The Hidden Welsh Places Outside Wales
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Did you know there are Welsh place names, enwau llefydd, outside of Wales?
Cymraeg is a lot more common than you might think on the island of Great Britain! The history of Wales is awash with wonderful words and names that seem exotic to non-Welsh speakers, but all over Great Britain there are towns, villages, hills, rivers, even cities and regions with Old Welsh names! To say nothing of the Gaelic (Gaidhlig), Irish (Gaeilge), Cornish (Kernowek), Manx (Gaelg), Scots, Northumbrian, and Cumbric names, you'd be amazed how many non-English place names exist here.
There are Welsh places in America as well, of course, most famously Bangor, Maine, but the ones in this video have Welsh names because they were named before English was even a language!
Let's have a look at just a few of these wonderful old names in my own old language and old tongue, and find out what they mean!
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Is Welsh a Celtic language?
I recently purchased the osprey publising book on post roman kingdoms of gaul and britain.
They show what they believe king arthur would have looked like as well asy gododdin and cadwallon ap cadfan. All are wearing late roman armour and I was wondering how accurate is this?
@@lacybookworm5039 yes. All surviving Celtic languages are in the Goidelic and Brythonic branches; the former includes Irish and the latter includes Welsh, so they're about as different as modern Celtic languages can be, but they're closer to each other than either is to the language of the Celtae, the tribe living in modern Belgium that the family is named after.
As a side note to the River Avon meaning it’s really called ‘the River River’, England also has Torpenhow Hill which means ‘Hill hill hill Hill’; one can only assume there’s a hill there. 😜
It's probably a joke.
"Which hill?"
"The tor"
"The Tor? The tor of that hill is the tor?"
"Aye that's the hill, the tor at the pen of that how"
And so on and so forth
Yes, Jim, as a Scotsman (originally from Edinburgh, educated in Glasgow), I'd _love_ you to do more on Welsh place names and language, and Scottish/Irish associations. I found this fascinating 👍
I would love more Welsh based content, especially language based.🙂
""Hello from the Welsh American Channel. Just want to let you know that we Welsh Americans are also interested in what is going on in Wales and all things Welsh. Cymru am byth!"""
My grandmother (Nain) told me that her mother could have a conversation with the ‘Jonny Onions’ sellers that came over from Brittany in those days (I suppose late 19th/early 20th century, as my Nain was born in 1900). We are from Anglesey.
I'm a linguist and I will watch any and all videos about Cymraeg!
yes, more Welsh toponomy, yesssss more Welsh pronunciation guides. Yessssss, please! As a totally non-Celtic, non-English person who has taken a stab at learning Irish(very small stab, more of a nick, really), it is the spelling of the Celtic languages that defeats comprehension. I would love to be able to look at a word in Welsh and have at least a prayer of getting the pronunciation right. And you do sound more Welsh today. Your voice is sort of warmer and softer and more like caramel. Don't stop! Caramel is great!
I would love a video on Welsh pronunciation - I'm studying Irish now, and it's funny how much Welsh does feel like, "Ah, yes, this is clearly the cousin of the language I'm studying," but of course the pronunciation is totally different. Also thought you'd appreciate that my Irish teacher starts every class with a log ainm (place name).
My English teacher at school was Welsh, and my French teacher was Breton. And they could understand each other if they used their respective native tongues.
A friend of mine is Welsh and lives in the Bretagne. He told me he has no problem speaking Welsh to his neighbours who still speak Breton. BTW, both his daughters learn Breton at school.
that is great to read. :) Dw i'n hoffi Cymraeg a dw i eisiau dysgu Breton un dydd.@@seorsamaclately4294
My one French teacher was Welsh, and apparently everyone she met while living in Wales thought she was Breton. I was the only kid in class who understood what she was talking about because I used to live in deepest darkest rural Brittany on and off, where most people in our hamlet didn't even speak French.
On a side note Jimmy. I studied French (have an MA in French and German). Anyway, when I lived in France as part of my studies, I lived in Brittany (place called Lannion). One of the other British students there was Welsh. She spent most of her time not speaking French but speaking Welsh precisely because it is still mutually comprehensible with Breton. Not just was, still is.
Wonderful. I'd like to hear what their folk tales are like - I'd have thought that there'd be quite a body of tales about their migration from the Isles.
