Which mainline Shin Megami Tensei Protagonist Suffered the Most?
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- Shin Megami Tensei, in other words, ruined my life, sometimes I imagine I'm a Demon Summoner with the power to change the world, but I can't be a full Demon Summoner if I don't have the most tragic personality seen in a person.
Come with me, let's find out which mainline SMT protagonist had the worst and most tragic life ever written.
Huge thanks to @BuffMaister for his SMT's mainline footage.
Enjoy the video!
0:00 - Intro
2:50 - Nahobino (SMT V)
5:08 - Nanashi (SMT IV Apocalypse)
8:33 - Flynn (SMT IV)
11:23 - Demi-Fiend (SMT Nocturne)
14:41 - Aleph (SMT 2)
19:57 - Kazuya (SMT 1)
25:43 - Verdict
29:00 - Outro
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Good Job, this video has picked up on the YT algorithm compared to your SMT 5 one.
And all of this wouldn't be possible without you BuffMaister, thanks for your huge help 💙
@@CarlosMW The algorithm has accepted Carlos as the new Messiah of the SMT youtube communitity
@@ianleather5699 you're making me blush man 😳
Hopefully someday I'll be part of the SMT youtubers group (even though my channel is focused to cover more than just this franchise xD)
The legend himself commented
Kazuya of SMT 1 suffered the most imo. He was just a normal school kid who was caught up in the war between Law and Chaos and in the end, he lost everything and everyone he held dear to with only Yuka and Pascal/Cerberus by his side while everyone else was trying to kill him while the other protagonists (aside of Aleph's fate and the SMT V protag in the true Neutral ending) has more support.
In fact, his life could have been a little bit better if Yuka/Aoi didn't disappear after the events of the first game.
Aleph might reincarnate as a person with multiple friends & loved ones, but he still going to suffer in another way.
Nahobino was lucky enough to avoid being cursed by an omnipotent being, but he will still be a solitary guardian for the rest of the eternity...or until SMT 6 happens.
That's why I didn't give the win to Kazuya, but he still had a shitty life nevertheless...which is not something to be proud of.
Not to mention what happened to him in SMT 2.....yikes...
Aogami : young man everyone around you now is lost in this hell
They could die at any moment
Nahobino: they are so plain that I don't even care
Also for the fact that Aleph was literally MADE in a lab, then the embryo he was then implanted into a woman, then taken from the mother after birth and aged up in a vat like the OTHER FOUR. His whole life was nothing but living like a puppet for Tokyo Millennium to fulfill the role of savior.
The tragic thing with Demifiend in my opinion is that he went from an ordinary boy that visited his teacher in hospital to suddenly losing his parents, family, friends and everything he knew and loved right in front of his eyes by someone he trusted. Then he is thrusted into a harsh environment, losing his humanity in the process and left to search for his reason in this new world and his friends, his only anchor to an old world, slowly turn against him and change beyond what he knew and having to end them. I feel like he suffered a whole lot without the game spelling it out or without him being able to grieve due to survival.
Or im thinking too much about it.
Nah, thinking too much about a protagonist's life is quite common when we don't know how his/her past was, and the SMT protagonists are the perfect example of "thinking too much" haha
I was thinking about the good ending of smt 3, and It seems that demi fiend lives in a dormitory, like persona's 3 protagonist.
(I might have wrote somethings wrong)
1: Aleph
2: SMT SJR protag
3: Demi-Fiend
4: SMT I Protag
5: Nanashi
6: Flynn
7: Nahabino
Oof, I forgot SJ Hero
my B
@@CarlosMW if…
You mean If... heroine?
I'll talk about her in the Persona heroes video
@@CarlosMW Both SMT if… protagonists fill the exact same role so yeah just refer to Tamaki. I'm expecting you to cover Tadano in the SMT spin-offs video.
Sure!
I won't forget her, i promise c:
What do you mean he only killed his best friend (things I would just like to add about Flynn)? When Kiccigiori burned he lost the home where he had lived his whole life. One of the lines from the villagers implies his parents didn’t survive the attack. Not to mention the instant he is inducted into being a samurai he is not allowed to return home unless on a mission.
It seems weird stuff from the other endings aren’t covered like Flynn sacrificing himself in the law ending.
It’s also implied in the peace route Apocalypse while Flynn was captured he had his mind messed with by Krishna. Also what happens to him in anarchy is arguably as bad as what happens to Aleph you know becoming the eternal slave of a teenager. Then said teenager who enslaved him kills everyone he was trying to protect and forces him to help him do so making his sacrifice worthless and he’s just stuck unable to do anything about it. It’s pretty fucked up. Not to mention it’s literally just after he escaped Krishna’s grasp by being murdered.
This is definitely the most interesting comment I've read.
It seems I skip the fact that Flynn might have lost his family due to the demon invasion in his homeland, needless to say, the only reason why I didn't analyze every single ending of IV is that I'd have to do the same for every game, I did only talk about the Neutral ending for being the canon one (4A pretty much confirmed it).
This also applied to 4A, I talked about both endings because until this day, there isn't any confirmation and either implication of which route is the "true" one, so I talked about both endings to give Flynn and Nanashi more facts to discuss.
Maybe you're right to say that Flynn isn't the mainline SMT hero with the less miserable life, however, I think being slaved by a 15 years old kid is "better" than being petrified by the Archangels (which is also an implication made by me) or being cursed for the rest of the eternity and also skip 1/4 of your life thanks of some corrupted government.
