Jet Gliders seen in New Mexico!
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- čas přidán 29. 08. 2024
- Gliders / Sailplanes equipped with Jet engines were born in New Mexico, we have a few interesting ones around this bustling glider community.
Two organizations man the field
www.merlinavia... Ask for Whitney the owner!
abqsoaring.org ask for anyone, very convivial club.
Technically, it's a self-launching sailplane. For all the naysayers, there is nothing in the world like soaring. Catch a thermal at 800' AGL and ride it to 14,000 feet, then glide at 120 kts at 40:1 until you find the next one. Or run a ridge in Tennessee and fly 200 ft off the trees for 20 miles. I used to fly a Nimbus (unlimited class) in Florida and once had to dead stick from 5000 ft. 35 miles to my home airport. I got there with 900 ft altitude. Almost nothing in life is more exhilarating than soaring.
Great description
Over here in Germany, where it was invented (by Lilienthal, if one wants, before the Wrights) and where it grew to a grass root sports during the wars on the Wasserkuppe (we simply weren't allowed to build powered aircrafts), we have a huge club scene, which makes it affordable to everyone, even kids. Almost every city has its own gliding club and most of the gliders in the world are still developed and built here, despite high labour expenses.
I loved the sport, but Germans are Germans and they are bureaucrats and nitpickers. Clublife also isn't easy, because there are always one or two oldies in every club, who ruin everybodies' day. This makes the greatest experience of freedom (gliding) to a hell of a prison on the ground, because there is not just the Luftamt but a lot of paperwork and also the club work. Therefor I gave up.
But noone, who does not share the experience of fighting with a thermal and hearing the vario twitter, might understand the magic and fascination. There is no Lycoming and propeller noise and even the raptors have accepted us as their buddies, flying close to us. Over here they show thermals to us and vice versa. They have adapted, because there are so many gliders over here.
To this day I repent having quit.
one of the best if you have the fly bug❤
The rocket plane has a slow climb rate
Thank you ...
I was a member of ASC back when I was in High School in the late '70's. The Late Great Al Santilli was one of my instructors. My whole family was soaring for a couple of years, 2-33, Twin Grob, 1-26 & 1-34, almost completed my Silver C, landed out on my cross country attempt then summer was over and I was off to college... I too remember the thrill of flying into 1000+ lift at pattern entry altitude and thermaling up to 14,000' cloud base... I really loved the squeal of the audio varios...
Very cool! Al Santilli was my examiner for my glider rating, he showed me his sign off by one of the Wright brothers :)
Al Santilli signed me off for winch launching! What a guy!
One time on my birthday I went out to Lake Pleasant with a friend of mine. I was recovering from a gnarly pre-birthday hangover. We decided to go for glider rides as a spur of the moment fun thing to do. It was really fun until he started doing the spins and the loops and the high G turns. We landed and I had never puked so hard in my life. It took me hours to feel normal just so I could drive home. So word of advice, don't get in a glider with a bad hangover......
Cool anecdote
I've flown into that airport. I bought a 182 in Phoenix. After I dropped off a friend in Albuquerque, I headed east. The weather got bad at Cline's Corner and I started picking up ice. I went back to Moriarty and waited. Later that day, I took another shot but again started picking up ice. Back to Moriarty. The next day the weather was better and I headed out on my way.
Icing is not that common here
smart move
Such a glider could cross the entire country.
It would take a week
No, because to less fuel...
Because this plane is a turbojet powered wouldnt you technically need a type raiting to fly it?
it doesn't have enough horsepower.
a letter of authorization I believe.
I want I want want this setup!!!
This glider is experimental, so doesn't have a type certificate. Therefore a type rating isn't possible. The FAA did require an 'authorization in lieu of type rating'. However, after years of fighting the FAA, they relented and now most turbine powered motorgliders no longer need any special authorization. Also, pending regulations will allow turbine engines in light sport aircraft.
