Explaining Hero's hefty hitboxes (Smash Ultimate)

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  • čas přidán 12. 08. 2019
  • Hero is certainly an interesting character. He's one of the few characters that have immediately upon his release caused quite the ruckus. So why don't we take a look at his hitboxes and see if they stack up.
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  • @skellysniperyt3210
    @skellysniperyt3210 Před 4 lety +230

    If you have Psyche Up and you crit a smash attack, you'll normally:
    -Break shields
    -Deal 50+ damage
    -*Kill at 0%*

    • @charKT-7461
      @charKT-7461 Před 3 lety +18

      Not to mention stacking Oomph on it.

    • @DeisFortuna
      @DeisFortuna Před 3 lety +15

      @@charKT-7461 I mean, in Dragon Quest VIII, if you get Yangus, Angelo or Eight (the Hero represented in Smash) to 50 or 100 tension (which are what I'm assuming SSBU Psyche Up is based on) and then buff them with Oomph, whatever you hit is probably gonna die on the spot, unless it's like, a boss or a Metal Slime or something, so... At least the power of the buffs is accurate?

    • @macmadness5932
      @macmadness5932 Před 3 lety +3

      A few days ago i introduced him fo the characrer for the first time, and the first thing i did to him was oomph + pshych up + forward smash + crit for 88%

    • @falconiday6130
      @falconiday6130 Před 3 lety +7

      Psyche up + Oomph gives you 8 moves that instantly break full shields (not counting hatchet man which breaks shields before any buffs)
      F-smash (no charge required)
      U-smash (from under platforms, no charge required)
      D-smash (slightly charged, or if both hits land)
      F-tilt (if both hits connect)
      Flame Slash (all hitboxes)
      D-air (sweetspot only)
      B-air (sweetspot only)
      Dash attack
      One interesting thing to note is that critical hits on smash attacks do not increase shield damage, only shield stun and pushback to both characters.

    • @graysonwells21
      @graysonwells21 Před 3 lety +3

      Psyche Up + Oomph + Fully Charged Critical Hit F-Smash = *116.1%* Instant K.O. at 0%

  • @highcausejordan3962
    @highcausejordan3962 Před 5 lety +2253

    I remember when we made memes about clouds up air that looked like magic bursts actual hitbox

  • @alula563
    @alula563 Před 5 lety +1357

    Kamikazee and Magic Burst hitboxes tho, "That's quite big. Impressive."

    • @nousername191
      @nousername191 Před 5 lety +29

      I feel like Magic burst needs a nerf. Maybe you can't recover any MP for maybe 10 seconds after? More often than not, people use Magic burst, get a stock and have enough magic to get by in no time thanks to a hit or two.

    • @raphealrah
      @raphealrah Před 5 lety +12

      It really does tho it covers every ledge option

    • @marche800
      @marche800 Před 5 lety +37

      @@nousername191 I mean hero without any MP is pretty helpless and you get invincibility after losing a stock, it's not too hard to punish him or just straight up kill him afterwards, especially since he needs MP for recouvery.

    • @punani_slayer4209
      @punani_slayer4209 Před 5 lety +21

      @@marche800 yeah people just love to complain. Most of the good characters in this game have like 1 or 2 broken moves that are pretty hard to deal with. People just gotta deal with it

    • @Wizard_Lizard_
      @Wizard_Lizard_ Před 5 lety +19

      @@joshybrb6251
      Hatchetman Hitbox
      "That's kinda small... Yikes."

  • @nautilus2342
    @nautilus2342 Před 5 lety +759

    Shame we couldn't see snooze's hitbox. It seems like it's way bigger than the actual animation and always catches people trying to jump over it.

    • @tenacity25
      @tenacity25 Před 5 lety +46

      tbh to me it seems a bit like it's a somewhat square-y shape rather than a circle, due to how it seems to catch people. I may be wrong though.

    • @JUMO715
      @JUMO715 Před 5 lety +67

      It gets bigger the further it travels

    • @justjoking5252
      @justjoking5252 Před 5 lety +18

      It always gets you when you just so happen to try and go to ledge. So both you and your opponent get to watch you plummet like an idiot.

    • @juicecakes2458
      @juicecakes2458 Před 5 lety +7

      It's 200x bigger than jigglypuffs rest

    • @jovannydiazabad6123
      @jovannydiazabad6123 Před 5 lety +2

      @@juicecakes2458 and 200x broken

  • @practicallynoobish8693
    @practicallynoobish8693 Před 4 lety +66

    13:08 Fun Fact: Hachet Man is actually an Ability, a different attack from Spells in the DQ games. What is even funnier is that Hachet Man can only be used by people wielding axes.

