MOON KNIGHT: Is the Third Personality Actually His Arch-Enemy? | HIDDEN VILLAIN Explained
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- Moon Knight's third episode confirms that there is a third personality in the show--someone who alarms even Marc with his brutality. So who is this new alter? We think that it's Moon Knight's original villain: Raul Bushman. Bushman is the mercenary who originally hired Marc and left him for dea din the desert--and then killed Marlene's father (adapted to be Layla in the show).
It could that Marc thinks another man killed her father, but it was actually this brutal alter ego. Someone who is so bloodthirsty that Marc hid his existence form himself.
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This just confirmed that there is a third identity in the show. And based on the body count and the brutality, this alter is something completely different. The mystery personality is a huge change from the comics.
So we got to try and answer who is the 3rd personality and what does that mean for Marc and Steven.
We think we know exactly who the 3rd personality really is.
And if we are right about our prediction, the identity of the mystery alter could be one of the show’s biggest and most shocking twists yet.
In the 1st episode, we saw the crazy switcheroo between Marc and Steven, as they swapped control over the body.
There is this moment in the first episode, where Steven finds himself surrounded by bodies. Carnage we assumed was caused by Marc.
There is a similar moment in episode 3. But this time it’s Marc that finds himself surrounded by bodies. And Steven is certainly not responsible for this bloodbath.
And so this means only one thing - there is another identity sharing the same body with Marc and Steven.
Before we theorize on who this 3rd alter might be, we got to explain Moon Knight’s other personalities in the comics, because this will make it easier to explain how it plays out in the show.
We covered Moon Knight’s multiple identities in length in this video, so I promise we won’t dive into the comics too much. Especially because they are making so many changes to the nature of the alters.
As I’m sure you are aware by now, Marc Specter suffers from dissociative identity disorder, a mental illness that causes him to manifest multiple personalities. In the comics he has a lot, but there are 5 main alters. There’s Marc, the initial identity. Then there’s Moon Knight, Marc’s vigilante persona. Mr Knight, who is a vigilante detective.
Marc has 2 main civilian alters, both created to infiltrate all forms of society.
The first is Steven Grant. In the comics he’s a billionaire playboy philanthropist, who grants Marc access to high society.
And finally there’s Jake Lockley. A taxi driver who serves as Marc’s eyes and ears on the streets.
Fans have been wondering if they will even see the Jake persona in the show. And now we might have gotten our answer, the mystery identity is most likely Jake Lockley.
But he’s going to be drastically different in the MCU.
After all, Steven is not a rich businessman, he’s quite the opposite of his counterpart in the comics.
There’s also Mr Knight, and he was altered for the show as well. Instead of being a cerebral detective, Mr Knight seems to be simply Steven’s masked identity. Though the suit the snazzy allows Steven to gain a lot of confidence.
All of this means that Jake Lockley is going to be altered for the show as well. He is presented as a brutal and deadly personality. So it’s doubtful he will be a taxi driver, unless he’s a taxi driver like Travis Bickle. Now that will be awesome!
But the Jake persona will be a lot more obscure than that.
So here’s how I believe it could work.
When Marc started working as a mercenary, his life was in constant danger, he was always in life and death situations - even before becoming Moon Knight.
Marc might be ferocious who has no problem inflicting pain and even death, but he’s not a murderous savage. He has conscience and moral rules. But his job required him to be ruthless, kill without asking questions.
His mental disorder began protecting him from his killings. His mind created a new personality, a scapegoat to carry the burden of the trail of bodies he left behind. And thus, Jake Lockley was created.
Marc’s dark side, his murderous alter, the one that has no limits.
Steven and Jake represent the extremes of Marc’s nature, two polar opposite aspects of his personality.
Steven acts as Marc’s softer and kinder nature, while Jake represents his more vicious and deadly side.
Who do you think the third personality is?
Jake
your mum
Jake Lockley
Definitely
It’s probably Paul from Heavy Spoilers, making it “all connected”
Jake Lockley not some multiverse bullshit
I think "Jake" also appeared somewhere else in the show so far too. I think a different personality asked Steven's coworker out for thar steak date cause it definitely wasn't Steven and I doubt it was Marc. I also think Steven being caught on camera after the bathroom fight was also the other personality and not Marc. Marc would've been smart enough to hide from the cameras and wouldn't have wanted Steven to lose his job. The other personality won't have cared.
ayo thats some nice theory right there
Agreed. I think Jake will be a bit of a Patrick Bateman type. Charming, smart, but also kinda always calculating murder. Jake might have killed Layla's dad not knowing who he was. If Marc has experienced his DID prior to Khonshu, Jake might have been his main alter with Steven emerging after Marc tries going into hiding. I think Jake is aware of both and protects them as needed. The date is his attempt to get them to move on from Layla. He makes sure that Steven never wakes up in the cot by taking over from Marc post suit. He replaces the fish and the door tape to keep Steven's little bubble intact. But then something happened to Jake, throwing him off of the balancing act he was doing between Marc and Steven, probably something to do with the scarab. And I think Khonshu knows-he refers to "the one who controls the body". Makes sense if Jake acts as the facilitator between Spector and Grant.
