The Cure: Rock Case Studies | Full Documentary | Tony Dolan | Jerry Ewing | Hugh Wright
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- The film draws on archives, respected musicians, and Cure fans to bring new perspectives to the music of the band, combined with an analysis of rare Cure tracks and performances by the cream of today’s rock journalists, to ensure this addition to the Rock Case Studies series is essential viewing for those who want to know what it takes to make a great rock band.
Bursting onto the scene in the late 1970s in the wake of the UK punk revolution, The Cure's dark, powerful art trick soon won a legion of devoted fans. Fronted by the extraordinary Robert Smith, the band released a string of groundbreaking albums - including Three Imaginary Boys, Filth, Pornography, and Disintegration - and enjoyed a healthy number of hit singles. In this critical release, respected musicians and Cure fans bring new perspectives to the band's music; they clearly, concisely explain what it is that sets them apart; what qualities in the songs make them sound as fresh today as when they were first released. The program also features a rare archive interview with Robert Smith himself, who brings his personal memories and insights to the making of the Pornography and Disintegration albums. In addition to this, also featured is superb archive footage of the band performing on the cult 1980s British music show The Tube. All this is combined with an analysis of rare Cure tracks and performances by the cream of today's rock journalists, to ensure that addition to the Rock Case Studies series is an essential purchase for those who want to know what it takes to make a great rock band.
Director: The Creative Picture Company
Cast: Tony Dolan, Jerry Ewing, Hugh Wright
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I saw them in Montreal a month ago. I live in the USA and drove 9 hours to get there. He was awesome and sang better than ever. I've been going to Cure concerts for 40 years.
Flew over 17,000kms, Melbourne to Dublin to finally see them. Worth EVERY cent and km ❤❤❤
We did London, Boston, Philadelphia, Columbia (Maryland, close to where we live). Each show was just incredible. It was nice to see so many younger people there and loving it.
It's so hard to explain to anyone today how groundbreaking The Cure's look and sound were in those early days. An earring on a guy? Makeup on a guy? (Well he must be...). Today, kids get the benefit of all of the looks and sounds The Cure helped shape for music forever. 🖤🖤🖤💋💋💋
Probably in America that was very true. Don't get me wrong, the Cure are my favorite band, but hearings and makeup were hardly shocking in London where I lived at the time, where in the post punk era everything was acceptable. Even tame bands like Duran Duran had plenty of makeup and earrings, Boy George was almost going around in drag, the New Romantics were dressed in very effeminate costumes, and nobody was shocked. Well, nobody under the age of 35 of course LOL Of course the look and the attitude of Robert helped create a unique and distinguished entity, but it really is the music and the unique voice of Robert and its use that made the difference.
NO. David Bowie was before them...Culture Club...there are more..
But their sound, writing, lyrics, influence and staying a band consistently (45 years now) is why they are in the rock and roll hall of fame! Are the others? 🤔
I was a teenage Cure fan in the late 80s and when I got my ear pierced because of RS I actually heard my dad speculating about whether it meant, well, you know... 🙄
Marc Bolan, David Bowie, Elton John and the New York Dolls were there a decade before. Little Richard three decades before. But I agree the Cure were groundbreaking musically.
In the overall picture, I feel like the Cure is completely underrated. Amazing!
The Cure are REAL ARTISTS, thats just it❤❤
This is a fantastic documentary. It’s great listening to these people who seem like genuine fans who have an amazing understanding of the band and their history. Robert is a musical genius that should take his well deserved place in the annals of history.
I wish they could have accessed the bands actual music instead of cover, although they were well done. The original songs with Roberts vocals are untouchable.
My parents were distraught when I went to see The Cure in 1979 - they even burnt my concert T-shirt. That just made me love them more, and I saw them many times in the early 80s.
Amazing, they're still going, and Robert's voice is a good as ever. ❤
I just saw them 5/31/23 here in Portland OR. It was magical. ✨ I even played in a Cure tribute band, The Xploding Boys for 7 years (I was Simonette).