The title of the channel is "The Welsh Viking", so I expect to hear about Welsh and Viking both, probably in a medieval context. I think this video is right inside the expected scope of sujets for this channel.
More Welsh videos on any topic! Languages are so interesting and you have such a passion for these things that one cannot but help being interested
Yes. My diasporic self would very much like more of all this. 🙂
I would love a video about welsh pronunciation and more about medieval Wales would be awesome!
A video on basic pronounciation would be great! I always like to know how to pronounce place names etc. correctly, even it´s just mentally while reading.
Firstly, to quote the late lamented Victoria Wood, “it’s all spelt ‘Ecclefechan’ and pronounced ‘Kirkcudbright ’”, and secondly, yes, I for one would love an episode or two about Welsh pronunciation!
Now I'm wondering if the Cumberland Gap between Maryland and West Virginia is named after Wales!
There's one in Tennessee, too. The Appalachians were heavily settled by Scots and there's no stretch of the imagination to think there were Welsh there, too.
That's made me remember the Avon lady who went door to door with cosmetics in the 80s.... She suddenly takes on cool Brythonic mythic connotations being the 'river' lady... 😂
I'd love a Brythonic language video by the way... I'm actually putting my Welsh learning slightly on hold whilst learning Cornish (as I keep mixing them up as they overlap so much 😅) but am very very keen on learning more about Brythonic languages/etymology in general... ❤
More Welsh language and history please
This was such an interesting video! I love learning the history behind place names.
Also, I'm all for a country being called what THEY want to be called, not what some outsider calls them. So for what it's worth, I support Wales becoming Cymru.
Yes, please, more Welsh language.
Oh more welsh centered topics please . I was raised in an area with a toe on the english side of the Northern Marches ( west of Shrewsbury) and Welsh culture fascinates me .
I'd definitely watch Welsh language videos!
Id love more Welsh! Languages are great, especially reclaiming languages that others have tried to stamp out.
Honestly, as an older Canadian lady, I would love to learn everything about Wales or Cymru! I find history fascinating and you have a natural way of teaching, so share ALL of your knowledge!!!!
Yes to Welsh language basics video...! Yes!
I love this, and I think you should make whatever you want about Welsh history, language, culture, and I’ll watch it all
The Lan in Lancaster is generally assumed to come from the river Lune on which it's built
From the wikipedia page on the river Lune: Several elucidations for the origin of the name Lune exist. Firstly, it may be that the name is Brittonic in genesis and derived from *lǭn meaning "full, abundant",[2] or "healthy, pure" (c.f. Old Irish slán, Welsh llawn).[3] Secondly, Lune may represent Old English Ēa Lōn (ēa = "river") as a phonetic adaptation of a Romano-British name referring to a Romano-British god Ialonus who was worshipped in the area.[4]
Go for it regarding changing from English back to Welsh - and the name of Wales to Cymru. I'm an Aussie of mainly Welsh descent and in Australia MANY place names are from the language of the various first nation/indigenous groups/ 'mobs'. We think nothing of it and take those names for granted , and sound and spell them correctly even if they are complex or' tongue-twisters' eg. Woolloomooloo, Carraragarmungee, Eurobodallah, Yarroweyah, Ngangalaba, Kalkarindji, Yoongarillup, Boomahnoomoonah, Cadibarrawirracanna and Mamungkukumpurangkuntjunya, etc. More are being changed back to their original names.
Okay, yes I giggled just before you said, "Don't we're moving on." 3rd grade me then just laughed. More Welsh, please. 🙏
Good to know I wasn't the only one!
Would love to have more Welsh language content!
As a selected Cumbrian (of Devon heritage) living in Carlisle, but raised in North Wales for a time, and an archaeologist I really REALLY enjoyed this video. Diolch yn fawr ❤ (my Welsh is poor forgive me if it's spelled wrong).
Yes to more Welsh content!!
Very interested in more welsh language videos! USAmerican viewer here in the Northeast and I've been surprised by how many words/place names I know in my area are welsh (thanks colonization). Nevertheless, I think making our idea of the UK less generic helps teach critical understanding of how what we consider "normal" or even unremarkable came to be there.