Yeh I'm down with that. It can't have been Marc that asked her out because otherwise she'd be confused by the American accent. He'd also be the character the "organised" Steven's life when he couldn't more easily because the English accent would just fit.
Agreed, I been thinking that as well. And when the two fake detectives talk about all the terrible things he's done in the past, that was Jake too
Can’t wait for episode 4 think he might show up 😂
I don’t want Jake to be evil. Dark protector would be good. Like he also just wants to protect Steven and the world, but he’s totally on board with utilizing violence to do so. He replaced the goldfish and asked out the coworker, and he’ll be the one to save Khonshu even though Marc and Steven both hate him because he’ll say they need him.
OR he hates Khonshu just as much since Khonshu doesn't say anything about even noticing the third personality. Could be the third personality, if it is Jake, doesn't hold back or show fear or be cowed by the god. After all Arthur said Khonshu can't really do anything to his Avatar, so having one that you can't control is...well frightening.
But hero or villain (or perhaps in-between) the third guy, if he's Jake or not, is going to be very interesting.
Sounds just like marc
I'm with you on being okay with a dark protector willing to cross lines in extreme situations to keep Marc and Steven safe who isn't actually an evil, deranged killer. There are already way, way, WAY too many 'this person is mentally ill and therefore totally going to kill you in your sleep' characters out there, when in reality, the person someone with a mental illness is most likely to kill, by a longshot, is themselves. Depictions of mental illness as dangerous to other people is part of WHY suicide is so common -- people don't feel like they can reach out for help, or they do reach out for help and the people they reach out to are afraid of them. Marvel has never let me down before when they've tackled difficult subjects, and I'm going to be really unhappy if this is where they screw it all up.
I don't know if anyone from Screen Rant is reading this comment, but if you are: Please think over the implications of the stories you're advocating for, because this is irresponsible, insensitive, and honestly I would have expected something like this from some of the other Marvel commentators out there, but not you. I'm disappointed. You're better than this.
@@purplecat4977 i see what you’re saying and I agree to a certain degree because I do think it could potentially glorify or at the very least contribute to the stigma, as you suggest, but mental illness CAN hurt other people- that’s the burden isn’t it? So yeah maybe killing would be extreme but excessive violence wouldn’t be too far off from the certain burdens mental illness brings, like say an abused individual projects their abuse on others around them; this is kind of what they’re[ScreenRant] is eluding to.
His time in all this conflict as Marc has developed a defense mechanism that is way too defensive it’s offensive and off the rails, so to counteract this he gave Steven the wheel. He is ill and hurt and needs help, Khonshu isn’t helping; Khonshu is only bringing out the worst in him. I’m sure some part of Marc prefers Steven because at least he fights Moonknight/Khonshu, but at the end of the day, Steven doesn’t grasp the weight of responsibility like he[Marc] does and so he has to do what is necessary for the world and, more personally, for Layla.
I think, if anything, having an extreme defense mechanism further deepens the well and complicates his position even more because, as you say, those that need help are afraid of hurting others- but sometimes people, anyone, but especially those who have their own issues, when they feel backed into corners people go feral and defensive- to avoid that we end up hurting ourselves to spare our loved ones pain, which can only hurt them more.
I definitely think it’s Jake and I agree that he’s probably the dark, violent type. I think the writers are hinting at this with all the symbolism of balanced scales and day vs night. Even the trailer used the song “Day and Night” which would be the perfect description of Marc if Jake were the darker identity. Marc himself would be the scale that has to balance Steven (light/day) and Jake (dark/night).
Does Khonshu even know his 3rd Personality because this getting sus of him making his control his body also what he can do like in the Episode 1
Or i think Jake is actually hooked up to a ventilator, comatose in hospital . Konchu is the voice of the nurses and family trying to wake him up, he perceives these voices as good vs evil battle that he needs to fight to overcome and wake up. Spoiler alert. Jake got Covid. End credit scene. Jake wakes up in wu han lab. Patient zero.
I think that was Jake drinking at the end of episode 2
@@Gingging47 it's highly likely that khonshu does indeed know of his 3rd personality since he always watches over Marc's body
I also think that all the moments of violent action we didn’t see we are lead to believe was Marc, but I bet it was Jake each and every time. And going off shots from trailers, we actually get to see those black outs, and I reckon they’ll be an opening scene (montage) for the episode that introduces Jake.
