The Moe Norman/Ben Hogan Secret: Moe Norman Ball-Striking Clinic
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The Moe Norman/Ben Hogan Secret: Moe Norman Ball-Striking Clinic
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I was at this very clinic in Orlando. I'm standing off camera almost directly behind Moe. Moe was 68 or 69 years old at this time. It's hard to grasp the full splendor/technique/freakishness of just how straight he was hitting every shot - even at this age. Moe could also call height, draw, fade, target with all of his shots with total ease, although time and again he would stress that his favorite shot and the one he most loved was dead straight. Many times he would call the shot, execute it, turn to the audience without even looking at the results right after he hit it, and was on to the next challenge/shot request. I actually attended a Natural Golf two day clinic when I was there just so I could see if the legend of Moe was true. He did not disappoint. Every platitude that Todd & Tim Graves apply to Moe is absolutely accurate. A cherished memory to be sure.
Yea, but what's the secret or the "meat" moves, not potatoes?. Moe, "I'll show you but not tell you!" yea great thanks. . so now we are all left wandering in
the wilderness trying to find it. Moe & Hogan in my opinion took the secrets to their grave, as Hogan even stated multiple times, he wase'nt telling.
I think part of the equation he is a short strong man with strong wrists like Hogan, and they were able to consistently square it up at impact!
Wish I were there to see his swing in person. I believe Hogan and Moe had their secret. A swing thought that influenced their consistent & brilliant outcomes, and it became a turning point in their careers. I also believe that their perception of their secret differs from the physics of their actual swings. Unfortunately not helpful to us. There is plenty of talent out there hitting thousands of balls each week. Maybe just one individualize swing thought away from becoming a Moe Norman or Ben Hogan! Let’s hope 🏌🏿♂️
@Gary Ahmir oh is that right ? Two clowns up in here from the four sewers of the planet, with they kneel and bob advice, because they kneel and bob.
YOU CANNOT BARELY SPEAK YOUR OWN LANGUAGE, AND NOW YOU WANNA TAWK ABOUT WEBSITES AND THESE BIG FANCY WORDS THAT THEY USE ON THE INTERNET AND STUFF.
GOT 2 CLOWNS UP IN HERE, THE PHONE BONES.
@Jaxen Austin ohhhhh weeee why cum you no linky site señorrrrr
yeah sure, you are obviously lying
I just watched this and hope to improve - have been playing so bad have had to have the ball retriever regripped 😢
i should tell my dad that
the ball retriever regripped- thats hilarious bro, gonna use that one! thanks for the laugh. hope the game improves too
Nothing will work unless you have a good grip.
When you get praise from tiger woods saying he’s probably the only guy to ever play the game waking up knowing you’re going to hit it pure every day that’s pretty special and this man definitely was
Tiger also said of Moe that he is one of the only men to truly own his swing, and that he aspires to own his someday. You know how when people talk about the best ever in the NBA, its always MJ, Lebron, Kobe......yet all 3 of those guys have always said "Nah man. Larry Bird."
That's Moe to the greats of golf.
Tiger is a scumbag
He said that Moe and Hogan were the only two to own their swings.
He explains it from 0.00 to 1.01 as "the slingshot effect" Hogan kept the right elbow tucked and created a lot of lag which he released at impact like a slingshot.
Yup, Hogan would put his right elbow into his right pants pocket
call me crazy, but it sounds like Moe says ''No more slingshot effect. That's gone.''
When I tuck my elbow to my side, I tend to hit out right with a slight cut. How do I straighten my swing and ball direction?
The fact that tee never broke just shows how much of a great ball striker Moe was
What a great golfer he was and probably a very good person too, as I see it. Thank you, mister Graves, for keeping him alive and continuing his work and making it known to many people today.
I have switched to one-plane swing a couple weeks ago and I like it a lot and I think it will make me a better golfer. I have ordered your book and very eager to receive it in a few weeks.
Greetings from Poland... 😁
I'd love to have been at one of Moe's clinics!
Genius. No one has mastered the swing better than Moe. No one.
Well, if there's anyone who was better, it was Hogan, yes.@@Moneymanmick
I'd love to see some of his raw footage shots ( down the line) ran through a shot tracer.
Just so we could watch his flight path..
So hard to see how Moe made contact with the ball when he addresses at least a yard away from the ball with his club! It would have been a real treat to have met Moe, or even got to attend to one of his clinic's! God that guy went through the mill to get to where he got to with his golf! I am sure Todd Graves misses Moe more than anyone! Check Todd video's out as he is keeping Moe's swing going to this day as Moe taught him his swing!