A small jet engine makes a lot of sense for a motorglider, where weight and engine volume are at a premium and the relative inefficiency of a jet engine is much less important than a simple lightweight and low volume engine to loft a glider into the air. It'd be great if a jet engine could be integrated into the glider's tail with the intake in the nose, so it doesn't create drag. It'd also be great to have the ability to use the jet later in flight if needed.
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But the drag is only at "take off", so while gliding - no extra drag.
The biplane is a Marquart Charger.
I had never heard of it.
It looks like a Buecker 131 Jungmann with a Lycoming engine !!
@@susannedohmann797 That's what I thought - that or a Stampe retro-fitted with a Lycoming.
We all wondered about the intriguing twin-jet glider design on the vid cover graphic only to find that only more conventional designs were included. All interesting footage here; but you need to have the cover graphic somewhat match the content even though the current one mey be more compelling in nature. Back to another edit. Thats sort of the way this all works. 😊
I guess it worked then :)
I love it ❤it’s the coolest motorcycle ever 😊 they need a ground based launch system. Once airborne the jets can handle the cilimb ❤
I love it!
1970 the first Glider with Jet , came to Chile, where we fly from Santiago to Arica, in search of a Glinding Path in Los Andes, Glider Caproni developed class A-21 sailplane, which featured a relatively large side-by-side cockpit, and also a self-launch model, the A-21J, with a small jet engine for launch and cruise.s,
Gliders? How quaint; I believe the rest of the world calls them sailplanes. Gliders are WWII death traps that can only go from high altitude to low, while sailplanes can go from a low altitude to incredibly high altitudes.
interesting definition.
@@trueairspeed130 It is true though, in Swedish "aircraft" is "flygplan", transliterated: flying-plane, while what we are talking about here is "segelflygplan", "sail-flying-plane".
Remember the folding propeller and engine nacelle retracting into the body on non-jet powered sailplanes?
that would be a stemme S10 or S12
@@trueairspeed130 I had a client that took me up in an S10, what a great plane to fly, very intuitive for a complete and utter newbie on the controls for 10min 2nd ever time with hands on controls of a plane. He had done a cost country flight in less time and fuel cost than a small car.
My CFI would rip me a new one if I taxied into a queue of gliders after landing. What if the wheel break failed?
typically don't land with engines on. They are typically retracted by then, and you land as a normal glider.
@@trueairspeed130 my pure glider weighs nearly three quarters of a ton with two pilots. Do you really think that there is no inertia?
That. Is an Asw 27 which has been flying in the US for years. Those better informed will know that Jonker Sailplanes have jets for many years.
true, this one is interesting inasmuch as the configuration of 2 small jet engines, as opposed to one large one.
Those really well informed and less pedantic know that New Mexico is the 47th US state
it can have a water filled stabilizer tube to even out weight distribution dynamically
Nope, not the jet ASW-27 with that fuselage and canopy. That is a DG, I think a DG-800 (N number is 800UM...).
Please quit using those crappy AI generated pictures for thumbnails.
You have nice content, you don't need those pretend sensations.
Thanks for the feedback
Awesome! Whats the Glide Ratio penalty with those jets on the airframe? Is it significant?
They are retractable
So now it's not a glider anymore technically it's a fighter jet🤣
Indeed
@@trueairspeed130 or a frighter-jet! 🙂
Electric self launch is the future, and it's about time. Even with today's batteries already perfectly working, and it will get better and cheaper very soon.
So these perfect batteries going on fire occasionally is a design feature? That’s very cleaver
I agree.
@@trueairspeed130 me too!!
really😂
The problem with batteries is they are too heavy. You would have to design an entire new sailplane from scratch to keep the batteries at the correct CG. To go faster, sailplanes carry water in bladders in the leading edge of the wings, but dump it before landing.. If you put the batteries in the wings, It would take 4 people to put the wings on, and the landing speeds would be excessive.
Would it be some benefit of saving starting fuel to have a ground tow truck (with good brakes for the end of the runway), to start the jet glider, like a sling shot, getting it airborne to say 100 mph, saving some initial fuel burn.