Also Jake would have been the one to get Steven that date that he missed in the 1st episode. No way Marc asks a girl out considering he still has strong feelings for Layla.
Good point
'Jake' was the one protecting them in Germany in ep.01. Mark was knocked out (reason Steven appeared) for most, it not all, of the chase. As we saw, and still see, Mark and Steven must give up control to each other, but 'Jake' is the only one that has shown to be able to force control.
I mean that's not how the alters work tho, if marc gets hurt enough to knock him out, it doesnt mean steven becomes in control, the body just gets knocked out. Besides, Khonshu specifically says "surrender the body to marc," and "give the body back to marc," it wouldnt make any sense for him to say that after jake was the one gaining control
@@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868 - He does say that, but then immediately whines that 'oh, the idiot is in control', like he was expecting someone other than Steven to be the one in control.
For it to be Jake in control in episode 1 Khonshu would have to know the difference between Marc and Steven but NOT Marc and Jake. Doesnt add up
For it to be Jake in control in episode 1 Khonshu would have to know the difference between Marc and Steven but NOT Marc and Jake. Doesnt add up
@@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868
Because Jake doesn’t obey khonshu the way marc does.
When he says “surrender the body to marc” it’s because he can’t order or threaten jake, he has nothing to lose compared to marc
After Khonshu said that he realizes it was steven and calls him the idiot.
Notice he doesn’t call them by their names so just because he doesn’t directly say Jake doesn’t mean he’s not aware of them
He knows the body for Marc, the balance between his good (steven) side and his bad (jake) side
I saw a take from folks living with DID that say they don't like the "killer alter" trope. That the way it was used as a gimmick in Split and Glass made for bad representation for the DID community. Interesting idea for a twist in context, but I could see that becoming a bad trope if that happens. Love your videos!
If they stick with Jake just being more aggressive, and frame it as him protecting Marc and Steven, it could work out well
Could be even better if Jake has an arc where he tries to acknowledge being overly violent all the time isn't the best thing to do
But like the video explained, Marc was a mercenary, so him creating Jake could have been because he couldn’t handle what his job was making him do. So it’s not like Jake is just this serial killer alter out of nowhere, more like just the one who isn’t afraid to get his hands dirty in the situations Marcs life is putting him in, like bloody combat. Split is a whole other story though, I agree with you there.
Jake didn't take over the 1st time, when Marc had the knife to the guy's neck, it was Steven. Steven took over and let the henchmen go, like the guy says, and then tried to run away himself, by taking a cab to the airport. Jake only took over the 2nd time with the bodies.
No its implied Jake killed all the other guys and let the other two go. Then he went on a cab to the airport
@@pax_sxprano there were only 3x guys. None of them died on the roof. Marc chased down 2x of them, got jumped by the 3rd, AND then Jake took over and killed the 2x, leaving Marc with the last one.
So why did Steven decide to go the airport. I think he took over two times. Maybe he had the date with that museum worker.
@ Steven just wants to run. Go back to his 'life' and away from all the killing.
My question would be, where would Jake be trying to go?
@ you don't know it was Steven. You just know that Marc woke up in the taxi. As they haven't revealed the third personality yet, the viewer assumes it's Steven because they see Marc wake up in the taxi. But as it's all off camera, it's more likely to be the third unseen personality.
I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned but in the end credits, you can see three different suits.
Good catch!
Do you have a timestamp? I only saw 2.
@@davesargent7304 47:37
@@justa_lame_human935 I just went and looked myself, I’m not sure what you’re talking about still ?
I think you are confusing the Moon Knight Suit, first is hoodless and then comes the hood, and then comes Mr. Knight, but could be fun if there is a third suit
I liked Hawkeye. I love Falcon and the Winter Soldier. Moon Knight is on another level. I never read the comics, but this character grabbed me from the beginning, like no other. I’m excited to see more.
Same!
@@RandoLePerson not everything from the comics needs to copy bozo
i think its definitely Jake, but i dont think he's dark as in "this guys a murderous maniac for fun" way more in "he'll do anything if it means keeping the system alive" which means being a lot more violent than even marc
Even forcing both Marc and Steven to black out when Jake decided more aggressive means was required than what Marc's moral compass would allow him to be
i.e. straight up butchering almost all of the grunts in the start of 3
So you're saying he's most likely to cut a dude's face off?
Right before the scene where Marc was captured and later had a knife to the henchmen, he found himself in a taxi... Maybe a far fetched theory but could be a nod to Jake's taxi driver persona.
this actually made me realize something! When he's in the cupcake van and flips it fully into reverse without slowing down, that's also a nod to "driving skills" and I really doubt they're referencing mark.
It was most likely Steve cause he doesn't like to fight, you can see Steve in the knife so it would make sense that Steve took control and ran away
@@Chowy_Xo Then what made those goons fear him when Marc stepped out of the taxi?