Yes, it is very hard to explain that their influence is present even in today's artists like Taylor Swift! It's the writing, storytelling, and even a certain number (s) and hatred of Ticketmaster. Only a music dork like me would notice that.
All I know is they better be here forever and never say goodbye ❣️
Omg. The Portland show was pure MAGIC! A lot of artists these days only write lyrics in the "first person". There's a dirth of imagination and storytelling. But The Cure are so endlessly exploratory and poetic. They touch the soul. That's so rare.
Oh Nice. I saw your band, The Xploding Boys years ago in Portland. You guys were really awesome!!
@@ZackBlackMusicThanks, it was good times for sure!
Been a fan of the cure for 40 years. I was an MTV child and remember their videos. In my later life I found Joy Division. Which led me to other Cure songs.
My 12 year old can’t appreciate the MTV generation. He loves rock and other music but it’s CZcams. Videos were stories in my mind. The way Thriller was advertised for weeks as a mini-movie. We had to make sure our life was arranged around that day and time. Can’t go back now. They can’t SIT through one YT video. Mass consumption with no attention span. Instant gratification.
I always put the Cure on when I want a fun, happy time. I can see how people felt melancholy while listening but not me ever.
no one on this planet can ever convince me that Robert Smith isn’t the most talented singer/ songwriter at least to ever come out of England but for the genre(s) they partake in as well. I listen to everything but rap so I have faves in all other genres 🖤 The Cure is very special to me
Fear of going to sleep and not wakeing up, this man is so clever so many people respect and theres no ego with these guys.
(Next album sounds different from the last and no two sound alike) I think was the idea for the Cure. All sounds great to me 💙🌞
I loved the cure long before kiss kiss me. I still love them. The lyrics and the voice and the instrumental aspects. In my view sorta growing up with the cure I love them and appreciate the cure. I still listen to everyday. Thank you for your beautiful music
The opinions on Kiss Me here were outrageous. It’s one thing not to like the album, that’s just taste, but it’s another to say things about it that weren’t and aren’t true. Kiss Me still has some of their most experimental and psychedelic songs, not the darkness of Pornography, but definitely filled with the variety of The Head On The Door, while pointing to what was to come on Disintegration with various tracks.
They just are.......Cure.........unique...........all their music is beautiful..,...........
never once did i consider The Cure to be a goth band....sure they mighta looked quite jaded dark and kinky but their musical heart was, for the most part, bright effervescent and sublime, despite perhaps, even themselves.
Beautiful way to describe them
The complete opposite
I watched every minute of it, but must say that this was really an awful The Cure documentary, despite some interesting clips from Robert Smith interviews.
Using unoriginal covers in a music documentary is just unforgiveable. If you can't afford to play the real music you should not make the documentary.
Some of the takes from the "industry experts" were interesting, but I think at least two of the so called experts interviewed didn't really know much about the Cure's history. One of them suggesting maybe the band should have tried to continue in the same direction after Pornography, which almost was a suicide for both the band and Robert Smith, makes me distrust everything he says.
The cover versions were annoying
Totally agree they said a few things that were off and made me feel they don’t know very much
???? Opinions are like ....holes. Most people who are one believe others want to know about.
@@redriver6541That’s a fair perspective, in general, and would be perfectly fair here, but if your opinion is full of downright inaccuracies, and/or
bizarrely unusual takes that imply you don’t know what you’re talking about, then I think it’s fair to see it as beyond just “well opinions are like @$$ holes”.
For example, the treatment of ‘Kiss Me, Kiss Me, Kiss Me’ was downright bizarre. It doesn’t have the “gloom”? It was a pop reaction to the experimentation of ‘The Head On The Door’, which apparently was too ahead of its time, especially as a dance album? It lacked experimentation? I will fully admit my bias is that I love that album, but I could probably write you an essay explaining why these perspectives aren’t just strange opinions, but are actually rather misinformed opinions.