Still, I respect your opinion about Flynn, he lost many friends and loved ones on the path to become the savior of Tokyo.
btw thanks for watching my video, and for taking the time to write such interesting comment, you made me change my mind about him 0: .
listening toki's dialogue is pure torture so nanashi clearly suffered the most
"B-b-but she's a 14 years-old kawaii tsundere girl, she's so cute that you don't understand how deep her character is 😭😭😭"
I think the SMT 1 protagonist might have it worse. If your theory is correct about The Hero being a statue, he legit cant do anything until he is destroyed or unstoned. Atleast with Aleph even though he is cursed to repeat cycles, he can still help those that need it and that is good enough for Aleph to keep going regardless of his pain. Also atleast Aleph still has his mom “try not to feel bad about it”
It's still weird seeing your mom the same age as yours lol
This is a great idea for an SMT video. KUDOS. Aleph definitely suffered the most. I feel like older SMT has so much more destruction and deeper consequence than the newer games. Though it is route dependent like Apocalypse with its anarchy route which is just plain selfish and brutal and defies the point of the whole meaning of the story as far as being with your friends go.
Noticed strange journey was vacant but you addressed that you forgot in another comment which is fine. This definitely deserves more views.
The older SMT protagonist such as Aleph, Kazuya & Nakajima from the Megami Tensei games had some of the most horrible lives seen in an RPG, that is what makes them so special, unlike Nanashi or Nahobino.
And yeah, I made the mistake of not including Space Marine & SMT Nine protagonists for not investing enough time in researching information, as I said in that comment below, I'll add them in the Spin-offs SMT heroes video.
Thank you so much man, I hope this video gets more known in the SMT community c:
this is an incredible idea for a video and i wish i was the one who thought of it (great editing by the way!!)
C'mon, don't feel bad for it :(
You can still make you own video with your opinion, not for not being the 1st video of the topic means its gonna be a bad one, if you motivate to make a video similar to this one please let me know, i'll gladly watch it.
And thank you so much, i'm happy that you enjoyed my simple editing 💙
“Attain godhood and murder EVERYTHING.” Dagda, post apocalypse.
Edit: Don’t forget to push in Stephens shit in the Diamond Realm to remind him of the pecking order.
I actually plan on making videos about the characters separately in due time, but I do think the context of suffering would bring quite a lot of different answers.
Take Flynn for example. I'd say he's a high candidate for suffering when looking at how damn near meaningless his actions are without Nanashi's involvement. Flynn choosing Law or Chaos will only repeat the cycle for him to be born again and go through it over and over again. (There's even a sidequest with Ixtab in Blasted Tokyo *offering* Flynn Paradise through death or to live through endless suffering). Even when Flynn goes Neutral he can't catch a break after the Divine Powers are involved. Anarchy route will have him killed only to be resurrected as a puppet (-ish). The best possible route for him is Bonds in that case.
Then there's the relativity of said suffering. Kazuya having his mother killed and his 2 friends turning on him, one for not joining their cause, the other practically out of jealousy, and "theoretically" petrified by the angels only to get swallowed alongside Abbadon, with another indication of his death being angles dropping a bridge on him (such a heroic way to go out, right?) on TOP of the Apocalypse DLC inferring that his reincarnation cycle was permanently cut by YHVH, I don't think many would argue him being done the most dirtiest of all the protagonists.
But the context of Aleph having all of this responsibility being placed on top of him as he goes on could render a normal person engulfed with madness. A "boy" whose engineered into being a Messiah raised as a gladiator finding out his real name from a perceived total stranger and his companion that is not Beth (Hiroko) turns out being his f*cking MOTHER, being asked by Lucifer or Satan, 2 powerful godlike beings to join their respective paths in which he has to fight God himself at the end of the day, is now left to figure out where the future of the world will go. YHVH punishing this man for basically existing with all of these chips on the table.
To keep it short (yes, all of that is the short version because I can go on), the context and the relativity of said suffering of each protagonist is what I think should also be held in high regards on this subject, but that's just my take on it. Great video though!
After reading your analysis for Flynn, Kazuya and Aleph, you SHOULD do the videos you're planning to do
Every SMT hero is interesting on his own, and the way you explain their lifes & tragedies is very catchy, if you manage to upload an Hero analysis please let me know, I would love to watch a video with a deep explanation like you gave now c:
@@CarlosMW Will do! ^_^
Me encantó desde la introducción hasta el final, es que te quedó muy bueno, excelente trabajo y estoy muy muy orgullosa y feliz de ver como has ido mejorando y creciendo, TKM💖💖💖
Muchas gracias, no sabes cuanto lo aprecio de ti
The bullets points are the best part of this video lmao, not enough people are talking about them.
Such a great idea for a video, great work.
You're the only one who mentioned the bullet points, which was the detail that took me the most to make it "funny" xD
And thanks a lot man, I appreciate it
Someone else already said it too but I'm honestly suprised CZcams recommended me this. Good shit, keep it up!
I know the feeling, I was also surprised considering my channel doesn't have enough reach haha
Thanks man, I will! 💙
This was pretty good. Keep it up
Thank you man
I will! :D
The "try not to feel too bad" line is a mistranslation by a fan lmao
Really? Then it has to be the most insensitive & funny mistranslation ever written
@@CarlosMW I think the mistranslation fits better tbh, in the official translation Chaos Hero comes off as weirdly annoyed for no real reason
I see 0:
the mistranslation made the Chaos Hero look more human, which was a detail that made me smile back then haha.