    • @sonicthehedge
      @sonicthehedge Před 3 lety +9

      Also Flame Slash is an ability
      Lol most of the spells used by hero can't even be used by dq 11 hero aka luminary can't use.
      Magic burst is normally restricted to the female mage aka Veronica (Serena for some time) or Jessica
      Kamikaze while it is used by DQ 8 hero, the luminary does not have the spell.
      Luminary never learns Kaboom but he does learn the weaker variants bang/boom (also DQ 8 hero never learns any boom spells)
      Same with Frizz line of spells, luminary only learns the weaker variants but never Kafrizz.
      He also never learns woosh nor whack line of spells or any of the buffs like oomph or bounce. Psyche up however is a game mechanic only in DQ 8 although a different yet somewhat similar mechanic exists in DQ 11 called pep-up. Also Psyche up on DQ 8 also increases the power of spells.
      Lastily Hocus Pocus isn't even a spell lol, Hocus Pocus in DQ 11 is just random poses on the camera mode.
      (I don't remember about Sizz/Sizzle, but i think the luminary can only use the weaker variants aka sizz but never sizzle.)
      The only ones that are accurate to what the luminary uses is Flame Slash, entire Zap line of spells, Snooze, Kaclang, Metal Slash, Heal and Zoom.
      Kacrackle slash is actually a unique spell from smash.
      Most of the spells hero uses in smash can't even be used by him on the original game, talk about representation xD

    • @adob0_90
      @adob0_90 Před 2 lety +7

      it's kinda like how mario can use fireballs without the fire flower powerup in super smash bros, they do that so they can represent the series more, which is why they allowed hero to use some spells and abilities he otherwises wouldn't be able to use

    • @Tonberry13
      @Tonberry13 Před 2 lety +4

      @@sonicthehedge I know this is VERY late, and you probably don’t care anymore, but the Luminary from DQ11 *can* learn Kafrizz and Kasizz. However, Kafrizzle and Kasizzle, the strongest variants, are exclusive to Veronica.

  • @8-bitanimates989
    @8-bitanimates989 Před 5 lety +77

    4:25
    Ness : Its big brain time

    • @InfinityHS
      @InfinityHS Před 3 lety +4

      Yooo 😂😂😂 Magic cancelling with Hero turns him into a different breed

  • @anyapeanutlover
    @anyapeanutlover Před 4 lety +42

    "[Magic burst] actually hard to avoid"
    Bowser: How cute.

  • @Geneolgia
    @Geneolgia Před 5 lety +316

    Crackacle and Flame Slash aren't that bad when you consider the particle effects match the hitboxes.

    • @garytina7009
      @garytina7009 Před 5 lety +28

      Unlike Ridley F Smash and Samus F Smash. I play those two so it's pretty annoying.

    • @izzzyishere8053
      @izzzyishere8053 Před 4 lety

      Lol

    • @aquaphoenix-mt2iv
      @aquaphoenix-mt2iv Před 4 lety

      I was gonna say this

    • @synysterdawn8913
      @synysterdawn8913 Před 4 lety +7

      That's the thing with big hitboxes: as long as the they match the visuals then they're mostly fine, still need to balance for things like frame data and knockback but there's more leeway there depending on the character's overall kit and other characteristics. But the hitbox should ALWAYS match the visuals and the visuals should ALWAYS match the hitbox. It's just frustrating and comes off as incompetence on the part of the developers when nothing actually visually connects, but the hitbox is just so big that someone is sent flying anyway (basically all the "fighting game character" movesets summarized). And on the flipside, when moves whiff despite there having been clear physical contact between both characters, with things like characters falling out of Falco's Usmash or Link's Ftilt not having a hitbox on half the sword during the first few frames of the attack - no seriously, the hitbox just stops right above the hilt as Link is swinging the sword overhead, and then the hitbox properly covers the sword as he finishes the move, meaning it'll just whiff on characters in the air or behind Link.
      That's why it was always stupid when people complained about Cloud's hitboxes in Smash 4. The character was definitely overtuned, but his hitboxes weren't the problem seeing as how they perfectly matched the sword excluding Bair - but most Bairs have exaggerated or lingering hitboxes anyway.

    • @Geneolgia
      @Geneolgia Před 4 lety +2

      @@synysterdawn8913 i agree, i hate that Cloud's nair hitbox doesn't cover the whole sword like with every other character, and i'm not talking about his new tweaked animation were he doesn't extend his arm, that was an understandable nerf, but the attack went from amazing to mediocre because of the faulty hitbox

  • @peppinoandweskerfriendsfor3450

    “I paid for this character, he better be busted”
    ~ Alpharad
    Edit: I love it when pretty stinky flame wars start in comments I made a year ago
    Edit 2: It just keeps going, all you can do now is add in more fuel
    Edit 3: Internet flame wars are beautiful. Two idiots start having an argument that literally makes no sense, take a time out, and then have an open mouth kiss. I think I stole that from a Nakey Jakey video but I don’t know where it came from or the exact quote, but it’s really good.

    • @markedeagle2357
      @markedeagle2357 Před 5 lety +6

      Heh

    • @jjs32stepstoenlightenment37
      @jjs32stepstoenlightenment37 Před 5 lety +52

      I’m starting to hate his predictions

    • @stevethebarbarian9876
      @stevethebarbarian9876 Před 5 lety +18

      You don't need a complicated prediction. Each DLC character is almost always stronger than the last.

    • @gaymer2574
      @gaymer2574 Před 5 lety +53

      @@stevethebarbarian9876
      Banjo: *Jab causes banjo to perform Hero's Kamikazee*

    • @techno--
      @techno-- Před 5 lety +13

      @@stevethebarbarian9876 joker is better than hero tho.

  • @TemporalShrew
    @TemporalShrew Před 5 lety +232

    It's impressive that Kacrackle Slash and Flame Slash are still almost useless anywhere but the ledge, considering how unbelievably massive they are. Such are the few mercies of Command Select.

    • @marche800
      @marche800 Před 5 lety +32

      They aren't useless if you're fast, you just have to be fast.

    • @JUMO715
      @JUMO715 Před 5 lety +23

      just top-deck the move

    • @pierreaoun9600
      @pierreaoun9600 Před 5 lety +47

      Julius Moran I love that people are calling it top-decking. It’s beyond accurate.