@@ColorMeConfused29 yeah, Cuz there's no way could be intimidated by steven.
@@ColorMeConfused29 why the hell would Jake leave?
What is amazing about this show, for me, is that they tackle a really serious subject, in a funny way, without being disrespectful.
A disorder that doesn’t exist it was disapproved years ago
I really hope they don't go down this road of an evil alter. It's a trope that almost always happens whenever a character has DID. I would much prefer to have Jake be a protector at all costs alter, brutal yes, but not evil. He can be the one who sees Marc and Steven as his wards, he protects Marc from the "necessary" violence and protects Steven from knowing about his alters at all so he can have a "normal" life.
I also don't think that Jake has to have an issue with not being in control of the body. It could be like in Legion with Cary and Kerry. Kerry hated being out when all the fun stuff like fights were over, she didn't want to have to deal with eating, showering, going to the bathroom, all that mundane stuff so she would just hang out in Cary, let him take care of all that. Jake could be the same, he just wants the fight, the fun, no issue with getting his hands dirty but doesn't seek it out either.
I agree
@@vickyallen2433 It would be heart wenching from the perspective of Jake and Layla's relationship, the show will take a much adult turn, with Layla having to confront with the fact that her husband killed her father.
Jake is not really evil he’s just more brutal.
@@MrSdsok It would be heart wrenching, I just don't think the storytelling needs to rely on the "evil alter" trope in order to accomplish that. Marc lying to Layla about being at all involved for the entirety of their marriage is betrayal enough. The story doesn't need to keep propagating the myth that people with DID are dangerous in order to accomplish that dramatic beat.
@@taniamorin4355 What if the Jake protector at all costs were trying to help Layla’s father. That is when Marc died, and Moon Knight was created. Moreover, what if the real murderer were Harrow. Going against Khonshu’s wishes. Or somehow expelled from Harrow when Marc died…a lot of interesting possibilities ahead.
You didn’t notice the accent change when he says “no he’s just trying to divide us. don’t let him get in your head”? It is a Chicago accent or at least not neutral American accent used by Marc. That is Jake talking to her
I just noticed at 7:20, when Marc is looking at the knife, and then the reflective surface, there is a line that divides the reflections into two sections. You can see Steven in one, but the other is blank. As if the 3rd personality is hiding.
I think it's becoming clearer that Jake is the one that killed all those archeologists that Steven was accused of killing, and that one of them was Layla's father.
That makes so much sense!
it was marc that was accused of killing btw but yeah i get ur point could be true but in the comics it was bushman the person marc used to work with but he betrayed marc and left him for dead in the desert and he went to a temple and died before touching the statue of khonshu and then he was resurrected
@@jacmenz4113 Well Jake is in Marc's body. If Jake did it, Marc would be accused. Also, not everything has to be 1:1 taken from the comics, and it really seems like the twist they're going with is that it actually was one of his personalities that did it
Maybe the show is Steven's origin story. By the end he will find a large treasure and buy the museum?
LOL. I hope he knocks Donna out and becomes a tour guide.
I'm surprised no one is paying attention to the little detail all the way back in episode one when Khonshu says, "Surrender the body to Marc." Then, "Oh, the idiot's in control!" As if the first time he was speaking it was to a different person & not Steven with a *V* .
i hope the third personality is MEPHISTO
Not the bees!!!
Mephisto! Mephisto! It’s Mephisto!! It’s Mephisto!! Confirmed 😂😂😂😂😂😂 where the fuck is Eric Voss!!! 😂
I really needed this humor!!!
That would make things interesting. Every time he changes back he ends up with a hole in the back of his pants. Steven would feel like it's his first week in prison.
Just stop with MEPHISTO PLEASE
If they are bringing out jake, i hope they gave him his own suit as well. Since they made Mr. Knight an extension of Steven and Moon Knight of Marc, i'd love it if they have Detective/Inspector Knight for Jake. Since Jake works by gathering intel in the streets, giving him the suit as a detective is perfect. It may have same character design like Noir Spider-man in the Spiderverse but white. Also, giving Steven the formal suit of Mr. Knight kinda make sense, setting him up as a billionaire businessman in the future. I hope each suit receives a different power-set from Khonshu as well.
There’s a small hint of that right at the end of the credits of Episode 3. Notice that there are actually 3 suits. One we’ve not seen (Likely Jake’s), Marc’s, then Steven’s.
There was another suit in end creds of episode 3. It looks like a Mummy outfit like Marc's version but without the hood.
@@yousephkarouni9540 , I had to rewatch that and now when I did it (after watching ep4), you also see the storage units switch to become the doors in the mental hospital.