@@CarlosMW Yeah, in general it seems like most of the mistranslations for the fan translation serve to make chaos seem a bit more sympathetic and law a bit less, and some people really hate that, but personally, the official translation isn’t as natural dialogue wise, so it’s a trade off I’m willing to take
@@CarlosMW I think the fan who mistranslated it was biased against law for some reason or just didn't get the tone that was meant to be conveyed.
Poor Aleph, but at least he did see Lady Fury naked. Also, I think there is no doubt wich Persona protagonist have suffered the most
Seeing a naked demon for the price of being cursed for the rest of eternity? fuck it, where do I sign?
@@CarlosMW well, actually shin megami tensei persona 2 eternal punishment main male protagonist actually suffers too.
Love this vid mannn
Thank you so much man! 💙
I actually not sure if SMT1 hero is THAT miserable. Sure, what happened to him was tragic, but there are few comments that hinted that he's not regretted making some miserable choice like killing his friends, as Lilith commented that he would kill his friend so casually. Not only that, some games categorized him as "Dark-Neutral," making me believed that he, like Yakumo in SMT5, uphold humanity to an extreme that he would kill any otherworld beings indiscriminately without remorse. I can imagine his mother's death birth his hatred to demon and also angels and gods for their genocide, and his friends chose either sides was angered as betrayal and intensify his hatred for otherworld beings, rather than being sad that there's no other way.
That's a different take on how I saw Kazuya as a character, but I can't say you're wrong.
You reminded me that Kazuya is a secret enemy in IF... and he's also a Dark-Neutral guardian; sure, his life didn't become worst for killing Yuji or Takeshi, but everything else that he had to be through definitely sucks.
@@CarlosMW I could be wrong though since I didn't play the game yet.
@@MinhLe19303 You should give it a try man
It's not a bad game, its my favorite MegaTen unironically speaking
Watch my SMT 1 comparison video if you wanna know which version is the one I recommend 👀
Finally the SMT trauma olympics!
Hey
It's nice to see you commenting on this video...again!
Buen video! No tengo el animo últimamente para meterme de lleno a SMT, asi que estos videos son realmente geniales.
Me alegro hayas seguido subiendo videos 🐱👍
Como alguien que se está metiendo de lleno a SMT déjame decirte que por favor no lo hagas xDDD
Disfruta viendo este tipo de videos que básicamente resume la trama del juego jaja
@@CarlosMW Rayos, cuanta honestidad XD
Igual si me has motivado a retomar SMT IV en algun mementos (chale perdi el corazon)
@@mewmew000 el IV te hará recuperar el amor por la saga, es un muy buen juego
@@CarlosMW La verdad, logre avanzar una buena parte del juego. Irónicamente lo que + me gusto no fue explorar tokio, si no el soundtrack y la seccion de Naraku que debe ser el mejor tutorial de SMT XD.
Probablemente cuando termine P5R regrese 👍
@@mewmew000 el tutorial del IV es bastante brutal la verdad, creo que fue la parte donde más mori jaja
Remember suffering is measured on how it feels not what happened.
Is that so? Damn, is the video's tittle wrong then? D:
@@CarlosMW Sorry for not giving context but what I mean is. Demifiend passed through some horrible stuff but did not have time to face it and really feel it. Plus being half demon made him a certified blockhead waiting to ha the ball lifted too soon on the final battle.
@@jellyface401 he suffered a lot that's for sure, but he knew where he was getting into after Metatron, Hijiri (probably) & Mother Harlot told him about how the Kalpas makes a human lost its humanity
Flynn es el mas princeso ¡Confirmado!
Holy shit I didn't know that the ps1 version of smt 1 is coming out in the near future. Gotta replay it again when it comes out
Hopefully, more people will do the same c:
Holy fuck is richter from hotline miami series
Im your greatest fan dude
holy fuck thats Naoki alias Demi-fiend from the Shin Megami Tensei series im your decently big fan dude
I'd put Flynn high in the suffer ranking by virtue of him having his entire life and sacrifices rendered meaningless by bad writi- I mean, another protagonist's actions, but I definitely think Demi Fiend is at the bottom. That boy woke up and chose violence lol
I must confess, the only reason why Flynn is so low in this video is for how badly 4A was written, it wasn't his fault, but the game didn't make him enough justice u_u.
Yeeeep, Demi-Fiend deserves to be ranked so low for how he chose to become the strongest living being in exchange for his world.
Great video carnal, good work!
Gracias bro
Lo aprecio mucho 💙
Which mainline Shin Megami Tensei Protagonist Suffered the Most?
Me: Good luck for that
Really good video! Found out about it from the Megaten reddit!
Thank you!
The MegaTen reddit always has been so kind with me, I'm really happy for having their support
here's an idea do a list of which SMT alignment reps were the Best/Worst you could do separate vids to you could focus on one faction at a time, like one for the chaos, one for the , Law, one for neutral, than one for Misc alignments, like Nocturnes reasons, the White, Divine powers.
That is....actually an idea I've been considering since I started making SMT videos. 0:
There are many Law, Chaos, and Neutral endings which deserve more recognition (SMT 2 Chaos ending, SMT V Law ending, and many others).
Maybe in the future I could give it a try, but I still want to make this channel a videogames one, not just focusing in one franchise like I'm doing now xD
Godlike video 😎
Thanks man! 💙
Thanks Reddit notifications for letting me know another fellow chilean who likes SMT series. You deserve another sub, bro!