    • @gamingoverlord8854
      @gamingoverlord8854 Před 5 lety +15

      It's honestly impressive how bad Hero is anywhere except in the lower tiers of Smash. He has a terrible disadvantaged state, his recovery is one of the most spike able in the game. His combo game might as well be non=existant, the time it takes to start his moves and also his ending lag is huge. The only time he gets to charge his fireball is in an advantaged state (he doesn't get to store any charge unless he completely charges it). His redeeming factors are when he is able to smash attack you at low percents, assuming you get a crit, getting lucky with down b at the ledge, or having a fireball at the ledge.
      All of Hero's disadvantages are massive and consistent, while all of his advantages are luck-based and even more massive. The hero is B tier normally, and S tier if you have a lot of luck with crits, and down b which I almost never use due to the insane likely-hood of me getting something bad/garbage for the situation, its almost always better to guard/attack without your down b because its so bad.

    • @Blaze-nm1uh
      @Blaze-nm1uh Před 5 lety +20

      OnlyLFeris Haddock that’s not low tier dude, B is mid tier.

  • @PocketHealer21
    @PocketHealer21 Před 5 lety +325

    A visualization of Wii Fit's hitboxes would be awesome.
    *cough cough Invy. Do it for our lovely*

    • @Zapdos_777
      @Zapdos_777 Před 5 lety +24

      And the title should be explaining wii fit’s wacky hit boxes

    • @Ephlaght
      @Ephlaght Před 5 lety +29

      ass hitbox
      ass hitbox

    • @PocketHealer21
      @PocketHealer21 Před 5 lety +23

      @@Ephlaght Did you know that Wii Fit also has a crotch hitbox on her forward air?

    • @Ephlaght
      @Ephlaght Před 5 lety +9

      Pocket Healer
      Amazing
      Edit: wtf my message was changed.

    • @rpgrunaway8321
      @rpgrunaway8321 Před 5 lety

      Can't visualize what doesn't exist

  • @Stardust_TF2
    @Stardust_TF2 Před 5 lety +102

    Hero’s up air: “who needs swords with legs like these”

  • @Dr.D.R.
    @Dr.D.R. Před 5 lety +304

    Dlc characters just have huge hitboxes because the designers wanna go home already😂

    • @veia5985
      @veia5985 Před 5 lety +17

      This comment is really ironic considering Nintendo is known for being loose on its employees hours.

    • @mintyfresh122
      @mintyfresh122 Před 5 lety +3

      @@veia5985 but what about sakurai

    • @rayminishi689
      @rayminishi689 Před 5 lety +18

      @@veia5985 Pretty sure, Nintendo as part of the Japanese society. Crunches all the time without complaints like the West does.

    • @MarkonowherE
      @MarkonowherE Před 5 lety +2

      some people call this "pay to win"

    • @macenanoro826
      @macenanoro826 Před 4 lety +3

      Marcopolo Manjarrez Term works in most cases... I would say "Bang for the buck" is more applicable in this case. A potentially higher SKILL CAP is a theoretical difference (Sm4sh Bayos had to know their shit to make her busted in application)

  • @ideallyinvy
    @ideallyinvy Před 5 lety +450

    Btw crit smashes actually cut base knockback roughly in half to compensate for the double damage (with the exception of up smash for some reason)

    • @Rekzius
      @Rekzius  Před 5 lety +140

      I see, that does make sense. The math didn't really add up when I thought about it afterwards. Guess I'll mend that when I talk about command select later.

    • @dylanlee45alien
      @dylanlee45alien Před 5 lety +43

      invy so that’s why Luigi died at 18%

    • @lizhard8157
      @lizhard8157 Před 5 lety

      when did you become famous? don't know if you even slightly remember who I am xd

    • @ideallyinvy
      @ideallyinvy Před 5 lety +2

      @@lizhard8157 idk about *famous*, and did we play one time or something

    • @Egghead012
      @Egghead012 Před 5 lety

      so crits make ur smash attacks useless
      Nice.

  • @StarKnight54
    @StarKnight54 Před 5 lety +148

    "Cause is ultimate and no one gets to have good grab range"
    Samus: am a a joke to you

    • @delta3244
      @delta3244 Před 5 lety +49

      That's a full on tether though. Wouldn't Luigi be a better example? Seeing how his grab's only slightly slower than normal but gets half a tether's range to compensate.

    • @jinception01
      @jinception01 Před 5 lety +8

      @@delta3244 but it has a lingering hitbox to compensate.... And also he has really strong throws to compensate.

    • @delta3244
      @delta3244 Před 5 lety +12

      @@jinception01 sorry, but what is the point you're trying to make? It flew right over my head.

    • @JagGentlemann
      @JagGentlemann Před 5 lety +3

      She is for Sakurai at least. Not only he don't fix her up smash, but he nerfs it.

    • @magmivire
      @magmivire Před 5 lety +2

      Snake says hi

  • @ahoy1014
    @ahoy1014 Před 5 lety +241

    Looking at those hitboxes, I can't help but think of Jigglypuff's Rest and cry a bit.

    • @JonahDeroy
      @JonahDeroy Před 5 lety +19

      Looking at Jigglypuff's airspeed, I can't help but look at anyone I main and cry a bit.

    • @bonniejunk
      @bonniejunk Před 5 lety +7

      @@JonahDeroy
      wario?