3:59 - _raises hand_ maybe it’ll even stick with me better than primary school Welsh lessons have 😅
Personally, I'd love as much Welsh language & culture content as you're willing to make. It's not like we're not going to get plenty of history along with it... 😄
Yes, please a course on how to pronounce Cymraeg (Welsh) words would be wonderful, especially how to get Ll correct plus the R. I do have an ulterior motive for this. The Brother Cadfael Chronicles of Ellis Peters (Edith Pargeter) was a well loved series of mysteries for my deceased mother, which I also like. I would love to correctly pronounce the names of the Welsh characters and locations that appear in a number of the books. Also, she mentioned various places and people including Viking Dublin. Historical mysteries with romance, what is not to love.
I always love learning more about place names, history, and Welsh.
One thing I'm very interested in are false etymologies -- where a story has been created over the centuries to explain why some place is called something, but research shows the traditional explanation isn't right!
Fluent Irish speaker here, absolutely fascinated by all your Welsh language content (being also a hopeless language nerd). We too have a national obsession with place names going back at least 1500 years. (Does Wales do "townlands"? It seems every rushy field in Ireland has its own name, and I've read in a plausible source that these names were fixed by about 800 CE.) We also do the thing with the slightly unexpected colour boundaries.
But what I'm most delighted by in this video is the bit about Dover. Yes, I enjoyed your glee that people often land in a Welsh-named place, but then you explained it meant "water", and my brain went "DING!" - because the Irish for hippopotamus is "dobhar-each" ("water-horse"), and one of the words for otter is "dobharchú" ("waterhound"). Clearly, "dobhar" is cognate with "dˆwr" (damn coloniser keyboard won't add a hat to the w for me) - but as the ordinary modern Irish word for "water" is "uisce" (as in "whiskey", yes yes), I might never have known this gleaming little fact if you hadn't happened to bring it up. So thanks for that!
How to Pronounce LL, DD, Y, and W: Introduction to Welsh Spelling and Pronunciation is totally something I would watch.
I'd love to see more Welsh language/cultural things, it's really interesting!
i seem to remember enjoying your video on ancient sewage pipes, so I'm sure I''ll be glued to the screen for a video on etymology of placenames :)
Yay, more Welsh related videos please!!!! Possible collab with Cambrian Chronicles?!?
We actually should!
I'll watch your videos no matter what the topic. I always learn something new.
Presenting Jimmy works for me. 😊
More welsh language content please!❤
I'd love some more about Welsh history.... everyone knows about the Vikings and Anglo-Saxons but few would know anything about the Welsh kingdoms of the time...
And the relationship of Gwynedd with Dublin is particularly interesting.
Oh - and something about a possible Irish invasion or settlement of Wales in the very early medieval period would be good... I've heard about this but can't find out much about it.
I would love the basics of the Welsh language. My great-grandparents came from Wales and I really want to connect with that heritage. So glad I found your vlog!
I’m a big fan of the Welsh language and culture, and considering the near-disappearance of Welsh in history, seeing you do videos about Wales and the language and culture would he, in my opinion, essential to helping preserve the Welsh language and culture.
Jimmy: if you'd be interested in.....
Me: hush up and take my money!
More Welsh language and culture stuff, please
I'd love more Welsh language, especially pronunciation.
Yes please, more videos on welsh, anything welsh! The language is beautiful and fascinating.
A deep dive into the stories of the Mabinogion would also be very interesting!
Personally I LOVE the Cymry stuff. Fathers side of the family were Welsh, I know barely anything and am fascinated. It is such a lush sounding language.
Me at 0:29 - YES PLEASE! I would love more videos on Welsh language and culture. I've wanted to learn Welsh since I read Susan Cooper's books and finding your channel was such a joy. I'd be thrilled for more videos elaborating on the topic.
YES PLEASE MORE WELSH CONTENT!
Only, could you maybe add more maps for those of us who have no idea where all those lesser known British places are? :)
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Cumbrian here, and I'm for anything that detaches us from Westminster.
We have a lot of celt/brittonic place names in Yorkshire, especially in the area of the old kingdom of Elmet. We even have Cumberworth which was named so because it was a settlement of celts who remained in the area (who identified as being from Cymru)
I would love a Welsh 101 video!
Being from Northern England in a part of the country that used to be Rheged, it was always cool to see how many toponyms from the Hen Ogledd in places like Yorkshire and Cumbria, in spite of Anglo-Saxon and Norse toponyms still taking up a fair majority.