O como decimos por aquí, buena bro! Un placer conocer más chilensis de buen gusto. Me suscribo
Edit: basically every SMT protagonist had a tough life. I consider that something inspirational. No matter how screwed and hopeless the things appeared to be. They all kept on fighting.
I think Flynn suffered the same. He canonically lost all of his family and friends of Kiccigorgi, as well as Nahobino, he discovered through his adventure his world wasn't that real, and at any ending he lost all of his fellows but one. That sucks.
How did you find out that I'm Chileno? If I remember I didn't say something about it in the video...aside from the subtitles of course.
And yeah, having a tough life seems to be the only requirement to be a full-time SMT hero/heroine.
Y gracias wn, aprecio mucho todo el apoyo que me da gente como tu y el reddit de SMT.
@@CarlosMW Tu sección de "about" o "Acerca de" xd Me llamó la atención por el par de comentarios en español que respondiste aquí, y le eché un ojo a eso
@@del4028 puta la wea me descubrieron xD
Si, soy Chileno y tambien fan de SMT, Dios si castiga 2 veces 😭
@@CarlosMW ok but try not to feel too bad about it
Oe del me debí una Switch hace 1 año+😭😭😭😭😭
it definitely comes down to either kazuya or flynn. could lean towards flynn if you consider the white ending, where it's not too much of a stretch to say he's developed ptsd and suicidal tendencies after the shit he's seen, but probably more towards kazuya if you look at apocalypse, where flynn seems well off, instead
nahobino, nanashi and demi fiend can all achieve a world where all of their suffering is retroactively erased & none of their friends die, and aleph is a test tube baby so he didn't really have any past life or friends that he had to abandon to reach his goal so it's much more questionable for him than it is for the other protagonists if he even has feelings towards whatever is going on around him
Kazuya might be, but Flynn? he suffered basically the same as Kazuya (probably lost his parents, kill his friends, saw how his homeland was ruled by celestial rulers, etc).
Flynn at least got a happy ending if we count 4A's Freedom ending as canon, Kazuya died/was petrified by the Archangels inside a cave, and even though Aleph was an artificial human, he was brought to term and two days later was fighting against demons to survive, if that isn't a shitty life, I don't know what it could be.
@@CarlosMW that's why i took multiple endings of the IV saga into account for Flynn. since SMT II is a full on sequel to the original and not a "what if" scenario like Apocalypse, it sets Kazuya's fate in stone (no pun intended). for Flynn it just depends on which outcome you personally consider canon for him since he doesn't really reach one canonical conclusion like Kazuya did. I think their lives up to the endings of their respective games are about equal in terms of suffering otherwise though
While I'm at it I think we can agree Demifiend definitely suffers the least. dude doesn't even break a sweat about his situation hes just like "oh shit it's the apocalypse. aight i'll fix this and be home in time for dinner"
Oof, if I'd taken all the multiple endings from the mainline series into consideration this video's duration will be at least one hour in total, that's basically why I chose to pick the most canon one per game; though I still respect everyone's opinion, I've seen people in the comments saying Kazuya/Aleph/Demi-Fiend/Flynn/Nanashi and even Nahonino deserved the first place, which I find it fascinating not gonna lie haha.
And yeah, at least we agree on one thing, and that's the Demi-Fiend is one of the protagonists who suffered the least, his situation was so bad and difficult to process that he just said "oh no, my world has been destroyed. ...fuck it, let's destroy it even more."
21:55 this is the most bonkers line ever out of context lmao
Nice, subscribing. Smt tubers have become inactive.great to see another one rising
Thanks man! It means a lot to me to be called an "SMT Tuber"
tbh I don't blame them, the only SMT close to its release is SH 2, and not many people are too hyped for it :/
4A is the one game i actually really liked, yeah is a pretty big downgrade in some regards to 4 but it didn't give me a spreadsheet stress attack trying to land the good ending like 4 did
i didn't have access to the consoles needed to play the other games
Being honest with you, I too enjoyed 4A, the story may suck compared to other games, but the characters gave the series a "fresh air" from the edgy and sad world-building.
I'm gonna be real with you, despite all of Apocalypse's shortcomings, I probably would have still liked it...
...If Nozomi and Toki weren't in it.
@@Bladehound83 nozomi is tolerable and decently written, yeah i get the toki hate though
Nanashi bc he had to remember he was reincarnated or the fact that his reincarnated sister has a crush on him
Who was his reincarnated sister again? I forgot :c
@@CarlosMW Asahi
@@raptorskilltor4554 ooooh you're right
bold video idea for a series where each game has the exact same plot
Man, you got me haha
b-b-bu-but nooo… 🤓
Lol, the joke about there not being any Nahobino fans. I liked the video and the editing! I hope we do get that spinoff video someday.
Thanks man!
It seems that video will become a reality after all hah
I'm a Nahobino fan
One of my favorite Smt protagonists, V story indeed sucks but Nahobino is cool and has an amazing visual
Also he has the coolest skills
Story wise i would stay with Demi Fiend or Aleph
A Nahobino fan is here?!
I thought you were an extinct species.... (jk)
I put that joke in the video because of how recent V is.
Kazuya suffer so much...
I know :(
En SMT2 mencionan qué fue del héroe del primer SMT? Además de su estatua en el coliseo, no recuerdo que hayan hecho mención sobre cómo murió o que haya ayudado a Valhalla junto a Madam. A lo mejor y me salté algo.
