Video Game Cheaters Are in an Eternal Arms Race🎙Darknet Diaries Ep. 115: Player Cheater Dev Spy
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- Some video game players will do anything for an advantage, and that demand has created huge underground markets for cheat software, game exploits, and even cheat subscription packages. When game developers patch the cheats, the cheat makers find other work-arounds so as not to lose their customers. This arms race has been going on for as long as video games have been played on the Internet. This episode explores both sides of the coin.
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I feel like giving 3 pieces of photo ID isn't buying a cheat, it's willingly donating your personal identity.
I can't believe how dumb some people are.
I totally agree with that. As far as I know, this goes beyond the requirements of getting a passport or credit card, etc..
@@BG101UK which I’m sure is exactly what someone did with that info
@@illumistration Those are my thoughts exactly!
Fake IDs sound real good 😅
I dont believe all game companies want cheats to be eradicated. I remember Rust reporting lot of gains due to cheaters being banned and buying the game using another account
ahh, the blizzard business model
Battlestate Games do this alot too, theyll have a big banwave then DIRECTLY afterwards put the game on sale
For all we know facepunch are making and selling the cheats too...
@@TwiggehTV not only that they will sell the game in bundles, where you get 2 copies for like 20% off and 3 for 25%. Its realy obvious
Do you really think cheaters are paying retail price for their games? Or even the sale/ bundle prices?
i like the guy who made the fake cheats that actually punished the people who downloaded and installed it by messing with their game play and recording the hilariousness.
scriptkid made a video on this a couple years ago give it a watch its quite entertaining
@@bryceduncan951yo thanks i was going to look it up and you put it out there
fun times on CZcams
Darknet uploads a video, sleep shall take a pause. This is important stuff
i thought you said, "sheep shall take a pause". Like you take a break from counting sheep to watch this 😁
@gameratortylerstein5636 Hey that could work too. Good one
jack always coming in clutch, we ❤ you too!
"little cheat boost" is an understatement, they turn a game of imperfect information into a totally different game. cheating players will attest that their cheat only helps a little bit, total delusion.
That thumbnail graphic is fantastic, your team is awesome.
Agreed. Truly one of the best thumbnails.
I’d like to take a minute to appreciate whoever makes your thumbnails jack… they’re goated
Late night study break... you convinced me
Good luck studying ❤
Late night upload HYPE! Looking forward to listening to this while I work tomorrow :D
Hey Jack, just so you know your episodes are block busters for me.
Great episode. worked in the gaming industry and never seen it from this point of view. Wonderful work everybody.
Hope you talk about DMA cheats in this vid. Needs more publicity
DMA as in direct memory access? That sounds like it would make an interesting topic.
@@oliverer3honestly, not too interesting. Just the same as an external with extra steps. Waste of money too
Jack, your podcast is incredible. My hacking journey started with the original Diablo. Long live the Godly Plate of Whales! Sadly I stopped hacking after World of Warcraft came out. I was too involved in the actual game rather than what was under the hood of it. Probably missed opportunities by not looking behind what's going in the programs and sites I love. This podcast fills that void somehow. Thank you
I watched people playing that, I started Diablo 2. Jack needs to do a story about diablo 2 market place D2Jsp.
Russian is a difficult language, but it has a logical and concise grammatical structure which is easy to appreciate when you have such enormously complex languages as English.
So I have heard. That must be why I am still finding new English words.
Subscription for cheats lmfao 😂😂😂😂 na I'm old school GameShark cheat codes magazine and cheat codes pc gamer 😂
Those days were the best when they monitized and took games online they killed it for me especially when game packs and extra subscription junk came around
It was great meeting you just now! Honestly the best part of cactus con for me.
0:30 Love this. I remember having my phone date set 10 years ahead scared that going back would ruin my "progress" 😂
This is like musicians taking ghost writing, lip-syncing and miming to the extreme
The major problem with cheating, and especially in online games, is that it usually requires people to install third party software with administrative privileges. It's the perfect staging ground. Now your computer is wide open to basically anything.
It absolutely blows my mind how naĩve people are. So many install third party software without a second thought.
Yeah I am surprised there are not more malware campaigns targeting cheaters
it's like installing pirated software. You take a gamble every time, but it's potentially worth it.
@@markschwartz9905 Yeah. But cheat software is worse because it's usually basically a rootkit.
When I used to do it my entire computer could be reinstalled in minutes. Just in case. And it was offline.
@@20chocsaday There is malware that persists even through OS reinstalls. For example MoonBounce, which installs itself on the motherboard SPI flash memory.