Yes please, an intro to Welsh language and pronunciation! I've seen a few, but never from a first language speaker.
8:35 What about calling him "Chatty Jimmy"? 😁😁
Yes pronunciation vid please!
Yes more Welsh language please. I love learning about the language and etymology
Another vote in favour of exploring cymraeg and Cymru. Also Happy St David's Day/Dydd Gwyl Dewi Sant Hapus
Maol Rós is "bald hill of the headland/promontory" in Irish and Scots Gaelic as well. There's a lot of cognates bouncing around between the Brytonic and Goidelic languages.
Stratford from Stratford upon Avon is from OEn *Stræt-ford*: A ford on the Street (being a Roman road). The Avon in question isn't borrowed from Cymraeg, but is thought to be a survival from the Brythonic spoken before the Romans turned up and the Saxons replaced it. "British", if you will.
My understanding of Cambria and Cymru is that they were different Brythonic kingdoms in the pre-Saxon days, and that one was Latinised Cambria (thus Gerald of Wales, *Geraldus Cambrensis*), and the other Cumbria, but by the time of the Normans it was an even bet which name was used for which area.
Come check out the SCA College of Heralds some time. Historical Onomastics is kind of our jam.
I'll always be keen for more welsh language content.
Welsh is such an interesting language that rarely gets the attention it deserves.
My Mum was in Brittany some 60 years ago and could understand a couple of old boys in a cafe talking Breton. So in linguistic terms not that long ago.
you made a video about poop and we all watched it
i think we can handle some welsh lessons!
I was thinking of that video too!
Aaaw YES to the etymology of toponomy!!! As someone who did a double major in history and geography and before that studied linguistics, this sounds like my absolute dream 🤩🥹
And another definite YES to a basics of welsh pronounciation video!
This video was fascinating, too, btw! 😅 And I didn't find it slow but easy to follow, so... do with that information what you like 😁
The place names in the US get pretty wild. I live in a place with a Native American name (soooo much fun to hear call center people try to pronounce it). However, place names in my state come from everywhere, with a variety of English (possibly Welsh or Norse, too) names and then random ones which have to be a joke. One of the snowiest spots in the state got named Florida...
I am so here for the Welsh pronunciation guide - and all things Welsh, really.
(I'd advanced quite a ways in the Duolingo Welsh course when I noticed that people in the now-deleted comments section said that the computer voice botched some of the pronunciation. So there is stuff I just learnt wrong 🙄.)
On Glasgow's origin, if we take element 'cau' as 'hollow or depression' rather than just field. Immediately East and behind the city's cathedral, where Kentigern's church once stood, there is a dip between the cathedral and the steep hill that the city's western Necropolis is on. This is quite possibly the 'Green hollow' that gave the city its name. Even after many centuries and a road being built through it, the hollow is still there and is still flanked by trees.
Fascinating! I lived in Chirk for a while and I always wanted to live in Wales and now I live in Cumbria (not far from Penrith) so I have nearly achieved my dream.
You've lived in some very nice areas though!
Linguistics, etymology, and toponymy are some of my favourite topics so I'm always up for more videos on this!
I live in Portugal and I've been learning Welsh as a hobby. And it's interesting to find names that have Welsh cognates.
Like, Aveiro is related to Aberystwyth and other Aber-placenames, river Douro (Dūrius in Latin) is related to dŵr, and we have a river Ave in Vila do Conde is cognate of afon. (And Évora is cognate of Efrog and its English name York, which is related to the plant of efwr apparently?)
The Celtic and Italic language families are more closely related to each other than to any other branch of the Indo-European tree.
Hmmm, I wonder how much of that made it to Brazil.. very interesting!
I'd love more language content.
Penrith just reminds me of "we went on holiday by mistake!" from Withnail and I. Also, yes please for more Welsh language content!
Yorkshire bloke living in Perth, Western Australia here.
A tributary of the Swan River here in Perth is called the Avon, but interestingly here it's pronounced the old way with a short "a" as "Avvon".
Back in my old part of the world, in Yorkshire, there is a hill called Pen-y-ghent, from Cumbric meaning head of the border, perhaps.
Love your videos Jimmy, greetings from Western Australia.
Just thinking in regards to Staffordshire. We have… Eccleshall, Cheadle, Mow Cop, Pen, Penkridge, Penkhull, Trentham, Lichfield to name a few.