I think whenever the camera shakes and it is during the day (ever since 1st ep) it is Jack taking over. When Marc takes over Steven (or vice-versa) there was no camera shake.
That's true. I noticed it was different in the desert scene when Marc tells Steven to take the body to form that star map. In the bathroom scene, there's no shaking, either, when Steven gives the body to Marc. Jake must be the one, then, when the music changes and the camera shakes. Neither Marc nor Steven know it's coming.
@@ColorMeConfused29 I assumed the difference is just between someone forcefully seizing the body versus the person in the body giving up control by their own free will.
@@TheDelinear Yup
@@ColorMeConfused29 That doesn’t make sense though because Jake wasn’t hiding his personality when he looked at the car mirror he broke off. Steven was in the mirror and then not in the mirror. If it was Jake, then there wouldn’t be a mirror involved.
I believe in the show, Khonshu said he found Marc when he was almost dead, probably near where Layla's father was murdered, so I still think Bushman was the one who did that, or it could be Harrow or his men
I thought that the third personality was Khonsu. Khonsu said he would protect him. I figured that taking control over Mark’s body and kill the people that are posing a threat to Mark was Khonsu’s way of protecting him.
Good point. As we have seen in the last episode the gods can inhabit the body temporarily.
Omg all your movie reference clips in this video were PERFECT!!!
I don't think they'd make his 3rd personality a villain, as Hollywood already faced backlash for creating a false perception that people with DID mostly have a violent psychopathic persona. Since the series has made efforts to study about mental health issues professionally, I don't think they'd follow this theme. Mark's other personalities might include his mother or father, as a parental archetype.
This is what I was thinking and it all makes so much sense. One more thing - in the comics the suited characters are different personalities, in the show they are just Marc and Steven with Konshu's suit. This leads me to believe the third personality will have his own version of the suit. What if that is the MCU's version of Midnight Man?
I don't think he'll be a straight up villain, but I can definitely see him being a dark anti-hero in the vein of Venom or Punisher. Midnight Man also worked for Bushman at some point in the comics, so if they're rolling Bushman's character into Jake, it would fit so well to have Midnight Man be his suited identity.
If they do go down this route, then I am definitely predicting at least one scene where the three identities battle each other mentally, so we get to see Moon Knight and Mr Knight pitted against Midnight Man. I can see how they may have to relinquish control of the body to Jake to rescue Konshu or prevent Ammut, and they have set up that the one who controls the body has a lot of power now, meaning Steven and Marc will have to team up to take the body back.
Harrow has alters too. He just uses the focused pain of the glass he walks on to maintain singular control of the mental spotlight
It also could keep him grounded (his feet grinding down the glass and centered) so he doesn't hear the voices in his head. We assume that the gods talk to their avatars like Khonshu speaks to Marc and Steven. Maybe he tries to keep the voices at bay.
why do you think he has alters?
This is pretty much the exact theory I had come up with, and I was really feeling myself for coming up with it. Kinda cool to have a big channel validate my feelings.
Kind of drives me nuts that this video didn’t point out she’s talking to the third personality in the car. Completely different accent/inflection. I think it was Marc looking back at Jake in the rear view mirror. Probably same situation in the Egypt hotel.
I definitely picked up on that. At first I said maybe it's just an accident. But mannerisms, vocab, and accents were all giving NY cab driver to me lol. Will be interesting to see if Jake "shows" up next episode.
Thank you! I've been waiting for someone to mention this. He suddenly has a NY accent and mannerisms, where Marc is more generic "American" and Steven is British.
Just rewatched that scene because of this comment and I think Jake even out right tells her when she says "Its like I've not known you at all" Jake says "You're right, you don't" as in, you've never met "me"
@@eveshuman9822 OMGG YOUR RIGHT!! i thought he sounded kinda nyc especially when he was talking to the guys lol. and it does make sense why he was so dismissive about harrows claims.
Also, at the end of the scene ‘Jake’ looks in the side mirror for a while and it’s just a normal reflection, not Marc or Steven. This shows that Jake can be in control without the other two knowing.
Now that his existence has been confirmed, I wonder when the series will officially introduce Jake, and show how he is different from Marc and Steven. Additionally, Jake shouldn’t be depicted as “evil” because it would give a bad representation of DID.
These new Marvel series have been improved so much. Moon Knight is now the best one yet. 3 episodes and the hype is still climbing up.
I’ve never been more sure that you absolutely nailed a theory. One thing: can be Jake, but not Lockley. Jake Bushman!
There are too many references that the third identity is Jake. First Marc wakes up in the taxi than his face and hair looks differently like the Two Face character.
I noticed the hair too.
im totally with you on the fact that the Jack personality is the one who killed her father in the MCU version - makes total sense based on the way the show is going. curious to see this play out.