I just met someone today at the range who does exactly what Moe does. Was probably the greatest things I’ve ever seen
When I started playing golf, I had one of the worst slices ever. I could stand there with the club head turned in at 60 degrees and still be open at impact. The only thing that made it work for me was putting the ball out past my front foot and pretending it was in the middle of my stance. This gave the club head the extra fraction of a second it needed to get square. Now I’m not saying that my swing was perfect after this, but it made it so that I was finally able to hit GIR instead of always slicing and then scrambling.
Great lesson there, Moe. And today, my pro is helping me with the smash factor of my putter. So excited!
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Moe hit it dead center more often than anyone ever
2:30 the legend of his tee never moving is true !
Thanks for this
Single plane summer going well in Seattle! Limited range time but loving the straight bombs off the tee and the slice is basically gone, hooking a few but its due to a weak contact/follow through on my end. Hope you had a great July Todd!
He has at least five consecutive shots without blowing away the tee.
5 consecutive shot ?????
Moe was asked about his tee ... this is what he said " I have had the same tee for 7 years "
@@xxxchurch100 Yes, he was so good at hitting so accurately, you must have also noticed that he hit up the half-buried ball so sweetly from that divot. This is a very valuable video of Moe, since he was still young enough to make clear explanation of what he was doing in his swing. In fact, I have made this video a must-watch before every round of my golfing.
I heard him say once he had been using the same wooden tee for 8 years....
@@sonofsalmon56 Yes, that's a record!
I saw another video and someone asked him the maximum number of times he hit a ball before the tee even came out of the ground. Without hesitation Moe said, "105." Somehow I believe him!
When an ENTIRE league blackballs you, you know you’re doing something right.
perhaps jealously is human's worst fault !!!
Not sure why people struggle figuring out his swing. He shows you his intention and his grip shows you how he pressures the shaft in a different way.
that level of brilliance is always most difficult to understand/define !!!
The secret is if you hit as many balls as Moe or Tiger or Hogan you’re probably going to get pretty good at it....
Golf is so expensive now to play on a course or to hit at a range like that you could spend alot of your money.
@@thomas1630 Johnny Miller used to hit balls in his basement into a tarp...
agreed
ill show you but im not gonna tell you- Moe, lol.
Un homme simple et abordable
Moe lead left...that's the secret to golf is there is just "one"
But hitting 10 million balls is the real secret
You can hit 10 million balls wrong also.
All with one tee I’d bet!
@jayc650 Con Waaay off. Didn't have to think swing. Had it grooved.
This 👍. People ignore the thousands of shots he hit daily to make his swing repeatable. The secret is not in a single plane it was dug out of the dirt like hogan did it
Moe was very articulate, lookup the casual fireside conversation with moe. Ppl just kill me, saying he can't boil water, after watching the fireside chat delete your dumb@@s comment.
Moe's swing is the only one real one plane one.
Moe Norman was a golfing.genius who.was happiest hitting golf balls!! Unparalled non- pretentious from Kitchener Ontario Canada!!
Off topic: is that where Kitchener Leslie is from!?
absolute undefined brilliance !!!
Moe was and is every bodies favourite.
for eternity !!!
Omg this is pure
Would love to know if there is any film of Moe & Ben Hogan golfing together?! Now that would be something to watch!
I cant even find any film of Moe Playing in a PGA event !!
@@johnathanwetherill456
He didnt play in that many because he had problems with the PGA officials about his oddball antics on the course.
So he just went back to Canada and played frequently there, on the Canadian tour.
@@TedATL1 I would venture to say there was some blowback from the tour players themselves as well. Moe had no use for the social circles the typical pro golfer lived.
@@redwoodprosth
Moe was definitely a social misfit, maybe autistic. And even in Canada he barely made a living. Lived in cheap motels, etc.
What is he doing different to get the extra 40 yards?
He mentions it at the beginning when he talks about the slingshot technique and having his trail arm underneath the lead arm through impact. I believe he's talking about having very supple wrists at the top of the backswing and at the beginning of the transition to the downswing? The supple wrist action leads to tremendous lag as the body starts rotating and the arms and hands have to catch up. That coupled with the trail arm stone-skipping release creates significant clubhead speed. I've been working at this on the range and have seen some impressive increases in distance. I'm 60 years young and flying the ball 250-260 consistently with the driver. The irons are even more impressive.
Thank you for your reply.
@@darrellknister9064 Thanks I will try it.
I too believe it's the slingshot motion coupled with with his hips slightly angled back and although moe uses the same plane, his body goes from virtually straight on back swing to bent down on forward swing.
If you watch the swing in slow motion, hes already coming down while the club is still going up.