PD: Exelente y entretenido vídeo :D
Si no mal recuerdo, eso no lo mencionan en SMT 2 (lo unico que confirma que el 1er campeon sea Kazuya es el model del personaje), el juego que si confirma sobre lo que le paso a Kazuya es ironicamente SMT Nine, un juego que de alguna forma es mainline al estar conectado al 1er juego....cosa que no sabia hasta que saque este video xD
Pero según la wiki, ahi sale informacion extra de Kazuya (el 1er campeon, fundador de Valhalla, su muerte en la cueva, etc)
Y muchisimas gracias bro, espera con paciencia el video de Persona 👀👌
Se supone que los ángeles convirtieron a Kazuya en la estatua que está en el coliseo, por eso llora cuando Aleph se acerca a ella, y para el colmo, muere gracias a que Abaddon absorbe Valhalla, llevándose con él la estatua.
@@CarlosMW supuestamente material suplementario revela que le asesinaron los seguidores de YHVH
@@isauldron4337 todo lo que hizo valio nepe, gracias atlus
Buenardo video Carlos
Aunque el de persona suena increíble también debo de decir que en mi opinión tatsuya y maya son los que más sufrieron por una gran ventaja
Gracias bro
Pero si Tatsuya y Maya son de Persona, no de los mainline SMT jaja
@@CarlosMW jajaja si
Quería hacer mención de un posible video del mismo tema pero en persona o spin offs de megaten
@@wtfisgundam ufff viejo, de hecho ahora mismo estoy trabajando en el video de Persona que subire SI O SI este Viernes 👀👌
@@CarlosMW hay que ponerse finos para el estreno
I mean, God, where do you even start with Nanashi?
-Had to grow up in SMT IV Tokyo
-Watched his mentors die
-Literally died
-Had to sell himself to Dagda just to come back to life
-Got forced to release Krishna, which then led to the deaths of thousands of people, for which the blame was laid on him by everyone in Tokyo
-Had all of Tokyo demanding he be killed
-Watched his foster father die
-Watched Asahi be eaten by Shesha, a monster that he was forced to release
-Either has to kill all of his friends or experience slowly dying depending on the route
Like, IVA has Persona levels of wish fulfillment (and mid writing in general) but damn does Nanashi go through the wringer.
And to make things worse, he's still a kid
damn this is like gambling, I had my bets on Aleph since the video started, I didn't know much about smt II but I knew that Aleph went through some bs
I know, right?
My idea was to make it look like gambling, I'm glad it worked out perfectly (at least, with you haha)
Yeah, the older SMT heroes had to live such horrible events
Buffmeister is a generous guy
BuffMaister is such a nice guy, every time I want to make an SMT video, he allows me to use the footage he recorded, without him my SMT content won't be possible.
At least Aleph has the power to overcome the suffering unlike Kazuya i just hope the angels were merciful and made it quick for the lad.
25:07 Kazuya and Doomslayer would make for an interesting duo.
I wish I could work on atlus lol, can't wait to see some new smt protagonist, i hope they could have something from the older games, and I REALLY HOPE SOME REMAKE OF SMT 1 AND 2
the editing is so good fr keep at it bro
Thank you so much c:
I'm glad you like it!
Missing out on Strange Journey. While its not a numbered game for reasons, it's definitely still treated as a mainline game by the devs and fans.
Yuuup, hours after I uploaded this video some people from Reddit told me that SJ & SMT NINE are considered "mainline", which leaves this video incomplete.
To fix that mistake, I'll include both SJ & NINE's heroes in the "Which spin-off Megami Tensei protagonist suffered the most" video as a way to redeem my lack of research.
Kazuya 1000%. Had to kill his mom, his friends, everyone he cared about, and was turned into a statue for the foreseeable eternity. On the other side of the fence, Demi-Fiend from day 1 did not give any shits. This man became a true demon king simply because he could. Coud not care any less about the reasons or anyone's drama. He just wants power.
While I do see why you put Demi-Fiend in 5th, there are some events that were left out that could’ve at least put him into 4th or 3rd:
1: he had to watch his comrade Hijiri betray him only to be killed by Isamu!
2: he learned of Hijiri’s fate after his death (they never did explain what the poor fool did to deserve such a fate)!
3: he had to watch his teacher die in front of him, which happens regardless of his choices
Though on the plus side, he is the only one who canonically got a lady, the pixie that joined him at the hospital at the start of the game! My head canon is that after the defeat of Lucifer and being named his general, Pixie dragged the Demi-Fiend to a hidden corner of the Amala Labyrinth and r*ped him (given how strong she is by endgame, this is not only entirely possible but also very easy to believe)!
I actually have been tinkering with a story that serves as a sequel to the True Demon Ending after all the adventures Demi-Fiend has as an extra boss in other games! While he isn’t the MC, it does give him a more positive ending though it doesn’t erase all the stuff he had to do nor does it restore his humanity! I also have it so that while he would do all the things he did all over again in the same situations, the Demi-Fiend is so traumatized and saddened by those actions that he only speaks to Pixie, Lucifer, the Lady in Black, Sagahaki, Futomimi, and the Fiends. Pixie uses her abilities to alter her voice to speak for him in other instances! Please note, I do not work at/for Atlus so any changes or ideas I make are NOT canon!
Maybe...maaaaybe I could change Demi-Fiend & Nanashi's places, but Demi-Fiend still won't enter in the Top 3.