It’s called a winch tow or a vehicle tow
The jet glider is CarolAnn Garratt.
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Specs? Maximum altitude and Mach number with Oxygen for pilot? Otherwise why bother? Conventional self powered makes so much more sense.
Brilliant and beautiful.
Thank you! Cheers!
Jet powered glider...do you need a multi-engine rating?
Glider is a category with no sub classes, in this particular case I think they just get an LOA
The jets are not "engines" for a glider, they are an optional launch assistance appliance, they could just as well aerotow or auto/winch launch to get into the air...
Trainer is Great Lakes 2T? It was only a matter of time for jets to catch up with gliders. Wonder if they leave any fuel in reserve before landing just in case.
they don't need, but that makes me wonder if they can air start.
Flown here many times! Solo tee shirt is on the hanger wall!
Good times obviously
Interesting for sure. To much with the back and forth views. My opinion of course. Thank's for posting.
You bet
How much does it cost to get towed?
Not sure these days $35-75 depending on how high?
At what altitude and speed does the left wing stop dragging on the ground? 🤪
10-15 knots
Depends on the wind-speed!
Right On
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We were waiting for RIDE OF THE VALKYRIE by Wagner ???
"Gliders with jets".. You mean "Jets". Its called a jet.
Still a registered glider
Thumbnail made it look like civilian version of project Aurora !
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Gliders with aux jets to launch with are nothing new. Uncommon, it's more common to use a piston engine, but not RARE.
Well Bob is was not the first but definitely one of the first
For us it’s new by us I am saying I can see home in few shots I never saw a jet powered glider even to this day …. If we get technical no ones ever seen one
@@dominicgarcia85 They are even in "sub 115kg" category :)
czcams.com/video/zEgWMkZ-6JE/video.html
Caproni's concept of the 70's . A Calif jet powered glider with integrated engine.
Shame no sound
czcams.com/video/9yuZ3UBuNoQ/video.html sound on (4:20)
Flying a Calif is really an expierience ! Doesn´t feels like a glider with the big Helicopter stick, and bumpy thermals ? Not existing in this one, too heavy ! Landing configuration set, nose down in an breathtaking angel with stable 100Km/h , save and smooth landing on the double wheels, and than look in the face of your passenger! Hilarius !!! I am still smiling ...
900% increase in crashing anytime you put a motor On a glider.... #1 you're attempted to fly in bad conditions #2 it attracts the type of local who really is not a very good pilot...
not sure that verifies in the stats.
4:24 oh, a PZL PW5 world class glider..
cool
Climb and glide
100%
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In my country, well actually basically on my home airport, we had better one :D PBS (a company based near my home airport) made new small jet engine (TJ100) and they needed to test it, so they modified glider L-13 Blanik to acomodate this engine, hard mounted to the fuselage, and this plane became known as L-13TJ and it was a beast :D that engine is powerfull and it gives the plane about 1:3 TWR in normal operating weights and it goes. Take-off in about 100 meters, and it can basicalli go straight up like on the winch launch :D there is a video :D czcams.com/video/CsENCX6HKPI/video.html
thanks for the information.
glider ni di sayap kena pasang roda kecik sebab wing tak setabil
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Crazy!!!
indeed
why no one does a 1 to 1 power to weight on a glider? it is law limitations or what? its not that dificult to do that, just expensive... 500kg glider, 70kg pilot, 150kg engine, 200kg glider, and 80kg fuel... 20 min of pure fun hhaahaha i dont know the size of a engine to have 5.000kn, but even 2 for 1 in power to weight would be insane in a glider... this glider on the video maybe have 400kg and 50kg of thrust and can go 200kmh
That would be interesting to see
The world's first VTOL motor glider. Someone will make that, just because they can. 🙂
Rocket vertically to 10,000 AGL and then glide back.
Engine quits its a glider
aren't they all, if the engine quits :)
Aviation on steroids!
Click bait-ish
Of course
How, we saw exactly what was advertised?
😎😃😄😅
Great for the cartels