Dave Kempema I recently watched a video of two guys on a simulation. They had all the read outs on the computer. When the ball is struck just above center on the driver you get much less ball rotation better loft and much better distance. You can see the first three tries Moe states “didn’t get it” then he tees the ball up a little higher and that’s when they start flying.
His secret is simple. Everyone wants it to be a quick fix and simply is not in golf and never will be. His secret is simply learning to hit with loose and quiet hands and basically flexing your left knee a little towards your big toe keeps you down the line longer. You can swing as hard as you want as Hogan describes if you can keep your hands and wrist loose and tension free.
I liked the comment until you included random stats and information about yourself. Why must so many golfing commenters do that lol. They want reassurance.
It's always... I like so and so swing, I think he does this well. He really is exceptional with that by doing this technique. Oh, and me personally I hit wonderful 300 yard drives, straight everytime. Lmao you guys don't see bow dumb you look.
IF Moe had a secret, IF - he likely took it to his grave. Don't think you have a clue what you are talking about there dude.
I’m going to give it a try…..
How did it work out?
July 13, 1949 at our annual tournament, The Early Bird, end of May for many many years, at the wonderful Stanley Thompson designed course (1899). St.Thomas G & CC....Ontario, Can....
The best amateurs in the province, a skinny red haired 17 yr old was leading the tournament, coming down 18 at 4 under. It was Moe Norman. What a treasure he was. Lee Trevino said...'if someone had taken Moe under his wing...(the blue bloods ridiculed him, he returned to Canada) Moe would have cleaned up on the PGA tour, he was that good' !! words of Lee T...Super Mex.
I was so sad when Moe died in 2004....never saw him hit a ball, my parents did. *280 off a coke bottle, on a rope... haha....true character and LEGEND.
correction...i thought he was 17...if 1949, he was 20....maybe it was '46...
sidney hampster very true. If only he had that someone to talk him into sticking with the tour. He would have probably set records that would still be standing. How many people in life really fulfill their full potential?
Was at a clinic of his in the mid 80s in Kingston ont
.....was a teen and had no idea the greatness I was witnessing
Super Mex my favorite golfer --- nearly at top of being an incredible human being ... my favorite 4 --- Moe, Lee, Jack, Chichi !!!
seems like hogan's secret is closing the stance more and hitting up on it more sorta like a purposeful pull
Moe hit the G spot really hard
I'm confused, why is it that he says no more sling shot effect?
Moe Norman was so good that he was a failure on the US Tour. 😅😂
Moe didn’t know how to communicate how he strikes the ball but if you really watch him , and it’s hard to do in a video, it’s easy to duplicate. 90% is in the set up.
Indont think anyone has ever hit more golf balls than moe
The noise!
Was he long?
There isn't such a thing as a single plane golf swing, you can get close, but the human body isn't a robot, so it'll never be truly a single plane.
I bet, if you hit ten million golf balls in your lifetime, at some point, you would likely hit it pure eventually.
Moe claimed to hit as many as 800 practice balls daily. He ate, drank, and slept golf.
👍👍👍
Mo Norman was way ahead of his time. He should been sponsored by Lay's, what with how crisp his shots were.
Kelloggs Captain Crunch offered him a lucrative contract that would have set him up for life but he declined on the account that Captain Crunch cereal contained too much sugar. He felt that would be bad for the kids so he said thanks but no thanks. When KFC came calling he said their chicken, despite being extra Crispy, didn't offer enough mashed potatoes and macaroni salad with the dish. So he said no again.
@@quantumpotential7639 the more stories I hear about Moe, the more I love him. A little odd about the sugar considering Moe wasn't known for being a frequent visitor to the dentist ;).
Does he ever hit irons?
Watch his right leg. The slope of his leg does not change, just like Hogan.
Sounds like bubbles from trailer park boys
I've played golf nearly 30 years and never heard of this man. Is it a wind up?
No he s a legend.. tiger idolised him
Considered the greatest ball striker to ever play the game. That's from the greats: Trevino, Woods, etc.
@@anthonyparkinson5820 strike sounds great. Hogan hands close to the body, same everytime gary player said this but only realised years after him saying. Mo looks like he's controling a quality left to right shot. Which to me is what most pro's do now. Long gone is the perfect draw
@@PiePye By your comment you seem to not know anything about Moe Norman. His swing is different than Hogan's because it is the "single plane swing". Lee Trevino also had a similar swing and also considered Moe the best ball striker ever. Moe played almost all of his career in Canada where he was from and has a very impressive record. A little research might unearth a lot about the man.
Had tour players not bulled moe off the tour,ppl in the states would know moe.