I’d love to hear an argument to the contrary, I’m genuinely open, but I think it makes more sense to assume these people don’t really know some of these albums very well. It often seemed like one or two songs, typically singles, were being taken as THE key to understanding the albums they’re from. Hell, in at least one case they referred a single as being of an album that it never appeared on.. No, I think it’s safe to assume the problems with the opinions are that they’re ill informed…
Sorry, I am yapping too much, but I actually was borderline offended by the absurdity of some of these takes. I won’t call it a bad documentary overall, just not something made by Cure fans for Cure fans. ✌️
The cure makes me miss people I don't usually miss...God to be a teen in the 90's was perfect for live shows..
I’ve been to 2 of Cure’s “last” concerts…
Rumors have it I might have to go see another “last” tour ❤😂
Real masters! Love them now! Never've been a fan at my yearly ages but realize now how they're great!
Kiss me is a great album as it is.
Really great in depth documentary on one of my very favorite bands. Thank you very much! 🙃🙂
I’m dying. This is great. I love this bad so much. Met them and have been seeing them live since ‘92…although I’ve always thought I was way too late. I always wanted to see them in the 80s…but grateful still. Love you, boys!!!
I’m pretty sure that radio DJ had not listened to the Cure before.
❤ can't even listen to cure albums without feeling ever emotion sad happy love excitement scared they are all there
Robert Smith said in an interview he wrote Faith when he was contemplating religion. He grew up in a Catholic household and he veered away from it and became an atheist. He also stated how he hated religion. All types. That's where Faith came from.
also, terrific documentary 🖤 thank you
Thanks for watching!
I can see effort went into the production of the doc, so I won’t be too hard on it as others are. In fact, in spite of my really not liking some of the (frankly absurd) takes that some of these folks had, there were other aspects of the doc that I really appreciated. I’m guessing some of the use of live tracks, and maybe even some emphasis on The Top, came from what was affordable, but I think a lot of that was really interesting, and I enjoyed it. It shows you don’t need to have all licensed, album version tracks to be able to make a documentary like this work. That can be useful (it seems some tracks were actually studio/album versions), but it’s just more interesting to me to have the live stuff.. The interviews with Robert were great too.
As far as the takes I really didn’t like, some of it is just a matter of opinion, and I accept that not everyone will share my opinion, but some of it was just factually incorrect. Even where it was opinion I disagreed with, it was bizarre enough that to me it spoke to the factual inaccuracy. Iow, this person would have this opinion, given they’ve already made factually incorrect statements, and thus I just think there were times they were talking out of their butts.
None the less, I liked it enough to watch it all. Thank you. ✌️
Epic talent🖤
The cure are just amazing.
On the edge of the deep green sea, huh, magic
Well, nice little doc , but it's just a summarized version of what a real documentary would look like , it's impossible to describe The Cure under an hour, i can talk about Faith an Hour for instance
I still can't believe they played "Killing an Arab" at the Seattle show on 6/1/23. In today's oversensitive world? They usually play that in the UK!
And, if they play The eXploding Boy any time soon, I'd die! ❣️
A Holy Hour?! No pun intended 😂
They have never stagnated........they constantly evolve.......they have the rare poppy song but are essentially a massíve expanse of doom laden anst.......as dark as can be ímagined....,..laced with mousic of astonishing beauty, meodious to a fault.......members leave, often retiurning weaving bbrilliant musicíanship, subtle & diverse/íncedibly powerful,.....whatever ís reqúíred,..,, this music trañscends emotións tó take you somewhere ...,..,....different.......l siimply dó not know where.................
Angst...........my error, my slip...........
All my errórs........so sorry........
Yes! I stopped listening to this just a few minutes in because they kept referring to the band as "pop." Yes, they have pop hits but there is soooo much more to them. As you say, that's one of the amazing things about them. Their range and diversity has kept me listening for decades.
Goths, no goths in the audience when I saw them in 1978
i actuallly think that the album " the top " has many great songs , empty world , wailing wall are my faves and then on the deluxe , the bootleg versions of the top and forever are pure quality
The Top songs are really boring…
@@HansWurst-iq9xetry listening to it with a little dose of some mushrooms, I think you’ll feel otherwise. Apparently, that’s what Robert was having during much of its production (as tea I believe, sounds lovely and gross at the same time), and it sounds like it.