    • @supuraitosarvurostawkwarda6986
      @supuraitosarvurostawkwarda6986 Před 5 lety +9

      I feel your pain. Jigglypuffs rest needs like a bit more bigger to be in par with idk MAGIC BURST or KAMIKAZEE

    • @Pixelite_
      @Pixelite_ Před 5 lety +12

      Donut McDonut or maybe do what it supposed to; healing

    • @supuraitosarvurostawkwarda6986
      @supuraitosarvurostawkwarda6986 Před 5 lety +6

      Eevii very true. Since when did rest attack people?

  • @tommasorinaldi9196
    @tommasorinaldi9196 Před 5 lety +43

    Rekzious: Kamikazee is so strong, it deals 50% damage!
    Ridley's Down-B: ARE YOU CHALLENGING ME?

    • @murilocalixto6196
      @murilocalixto6196 Před 5 lety +10

      Incineroar's revenge: MWAHAHAHAHA,
      AMATEURS!!
      **shows 75% damage**

    • @raysay1818
      @raysay1818 Před 5 lety +10

      Tommaso Rinaldi yeah the difference though is that you have to sweet spot Ridley's skewer to get that 50% it's a small laggy move that requires perfect positioning to get massive damage but 0 knockback. Kamikazee does 50% and covers a quarter of the screen and does huge knockback. In a situation where you are a stock up kamikazee is not a bad option where as Ridley's skewer is almost always a bad option. So by all definitions kamikazee is stronger than skewer it just has a harsher sacrifice, an entire stock vs punishability of skewer.

    • @dmwanderer9454
      @dmwanderer9454 Před 5 lety +5

      @@raysay1818 At least Ridley can consistently use Skewer

    • @RaidikV
      @RaidikV Před 5 lety +8

      At least Ridley can survive.

    • @user-vp9ry3km2c
      @user-vp9ry3km2c Před 5 lety

      @@raysay1818 yeah and kamikaze is easly readable and cost you your entire stock

  • @JonahDeroy
    @JonahDeroy Před 5 lety +49

    QUESTION:
    What if the overlay-hitboxes are there for the Z-axis, one of the most unaddressed problems in the game?

    • @aleisshiki3649
      @aleisshiki3649 Před 4 lety

      JonahDeroy what’s that?

    • @TheSpectralForce
      @TheSpectralForce Před 4 lety

      Explain?

    • @b-mo272
      @b-mo272 Před 4 lety +5

      Smash mostly functions on the x and y axis, moving left right, up and down, but its technically a 3d game which has a z axis. and sometimes hitboxes or hurtboxes go backward into the background or forward into the foregrounx enough to dodge attacks on that axis

  • @SirWrexes
    @SirWrexes Před 5 lety +60

    Your videos are almost perfect, I just wish there was frame data somewhere in a corner for every move -- at least for whole animation length and frame window when hitboxes are active.
    Then they'd become S tier tech videos (they're already A+).

  • @Meaw523
    @Meaw523 Před 5 lety +33

    it's amazing how quickly people get hitbox data on this game! Keep up the good work

    • @gypsysprite4824
      @gypsysprite4824 Před 5 lety

      all they have to figure out how to do is actually figure out how to visualize 90% of projectile hitboxes

  • @Fastwalker22
    @Fastwalker22 Před 5 lety +63

    I would love to see yoshi's hitboxes, they seems crazy big and there's no visualization as yet on the net.

    • @Tonjit41
      @Tonjit41 Před 4 měsíci

      The hitboxes for Yoshi in general are quite large, but the thing that makes them feel kinda wonky to be hit with is how hitbox interpolation takes into account Yoshi's busted air speed. Basically hitboxes leave a smear of the previous frame and yoshi moves far between frames due to his air speed.

    • @Tonjit41
      @Tonjit41 Před 4 měsíci

      UltimateFrameData has hitboxes btw but they aren't scaled with the animations because yoshi be stretchy.

  • @BadCandyStudios
    @BadCandyStudios Před 5 lety +43

    I noticed an error in this video: Hero’s critical hits don’t solely do double damage, they also have reduced base knockback (except for Up-Smash for some reason) and have reduced shield damage.

    • @ZoofyZoof
      @ZoofyZoof Před 5 lety

      ...I've seen it do more shield damage though...

    • @slipknotfya
      @slipknotfya Před 5 lety +4

      @@ZoofyZoof if I remember correctly, if you hit the two sour spots of down smash with a crit, you break shields.

    • @KitNeedsCoffee
      @KitNeedsCoffee Před 5 lety +12

      Reduced shield damage & knockback for equal damage they means. Due to it doing more damage the multipliers still send you farther/do more shield pressure. The discussion is centred around technicalities not the actual gameplay.

    • @urielmendozahernandez2194
      @urielmendozahernandez2194 Před 5 lety +1

      Oh, that explains why I killed ZSS with an uncharged crit up smash at 30%

    • @Robbie_Haruna
      @Robbie_Haruna Před 4 lety +5

      I'm gonna assume Up Smash is the exception because it's awful when it comes to hitbox size.