I can hit the ball dead straight every time. I've only been playing 2 years. My probably is I can't leave a divot or get any distance. I hit 250 plus with driver but my irons are lacking. I'm wondering if I should try his way
Wow, 250 yards is alot. That's over 2 and half football fields long. Let that sink in. You're doing great to hit a ball that far. My ball goes 43 feet then decides to take a dip in the drink, never to be seen again.
There are all kinds of 2ays to successfully hit a golf ball.
Hi Todd. I’m curious as to what different lofts Moe had on his drivers ?
I’ve seen most videos he says he has 8 degrees of loft on his driver
Tuck n slide...added 25 to my driver
Almost nobody emulates Moe. I wonder why. Is it possible that using Moe's swing you won't get Moe's results unless you are extremely physically talented?
Moe norman hit on my range when i was 16 and i had a hour before everyone saw what he could do. He showed me how he could hit a ball to every point on a clock! 10 feet over ten feet short 10 feet left ten feet right! i could fill in the Clock,, he said, but instead went for a hole in one ... miss it by 3 inches! no word of a lie ! He was autistic!! His description of spin and ball flight is still not understood.. An hour with moe norman on the range!
What makes you believe he was autistic?
Lots of the haters are overlooking the statement Titleist put out that Moe is the ONLY golfer that had ZERO sidespin on all his shots
이상해 보일지는 몰라도 무척 과학적인 스윙입니다.
The secret is that he used a different club and a tee.
knees triggering the transition.
Hogan was double jointed
its every good golfer secret its the ruby slippers, but most can't recognize the impact position...which is all its about...rest is nonsense. pay attention and you will see every pro in the exact same impact position...
If you want to see something amazing, Google a pic of his irons.
Yea, but what's the secret or the "meat" moves, not potatoes?. Moe, "I'll show you but not tell you!" yea great thanks. . so now we are all left wandering in
the wilderness trying to find it. Moe & Hogan in my opinion took the secrets to their graves, as Hogan even stated multiple times, he wase'nt telling.
I think part of the equation he is a short strong man with strong wrists like Hogan, and they were able to consistently square it up at impact!
The joy is in the journey. Earn it with work and don't ask.
U can’t verbalize an action. No one can “tell” you the secret. Todd comes closest by quantifying the motion of moes swing and explaining the science of what to do. Once u have the motion u can lean into it. The secret isn’t anything drastically different. Mostly it would benefit people to learn the saps basics, especially address.
Like Trevino 😮
Moe downswing is not what he talked about
another "Moe Secret"...you do not address the ball on the ball...no room to extend on downswing ! Like in baseball, you don't stand on the plate
Andre, that's a very interesting observation. So the clubhead behind ball is in order to have a longer 'something' in the impact area?
Late hit, as late as it can be!
So if you get 3 mulligans per hole you're sweet.
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Hit the ball great on a practice tee.
But couldn't cope with tournament golf due to the fact he was bat shit crazy 😄😄
Won 55 tournaments in Canada. Guess that doesn't count, eh?
@@deegeeess49 yeah Canadian tournament golf but who cares?
US PGA tour is where matters old crazy moe shit his pants even thinking about competing with the big boys 😄😄
no it doesn't. canada is a joke! EH!@@deegeeess49
Well what the heck is he doing? "I'll show you but not tell you." And repeated, "I'm the only guy who knows the Hogan & his secret" I lost all faith in Moe & some respect with those statements!! For those of us who spend literally millions $$$ on golf every year and want to learn and get better, he let's us all down. Moe was decent guy, but he let thousands of fans and golf disciples down my opinion. He just gives ya some potatoes, but no meat!
Todd will give you the meat! Talk to him.
How many of those dollars went into Mr. Norman's pocket in exchange for handing out that information? If you didn't pay him to give you the knowledge, then he owes you nothing. Figure it out yourself, just like he did and like Hogan did. They spent hundreds of hours hitting balls to learn the secret, but now he is supposed to just tell everyone without an ounce of effort on their part? Yeah, sure.
@@patrickmorgan4006 exactly. It's earned and not given. The journey is what it's all about in finding greatness.
I have been trying the single plan swing for the past few weeks. Some of my tee shorts are dead straight and land within few inches from the 150 marker on par 4s. Irons are going left and right. Constant tweaking and practicing make it better.
Moe was slightly autistic, give him a break lol. He clearly had very unique thoughts and dialogue. I've watched his videos and he'll say something like that, and then tell you the best he can in the next sentence.