Lol is this doc using cover songs???
It’s an unfortunately a byproduct of not being able to afford the licensing rights when making a less than big budget music documentary. But these are some of the best interviews and takes from industry experts that I’ve seen. It’s a really good doc despite the cover versions which fortunately are pretty faithful musically though hardly perfect b
Did sound different. Filter? Pro tools? Ha ha
Anyone know what version of A Forest it is being featured here? The vocals, synth and guitar is different from the version on the record.
Edit: Its a cover version isnt it? 😅
All the non-live versions of songs on this docu are covers.
I think there was a cover, but also I think there was a live version. I may be incorrect, but it definitely sounded like live versions I’ve heard at times.
35:15 Close To Me - "simple bass guitar, simple guitar overlays..." There is no guitar on Close To Me, other than the bass...!
The best part for me! Simon was my main bass influence.
0:10 In England every band wanted to be a "pop band", but that's in England and Europe. In America alternative music, like Robert here, is underground goth band. In England Robert, stay your pop mode, you're correct to say, which it is. In America, switch to goth mode. Cuz, 80% of the fans here are Goth/alternative music people.
He [Smith] concluded: “The Cure just aren’t a goth band. When people say it to me, you’re goth, I say you either have never heard us play or you have no idea what goth is. One of those two has to be true because we’re not a goth band.”
Who cares about Pop/Goth/Alternative? "Europe only likes pop, but we, the States, like Alternative/Goth." Wow, you're so cool... Or what's the deal here? Smith dismissed these kinds of people trying to put a label on the Cure because they clearly didn't understand the band and you seem to be one of them.
@@bendbzs8023100%
Why are all the songs in this video covers?
Probably copyright
In my 20s after a big night would get into bed but never without putting on Disintegration on the turn table - there masterpiece Album IMO. Head on a Door Kiss me Kiss me brilliant albums- Boys don’t cry - what a band. Love them.
Other than using covers in this documentary, it's pretty good.
At first when I heard Bananafishbones I thought was a weird live version but the synth sounded too much like Shreds-type stuff. I get it, they need copyright$ clearance to use The Cure's recordings but it makes it rough to get through.
@@astralmatrix Bananafishbones is definitely a live version by The Cure - it was recorded for the show The Tube in 1984. It's the only one that is an "original" track.
@@zoeherriot Wow, interesting, thanks!
Yeah the voice was super creepy in a not good way
What's with the cover music?
the comments on 17 seconds were not right in my opinion , i think m, play for today , secreats and three are excellent , especialy the version of 3 on the deluxe edition , also reflection is good both studio and live
Its faith and not filth thoo
most of them were right about the kiss me album , i try to like it , but i have never got hot hot hot , bit like lovecats i dont buy em , but the kiss , fight heavan , catch , its true with the right tracklisting this wld have def been a great single album ,
I was going to comment the The Cure - A Forest may have been based on Tears for Fears - Mad World, but looked up and The Cure was first
Some of her time lines are out here as Nick Cave and Bad Seeds came along well after Pornography.
You are the one mistaken, the Birthday Party had already morphed into The Badseeds by 1984. Nick and co were actually touring the U.S in '84 as Nick Cave And The Bad Seeds.
@@James-wj8eq I’m aware as I went to one of Caves first solo gig which was a “secret gig” in Camden. Can’t even remember why I wrote this but will maybe revisit this one day but Pornography was released in 82, 2 years before.
Natasha Scharf, Elvira called and she wants her act back.
they were never a goth band , but i wld have loved to have seen them live at the batcave in 82 with alien sex fiend and bauhaus to see how that wld work , but their set wld have to be faith and pornigraphy though , it wldnt have worked with 3 imag boys
Glad you enjoyed it!
Damn this is bloody awful
yeah 😂 the covers took me by surprised i had to stop and laugh
They were visual thinking middle class punk rock.
