Coaching My Wife Through Form Changes on Her Barebow
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- čas přidán 6. 04. 2021
- We have been working on helping her set to setup lift, setting alignment and drawing the bow back with the proper form. Many archers miss the most important concepts in archery and these are what we are trying to drive home in this video.
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Hi Jake, you started your barebow series with Heather roughly at the same time I started doing archery. I shot my first indoor tournament on 06 March 2021 and I scored 175 out of 300. My second indoor tournament was on the 26th of March and after watching your videos arrow tuning and specially the one on your new anchor point, my score increased from 175 to 218. So I just want to thank you for doing what you are doing, it is a HUGE help to us out here!
When the student is ready, the teacher will come. Love the way you coaching your wife. What a lovely couple.
Hi I’m 56 and only just started archery and love it and it’s great to see that I’m just the same and will improve. Thank you for these great tutorials!
Great content. Appreciated the breakdown and talking it out with Heather. She’s doing awesome!
Thx you Heather for showing your progress! As a beginner I have been very frustrated with myself, so this helped me to remember one arrow at a time.
Excellent bloke, im new to archery, going straight to barebow traditional , this helps me no end , thankyou for your insight.
The perfect shot always feels great and straight. Funny the remark of the bow's not sounds good after a bad one.
Hugh improvement in Heather's form. This just shows what excellent coaching does.
LOL, that 1st group for me was scary, twilight zone stuff but as the session progressed outcomes became more as I would expect. Whew
I'm a 75 year old, self-taught archer. I started shooting winter 2018, been able to shoot without a hitch or interpretation since May 2021, whew almost 8mths... what's there to say but YES learn to maintain #backtesion throughout the shot process, it's foundational, PUSH to the target, push through release and followthrough. .. can I get an Amen!
The only difference I could discern in process was that I've taught myself to establish tip to elbow alignment (welded chain) at setup.
Now stance, open or closed, I couldn't see Heather's but regardless both require the archer to rotate upper in opposition to the lower body or hips but with open stance one achieves more rotational or core tension/stability through the shot process.
In any case, the only diff that I could discern between your process and probably most of the world and how I've taught myself was at setup.
My setup is complete when tip to elbow are in alignment. Of course this has me across the line to target.
Next push/raise to ready oops, still across, draw to anchor-still across...
Now rotate to target, expand, release and XXXX...X 😆
Thanks for all the A+ barebow content coach. I was stoked when you began adding barebow content because you had begun shooting BB.
Curious, in what part of FL are you, north, central or south? Senior nationals in May are at Ft Lauderdale...
I was gonna ask if you would be shooting but then I thought better ask Google, good thing, LOL, you're just a kid 😉 😅 Maybe if you're in the area you’ll stop by 🤞
Lol, I'm the one who mentioned about bow-gripping in the previous video but yeah, I get you.
When I first started I also struggled with the multitudes of things to take note of: stance, alignment, posture, no puffing of chest, pronating the elbow, set position, breathing cycle, drawing, anchoring, keeping tension, transfer, string alignment, active or passive targeting, clean release, proper follow through, I agree its very overwhelming.
I take it like learning a dance - learn the first 5 steps, practice till mastered, learn the next 5 steps, practice till mastered, combine steps 1 to 10, learn steps 11 to 15 etc etc.
Always great to have a partner who is also into what your interest is! 😍
This was a very good video. As a beginner I learned a lot and the camera angles were really helpful too. Thank you 👍😎🇦🇺
Hi Jake. Thank you for the continued content with Heather and her training. Watching you coach her has given me ideas and guidance for my own archery students. I’m a relatively new NTS II instructor at just over 2 years and words can’t even describe how helpful your entire series has been. Keep it up! And don’t forget, not only are you teaching archery, you’re teaching others (like me) how to teach archery. Thanks again!
I agree thanks to Heather for allowing these to be filmed. Jake thanks for the series like this video forced me to evaluate my own sequence and that is good. Forced me to check form as well.
I really liked seeing this live coaching session with a novice. I feel like Im personally more advanced than your wife is but I really like hearing what you feel is the hierarchy of important steps. A lot of times I feel like I'm focusing on too many little steps and it's good to take a step back and work on the important things first
Heather,,,thank you for letting Jake coach you,,and Jake remember when you work with her. It is important for a coach to recall what he works with the student,,makes you feel that you care
Heather, can you describe the area of “burn” in a little more in detail? Maybe a drawn line on a photo? Thanks.
To me, if she is shooting at 50 meters as a beginner. She is doing really good. She is blessed to have a world class coach. Have you done a video on when to release according to your sight picture? You know your pin is moving around the bullseye. How so you know in that split second when to release? With rifles you start to inhale and exhale to get your rifle to move up and down on a vertical plane.Your breathing is controlled so that you move your rifle on this vertical plane. This eliminates the 360 degree circling of the target. As the rifle is coming up, you pull the trigger when you think the sight is going to cross the threshold of the target.
Incredible patience by both of you. Teaching a spouse is like the "third rail" of marriage! All the honesty helps.