His real secret was his hand action he played golf with his hands now you know sheep
Moe said Sam Snead told him he has the best hand action in golf at the 56 Masters. His hand action was directly related to his setup and overall swing mechanics-which is similar to that of Bryson DeChambeau. Moe's hands could deliver the speed with minimal variables in his motion by starting and impacting on a single plane, his neutral lead hand grip simplified the motion of the club up and down and allowed him to keep the club face square longer through impact, his trail arm and trail hand were set into a more underneath and non-rotational position with 15-20 degrees of side bend at address (closely matching the impact position), and his motion worked around a stabilized lower body (flexed lead knee at impact) allowing him to maximize club head speed at the right time without over-rotating or lifting the body up (putting stress on the spine). Todd Graves goes into this in the video below, which includes video of Moe talking about his hands "chasing" in the downswing and release czcams.com/video/hRX0HQ1lAb0/video.html
Nope.....he spent his life using the body to hit it and took his hands out of the swing......after the crash he became accurate because of this......the hands are the killer.....yes you need to educate them but once you get to a certain level you are trying to quite them.....
Sheep... Lmao Jesus, an angry little guy aren't ya
@@GravesGolf Would it be impossible that Sam was trying to get Moe to think about his hand action to mess with him? That's an old pro trick.
@@SuperDakiz Supe - Is it really possible to 'remove' the hands from the swing? They certainly link the movement of the body to the club, right?
i appreciate Moe, but he talks and other pros back him up as if he is the end all be all, but ironically nobody is copying him, and and I can't help but point out it took him four attempts to hit a particular high and long drive.
I hope people understand what truly legendary means or even world champion means for that matter.
From my experience and as hard as it may seem to believe, when demonstrating and now for them, truly not under pressure, they demonstrate on the first attempt and not the second or third or fourth, because even a semi-pro could do that.
Just saying.
And I don't care at all for his Ben Hogan reference, as if he has solved the mystery of the master move or essence of the golf swing itself, by theorizing which way the club will fall if removed from your hands, in concept or reality.
Obviously his determination of saying the club will fall out the opposite direction, by allowing the club head to hit the ground and then with his own hands flip the grip end the opposite direction as his proof, is purely concept and not reality in terms of his own swing theory.
What Moe does, is hardly genius, it is certainly admirable though and is needed and should be appreciated and given special considerations of course because he is in reality "X-experimental" and that's why research and development is a part of any legitimate business, an amount of budget is allotted for new ideas and discoveries.
But all he has proven in reality, is the essence of what it takes to put oneself in a position in which, options are eliminated to a high degree.
Its a reverse engineering concept in which the endeavor itself is too hard to measure and therefore somewhat ambiguous, so if expressed in the equation of "make or miss", then what he has done here, is shown you how to eliminate the possibility of Miss and now all there is left is make, which means everything happens at the beginning, and if you start out the event properly, then the byproduct is what you see because in effect, he cannot miss.
But obviously he did four times in a row when making a claim and demonstration, and unfortunately, all his sacrifice and gallant effort, is flushed down the drain, because it's either we like the guy or we like the golf swing and everything it entails in terms of golf excellence because at the end of the day, methodology and technique is the system.
Does not Moe, speak in terms of conventionality as we know it is wrong?
Of course he does.
The correct answer is right in the middle if you're talking about the ultimate in golf success, which means golf swing is the system.
And since we know for now that it's safe to say we need to swing a club in order to achieve the ultimate in golf success, then it's obvious, we base our methodology and approach toward the middle as close as possible, where are the most options are available, and of course, the most volatile and chaotic lies because The cutting edge always becomes finer and finer.
The reason I win this argument, and Moe does not, is because he is 100% right in game theory, what game theory has changed, when all of a sudden we enter "tiger proofed the Masters" into the formula.
THEORY:
Moe = master move
CONJECTURE:
MOE = marble size callus on the inside of his left palm.
QUESTION:
Moe = master move - callus marble = ?
All i would have to do is examine his driver grip to start a clear basis for argument in clinical terms of research and development and has nothing to do with scrutinization or praise of the man himself because it's a question of golf swing plus golf excellence.
Thank you
Good god I just read most of that and now I have a headache
@@generalgrant3189 LOL! That's bout 2 mins I'll never get back
There's a TV Show where this guy is a genius. One episode he plays golf with his dad. Can't hit it out of his own shadow....
Freak !
Your an idiot who knows nothing about golf.
The PGA shunned him because he was Canadian and eccentric. Couldn’t handle a Canadian winning.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahhaha!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@capacola262743
It’s true you son of a bitch. Every pro player including Tiger Woods said he was the greatest.
moe was good, but curly was better!! WHY, YOU! I AUTTA!!! nyuck, nyuck, nyuck.