  • @sunsunmoon8385
    @sunsunmoon8385 Před 3 lety +2

    “I feel this won’t be the last one of these hit boxes we’ll see”
    Proceeds to use magic bounce in background

  • @mankeyproductions9109
    @mankeyproductions9109 Před 5 lety +158

    I was hoping that Kamikazee and Magic Burst would have visuals just to show everyone how damn ridiculous they are

    • @krusher181
      @krusher181 Před 5 lety +33

      With magic burst you can clearly see the hit box though

    • @JUMO715
      @JUMO715 Před 5 lety +12

      Just be at least 50ft away when they select the command

    • @chiptuna8292
      @chiptuna8292 Před 5 lety +24

      @@JUMO715 They're both very powerful but also cost Hero a lot to actually do. Kamikaze? A stock. Magic Burst? Your entire manapool, good luck getting that back before they just yeet you off the stage with a few attacks and watch you unable to recover.

    • @PulseAnimations878
      @PulseAnimations878 Před 5 lety

      @@krusher181 nd kamikaze

    • @AarturoSc
      @AarturoSc Před 5 lety +1

      The Illustrator Magic Points*

  • @mmacola1
    @mmacola1 Před 5 lety +92

    Usually when jabs have a 180º hitboxes it can only hit people as to pull them in but not stuff like itens (so turtleshells won't come in your direction should you strike them)

    • @JonahDeroy
      @JonahDeroy Před 5 lety +6

      So do you think the overlay-hitboxes could be to differentiate for items maybe?

    • @mmacola1
      @mmacola1 Před 5 lety +8

      @@JonahDeroy yes thats exactly right

    • @bucketfullabiscuits7865
      @bucketfullabiscuits7865 Před 5 lety

      Don’t koopa shells not care about knockback angles? I think it only cares about the direction you are attacking from

  • @TheRagingK
    @TheRagingK Před 5 lety +60

    That up tilt could be an up smash it's so large.

  • @namenamename390
    @namenamename390 Před 5 lety +161

    6:49 and it even has a fair amount of active frames to *BOOT*
    HAHA, GET IT
    I'm sorry

    • @JonahDeroy
      @JonahDeroy Před 5 lety +3

      I caught it, too. Thank you.

    • @IAm-zo1bo
      @IAm-zo1bo Před 5 lety

      For some reason i saw a comment from a different video as your comment

    • @namenamename390
      @namenamename390 Před 5 lety

      @@IAm-zo1bo I had that bug too some time ago

  • @Tiftid
    @Tiftid Před 5 lety +133

    How did Mewtwo stop time at 5:20?
    Where can I learn to do that? I watched Stardust Crusaders and it hasn't helped :(

    • @CaptainCFalcon
      @CaptainCFalcon Před 5 lety +36

      Well you'll need to get a couple parts later to understand that MewTwo didn't actually *STOP* time he de[REDACTED] so, I hope that made enough sense without trying to spoil part[REDACTED]

    • @furicuri00
      @furicuri00 Před 5 lety +11

      KINGU CRIMSON

    • @NoraHyrule
      @NoraHyrule Před 5 lety +6

      @@CaptainCFalcon KING CRIMSON

    • @NoraHyrule
      @NoraHyrule Před 5 lety +3

      @ KILLER QUEEN, DAIZAN NO BAKUDAN, BITES ZA DUSTO

    • @MrAuthor3DS
      @MrAuthor3DS Před 5 lety

      Yes, it's amazing what video cropping can do these days.

  • @legojangofett1088
    @legojangofett1088 Před 5 lety +14

    Competitively the hero is a mess but casually the hero can be a lot of fun

    • @IAm-zo1bo
      @IAm-zo1bo Před 5 lety +2

      Then banning hero is a good thing right? Some people act like that will ban him from the game itself

    • @lambtoken2708
      @lambtoken2708 Před 4 lety +1

      @@IAm-zo1bo I agree, something must be done. Tho I can understand why some are weary of giving the competitive croud what they want, they can be quite the obnoxious mofos

    • @InfinityHS
      @InfinityHS Před 3 lety +1

      Hero never got banned worldwide so good. 💯

  • @josephjoestar699
    @josephjoestar699 Před 5 lety +5

    Hatchet man isn’t actually a spell, it is a ability in the dragon quest games for ax users and it doesn’t cost mana in the game

    • @GeneralShyGuy7
      @GeneralShyGuy7 Před 5 lety +1

      The first part is true, Hatchet Man is an ability. However it DOES take MP to use in most DQ games. Most abilities do. Hatchet Man doesn't cost as much as it does in Ultimate however.dragon-quest.org/wiki/Hatchet_Man

    • @josephjoestar699
      @josephjoestar699 Před 5 lety

      GeneralShyGuy7 oh I was thinking of another ability there I think (I’ve been playing dragon quest 8 a lot lately and most of yangus’s abilities kinda blended together in my mind)

  • @murilocalixto6196
    @murilocalixto6196 Před 5 lety +358

    Doctor: tell me the difference between these two options:
    A: Luck
    B: Skill
    Hero mains: they are the same.

    • @avgvstvs7
      @avgvstvs7 Před 5 lety +21

      More i practice luckier i get bro

    • @2350CST
      @2350CST Před 4 lety +8

      Corporate wants you to find the difference between these two photos.
      *Luck*
      *Skill*
      Hero: They are the same photo.

    • @YitzharVered
      @YitzharVered Před 4 lety +3

      Both Affect hit

    • @lschnitzer7770
      @lschnitzer7770 Před 4 lety

      @@YitzharVered i get it

    • @laurasullivan77
      @laurasullivan77 Před 4 lety +1

      How to butcher a meme 101

  • @zerobatsu
    @zerobatsu Před 5 lety +14

    Please leave the hit box on the screen. 60% of the video is just random gameplay.

