps that degrade in a few years after which the semiconductors have to deal with worse and worse spikes which at some point kills them. Sadly, they and maybe offline UPS are the only options for sensitive electronic equipment...
Good patience and awesome you found the hidden pieces under that crazy carb screw
Great video James, very satisfying result as always
That's a nice unit. Sounds great and that sine wave looks as good (to me) as an inverter gen.
Thx for another great vid, James
Your work with these small engines, generators is wonderfull. Enjoyed the clip and learnt something new, thanks for posting. 🐞
Another great video Jim! I've fixed several small engine surging issues caused by the pilot system. The last one was a Simpson Power washer that wouldn't run without the choke being engaged. When I took the carb apart it appeared much like your findings on this generator everything looked clean, even the pilot jets. I ran a root canal file through the pilot jet (thanks for the tip by the way), and reassembled the carb. The power washer started on the first pull and has run like a champ ever since! I think the pilot system causes a majority of small engine surging issues due to the very small passages fuel has to travel through. It might appear to be clear, but it doesn't take much of an obstruction to cause a fuel flow problem in the pilot circuit. Keep up the great video work!
Great video again James . You had a few challenges but I knew you would iron them all out . I really enjoy your videos and look forward to them weekly. Take care sir and catch you on your next video.
Thanks for doing a full size generator!
Wow Bro. ! You really are amazing. With around $100.00. You manage to get the machine back to its original optimum running condition. The price of the faulty circuit breaker at above $200.00 must be the main reason preventing most from willing to pay to try on getting the machine just to start up. There are many more minor issues to consider too. You are able to source for the same specification of the circuit breaker at $75.00 is also a barrier you have overcome. That is indeed a great cost saving.
Step by step diagnostic by your experience hands are really amazing too.
I spent countless of hours watching your videos on repair and restoration of various types of machine even though I have no knowledge on the mechanic, electrical and electronic of all the machine you are handling. It is like watching a movie to me. The storyline, the plots and the exciting ending. Sometimes it felt like a horror movie when you are working on the run down machine.
Keep it up! Thank you very much.
Wow, they truly make working and removing that carborator a bit of a pain! Nicely done! Cheers
great job again as always
Thanks James for the video on that carb. I have that same style carb on a Simplicity Broadmoor 22 hp that's crap. I'll take it apart today and go through it thoroughly. Nice generator and someone got a great deal.
OK James, another excellent video. Very methodical with meticulous attention to detail and the steady hands like a surgeon. One thing I would add: Call me lazy if you will, but I will often attempt to save a myself a lot of labor by force feeding the carb either thru the fuel line or a vent or right thru the main discharge orifice backwards into the fuel bowl, a mixture of gasoline with about 100 times as much carb/ fuel injector cleaner as is recommended on the bottle. Then I will let it sit. From a few hours if it ran recently to as long as a week if it's been years. Then I start the engine with spray starting fluid.(my choice is actual starting fluid so it offers a little more volatility because I will be trying to burn the old stale fuel that has some new fuel plus the fuel system cleaner in it.) Once I get it running and usually I can get it to keep running by spraying starting fluid and adding some level of restriction, i.e. Choke plate, then I proceed to run the engine at rated speed and go to full choke. On and off several times. Sometimes I will actually use my fingers to cover the entire inlet to the carb. That is called a P@*%&H tune up. Doing so pulls fuel from everywhere, completely through every path where fuel can move thru, and most of the now loosened/ dissolved dirt and foreign debris will be sucked right thru. It opens up the passages and if it works it can be the end of the repair. I am picky about 3 things: 1). I like starting fluid with actual diethyl ether instead of regualr gasoline derivatives such as butane heptane and propane or alcohol to get the explosive level needed to work with old stale fuel fuel and system detergent. 2). I have always used Gumout Brand carb cleaner because I have found it really works and it's been around for almost 100yrs, And finally 3). I use modern day fuel injection cleaner and fuel system conditioner additive with the patented brand name detergent called Techron. If I can get my customers to put a little bit of Techron into their fuel every so often, especially at the beginning of Lawn mowing or Snow Blowing season, I don't see any repeat issues. One more thing: Couldn't you have glued a piece between the two broken toggles on the circuit breakers? If the breaker was not compromised by the impact that broke the levers, a little JB and a Popsicle stick or piece of plastic would work just fine with less time and materials. OK, carry on and have a good time. ben/ michigan
This has to be the most intense of all the videos I’ve seen lately by you James !
At 42:12, the broken breaker had the two black wires on one terminal, and the two red wires on the other, and later you zip tied those pairs together. But at 53:56 you have a black/red on one terminal, and a black/red on the other? Shouldn't matter since it just means that whatever is down stream will have the phases swapped, but someone coming in behind you might wonder what's going on. Also, it looks like the generator has some little LEDs that shine on the outlets when it's running? That's a nice touch.
Yup, I saw the same thing and was yelling at Jim but he didn't hear me.