Try losing the finger sling. Try a wrist sling, to me they always feel more secure.
Well done Heather, great video and very helpful coaching Jake.
That was very helpful. Lots of good tips and tidbits 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
very nice, I thing it is very important when a coach can create catchy images to explain and imprint smth. in pupil's brain. Tnese images correcly chosen serve very well and some are staying forever
I’ve started repeating the whole bit about tension to myself before a shot it’s a great reminder. Thanks again for the videos
enjoyed the video...I'm learning by watching you coach your wife.
Thank you guys
Awesome video. This is the stage I am at so it was very helpful. I can't wait to get my in person lesson soon though! See you in 3 weeks!
You both have such a positive attitude. Really a great team while still working seriously. I learn a ton watching Heather’s progression. Thank you both
As a total beginner, this series is so incredibly helpful and informative. Thank you so much, Jake and Heather!
At 19:50 is excellent advice for reflecting on back tension through the release. Thank you.
It’s hard for me to really work on three or more things during a practice session without it feeling mechanical.
I’m a “want to know why” type of person. Your explanation of the steel chain helped a bunch! I added it to my list of things to review.
Glad to help. Thanks for being a channel member by the way!
Doing great Heather, you are just going by leaps and bounds. I remember it took me 3 times as long, like a year, to get to where you are now. Awesome to see Jake, and really great promotion for the sport.
Wow, great progression what you two are doing, well mainly Heather, ha ha. And good grouping on the normal to good shots.
Thx for sharing, Fun to watch, nice that you don’t take it too seriously, have fun and laugh together I like your spirit , keep it
Insane that Heather is hitting golds at 50 yards after only 3 months.
Great video, Jake. I shared this with my coach, Sarah Briscoe, who is an NTS Level 4 Coach. She recognized Coach Lee's influence on your style. Sarah coaches me with the same approach. Informative, encouraging, and humor to boot. Thanks for sharing.
Great video with a lot of insights.
BTW, nice bow weight on your riser.
Entertaining Video!!
Great video, Jake. Heather's form looks great for only having shot BB for 3 months! I am particularly impressed with her string hand (hook) as she gets off the string and finishes the shot. I would love to be able to get off the string consistently like that. You may have already done a video on the hook, but would you be interested in explaining, in a video, how you teach students to release while maintaining the hook? Thanks for all the excellent content you are providing on your channel!
i started shooting at the age of 54. i was verry entusiastic and shot every day,
after 2 weeks i decided to only shoot every 2. day because my body was not recovering from the strain quik enough to allow me to shoot every day.
dont underestimate the physical strain of shooting bow, especialy if you go up the bowweight to the limit of you strength.
damn 50 m.... :-)
I can see her mind trying to remember everything, keep it fun Jake, she wants to shoot bow with you, but too much, might be too much to get frustration started. I think she's doing great for what one week or two of shooting her bow. How far is the target away from her, in the video looks like about 30 - 35 yards away ? I wish her good (easy) luck with her bare bow shooting.
Hi! I’m shooting 50 meters in this session :)
A really informative video and a delight to watch. You two really do make a good team. A outlet of issues of which I'm unsure of are the elbow rotation of the bow hand and the string alignment during the shot process. For me at least further clarification would be really useful
we're a year since this video. It would be really interesting to see how Heather has progressed in that year. If shes still shooting!
I like your video ideas and the ones with Heather are so sweet ....
Great overarching lesson in this video I personally practice and advocate to others as well... don't focus on too many things... pick the lowest hanging fruit first. What will make the biggest difference, what is the biggest problem/weakest link? Whatever that is, it is the mission of the sessions until it is addressed. 'Addressed' could mean until it is entirely fixed, but at the very least, it means until it is longer the weakest part of my shot at which point I switch over to what is.
Not a bad way to look at it. One step at a time. But don't sweat the small stuff when the larger things haven't been cemented.
Hi Jake, Could you make this a series. I'd be and am interested in following Heather's progress through this.
Good video, do more of this type. There are good infos :-)
very good !!!
I saw a video last week where you were trying to get more distance for Heather without having to aim above the target. You went with lighter arrows, but in case you didn't think of it, you can also go to a lower anchor point rather than in the corner of the mouth andstill using the arrow point as a reference. Kinda of like where you're anchoring lower on the jaw.
Yeah for sure, but changing your form when your new is worse then just getting lighter arrows. This is why in that video we mentioned not wanting to change the anchor. One anchor for all distances is a much better approach for new people in my opinion.
Thanks for the input.
@@JakeKaminskiArchery Sorry, Must have missed that about changing the anchor.
@@JakeKaminskiArchery I might have missed it, but what arrow set up for the 50 is Heather shooting right now? I know she has the VAPs, but how short did she go and what point weight is she using?
Hey Jake & Heather...thanks for the follow up!😘 When would you line the string blur up with the riser edge instead if the arrow point? Second, when is the "breath out" i.e. slight chest collaps in the shot process?🤔
Thank You!🎯
Hey Jake when are you going to do a video of Hoyt Xceed at 70 meters
Very lovely couple.