This is not a documentary
Is Lullaby more disturbing than The Figurehead? Really...
"If you want to regard being on a lot of drugs as a more mature sound, then perhaps it was.". Whats a stupid thing to say, Natasha Scharf.
Marcus!!!
Disintegration helped me thru a tough breakup.
Highly recommended.
❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Wasn’t a Cure fan till saw them Gladstonbury 1990. Apart from RDF in Liverpool, they still are the best band I’ve ever seen live. This documentary is shite and unrepresentative of their music.
Add one more. MUSE destroys live!
Was there in 1990. Remember the helicopter landing to rescue a girl who was ill. Great headliners..
18:34 => "Charlotte Sometimes" isn't on "Faith".
Not originally but, it is now on re-issues of _'Faith'._
This would be SO much better with all Cure versions of the songs. The covers are a complete disconnect for me. To be talking about Robert's voice while hearing....not Robert's voice...well, it doesn't even make sense. One strives to hear in the song the speaker's interpretation, perhaps to gain a different persective....hear something in the song that maybe they've never noticed before. But then...nope....you can't....because it's not even The Cure. What was the thought process here? Is it a usage rights issue?
It has to be a copyright thing but I totally agree.
The goth chick with the spider web shirt... Its so tiring to hear everything be about drugs... I'm sure Robert is a much more intelligent song writer that what she seems to credit to him.
I find this documentary very culty and about people's opinions and imaginations about the image of the Cure.. Which is unfortunately not very accurate. I dont think Robert Smith would appreciate a lot of what has been said in it.
@@defbizkit Agreed!
Sure robhead the knob head used to drink with mozza in central Manchester they used to swap lyrics etc... In that famous café yeah u know the 1 🇬🇧
Mozza wrote half the cure songs y the bitterness between the two now there's your answer!
Simon Gallup is the best Bassist ever!!!
Hear Other Voices from Faith….
MicDuc
I listen the cure since killing an arab,... Unique flawless
Its a,decent track.kind regards.
Sorry to many full stops, but this band are amazing.
love the cure, but not this documentary. how do you spend less than a minute on disintegration? head on the door and japanese whispers were hardly mentioned. how is kiss me too long? the description of hot hot hot made me cringe. i think you could have picked randoms from the street in front of the studio and had better commentary. phew, lots of irritation about a vid, gunna go wash it off with a little hanging garden
Great band, crap doc...
The Cure aren't Goth just because the goth kids liked them just like I'm not a strawberry just because I visit the greengrocer.
Funny how you get people saying they aren't Goth and yet Lol Tolhurst just wrote a book entitled _'Goth'_ which contradicts that silly notion. For *_DECADES_* The Cure has been hailed as Post Punk, New Wave, Darkwave *_AND_* Goth but, now the casual "normies" who like the band's "happier & friendlier", more "accessible" tunes but, who don't identify as "goth" want to take the band and make it "their own".
Just cause Smith and others from other well-known Goth bands say they're "not Goth", doesn't make it so. The people decide that and it's quite disrespectful for these bands to raise their noses and make a face at the Goth tag. I mean, really, who do they think put their bands on the map *_in the first place?_* Britney Spears fans? Metallica fans? Kanye West fans? *_PLEASE._*
They might not be *"full on"* Goth but, to say they aren't Goth at all is just ridiculous. If it's walked like a Goth, talked like a Goth, looked like a Goth and sounded like a Goth for the better part of 4+ *DECADES?....* Yeah...
@@RiverOfBlacklights Lol T saying they're Goth makes them Goth but Smiley Bob saying they're NOT doesn't mean they're not?
Andddd I've been into The Cure since I listened to my sister's cassette of Boys Don't Cry when I was in primary school. I'm not just about Friday I'm in Love & Let's Go to Bed. I'm more a All Cats Are a Grey kinda guy. Who wore black nail polish & grew his hair out like Simon..
I'm not a Strawberry. The Cure aren't Goth. Some of their music is. But they aren't.