Yes this, I was pointing and saying as if I could be heard.
Correction: That swap very much could matter -- it nearly killed me once. Someone else had swapped neutral and hot, and I didn't know it.
Specifics: I felt lots of current flowing through my arm and chest, where it found an excellent ground. I only survived by using my back muscles to pull my whole body away and break the circuit.
I saw this too. Maybe he corrected it before putting it all together.
@@PeterLawton Both wires are hot on the 240 volt circuit.
Keep up the good work james 🙂
Darn good job bud..Your meticulous work pays off...Congrats..
That is one mean generator!! Great fix. I bought a Vyking Force generator the other day. I've not tested it yet. It's rated at 4KVA. The engine is a 7.5hp unit. Will be interesting to see how good it is.
For a while, I thought that the "nasty" spark plug was going to be one of the culprits.That happened to you recently. OTOH, it always amazes to me how "sensitive' those carb designs, parts and "channels" seem to be. Not to mention "old" gas and oil. Thanks for the detailed video and explanations!1
"It should run...that said, it doesn't run".. laughed so loudly at that my girlfrend came in from the kitchen and asked what was so funny.
Great segment, very informative.
It’s a good thing you have a video to see where all those small parts go back together ! Or it would be a nightmare to put it back together !
James, an excellent informative video on these generator sets. Keep up these excellent videos, regards, John
Great vid James,all the best from Perth 🇦🇺👌👌👌👌👌
Excellent job James; To the best of my memory, I did see different size main jets in two cylinder engines, I think they were in certain Briggs models on riding mowers from big box stores.
Nice job James , runs like a new one😮
Helped me to know where the primary jets were for sure. Nice video James
I have never heard you tell what you do for a living but you sure are one hell of a troubleshooter.
Mouser works hard for the small consumer. Their customer service is top notch. Re the screw terminal versus the spade, you could choose to glue/weld a threaded nut onto the spade and then convert it to a threaded connection. This would be more consistent to how the gen is now.
I think I would have avoided the spade terminals, too. Could slightly drill out the holes and use small nuts and bolts to solidify the connection with the ring terminals.
Spades are bad... He should have decoded the first switch he received and just looked at the right amperage to see the correct part number. Anyways, the generator is fixed and purring like it should!
As a Mouser customer (several years ago, I mean), I like the company too. Truly excellent service.
Have used Mouser for many years. Very good place if you build electronic stuff.
Great video my friend.
Love Berrymans B12 my father introduced me to it over 60 years ago.
It’s my main cleaner
That oil looked horrendous! I guess 10 years of oxidation and moisture condensing in it and the fuel did a number on it! I think i saw some water come out with the second oil too. Good thing a good mechanic like you got his hands on it!
This video helped someone! My brother-in-law has a John Deere riding lawn mower with that style carb! I had no idea the solenoid needed juice to allow it to run. And neither he nor I knew how to properly clean it. I did a half job, and got it running....but now we can go in with confidence next time.
If the solenoid is mounted vertically, it gathers all of the heavy debris as well as every drop of drying varnished fuel.
The carb in the video mounts the solenoid horizontally, a better design that at least puts it slightly above the lowest point in the system.
I measure the inductance to verify that the solenoid coil is not shorted (which it never is), before repeatedly soaking and trying to spin the needle. If you have time, just do a quick clean of the bowl and put in fresh fuel to soak for a few days before working on it further.
@@1djbecker It's a John Deere 125, iirc it was horizontally mounted. Thanks for the feedback, I appreciate any help! After our "cleaning" (not sure how good a job we did) - I told him use ethanol free fuel and run carb cleaner through it since we had it finally running.
@@hieyeque1 Once the horizontal solenoid valves are moving at all they finish cleaning themselves. The vertical ones can't eject the solids and need to be removed for cleaning, perhaps several times.
Always use a grease rag to stuff into any openings to prevent a slip of the fingers becoming a full tare down. Always use a preventable way to stop unnecessary mistakes. Everyone who has ever done some kind of mechanical work has experienced this. Just have a steady pace and you will knock out the problem in so short of time. Love this guy! He is so honest that he couldn't run for public office!😅
Great video and repair Jim!
That carb, although probably different, reminds me of the predator carb. A v-Twin engine is a departure from the norm, so it's always a welcome change to see a different style machine.
Fantastic fix James, that's a big boy 😊
large two cylinder GEN.
My generator shipped in box.
The starter cover was damaged
the 220 v recepticle was damaged .
all parts were repaired and works
well B & S engine.... 👍
Remind me not to get one of those carb nightmares!! Doing a great job as always!!
Thank you James! Another helpful video!
Disappointed you missed those jets James! 😅 thanks for another great video.
Super interesting video Sir. I learn things from all your videos👍👍👍
Very nice repair and an awesome genny with a nice clean sine wave, looks like you can run electronics with that one it’s so smooth!
Great video as always!