Jack you should look into the cheat industry for Escape From Tarkov, the money aspect is interesting. The cheaters are able to profit real money from cheating through selling in game items and it has been a sketchy history between cheaters and the devs in the sense of profiting off cheaters buying more accounts
Yes Yes Yes! I've been wanting you to cover this topic for months! ❤❤❤❤❤
It's so emotionally damaging to put 1000s of hours into a game to get good at it, just to die to people cheating or dying to pros because sbmm is to tight. It's hard to feel good about "practicing".
I get what your saying about SBMM but how is it "practicing" if your playing the average player. In most competitive games I have played, I got better playing with people better than me. Cheaters are a different story and shouldn't be in the same sentence with SBMM. The only ones that really complain about SBMM are the "PRO's" and streamers as now it's harder for them to go in and get them 30 plus kills in a game.
@@dustins7259 I agree with you some what. but ive never learned much steamrolling people or getting steamrolled. And tbh pros are ok to die too. It is nice to see how much better someone can be then me. But what gets me is it has recently felt like sbmm effects ping and/or ttk. Its hard to die to people who it feels like are getting a handicap. And just saying this makes people think im crazy but they are doing something on the back end that doesnt feel natural sometimes imo
@@HighimEric Ping and TTK are intertwined, not much we can do about that. If someone has a bad connection it will effect the TTK as you may not even be hitting them. However connection should always be the biggest deciding factor in SBMM, however that doesn't always work as your connection could be good at start and then bad after connecting.
i have over 10k hours combined in various fps titles and i can say that the state of gaming right now is actually heartbreaking. i used to use gaming as an escape from the real world and now it is an extension of it
Those Devil Uppers get you every time.
I love these episodes and would love supporting it when my economics will allow it, but that in the future sadly. But keep it going 😊
Nothing about what BattleEye supposedly can do, is implemented in TARKOV. I wonder why this is the case....
This has gotra be one if my favorite podcasts
The problem with the anti-cheat stuff is that it is preventing *genuine* players from running their games on Linux.
What sucks is how large the “cheating” umbrella is, like sometimes an afk check is just as bannable as an aimbot
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I love the humor! Stories like your dad's KFC menu and the little Russian riff, keep it up Jack!
I hope you explore the many rabbit holes you can potentially go through in this gaming space. It gets really crazy
this isn't just cheaters. sony sued a kid for making scripts to jailbreak their product. the kid commited sd shortly after. i honestly don't know what it is with these companies where, if you do anything other then the way they want you to, they will go after you at full force no matter what age you are. it's not a matter of affecting others online, some just affect you, so idk what their deal is. this isn't just games, it's iot, desktop operating systems, other kinds of devices.
Being able to see your opponent’s hand in Magic the Gathering Online during tournaments has got to be worth A LOT of money.
Even worse in online poker
Perfect timing, I get to relax with this now, thanks!
I don't play the kind of games these kind of cheats are for. I don't think it would make ithem any more fun. GTA cheats are fun, that's about it. If you play online for money then it makes sense. I had no idea it went this deep and serious but I never really thought about it before.
I was about to quit Fortnite when i kept getting shot from 1000m away through walls. Less money for Fortnite.
If they hadn't cracked down on it i would have stopped playing.
However, games aren't much different than modding a car you own.
Should we see car companies go after people for changing their car stereo or hacking it so that they dont have to pay a subscription for seat warmers?
I'm still more impressed with hardware based cheats than the cycle of them making new cheats and then get caught.
Nice work 👍
Are these new episodes? Or are these being reposted? Sometimes I swear I’ve already listened to some of them.
I have been in a cheating consumer and developing community since 2019, this is a really vast industry you will be surprised how vast it is. I think ID checks are a bit of an exaggeration. But the money are maybe underestimated. Look at the Aimware this is a terrible csgo cheat. DBs got leaked and turned out they earned the minimum of 70 million dollars, just of the website excluding resellers
Modern online games have been sold as Esports to the public for a while now. I used to compare cheats to steroid use by athletes, but anyone who plays these games will tell you it's much worse. You can play a game of tennis with strangers at the park, but would have to be paranoid to suspect they were taking performance enhancing drugs. If you are just someone who likes tennis, it would be like 30% of your tennis games being against steroid users. You wouldn't be able to play tennis anymore. You may have spent your whole life playing tennis. I was waiting to see Jack cover this, because it really is a white hat black hat warzone, but what's weird is how these two groups are fighting over the public, and the public are intimately involved. Getting hacked is a rare and outlandish thing to most people, but playing against cheaters is the new normal if you play these games.
The answer is hiding in this video. Even the cheat developers have figured out that anonymity is a problem; you need someone's real identity. You don't need to sue kids, just permanently ban them; ban their face, not their account. The fact cheat developers need to keep patching the cheats proves the developers can and do plug these holes, so they would only need to catch a buyer once. Eventually, there won't be enough buyers left to cover the Lamborghini repayments. I would pay triple for a game that demanded my ID to play it, it's gotten to that point.