Regarding that scene where Jake took over and killed the dudes. You said that Marc and Steven never reference that at all, however, I do believe they are under the impression that the other one is lying. Another alter is not in their mind or just ignored.
Because after that scene I think Marc tells Steven (or viceversa)something along the lines of “I don’t believe anything you say anymore”.
So I think they’re just assuming they’re both lying.
There's a couple of flaws in episode 3 that I got confused about, first was the fight between Marc and the 3 mercenaries on the rooftop, the one guy that threw the knife at Marc mid fight just dipped for 30 sec without joining the fight with his teammate right then (probably just choreograph issue). Second is when Marc called for the meeting with the God, he should have followed Arthur through the portal back to instantly know the digging location or even if it's not where he portaled from, at least he can transform into Moon Knight and get the scarab with force. That seemed like a missed opportunity
I’m pretty sure the gods avatars wouldn’t have let Marc follow Arthur harrow into his portal
Each avatar has his own portal I think, & they can only use the one for their avatar.
So when khonshu said "you might not like who I chose next" he could be talking about Jake and not Layla witch is sneaky and he still has mark under his control
He said "You may not like my next candidate, near and dear as SHE is to you." That cannot be talking about Jake and is obviously Layla.
@@BlazerRox what if the other personality is ''female''? i know he was most likely refering to Layla cause it was said in the show, but if the other personality is female it would also make kinda sense
@@maniaceu that would just be weird as hell XD
@@tylerm7035 yeah i know but like possible 🤣
Jake was probably the one who looked at the camera in Episode 2. Marc does everything in secret so who would he openly show his face ? .. I can see Jake being the main host and he uses Marc and Steven to balance himself
The third indentity being a ruthless murderer might not sit well with the DID community. might just remind them of Split. Him working as a fight or flight response/shield for Marc's conscience works but that should just be it.
Also a bit unfair to blame Layla's dad's death on Jake. Makes more sense if it was just Marc who did it and the trauma caused Jake.
I think its not actually as far fetched as Split.. because it make sense that he develop a new personality to preserve his morals if he needs to kill people.
true. my real thought really is that it makes more sense for him to develop said identity after the theoretical murder rather than having had said identity and just started to forget it's existence
A little bit of a stretch but wanted to throw it out. When Steven finds the phone in his apartment, the background is of an alligator which is the symbol for Ahmet. What would be interesting to see is if one of the personalities (Jake?) actually sides with Harrow and wants Ahmet to return, causing an extreme internal conflict inside Mark’s body.
Maybe it wasn't marc who went mental on those guys in the city where Steven wakes up?
Oh I see you address this exact thing just after I write this.. I really enjoy the show.
I laughed out loud when the clip "Dany had forgotten about the iron fleet" came on... well played hahahaha
I agree, I just had this thought that Jake might be the protector of the others even if that means he becomes the villain. But he also replaced the fish, he is likely the other one who stays in the apartment and he is the one who set up Crawley to be there for Steven. But yeah, that he is pretty much Bushman, yeah, and that its likely Duchamp here is more unwitting accomplice. And also that we should be worried about Layla because he might be able to pull off Steven to her face. But this might be where Oscar was saying he played against himself and that both Marc and Steven are trapped in that hospital set up we have seen.
Bushman is already in the show. He’s Mogart’s right hand man. The credit is given to Loic Mabanza online.
His name was bek,
@@qsqzqz yes
Iron Fist, Season 2 was pretty similar, with Mary Walker's personalities:
we saw Mary and Typhoid Mary (aka "Walker"), and we didn't see, but
they were building up to the third (and most extreme) persona, Bloody Mary.
I love these breakdowns almost as much as the series, thats why i made a motion comic of jeff lemire's moon knight
This is so cool. The 3rd personality makes me rethink episode 1. So actually all the bloody fight scenes were actually the 3rd personality and not Mark even tho Mark was the 1 who stole the scarab. But after the fall i dont think Mark came back untill he started talking to Steven in the mirror
That little editing cut to Peacemaker's Aquaman during the "fuck the fish" comment was beautiful.
yo ryan chill it with those random movie clips they disrupt the flow of the very good video
He spoke the local language perfectly and the cab driver asked why he’s pretending to be a tourist I think he’s harboring two more personalities
I doubt that, maybe the cab driver just assumed he was a tourist that didn't know Arabic that's spoken there with the cab driver and just spoke English, that's why he's like oh you can speak Arabic
What could've happened is that jake conspired with bushman to kill layla's dad without marc knowing. And when marc took over all he saw was layla's dead man's body and he tried to retaliate againts bushman but bushman beat him up like in the comics. The setting would make sense making bushman a diff character but still making marc guilty enough for what happened and blame himself for it.