  • @GeneralShyGuy7
    @GeneralShyGuy7 Před 5 lety +11

    Hatchet Man (Despite costing MP) isn't a spell in the DQ games, it's an ability only used by characters that wield axes (abilities and spells are separated). Why the non-axe wielding protagonists can use it is something I don't know. Out of the 4 represented I've only played the Luminary's game (XI, the one with the purple clothes, the "base" costume), and I'm like 95% sure he can't wield an axe. Flame, Kacrackle and Metal slash are also all abilities, except they make sense for a sword user.

    • @sirocco2810
      @sirocco2810 Před 5 lety +3

      It's just like Robin's nosferatu, he can't use it in his game with his class but they gave it to him in smash because it's iconic in some way and well known by the playerbase.

    • @GeneralShyGuy7
      @GeneralShyGuy7 Před 5 lety +2

      @@sirocco2810 But can't Robin swap classes to use Nosferstu? Also, Hatchet Man isn't super iconic tbh. There's actually a spear version called Thunder Thrust that works the exact same way. Hatchet man is cool though, I just wish there'd be some type of axe effect or outline, because non-DQ players might be like "Why is this called Hatchet man?"
      Also if they wanted to be super faithful and iconic, they'd give hero "Buff" which ups defense, but in hindsight, thank god they didn't looking at how good Oomph and Accelerattle are.
      I thought of an even cooler one too. Falcon Slash should've totally been in this game. It's super iconic, for being a double hit sword strike and for usually being the highest DPS option. It's so iconic, that there are weapons that are called "Falcoln Blades" that automatically strike twice without needing to use Falcon Slash.

    • @GeneralShyGuy7
      @GeneralShyGuy7 Před 4 lety

      Smash 456 Falcon slash has been in like every DQ game (at least every one I’ve played). I don’t think the same can be said for sword dance (could be wrong). Falcon slash is definitely more iconic.

  • @majula2171
    @majula2171 Před 5 lety +6

    You know, maybe that Bowser could have killed you earlier if it hadn't made that move so stale even Voodoo doughnut toppings look down on it

  • @isaiahvelasquez4284
    @isaiahvelasquez4284 Před 5 lety +6

    I can't believe they gave Ivysaur Dair hitbox to another character with Kamikaze

  • @Eragonnogare
    @Eragonnogare Před 5 lety +7

    I would love to see the hitboxes of rob! I really hope they made neutral b in a way that the hitbox could be visualized since I have people go through the full charge version super often. I would also especially love to see how in the world gyro's hitboxes work while spinning on the ground, and if possible where in the world the reflector is on side b since it seems less consistent then getting a crit with Hero.

  • @rsdragonaxe3133
    @rsdragonaxe3133 Před 5 lety +13

    We need marth’s hitboxes visualized

  • @DancesWithSloth
    @DancesWithSloth Před 5 lety +6

    "This is Ultimate and nobody gets to have good grab range"
    *Laughs in Samus*

    • @mathunit1
      @mathunit1 Před 4 lety +3

      Samus is bad though, her laggy but long grab range is one of the few things about her that's not garbage about her. :P

    • @leobardosantano8813
      @leobardosantano8813 Před 2 lety

      Linguine

  • @arhardar6873
    @arhardar6873 Před 5 lety +19

    Thanks for the video and this may be obscure but can you do Mii Gunner's hitboxes please?

  • @JediJess1
    @JediJess1 Před 5 lety +4

    I believe Kazap would also have a hitbox on the lightning bolt itself as it comes down during the first few frames, but seeing as there was no mention of it, I'm guessing it is a particle instead of a model.

    • @eyeris4050
      @eyeris4050 Před 5 lety +1

      It does have a hitbox

    • @royalrick1
      @royalrick1 Před 5 lety +1

      The bolt that comes down is even reflect-able, like Pikachu/Pichu's down-B

  • @bowserwithpants9764
    @bowserwithpants9764 Před 4 lety +5

    Me: What are Hero’s hitboxes?
    Hero: Yes

  • @thecosmicleo1995
    @thecosmicleo1995 Před 5 lety +7

    Seeing Marth's hitboxes would be nice!

  • @zweihanderpancakes1855

    6:50 I can't believe how smooth this pun was, and how well it works when there isn't any attention called to it (besides a few frames of text which are easy to miss). This is what humor should look like in videos.

  • @dustdt
    @dustdt Před 5 lety +35

    Killed my friend with a crit oomph forward smash at zero

    • @dmwanderer9454
      @dmwanderer9454 Před 5 lety +4

      Crit can activate on shields, so you can one shot shields with Oomph of you get a Crit

    • @mightykid9581
      @mightykid9581 Před 5 lety +1

      @@dmwanderer9454 you do realize that crits don't do more shield damage, only more shield stun

    • @dmwanderer9454
      @dmwanderer9454 Před 5 lety +1

      @@mightykid9581 Well an Oomph Fsmash isnt enough to break a full shield in one hit, yet I did it before so I'm sure Crits do more shield damage.

    • @kirbstomp3945
      @kirbstomp3945 Před 5 lety

      @@mightykid9581 they indeed do more shield damage

    • @sidmenon
      @sidmenon Před 5 lety +3

      @@kirbstomp3945 they dont, I've tested it a bunch. Crits on shield are only more shield stun

  • @alphashadows3775
    @alphashadows3775 Před 5 lety +5

    Nice vid bro. If you have time, i want some tips on Zero Suit Samus. This figther is so fast to realy learn hitboxes.