I figured that you knew more about this topic than you are leading on. Cheats can’t be stopped without the implementation of some EXTREMELY intrusive measures for gamers such as multiple security camera live feeds in a players home monitoring the display screen. Obviously that isn’t going to work so we are stuck with this.
actually no "EXTREMELY intrusive measures" arent the only way, have u heard of a whitelist?
i know that itself doesnt prevent cheaters from getting access, but any that do, theres a chain of responsibility, "whos friend is this, who allowed him into our server" etc...
I worked for a league of legends script developer and was very active in multiple communitys in the past so im very curious if i learn something new today.
Edit: No i didn't, still entertaining
If you ever do a follow-up to this look in to how AI is changing the landscape both on the attack and defender side.
Damn. Kids are paying cash to cheat in a game now? You know when we old-school gamers were desperate to win in the 90's, we just read gaming magazines to find out tons of cheats for multiple games. Some we didn't even own yet. It was like 5 dollars a mag for a little section in the back with at least 20 or more cheats across several games. And when the internet became more detailed with all of this info from the past and present? Free if the connection was great. I didn't even know that cheats still existed in games until seeing this episode.
But now that I think about it.... the tides have turned technically. Now the devs are cheating the players. Funny shit. Can you imagine an EVO competition having an in depth podcast for all of this? That shit would be hilarious. Billy Mitchell levels of nonsense.
Fuck the modern world. Plus devs have out the cheats they didn’t care if you used them when it was all offline.
Stopped playing Rogue Command cause of this very nonsense, took a month to work on my aim only to find cheaters keep cheating.
Hela frustrating
It takes finding small communities of players to get away from cheaters for each individual game.
Thats a shame you were turned down by others in the scene for an interview.
I would have had no problem giving such had I heard you were talking to people. Though, trying to embed oneself does add a layer of secrecy.
This really is making me want to get into cheat development
When i was about 12 i played SOCOM Firetean Bravo on the PSP. There were a lot of hackers in the lobbies. I modded my psp with a special battery (pandora battery i think it was called) and firmware that would allow me to load in my own hacks. I had counter hacks for the hackers. I loved the game so much i became the counter cheater. If there was a cheater i would boot them or do this assasination kill thing to them which was only present in the campaign lol. I did however give myself 9999999 credits so i could get drippy lol. I never used it to ruin peoples games as i was tired of my games being ruined. Good memories.
You can hear the cheat seller consciously trying to pick his words very carefully. He's got a little bit of that Corporate Voice (tm) going on (for good reason).
Farming games, candy crush type games clock ⏰ trick works perfectly.
Jack is right. This is out of hand for just a game
love u jack. keeep em comming!
Oooo this is something that interests me. I play tarkov
The worst part of this is that anti-cheat software has now become full-on malware. Not cool 🤬
And it still doesn't even stop cheating. A friend was selling cheats for Valorant within a day or 2 of release, and that trash game makes you install a literal rootkit to play it - which any other malicious program that runs on your computer can freely abuse to do whatever it wants at kernel driver level.
@@user-lg4le8xr4s Exactly. But it IS getting used as an excuse not to port games to linux, forcing competitive gamers to use yet more malware (wine-dows 10, or worse - 11). You'd think the security features of an actually good operating system would be just as much of a pain for cheat devs.
@@233kosta Just like DRM only stops legit users, not pirates.
@@thewhitefalcon8539 Yup! I've about had it with EA and Ubi's DRM. I'll pay them for another game when they stop f-cking me for it. Same as scamazon prime. I'll get my 4k content some other way before I go back to Michaelsoft Binbows
No way i would give a hacker essentially my identity, to level up in a video game. While paying a sub. Im sure they have multiple sources of income per person.😂 Who knows, maybe they make enough to not wanna ruin that business. I wouldn't gamble on that one. Bad odds.
I love your content dude
Recently I wanted to play some games (vrchat for example) in a virtual machine, cause my host system runs Linux and I don't want to dualboot. Sadly, because of the cheaters, most anti-cheats prohibit running games in a VM. It's easier to ban everyone instead of supporting 1% of legitimate VM users. I was able to hide the VM and run the games eventually though.
Bro you get a like solely based off the fact for telling me we bouta take an ad brake. Why don’t more people do this ?
In my country where was a guy who wrote a cheats for CS GO. Aimbot, wallhack and etc.
He sold it to everybody for a 5-7 USD ( my country is poor :D ). But later, he modified a code to add a malware functionality. He lied to customers what AV detections are just false positives.
Using cheats in online game is very lame. You will ruin other people experience and can significantly suffer yourself.