Just want to quickly correct. 7:26 When Steven was asking for the body while looking at the carcass, Mark says something along the lines of how he doesn't want a bloodbath. After a rewatch I think this is referring to him waking up with the knife after those two men were stabbed and him still thinking it was Steven despite it clearly not being. So it's safe to assume it was mentioned and not completely forgotten even though I like that idea also.
It makes sense that Marc may have some repressed level of brutality. Jake may not be evil, but he could represent what kind of soldier Marc was before Khonshu brought him back. If we're going on the idea that each alter represents core aspects of Marc's personality (Steven being the intellectual side), Jake could represent Marc's thrill at killing an enemy in combat. Marc's psychosis may be the result of having killed innocent people rather than enemy combatants. Khonshu refers to Steven as 'the idiot', so he's aware of Marc's mental illness. That means Khonsu's aware of everything else going on in Marc's mind. IF I'm right, Khonshu's got some explaining to do regarding keeping that information from Marc. I'm REALLY looking forward to seeing how this plays out.
Your theories add to the excitement of the show. Thanks.
If you look close you can see at 7:20 when he is talking to Steven that there is a split in the mirror hint to the third personality as well
the security guard at the museum kept calling him "scott"
Actually at the end when we see Moon Knight and Mr. Knight, we kind of see someone else too, right before Moon Knight. That can be the third alter’s appearance with Konshu powers.
Jake Lockley with Bushman's traits.
Arthur Harrow with the Sun God's traits.
I 100% stan this.
I literally just subscribed this theory blew me away.
This is a good theory and what I was guessing at after the last episode. Also, I'm wondering what if Marc and Steven are neither the main personalities, but Jake is.
Idk if this was mentioned already, but in ep 2 when Steven/Marc got captured by the cops, they said that Marc was a fugitive cuz of an attack on archaeologists back in Egypt. Could this also have been the Jake personality and/or connected to Layla's father's death? Might be a reach tho.
Layla’s picture being taken which in some religions means your souls taken hostage, which is what Konshu wants. She is even changing identities in the scene. Foreshadowing?
notice the slight Brookline accent and then stairs into the mirror when he was telling layla that hawthrone was just trying to get into her head
Konchu would have witnessed this 3rd personality and is withholding that information from Marc/Steven. Knowing it all benefits him in some way. ✌
it benefits him because jake or whoever doesnt have an issue with murder and will do what he needs him to do
In my opinion... I think Harrow will be the Bushman character. In Episode 1, Harrow said "I know you. Mercenary." He also said in Episode 2 that as Khonshu's fist of vengeance they searched for Ammit's tomb - thus finding the scarab. They obviously found it.... and I think Marc and Layla's father was there when they found it but Harrow betrayed Khonshu and aligned himself with Ammit, becoming Ammit's avatar. I believe Harrow killed Layla's father when Khonshu chose Marc to replace him as a way to obtain the scarab from Moon Knight/Khonshu.
So Harrow had the scarab for 10 years but never acted on it?
@@culchiefilms1791 Is it mentioned 10 years? I can't remember ...Leyla has been searching for Marc for months...
@@jethrosketch Im pretty sure they said the father was dead for 10 years. Although I could be wrong because now I am second guessing myself lol
@@culchiefilms1791 What I meant was.. as Khonshu's fist, Harrow and Khonshu searched for it and they found it (well, Layla's father did) but Harrow betrayed him and wanted to resurrect Ammit, so when Harrow tried to get it from Layla's father, Marc (or Jake 🤷🏽♂️) defended the father but it was too late... they both were killed.... thus, Khonshu made Marc his avatar... Marc chased after Harrow to get it back which he did and Moon Knight has had it ever since.... and here we are.
I really, really hope they don't spin this into an "evil alter" story. That will severely undercut the DID representation, and it's hacky. The myth of the "evil alter" is very damaging to people with systems and DID.
exactly.
Yea I hope they don’t go that route as well. But “darker” doesn’t mean evil per se. He just might be willing to do what both Marc and Steven cannot do
I’m hoping he’s complex enough to feel remorse for what he does… but he suffers in silence because he feels it has to be done. Guess we’ll have to wait
Not evil, a trauma response. The brain tries to shut down the memories of the traumatic event(s) to protect itself. It cannot handle the thought of, let's say, offing all those people so brutally. So, Jake essentially is the protector of the brain. The body keeps the score of the trauma, so it never really goes away. The brain tries to hide it. Marc has a code. Steven has a heart. Jake comes out when Marc can't quite do whatever needs doing. Then he dips because the brain moves him to where Marc or Steven can't/won't access who he is. Once the primary two personalities realize this, he's going to spiral. Maybe that's what sends him to the psych ward (if it's not Harrow's doing alone).