If we take your fan story as canon (considering the Amala Network is a connection to multiple dimensions & realities) we might say that Demi-Fiend is the protagonist who suffered the most haha
True, though I only came up with it because of how little SMT got in extra media (like mangas and such) in places other than Japan. I know it got a novel, an audio story, and a short lived card game in Japan; it got nothing else anywhere despite it being what brought Atlus into foreign markets! That just doesn’t sit right with me, that and I wanted a way to have the True Demon ending without having the world we know staying destroyed!
Sadly, you're right x_x
Aside from mangas, CD dramas, and developers' interviews, we barely have information of what happened to the SMT's heroes.
Yeah, and for the most part it’s Japanese exclusive (I’m sure there might be some stuff that made it here but it’s pretty hard to find)!
Wasn't Naoki in the best place at the wrong time, considering he would have just been killed if he wasn't in the hospital?
I mean, it depends if you prefer to die in a cataclysm, or if you like to be turned into a half-demon being in a world where everyone wants you dead .n.
9k man, let's go everybody
The video just reached 10.3k views...
I'm gonna cry man, i can't believe it 😭
Nice video bro
P.s where did you find the audioclip of the Demi Fiend at 11:23?
Thanks man!
Easy, watch the american SMT Nocturne Remaster announcement trailer
1:Kazuya (smt 1 protagonist)
Can't argue with that
You're literally the Fucking King :(
@@CarlosMW YEP
i gotta see smt 1 hero in a remake his mom's death was too casual
what do you mean? 0:
Damn I'm surprised this got recommended to me. CZcams is good sometimes
Hold on a sec....
CZcams recommended my video? That makes me so fucking happy not gonna lie
@@CarlosMW Yeah pretty cool since youtube usually just recommends me stuff I don't wanna see lol. Hopefully others get recommended this video too
@@Regretted hopefully that will happen
Thanks to SMT groups & Reddit this video became more relevant unlike my other videos haha
27:50 but also Imagine getting the revelation that your whole life was artificially made, Your main companion is actually your mom and all the other 4 are just extensions of you. Like poor aleph man
He had it rough ngl
This video would benefit highly from an English CC track. I know the Spanish one is for accessibility, but the English is auto generated and it’s absolutely mangling some of the terms used. The audio could be tweaked up for most of this plus a lot for the opening. Oh god it keeps saying Chin Megami Tensei XD
The yvwh scratch and other sound clips like Flynn’s voice are also a lot louder than your narration too.
To be honest, adding English CC is an idea I'm considering for extended videos like this, unfortunately for THIS one I can't take my time to add it because I erased the script (yes, I'm a genius xd), howeveeeer, I could write the English CC for the Persona video I'm going to upload today, but I can't do it immediately like the Spanish subtitles for not having enough free time to do it u.u
And yeah, I can't deny that I didn't double-check the audio volume when I was working on it, as a result, some audio files are way louder than others.
About the "Chin Megami Tensei" stuff, that's how we call the franchise between Spanish speakers, but at this point, I would be able to pronounce "Shin" correctly. haha
Aleph:
"I have crippling depression :D"
Aleph should be THE definition of the word "depression" tbh :(
No idea, feels like SMT 1 and 2 released in the 1920's for some reason. Only heard of 3 and up.
Classic haha
The same applies to Persona though
it is us who suffer the most
because we have to grind and whatsoever to be make a good and broken demons
Uhhh are you sure about that? if I recall, the only mainline SMTs where you MUST grind hard are Nocturne, V & SJ (which I didn't include in this video)
Demi fiend in Freedom ending: happy ending yes or yes!
Escuché tu voz y por el inglés medianamente roto supe al tiro que eras hispano, y más encima por tu acento caché que eres chileno xd
Fan de MegaTen y Chileno
Dios si castiga más de dos veces
@@CarlosMW Hay destinos peores que la muerte
Me every morning: gotta give up video games and grow up
Me after work dealing with daily bullshit: nah fuck it *cracks open a beer too*
I understand your pain bro, I seriously do u_u
Aleph in the Chaos ending actually doesn’t have it that compared to neutral and law. Smt2 arguably has the best chaos in ending at least in mainline
You know what? You're right.
SMT II's Chaos feels like you did something good for the weak; the opposite of what Chaos is in other SMT games
great video but where is IF, NINE and SJ
If... will be included in the Persona video, but I forgot to include Nine & SJ here, as an apology I'll talk about them in the SMT spin-off heroes.
EDIT: tbh I never thought that forgettable & obscure Xbox game was from the main-line series haha
If’s protagonist: Got outta school for free, gone to a new school and met tadashi, lives in the persona timeline. Easily the least suffering protagonist
You really think Tamaki suffered the least compared to the other Persona protagonists? I recommend you to watch the video about them 👀
Si pero jacket de hotline miami sufrio mas (¿¿¿¿
Nah mentira, una vez carlosGOD subio otro video GOD para su canal GOD que GOD es Carlos
Una vez mas excelente video carlos TKM
Ahora me devuelvo a mi hiatus de medio año (?
While this is a great video, there are some points to be made
1. The Hero of SMT suriving shots from Steven but dying or being petrified will always be a plot hole that Atlus will eventually have to retcon or clear up at one point
2. YVWH saying that to Aleph at the end could've been him being a sore loser, not actually a threat. We see his real nature in SMT IV which only futher shows this.