  • @kirikomorisan
    @kirikomorisan Před 4 lety

    Great video--I'd be interested in an incineroar hitbox video! His neutral b and down tilt are such big moods.

  • @iluvchess14736
    @iluvchess14736 Před 3 lety +1

    "The world's smallest sourspot"
    "Look how cute it is"

  • @benp3948
    @benp3948 Před 5 lety +12

    5:37 is Hero in a nutshell

  • @jollygator9080
    @jollygator9080 Před 5 lety +1

    Good analysis! I think his uncharged side special has a different hitbox even when hero has no MP

  • @MelvinStFleur
    @MelvinStFleur Před 5 lety +4

    6:48-6:52 "to boot" when talking about U-air, nice pun

  • @TobySullivan
    @TobySullivan Před 4 lety +2

    4:24 thats a bruh moment right there :)

  • @ethan0248910
    @ethan0248910 Před 4 lety

    Great video! I would love 2 see one about Marth since I always end up hitting the sour spot of up smash. I remember that move would always kill like at 120% because it would drag them into the stronger attack in Wii U, now it just launches them away

  • @arielglr7177
    @arielglr7177 Před 5 lety +14

    in spanish kaclang is "metalizacion" and Oomph is "mentalizacion"
    btw can we get a Wario hitbox analisis?

    • @Benado
      @Benado Před 5 lety +5

      As a native Spanish speaker myself, I can confirm that even I go through this hell when playing as Hero in Spanish.

    • @arielglr7177
      @arielglr7177 Před 5 lety +5

      @@Benado elige rápido max.jpg

  • @Dynashu
    @Dynashu Před 5 lety

    I honestly was waiting for this

  • @skibro8364
    @skibro8364 Před 5 lety +1

    Good on you for covering Hero.

  • @tomskeleton
    @tomskeleton Před 5 lety +12

    5:20
    Anyone else notice the weird visuals around here?

  • @Jan-ue5fk
    @Jan-ue5fk Před 3 lety +1

    “It’s ultimate and no one gets to have a good grab range”
    Min-Min: hold my ramen

  • @emulationemperor8924
    @emulationemperor8924 Před 5 lety +2

    While I love hitbox discussions, it aggravates me that almost every time you talk about a particular move, the gameplay that is spliced in doesn't have that move being shown off. It's not just this video when you talked about crackle slash, flame slash, kamikaze, and magic burst. But in the Dedede video as well. It's just a touch I think you could add to those videos to really bolster their appeal

    • @33link333
      @33link333 Před 3 lety

      For moves like those where a large part of the hitbox is visualized with particles it would also really help, magic burst for one looks more reasonable when you can actually see the burst.

  • @TaelAlchemist
    @TaelAlchemist Před 5 lety +2

    Could you do Captain Falcon next time? That would be really helpful to me! Thanks and keep up the good work

  • @angrypepe7615
    @angrypepe7615 Před 5 lety +4

    he might have some good hitboxes but he can't follow up on landing them considering it takes a millennia for the moves to end

  • @mozzfio
    @mozzfio Před 4 lety +1

    Kakrackle Slash: hm, yes, the air here is made out of sword

  • @FicherWolf
    @FicherWolf Před 5 lety +2

    Good vid, how about incineroars hitboxs next. Many people still don't get darkest lariants hitboxs.

  • @DittoTransform
    @DittoTransform Před 5 lety +4

    humble request for Bowser hitboxes since you spent most of the video fighting him :)

  • @MigMusic
    @MigMusic Před 4 lety

    7:34 Did I get it wrong or did he say that Hero's Nair is better than Ike's Nair? I personally think Ike's nair it's one of the BEST in the game... and Cloud's Nair one of the worst (I'm not totally fluent in english)

  • @Bacchus325
    @Bacchus325 Před 5 lety +3

    I'd love to see a R.O.B. video soon:-)

  • @sarasaland4709
    @sarasaland4709 Před 4 lety +1

    I see you’re a man of true taste since you use the Dragon Quest 4 Hero (Solo).

  • @bredfigure2902
    @bredfigure2902 Před 5 lety

    Wow this is really intresting, great job. Could you do Shulk next time please?

  • @arthur1zero1
    @arthur1zero1 Před 5 lety +3

    nice alliteration

  • @bbabamzel8238
    @bbabamzel8238 Před 4 lety +1

    "In a lot of cases with down smash hitboxes, the designers tend to place a hitbox or two close to the body of the character to make sure it does not whiff up close"
    Bowser Jr: "Am I a joke to you?"
    Do jr next!

  • @seansean792
    @seansean792 Před 4 lety

    4:02 hey I just noticed the multiple fireballs there! Neat! Looks just like frizzle!

  • @Yunobolt
    @Yunobolt Před 5 lety +7

    I would like to see the meganerfed Bayo hitboxes.

    • @ednamode9048
      @ednamode9048 Před 5 lety

      Dee EX They’re bad trust me, for example, upb literally doesn’t hit people behind her, no matter how close they are

    • @Yunobolt
      @Yunobolt Před 5 lety

      :c

  • @summermermaidstar756
    @summermermaidstar756 Před 5 lety +1

    Magic Burst: It doesnt kill you but it turns you from a magic wielding swordfighter, into a swordfighter (that can crit and has insane hitboxes) for a short time

    • @michaelbesser5348
      @michaelbesser5348 Před 3 lety

      Feel like this is underselling how bad it is to run out of MP as Hero. There's not a whole lot that Hero can do without MP. His only real out of shield option is Woosh, but that takes MP. His recovery options (Woosh, Swoosh, Kaswoosh, Zoom) all take MP. Without MP, this means he also fails at being the zoner he usually is. No Zap, no Frizz, no, well, anything other than Hero's pretty bad normals. It's like playing as Robin with all of his tomes broken at the same time.