Another great save. I have bought a lot from various big electronic part suppliers (farnell, mouser, digi-key, etc) and their customer service always have been great. Always helped with missing part or when they delivered component that was just not what was ordered.
You went a long way with changing connectors an those wires, I would have tried drilling M3 or M4 hole into breaker spades. There should be enough meet in them for that. Then just bolt the ring terminated wires with some nuts and bolts with washers.
I also would have the drilled out, for my own use. Heck, for my own use, I'd have expoxied some extra bits to create handles for the OEM part. For something I'm selling, modifying a power safety component would be out of spec. He's using the appropriate connectors for the part as designed, in spec for the rest of the system (which is why he was careful to mention the wire gauge was still in spec for the connectors he used). James is a careful guy. :)
Yea, i have one of these 12000 or 15000 watt generators, sits more than its used,constantly cleaning the carb, thumbs up, great video
Your doing something wrong if your constantly cleaning the carb xD. Does it have a fuel shutoff?
The best video ever I love generac generators they run great and they run quiet even the ones you run for a whole house
Great job as always.
Another fine job!!!!!!
Great video. Always amazed at one small spec of material in the jet can do.
Thanks!
Thanks James, helps a lot!
Great job and video 😊🌲
Beautiful as always. For future reference there exist little metal angle parts that accept a spade terminal and offer a screw. These may have worked well here.
Hello James, as usual, an interesting and very informative video. At 30:48 I noticed that you did not put locktite on the two screws on the bottom of the air filter housing. This reminded me of an engine that a customer brought to me and upon opening it we found a carburetor screw that was stuck between the piston and cylinder. Vibration, as you know, is terrible for unscrewing what is not retained and this screw was part of the air filter housing. It's rare that they're inside, but they're dangerous. Thank you for these good videos!
That load bank is amazing! What a game changer
Thanks for the video, that's a very impressive generator
I fixed a XG8000E for a generator repair guy because he stated "I am not good when it comes to electricity". It was brushless and was running way to slow to produce any power. Furthermore someone replaced the GFCI outlets and wired them wrong. These are somewhat a pain to work on as you have to remove a side panel or two and the gas tank to get to anything, had to reset the governor. All this being said I was impressed with how quiet they run and how heavy they are for only an 8000 watt unit. It appears to weigh quite a bit more than my Duromax XP12000EH. The THD being so low is impressive for a non-inverter generator.
Bad THD comes from a bad magnetic design and high resistance wires. The magnetic cores are not well made and are literally ringing while in use and that ringing at different frequencies distorts the main sinewave. Sometimes the AVR is to blame too, because it's made with low quality parts and is not specifically designed for the exact rotor/stator combination.
Nice job, James
Enjoyed the video. Thanks for sharing
Thanks James for video
That IS a fine generator.
Haven't read down through the comments yet, but the oscilloscope doesn't show up outside! 😮 Nice work on the changing out of the circuit breaker!
Great video and camera angles of all of the details James.
Amazing how a 'bargain' can still end up costing a few $ in Labor due to neglect. Still worth the money but I'm guessing the total cost here was closer to $1,000 (vs $,500 for the purchase), which is good for a generator that is near new, but if they're trying to re-sell it, it's still a 10 year old genny and $1,000 is probably as much as they'd get if they tried to sell it used.
Thank you James for your thorough review & repair. This machine might have been a floor model with old gas in it? Hence the really low hours.
I personally don’t care for Generac’s unless we are talking the commercial stand by models. However they are all very noisy.
You already know what I’m going to say….if you’re going to buy a roll out generator? Buy a Honda inverter. Hands down a way better, quieter machine that puts out perfect voltage. It puts out steady, clean power. I’ve had mine for 5 years with absolutely zero issues.
Amazing that you prefill the OF! So many people say not to, but why have it dry all that time as it fills…. I really want one of these generators.
Lovely! Well done as always. Though the sensitivity to minor levels of fuel dirt is, well, terrible!
Nikki carbs used in Briggs v-twins do have different sized main jets. It's because the intake manifolds are different lengths to each cylinder. I don't know the specifics about the sizes, just that the differences exist in those engines.
Nice job Jim..
Awesome job and video, thanks 😊👌👍🍀🍀
Again, Loved the video. I was good to see one about a two barrel card (or is that a double card, don't know about that my self). I noticed that when you re-attached the wire with spade connectors where they were doubled up you connected a red to a black in both places. at time stamp 42:00 it shows red to red and black to black. this may cause reversed polarity on your plugs. some equipment does not like that. you can get a tester for about $15 at home depot.
Another awesome gen revival. Someone bought it ran it a bit and then it sat for loong time. Carb was in pretty good shape actually. Agree Generac/DR are terrible for parts pricing.
That twin engine really does run nice
I love every video and have found an odd joy, working in small engines now. However I would HIGHLY recommend a 3/8 Milwaukee cordless ratchet. I do understand the noise on the microphone might be a little less soothing to our ears.
Your awesome James.
Great video!
Thanks