Ooh childhood flashbacks. My auntie had basically that same fireplace.
While the subject was specifically Welsh place names in the British Isles, I've long been fascinated by the Welsh names of towns where I grew up, and have now come back to, decades later. I grew up in Wyndmoor, and went to school in Wyncote. Nearby there are the towns of Wynwood, Bryn Mawr, and possibly my favorite ('cause I had a PO box there for a while): Bala Cynwyd. I love to joke that Welsh uses all the letters other languages left behind. Even the spelling of my name has an unnecessary "Y" in, although I don't think Kathryn is actually a Welsh spelling (please! Someone tell me if I'm wrong!). Great video, Jimmy! And yes, please, more Welsh language content!
As a Czech who knows roughly how Welsh spelling works, I always find this attitude towards it, well... funny? Don't get me wrong, Welsh is great. But to a Czech hearing it, it actually can have the beauty of a less consonant-heavy language. 😂 So that popular joke that Welsh has no vowels... no, they just spell vowels with letters English-speakers think of as consonants. It's just spelling. Czech? We actually have syllable-forming consonants. We can construct whole ass sentences without _pronouncing_ a single vowel.
(Also I love that Welsh, unlike Gaeilge, is pretty predictable in how things are pronounced!)
Sorry, Kathrn (you did say the "y" was unnecessary), but a Welsh spelling wouldn't have K, it'd be Cathryn.
I would love to have a bit more information on how Welsh is spoken. I have been trying to learn, without the basics such as the letters, the sounds and the common phenomes (I have a dyslexic daughter, so i have been learning a TONNE about phoemic awareness in the languages she is learning in, English and French)
Absolutely love etymology content! I recently read a book about the etymology of place names in Somerset (because I’m cool) and growing up there too there’s a lot of places with Coombe in the name because of the Welsh cwm. Also just the name Somerset can be broken down into ‘summer settlement’ - because it used to flood every winter - and in both Welsh and Cornish it is called gwlad yr haf (spelling may be different?) which means the land of the summer
Jimmy: if you’re interested, by the way, in me doing a video on -
Me: yes. Immediately yes. No matter what the topic.
(Also loved this one as always)
This is excellent video I would be very interested to see a video of Welsh pronunciation.
More Welsh language videos, please! Welsh anything really, but I do love the language videos.
Yes!! Definitely do a video on welsh language and pronunciation and definitely included places around where u live! (not like ur home specifically, but like historical sites that you've been with interesting names, places you've explored, etc.) Welsh and the history of the country is so ignored everywhere outside the UK and it's genuinely a treat to learn about the diversity of that island that we're often made to ignore or erase!!
Yes please, Welsh language video! I am fascinated and would definitely watch :)
Reminds me of the whole manufactured outrage at finally officially calling Denali Denali rather than "Mt. McKinley". My brother in Christ, us locals could peg you as a tourist because you would ask for Mt. McKinley. We always just called it Denali even before it became "official".
Would LOVE more on place names - I find them fascinating and have a book in the car that explains a lot
I was brought up in a valley called Combs in the middle of Derbyshire- and early spellings of the place name have it Cwm!
I would absolutely watch more Welsh language videos! Your videos are my first introduction to the Welsh language and it’s absolutely beautiful.
yesyesyes to the basic pronunciation and introduction to welsh!! would love that!
Diolch yn fawr! Great video on a really interesting topic. Dw i'n hoffi gwylio! I'd certainly watch a video introducing Welsh pronunciation and the language, that would be great.
I also note that with someof the Scottish placenames you referenced, there is a close correlation between the Brythonic elements and the Gaelic -- eaglais for Eccles- and maol for Mel-, for example. North of the Forth-Clyde line we also have a lot of Brythonic placenames which are thought to be the last traces of Pictish (as I'm sure you know), particularly those starting pit- and aber- (cf Aberdeen and Aberystwyth).
Eglwys/eccles/eaglais = all descend from Greek through Roman. The Romans having brought the religion with them.
Listening to you bellow a death lament in old welsh at York was astonishing. All for Welsh content.
Yes, Jimmy; please do a Welsh language pronunciation video!
Liked for "Chester, we're /coming for you/"
Yes to Welsh pronunciation and language content!
Great video, I am always interested in finding out about the means of place names, so please make more.