3. I don't remember it being said that the other 4 were made from Aleph's DNA, just that they were clones
4. Nahobino is literally a normal human that became the god of his world. Meaning he could stop all the wars and suffering of that humans cause in the world but he chooses not to to respect human free will. And since there's no more gods or demons, he has to live in solidarity forever or until humans destroy themselves. Even SJ MC had it somewhat better since he had George and his only duty was to stop the Schwarzwelt
Basically I think SMT V Protag should have won this easily
If i was Nahobino i would certainly abuse of my power lol, but considering Smt
This would probably lead to a 16/15 years old kicking my ass with a portable computer gadget lol
I respect Naho
If I tell you that you're the first person who believes Nahobino could have won this video, would you believe me? haha
1. Kazuya's story after the events of the first game is very vague, we know all the things that he has done to humanity after his game thanks to SMT Nine (yeah, that game somehow has a connection with the 1st SMT) but, that's about it.
2. The only reason I'm sure why YHVH didn't curse Nanashi and others is for being rejected to a demonic state, which makes it lose all of its Allmighty power; unlike Aleph and Hiroko who fought it in a "Celestial" state.
3. It might be a mistake on my part, but if you make a clone of yourself, part of your DNA has to be transferred to the clone you want to give life idk
4. To be honest, I can't really compare which one is the worst, being alone for the rest of your life as an omnipotent being, or being re-incarnate for the rest of the eternity as a poor soul destined to suffer.
I respect your opinion though, many people still think that Nahobino is the one who suffered the less, obviously I disagree with them .w.
@@CarlosMW Wow, that was unexpected I didn't think I'd be the first one, but I'll clarify what I meant
1. We know that the Hero wasn't there to help Aleph, meaning that he either was killed or sealed or something. The only thing that can kill or match a messiah is another messiah(Or Stephen); this is sorta shown with Nanashi fighting Flynn in the Anarchy route, and the Demi Fiend boss fight in SMT V. The power scaling of SMT just makes it hard to believe the Hero died from a human accident.
2. YHVH makes the threat of reincarnation suffering but loses in SMT II. I think its possible for a world to permanently rejects god's existence and create a man made peace in the SMT multiverse because then it would be pointless to have YVVH or YVVH equivalent gods and Messiahs if it's a constant back and forth in the same world, which wouldn't give Stephen a purpose then.
3. I'm asking, where did you find it saying they were made of Aleph's DNA? I thought they were made from the DNA of other people.
4. That one is subjective but like I said, I don't think that happened to Aleph because there's no proof it ever happened afterwards.
I appreciate reading my comment man!
1. Yeah, Kazuya is dead or was petrified by the Archangels, but I doubt he just disappeared like Yuka (Heroine) did.
2. If I remember, he also tries to do the same with Nanashi & friends in 4A, but because he was rejected and downgraded to a mere corrupted god, his words didn't have enough power to curse them for the rest of the eternity; this is just a theory though haha.
3. Tbh I just theorize about it, I don't have any evidence to confirm all of them have Aleph's DNA.
4. That's the thing, the only mainline heroes who don't have an "arc finish" are Kazuya & Aleph; Demi-Fiend was turned into a demon, Flynn & Nanashi saved Tokyo & Mikado, and Nahobino restored the flow of time in exchange of his humanity.
Kazuya was (I'm 100% sure about this) petrified by the Archangels; & Aleph could have lived happily for the rest of his life, or been forced to reincarnate & suffer until the end of eternity,
Man, sorry for not answering your comment immediately after your response, I was so focused on working on the Persona suffering & the Majin Tensei video.
I like your point of view, brings much diversity to this channel.
The older SMT games were so dark, Jesus
Poor #1
And there are even darker MegaTen games out there such as Giten Megami Tensei
In my opinion it's
1. Kazuya
2. Aleph
3. Nanashi
4. Demifiend
5. Nahobino
6. Flynn
My logic here boils down to three factors. One how much do they lose by the end of the story, two how big is their role in the the conflict of their world and three do they get any benefits by the end of the story. I chose kazuya as the most suffered because not only did he start his journey before the apocalypse he lost everything and everyone painfully and he gets literally nothing afterwards but more work according to his canon ending. I chose Flynn as the least of suffering because he has the luxury of starting off in naive bliss and though he loses a lot he gets a lot out of the assumed canon ending by reuniting the people of Tokyo and Mikado. not to mention he's essentially a prodigy by his counterparts standards and isn't even fighting the real Lucifer and merkabah.
I love seeing people debating between choosing Kazuya or Aleph as the mainline hero that suffered the most, but I want to know...why you put Nahobino THAT low?
@@CarlosMW its the same logic as Flynn he starts the story in essentially naive bliss and he's by his narrative standards a prodigy in terms of his skill and power. The literal only difference is he actually fights the real threats of his world but even then he doesn't really struggle
no tamaki, space marine or smt nine guy damn
I'll talk about Tamaki on the Persona heroes video, Space Marine was my mistake for not researching enough, so to compensate my mistake I'll add him in the Spin-offs SMT heroes video
My apologies :(
Flynn got the N-word pass! 😳
The only protagonist in the entire series who got it, and there are still people who believe he had a bad life 👀
I love the running gag of not saying YHWH's name
The First One Original Sad Kiddo or Strange Journey Doom Guy
Change my mind
You mean Nakajima from Megami Tensei?
@@CarlosMW No, I mean the Protagonist of SMT 1
Which suffered the most? Me.