  • @ZackBogucki
    @ZackBogucki Před 5 lety

    6:50 "...and [u-air] even has a fair amount of active frames to *boot*"
    I'm onto you.

  • @Vivincubus
    @Vivincubus Před 5 lety

    Greninja has some interesting things with his counter, if you counter a projectile but the character to who it belongs is too far away to hit greninja just kinda rises a bit into the air, but that's only the horizontal variant, since you can actually counter from above or below your startig point too, depending on the control stick input

  • @derbear3403
    @derbear3403 Před 5 lety +1

    I hope to see a video where we get to see some of Sonic's hitboxes.

  • @asteroidxarmageddon2354
    @asteroidxarmageddon2354 Před 4 lety +1

    4:06 Now I see why Hero's U-Tilt is so good.

  • @chkmte1304
    @chkmte1304 Před 5 lety +1

    I would love to see a vid on Greninja's hitboxes. There are so many times Fair and Fsmash miss for no good reason

  • @youraveragefirefox
    @youraveragefirefox Před 2 lety

    “I doubt you’ll hit it outside of a shield break” Hero: hold my mana

  • @legendhero-eu1lc
    @legendhero-eu1lc Před 4 lety

    Thank you for the video! All of you friends are super awesome! Oh, moments in this video are sad.

  • @lage1810
    @lage1810 Před 5 lety +2

    The only hit box we care about is jokers counter lol

  • @x-3688
    @x-3688 Před 5 lety

    I was spectating a battle with someone playing Hero while watching this, and a bit before you said that "what I am way less OK with, however is the fact that this move can randomly kill me at 40!" the person playing Hero got a crit. (lol)

  • @Triforce_of_Doom
    @Triforce_of_Doom Před 4 lety

    had to look up what Sakurai Angle meant since that was a term I hadn't heard before. Pretty funny how it got the name. I knew Kamikazee was huge & the elemental slashes were a little bullshit but christ. Any idea when the command menu vid might be made?

  • @starplatinic1710
    @starplatinic1710 Před 5 lety +7

    Zelda's hitboxes can be 'whack', why not her next?

  • @arbinex4227
    @arbinex4227 Před 5 lety

    Yoshi's down air I'm certain has a sakurai angle or two on the soles of his boots and then of course his down b has huge range on the ground. I'd love to see a vid detailing his hitboxes

  • @Quote321
    @Quote321 Před 5 lety +1

    I was kinda hoping to see Thwack's Hitbox. I've seen some really sketchy hits from that and wanted to see how bit it really was.

  • @MaxxusDrago
    @MaxxusDrago Před 5 lety

    Could you do a video on Joker's hit boxes? I wanna see how well (or how bad) his range is so I can better defeat my oponent!

  • @lordnul1708
    @lordnul1708 Před 4 lety

    I have reason to think this needs an up to date version, because his hitboxes feel like they got quite a bit...smaller since then.

  • @mikasa7144
    @mikasa7144 Před 5 lety +1

    Jigglypuff's hitboxes would be great to see. No one has done it for ultimate yet to my knowledge

  • @No-Me3
    @No-Me3 Před 4 lety

    And then we see that snooze's hitbox is the entire map.

  • @bobertjohnson4459
    @bobertjohnson4459 Před 4 lety

    5:09 “and I have a feeling this is not the last we’ll see of these hitboxes.”
    *Magic Burst onscreen*

  • @dominictrujillo568
    @dominictrujillo568 Před 4 lety

    What are the sakurai angles that are mentioned when talking about tilts and his back air I think

  • @GlitchxPeridot
    @GlitchxPeridot Před 4 lety

    10:10 "I'd say that hitbox is pretty straight-forward"
    AYYYYYYYYYY

  • @iversonsilva793
    @iversonsilva793 Před 5 lety +1

    could you cover marth? his tipper seems to not connect when it should sometimes

  • @annoy4nce648
    @annoy4nce648 Před 4 lety

    these hitboxes feel like hero hitboxes. Completely random and incomprehensible, yet strangely hilarious

  • @LawclipsFGC
    @LawclipsFGC Před 5 lety +2

    I kind of want to see how bad marth tipper hit box is in ult

  • @KazeMemaryu
    @KazeMemaryu Před 5 lety

    Is it possible to get data on the hitboxes of Ultra Smashes? Because if I remember correctly, those haven'tbeen shown so far, right? I know they're irrelevant for competitive balancing, but still, some of them seem to have excesssively more of a hitbox than the visuals indicate.

  • @Kkiare
    @Kkiare Před 5 lety +3

    bigger than ivysaur dair

  • @marche800
    @marche800 Před 5 lety +6

    Just remember Sakurai doesn't want you to avoid Kamikaze.

  • @Rhy2412TitanGamer
    @Rhy2412TitanGamer Před 5 lety +1

    I would like to see visualization of Lucas's hitboxes.

  • @angrypepe7615
    @angrypepe7615 Před 5 lety

    can you do ganondorf at some point? I need to know just how big the doriyah is my current assumption is the size of great cave offensive but i need to know for a fact how large it is