Hey just wondering if you have this same stories in Spanish I live in Mexico now and I always find myself telling my friend about your videos.
Tarkov and cheats are rabbit hole if you re looking for similar stuff. Very recent drama about it happened no more than few months ago and still goes on
I remember when I was a kid and hacked a game though was to teach people about loan sharks.
Similar to the farming game in your story. You invested in loan shops and earnt money that was time gated. Got to quintillion and broke the game 😂
Sending someone so many personal information can lead to a lot of problems. In modern world you shouldn't send your own phone number to a stranger.
Why should you trust a company with you PI what earns money by ruining gaming experience of everybody for the profit. Why can't they just get a loan in my name with this information? It's very dangerous.
The only cheat code I'm looking for..... 50% off groceries😂
I rarely execute anything outside of a container / vm / with internet for that file enabled if it doesn't need it. Nowadays
Cheaters have been in the gaming industry for a while. Now more than ever. As we want to believe that these developers are trying to do the right thing, most of the time its all driven by money. As stated some developers make more money making/fixing/tuning cheats to the point you don't know if they are playing both sides.
'H'ACTIVSION is the biggest example of it. Most of the current streamers right now are using either private cheats, DMA, or Cronus matched with REWASD and other scripts. Instead of being the example on bans and strategizing how to stop cheaters and streaming cheaters; they whitelist them so they wont get banned.
Will it stop the cheating industry? No. But companies like Activision with a surplus of money should be setting up industry standard with security and anit-cheats. But having cash tournaments with sponsorship from the game company while having cheating streamers on it, is a bad look and discouragement for any true gamer.
Both sides need the other. The developer who delevopes the cheat earns more when their sold cheats get blocked from the devs-team, bec. he can do a new cheat and can sell it again. At the same time the devs can show the non-cheating-players that they are working hard against cheats and the game-provider maybe is also learning something new when going through the cheats itself. Who knows if they are working together or not xD
@Jack - how do I donate? Great channel, please keep up the amazing work. Thx you
The next episode should be about cheating streamers in Call of duty 🤣🤣
Yay Jack, let's go!
UP UP DOWN DOWN LEFT RIGHT LEFT RIGHT B A B A SELECT START. Hacker here. This content is so universally relatable due to those like myself who listen for educational entertainment. Im not necessarily computer savvy, save for automotive systems due to my profession. However even i can relate to gaming cheats.
You should specifically look into escape from tarkov if you want to go far down the cheater rabbit hole I’ve heard some wild things about the cheating community in that game
The multifacetedness of these blows my mind sometimes.
Cheaters are the lowest form of life!!!
"Who cares about cheating, it's just a game" - Lance Armstrong & Ben Johnson
Single player games though.
Hey Ubisoft, take notes
Tarkov is 100% developing and selling the cheats for their own game
I dont get why devs dont make their own cheats, that way you profit from the game and from the cheats from the game. and you can have code in the cheats, so you know whos hacking and match them with other hackers.
That’s incredible, the cheat/hacking community is more tight lipped than the Sicilian mob!! 😂
I love you too, dad.
Wait what? Ubisoft actually does things beside add bugs to their games??
Fun fact: Cheating in online games is *illegal* in South Korea.
if the soft heave trial it`s crackable and stuck in the time... and working fine;((
Do they have cheats for Warframe
You should make a video about Troy woody.
Did this get generated?
I knew about that Pokémon go one
have you ever loped the devil? we have to always be devil loping
man I love devil loping. I lope the devil every day
F*ck yeah, let's Gooo...
i love to hack offline games, but feel there is a very clear wall between offline and online hacks. as a DayZ player i have died to some absolutely STUPID hackers, and it boils my blood. how could i do that to another person, the game actually ebcomes so much less fun without the actual skill involved with other players. if i wanted to MOW DOWN someone, id play Far Cry or Dead Island.
offline i like to generate extra coins, or have infinite stamina, these kind of things. it can make for a faster, smoother gameplay experience on limits that possibly make grinding an actual requirement in a game! hah!
I have heard this episode before... recycling or am I going crazy? Honest question.
Single player game cheating... don't care (except where records might be happening...) Multiplayer game cheating... I do care because that does interfere with the fun of non-cheaters.
Sounds a lot like drug dealing. The ethics walk the same line.
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Don't do the hack back method, the Dutch government did it once for something very famouse, however got scorched for doing this 'unethical' way of operating
There are so many aimbots on Destiny....
there is a creator that seems he is cheating by some glitching artifacts i see. but i wonder if other players are also cheating. so its only cheaters lobby.
Is cheat making illegal?
Only in totalitarian dictatorships like Germany.
fiddle my deauth while listenig