@@charlietwotimesYou're just proving my point - just cause Smith and you say they aren't and were never Goth, the 4+ *_DECADES_* of them being Goth (amongst several other genres) say otherwise. Tolhurst is simply reiterating the obvious. The fact you say some of their music is A) contradicts yourself, B) proves what I said about them being in multiple genres, *_INCLUDING GOTH,_* right.
Smith, Eldricht, Sioux etc. etc. saying their rsspective bands aren't or were never Goth makes as much sense as if Biafra and Danzig would now start saying their bands were never Punk or Hetfield and Mustaine saying they were never Metal, for example.
Paint in any color you want, you got not one, not two, not three but more than 4 *_DECADES_* (let that sink in for a moment) of music history contradicting you. They've been known as Goth the world over and will continue to be known as Goth the world over. That's just a fact. Simple as that. Period.
(P.S. And since you want to throw in how long you've been listening to them, I've been listening to them probably since befre you or your sister were born... just saying)
@@charlietwotimes You and Smith can say they aren't as much as you want, it doesn't change the *_FACT,_* not opinion, that in most music circles, they are and will *_ALWAYS BE_* recognized as Goth.
_"Some of their music is. But they aren't."_ - so some of their music is (actually, more than just "some") *_which inevitably makes them Goth._* Saying "But they aren't" is irrelevant as we aren't discussing each individual member. We're talking about the band as a whole and more importantly - the music they made/make.
(P.S. How long you, I or anyone else has been listening to the band is also irrelevant cause it changes *_NOTHING_* about how the band has been categorized for the last 40+ yrs... What I do find odd is that if you have been listening to the band for what you claim to be a while (I assume) and you still believe that they "aren't" Goth.)
As a longtime Cure fan, don't watch this. The commentary is 90+% contrived and boring. If you are a new fan, this isn't going to tell you anything useful. Listen to the band's music. The most interesting thing I got from this is Porl/Pearl is Robert's brother in law.
Also, the music you hear is almost all garbage covers...
Aspects of Three imaginary boys w as just so good, but Seventeen Seconds .. much atmosphere! I hate the description of pop, or bleak sounds. It’s just not that simple. I’ve always thought Robert Smiths image is symptomatic of his sensitive nature. You can hear it in his voice. Awkward and seductive.
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moved closer to TooL
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Love the documentary, but hate all the live songs from live performance of The Top. It's amazing that album charted top 10 given how disjointed and non-melodic the songs on that album are, which explains why it's my least favorite Cure album. Ironically, iconic Cure songs such as The Walk, The Caterpillar and The Lovecats came from this same period, which is a strange dichotomy, but then that's The Cure.
the interviewed people are not cure fans.
Sorry, but the claim that A Forest was "the first indication of a goth band or a Goth side to The Cure lurking within their framework" is so ridiculous I stopped watching. The Subway Song or 10:15 Saturday Night were what exactly? Power Pop?
They are kinda clueless pretentious critics
I'm Cold is my favorite
A bunch of people who nothing about the band, offering their opinions.... terrible
Just love that accent, very sexy
I rather jump in the river than sing 😂
17 seconds: 👍👍👍👍 Faith: 👍👍👍👍👍pornography👍👍👍 the other Albums are just not important at all…
Lullaby is a super scary song, enticing but dangerous, not at all a lullaby, like poison that makes you feel nice and numb while you’re being eaten alive. The radio guy is very dumb.
Exactly! I got so freaked out when I accidentally seen it on my television back in that day that I couldn't sleep for a number of years before my early teens.
Since when was Charlotte Sometimes on "Faith"?? WTF? Grrrrr
Why the crappy re-recorded versions? A Forest sounds awful here...the original should have been used.
I love them a lot, but let’s not kid ourselves…they have a lot of really boring songs too.
Burn the heretic! (Just kidding.) There's only about one album of The Cure's that doesn't really draw me in, and some albums/songs don't call to me unless I'm in the right mood, but they're still my favorite band. To each their own. Peace!