You both do a tremendous job with these films, give me so much inspiration. I am curious, why does Heather have a sleeve on the arm she pulls with?
Thanks for your encouragement :)
I wear a sleeve because I had to have most of my lymph nodes removed on my right side... so I’m at a high risk for lymphedema, and the sleeve prevents that. I didn’t wear one in other videos because the draw weight was low enough that it wasn't an issue.
I'm a 58 year old beginner. Great video. You both work so well together. How far away is the target? I'm so impressed.
Thanks :) 50 meters
Great vid, but sooo discouraging to see your cool lady easily hits 50 meters target, while after 6 months I'm still looking to tighten my groups at 15 meters... That's probably the difference between having top notch coach and learning alone. Very useful tips though, thanks 🙏 One more thing- I'm curious who's red rig is behind? 🚚 Cheers!
Good vid again , thanks.
Question: I'm a 5' 11" athletic ( mostly) male. I shoot 60 lb compound bow. But I'm looking at getting into recurve archery.
Any tips on what draw weight I should be looking at?
Thanks for any help!
Awsome video...
I like your riser..can you sel this raiser
Thanks for another great video. What is Heathers bow weight please. The biggest problem for the 80 or so Archers at my field club is the release. Literally only a few have a decent release. I know you’ve covered this in your form series but could you do a video that just covers this please ?
She’s shooting 29-30 lbs
Would hooking Heather up to the Astra shot trainer be something useful?
I'm not an archer, but I want to be. I would like to ask you something... You can usually (always) read about movement that you have to practice slowly so that the brain does everything automatically. I play a lot of fps games. All the pros there are very fast, it's almost like they're cheating. Many pros say that you need to hit the target quickly with the reticle. This is how you should practice, even if you don't hit anything at first. You learn the subconscious movement much sooner if you have to do it quickly (in real time) one after the other. Since you do it quickly, it is too much for the brain, and it asks the subconscious for help to solve the task. Slowly, it only takes until one gets to know the process. After that, however, you have to do it faster and faster until you reach realistic speed. I can imagine this in archery by breaking the whole process into parts. I do the first phase until it goes instinctively. Then comes the next phase. Once you have them all, you can string the moves together. 1-2. 1-2-3. 1-2-3-4... I think the learning process is faster this way. Do you think this is a good idea?
Damn that's impressive, what is that like 30 meters?
What riser and limbs are you shooting?
Just wondering... can... or would you video coach a compounder also?
Hi! Jake has done video coaching reviews for several compound archers :)
As an athlete and a coach, I have been in Tim Gallwey’s The Inner Game approach to teaching. I avoid a lot of do this or don’t do that instruction, as it leads to over thinking. Instead increase awareness of what is happening, instead of what should be happening. With repetition, the body figures it out through experience and feedback. Less internal stress and dialog. Also less reliance on external cues from the coach. The external cues can be a crutch and a hindrance to true self competence. More enjoyable way to learn a skill.
The thumbtack experiment that Jake mentioned is a good, but an extreme, example of how the increased awareness of a movement can give direct biofeedback and lead to rapid change and control. As they say in Lean Production, what is measured is managed. In a less painful approach, the student would focus on the bow hand pressure against the grip and then report after each shot what the pressure was on a scale of 0 to 5. After a few repetitions, the student will get better at rating the perceived pressure. The motor program loop will be getting direct real-time feedback with objective input. This is far superior to coach cues like "you had too much tension in your grip", or "try to use less grip tension". Vague and often judgmental comments are not really that helpful. The student needs to get in the process loop with real-time biofeedback to master a skill. "Do this... and don't do that..." statements distract from concentrating on the internal mind-body feedback loop.
Hi Jake, what total weight are you currently adding to your bow?
Is she still shooting barebow to this day?
I'm getting a lot of coaching value outta this - I'm at something close to Heather's stage in developing my form (she's going to leap ahead of me, don't I know it - I don't have the weather or the huge back yard let alone a coach!) but I'm soaking up every word of advice from Coach JK (not least on 'how to set your grip', which has me itching to break out the epoxy putty 😊).
I am wondering though - I'm hearing a set-to-setup mantra from Coach JK which includes "apex - reach", and I don't recall hearing it before. Do I need to revisit an older form series for an explanation, or can I ask for a note of explanation of "apex - reach", or to cover it in a video you've yet to make?
Loving your work guys, as ever. Stay safe.
Just making notes from the captions, for future reference - "At the apex really set, and reach, [build] and lock, and then just hinge in the back" (17:32)
I think this a part of the mental game - internal focus on what matters for the shot, not paying heed to external things.
Practiced diligently, it becomes part of you - like walking, or writing your signature - so that when you need to do it (to save your life/in competition) you do it as a matter of course.
Wau.. far away... must be 50 yards
Thanks for this and your other videos. I am a 70 year old new archer and am learning a lot from you especially when Heather is shooting and y'all discussing what just happened thanks again.