I would much prefer it to be not an evil version, it wouldn't make much sense that Konshu would pick an evil person as his avatar if he's about justice and vengeance. It would make more sense if it was more like each personality represented an aspect of him. Steven being about truth and detective work, Marc being justice and honour and Jake being blind vengeance and protecting.
Chill, its comic accurate.
Lost me at the Bushman theory. Making every character an alternate personality is going too far. That would ruin the show
i think it may be a version of marks psychopath serial killer brother
I think it was Marc in the mirror in Egypt, he looked confused but not scared like Stephen usually does. And we know Stephen wouldn't just keep quiet in that mirror.
Yes. Marc also has the Star of David pendant on his neck. The body sitting in the floor does not.
The Man cut his scarf that fell of the Cliff, could have been STORMS Brother.
I will never not get angry at that Benioff quote
The Third Suit is actually IN THE CREDITS, if you watch carefully.
It shows you the (dark) Moon Knight face first, then it morphed into Grey Moon Knight then Mr Knight, but it is so dark and fleeting it is easy to miss.
I heard other people saying this, so i rewatched, but i think its legit just the unfinished suit coming together into frame before switching to Mr knight
No, I'm sure it's the Loxley suit. There is a Black one, a Grey one and a White one, matching the 3 personality types.
Fascinating ideas, Ryan 👍
I came here straight after final episode lol
Jake lockly is the man
Perfect timing for lunch nice
wasnt there in Iron Fist a Woman with DID? there was also a plot twist with a 3rd personality at the end.
Jakes suit is shown in the moonknight episode outro. That outro contains various key elements and plot points of the show like three personality of marc, the eniad, jake,mark and stevens suit and also some unexplored Back story of marc
Very good take. Can’t wait to find out.
I thought about a potential 3rd suit too!! Damn I cannot WAIT for the rest of the episodes!!
Classic Noir type of suit for Jake would be dopeeee!!!
Cool video, man!!!
I must admit, the 3rd being Jake was something I'd considered. But Jake being connected to the Bushman character was something I'd never considered, and it wouldn't be a stretch for Marvel to go that route. I dig this theory!!
I think having a dark killer 3rd personality is also going to play well into the question that Steve has been asking, If an innocent person has an evil thought, does it make them evil? If an innocent personality has an evil personality, is that innocent personality doomed as well in Ammit eyes?
Wow such a awesome turn on Moon Knight. Now it’s like a karma system where Steven is nice and non threatening, Mark is a killer but is still somewhat nice, and Jake is a ruthless killer. He is truly a balancing of the scales
Mark's third id mission: only take care of himself, like take care of steven's house and protecting him at the most extreme
I wonder if Jake also takes over and can move when Mark or Steve are knocked out...kind of a superpower if he does.
i lol'ed irl at the iron fleet thing. ooh man those were the times
Loving this show and loving these videos 🙏🏻
The Jake/Bushman idea is a really, really good one and I truly hope they thought of it as well.
Odd how Layla keeps running into Marc very conveniently both in London and Egypt. Layla and Harrow are working together. Harrow probably is getting Layla to play along by saying he's "treating" Marc's DID, Shutter Island style.
She didn't "conveniently" run into him in London. She said, when he turned Marc's phone on, she was able to track its location and assumed that meant he wanted to be found. Of course that doesn't mean your theory is wrong - after all, Konshu is definitely interested in Layla as a potential new avatar, so maybe Ammut is interested in her too.
@@TheDelinear good catch. Missed that. But yeah, Layla's up to something.
At almost the end of the credits, you can see another suit. If you pay attention its like a Mummy without the cape. Like imaging it's this Jake suit. That could be interesting...
Jake, hiding in the bushes being a bushman and later dressing as Mr. Midnight…
i notice steven and marc has different different hairstyle, also when (suspectedly) jake take over he left a clue with another hairstyle (7:37)
Hope that Jake's avatar transformation is into Shadow Knight! Shadow Knight was Randall Spectre in the comics and was Marc's brother.
Dude you’re on 🔥🔥🔥
Alice Eve played a character with DID on Iron Fist. Her story arc was similar. In the finale she discovers she might have a third altar responsible for the brutal murder of her captors. Of course the show was canceled, so they didn't get to pull that thread. Fortunately enough, it seems they're doing it here.
There was a moment where mark says to steven tha he guesses steven wants a bloodbath then to wich steven startled replied no. I understood this scene to mean they both still believe the other killed the men earlier and are a bit nervous of each other being in charge
I like when you said "Jake takes the driver's seat!"
This theory of "Jake" Being bushmans alt makes sense, even with the scene with the two fake detectives talking about all the bad he has done in the past. We are lead to think that was Mark, but I bet they where actually things "Jake" or Bushman Jake as I will call him has done
Bushman was in episode 3. He was the body guard for Anton
I'd love to see a collab video of you and the people at New rockstars