I keep getting hit with the SMT Bullshit moments 😂
Same
u forgot smt if...and smt strange journey theyre mainline too
I did forget SJ but no If...
I'll talk about SJ in the SMT spin-off heroes as an apology for not mentioning him here, but the SMT If... heroine belongs to the Persona mainline; when I have the time to make the Persona protagonists video, i'll include her on it
@@CarlosMW its kinda hard with smt if... since it is a what if to the og smt but persona takes place after it.
Let's take it like a different timeline
Do you have a Channel in Spanish?
Nope
But all my videos have Spanish subtitles 👀👌
No one gonna talk about Kyouji or Tamaki?
HOLY SHIT ITS KEI NANJO, I'M YOUR FAN BRO
Kyouji is the protagonist of SMT NINE?
Tamaki belongs to the Persona universe, so I added her in the Persona protagonist video
I think Nanashi suffered the most in all SMT protagonist.
Being an MC of the most hated SMT games is horrible
Can't argue with that, Nanashi is the true winner of this video .0.
Si, pero nadie sufrio mas que el prota de giten megami tensei
Me suena familiar,es el prota del juego de celular de los 90?
i like the nahobino
YOOOO THE FIRST NAHOBINO FAN
Can I get your autograph? c:
Demihusband
Demihusband suffered the most
LA FAMOSA ANDREA SMT VIO MI VIDEO?! SOY TU FAN
JODER, SOY TAN FELIZ 😭💙
AY AJJAJA nomas soy una lokita por demifiend no es para tanto 👉👈
@@d4csparda366 es que lugar donde hablan de DMC, Nocturne o Metal Gear, lugar donde te encuentro gkdkkg
Pero fuera de broma, me pone feliz que te tomaste el tiempo de ver este video ;_; 💙
4a is my favorite game in the franchise
It was a great & fun game ngl.
Though, fuck YHVH's dimension
@@CarlosMW the final dungeons are always weird but hey still better then eridianus
@@CarlosMW the final dungeons are always weird but hey still better then eridianus
Haven't played SJ yet, how bad Eridianus is?
El que sufrio mas fue el Carlos obvio
Efectivamente x_x
....
Chile, right?
Yeeee
How did you know? 0:
Mis compañeros de la u cuando tratan de hablar en inglés tienen pausas al hablar y un tono agudo
y eso es solo cuando tratan hablar en inglés jaja
wena qliao uwu
edit: allow me to darme mas color
el chileno promedio hablando en inglés suele tener un tono plano entre palabras, en lugar de uno fluctuante al moverse entre las palabras, como cuando webiamos en discord
TE AMO SEMIOSCURO SALUDOS A SMT LATINOAMERICA
Unos cracks los de SMT Latinoamerica
Gracias a ellos mi video se volvio popular 💙
@@CarlosMW alguien sabe que pasó con ese grupo? Simplemente desaparecio
@@christofersebastianlopezba1795 parece que te banearon porque el grupo sigue activo :\
@@CarlosMW crei que lo tumbaron por andar pasando la rom del smt4 en español
@@CarlosMW ya ni modo, a sacar las multicuentas
Pero Yaysuya Sufrio mas. No hay portada de Persona 2 Sin Tatsuya Don Motos soltando Lagrimas.
Pero si no hablo de Persona aqui xD
Ya le hare un video aparte a esa franquicia
@@CarlosMW Yo se es chiste de AMLO en el avion
@@CarlosMW persona 2 not too much separate franchise there always shin megami tensei part spin-off, only 3,4 and 5 was separated franchise but same demon from shin megami tensei series, persona 1 and 2 actually darker than future persona especially protagonist from persona 2 actually a lot suffer and meaningful about take responsibility has a adult and teenager start learn about life from adult everything fight and meaning about own sins from the past
@@kerryvanskonsol792 the reason you gave me now is why I want to make the Persona video, to make the internet know how dark the first three games were.
I have
You have suffered the most? D:
Guts
Griffith did nothing wrong
This winner congratulation for the boi is pretty FU too lol
You think so? :')
@@CarlosMW I think so x) our poor boi got a fu life and get congrats to have such on lmao, the cherry on the cake.
@@TheOshinoMeme at least he won, so its something I guess (?
el protagonista del NINE la paso peor tuvo que salir en un juego de xbox exclusivo de japon, que peor castigo es ese?
P-pe-pero el Game Pass....
Fuera de broma, que me informaran que el prota de Nine es de los mainline hizo que me explotara la cabeza, no puedo creer que Atlus puso uno de esos juegos solo para la Xbox....en Japon xd
@@CarlosMW no le debieron tener mucha fe al proyecto de seguro menos de 1000 personas lo jugaron y nunca se ha vuelto a relanzar
No creo que vendiera taaaan poco si una copia usada sale como 20 dolares KGKDKG
Un saludo a smt Latinoamérica
Unos cracks lo de ese grupo 👀👌
Si pero Guts sufrió mas
No pudo haber sufrido porque Griffith no hizo nada malo 🥱
q locura
Dimelo a mi jaja
eres chileno?
Yeeee, como lo supiste? 0:
@@CarlosMW lo noté porque tú voz se me hacía que tenía un tono familiar xd
@@user-dh3kc6us5v pense que fue por poner tanto "weon" en los subtitulos GKKDKG
Demifiend witnesses the oblivion of his world and the death of everything. I think he’s a clear winner.
That would be the case IIIIIIF Demi-Fiend wouldn't have chosen to reborn as a Demon, destroying any posibility to bring back the previous world