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  • @waterishorrendous
    @waterishorrendous Před měsícem +1006

    this aint math this is meth

    • @samueldeandrade8535
      @samueldeandrade8535 Před měsícem +43

      Not really. It can be made rigorous by saying
      lim_{n→∞} 2ⁿ/n² = ∞

    • @justcommenting5117
      @justcommenting5117 Před 19 dny +4

      ​@@samueldeandrade8535 this doesn't seem like the exact same thing as the initial problem, but I don't know if I'm able to elaborate on why does it feel like that.

    • @samueldeandrade8535
      @samueldeandrade8535 Před 19 dny +7

      ​@@justcommenting5117 the problem eventually discussed in the video is the same I commented. The initial problem
      "what is bigger, 2^∞ or ∞²"
      has more than one interpretation. Actually, it has infinite interpretations. But the narrator of the video interprets it as comparing
      2^x with x²
      I was just silly with my comment, because I agree with OP. What's done in the video is not Math. AI voice? Poorly defined problem? Bad solution and comments? This video is just bad.

    • @megubin9449
      @megubin9449 Před 18 dny +2

      googology as a whole is meth

    • @samueldeandrade8535
      @samueldeandrade8535 Před 18 dny

      @@megubin9449 oh my Euler, are kidding me that "googology" is a thing? Haha. You are absolutely right. I didn't know the study of big numbers had a name! It is the numerical sibling of category theory, from the family Nonsense.

  • @DorianWhittlinger
    @DorianWhittlinger Před 29 dny +462

    Exponential graphs increase much faster than quadratic graphs

    • @jrpdude8486
      @jrpdude8486 Před 19 dny +3

      Yep

    • @milkingalmond2532
      @milkingalmond2532 Před 18 dny +3

      2^2 tends to infinity. Inf^2 is infinity

    • @filipe4134
      @filipe4134 Před 18 dny +9

      @@milkingalmond2532i guess you meant 2^x tends to infinity and infinity^x is infinity? Well it’s not that simple

    • @Mnaughten601
      @Mnaughten601 Před 14 dny

      @@milkingalmond2532they are both infinity.

    • @TosGD
      @TosGD Před 11 dny

      @@milkingalmond2532 2^2 is 4 stoop

  • @TheMatthewChannel4096
    @TheMatthewChannel4096 Před měsícem +796

    Before watching the video, im guessing that (if they are well defined) 2^infinity is WAYYYYY bigger than infinity^2 😂

    • @j.503
      @j.503 Před 19 dny +33

      Not sure they're well defined either but 2^Aleph-Null is taken as the Cardinality of the Reals.

    • @Roperdo7
      @Roperdo7 Před 18 dny +1

      same

    • @filipe4134
      @filipe4134 Před 18 dny +16

      not WAYYYYY bigger, infinitely bigger lol. Which means 1,000000000000001^infinity is also bigger than infinity^9999999999999999

    • @weo9473
      @weo9473 Před 18 dny +2

      Unless both are same

    • @stickliar5934
      @stickliar5934 Před 18 dny

      Yeah lol lol lol lol lol lol yeah yeah

  • @user-xi6td9uk6c
    @user-xi6td9uk6c Před 18 dny +244

    Let me explain: Infinity is not a number, as it is endless, both equations shown in the video are endless, so you cannot conclude with one of them being larger than the other. As infinity is not a number, both of the products are equal to infinity. For the people who ask if they are equal, no they are not, as they don’t represent a value. This is like saying infinity multiplied by infinity is larger than infinity.
    Edit: I would also will like to confirm that there was an another saying where a half circle was equal to its diameter whereas the proof, they made smaller semicircles that go infinitely to prove pi was equal to four, but this is just completely false, as dividing something by infinity, which does not represent a value, will not give a clear result of what you are looking for.
    Example: Calling 1/infinity = 0 is the same thing with calling 0 x infinity = 1

    • @lazarmendel3784
      @lazarmendel3784 Před 18 dny +4

      and if we use a number system that defines infinity?

    • @mrbutish
      @mrbutish Před 17 dny +3

      Infinity can be a finite number in calculus bro it is -1/12 = infinity size of sum of all natural numbers

    • @redstocat5455
      @redstocat5455 Před 17 dny +17

      ​@@mrbutish you confonded maths et meths

    • @shriyanshuj5130
      @shriyanshuj5130 Před 17 dny +8

      @@mrbutish that's false

    • @ccbgaming6994
      @ccbgaming6994 Před 16 dny +7

      @mrbutish Average Numberphile viewer

  • @AnshikaSingh-ot3ez
    @AnshikaSingh-ot3ez Před 16 dny +8

    Math isnt mathinnng

  • @MahmoudSabry-wr2im
    @MahmoudSabry-wr2im Před 27 dny +175

    I think the answer is based on a wrong assumption - you deal with infinity as a definitive number as 10. I don't think that is mathematically correct, accordingly the proof is incorrect.

    • @csd1597
      @csd1597 Před 22 dny +28

      He only used 10 to show that 2^x grows faster than x^2

    • @bigfgreatsword
      @bigfgreatsword Před 21 dnem +5

      That was just the observation

    • @terryrodgers9560
      @terryrodgers9560 Před 20 dny +8

      They are both equal because they are both infinite numbers

    • @qloxer1264
      @qloxer1264 Před 20 dny +16

      How it basically works is he is taking the limit of x as x approaches infinity. Since infinity isn’t a number and just a concept, you can’t actually evaluate 2 to the infinity or infinity to the 2, but rather you can observe the pattern as some variable x approaches a ridiculously large number that we represent with infinity, and conclude which is larger. When he showed the graph at the end, you could see that the graph of 2 to the x grew much faster than x squared, showing that it will be larger and larger the farther you go out, and the closer you get to infinity.

    • @methatis3013
      @methatis3013 Před 19 dny +5

      ​@@qloxer1264this doesn't work though. He assumed both infinites grow the same (Im, of course, being hyperbolic here)
      If you wanted to compare ♾² to 2^♾, you would be more correct in taking the limit as (x, y) goes to (+♾, +♾) of x²/(2^y) or (2^y)/x² or any other combination. However, none of these limits exist. Simple example, take the limit as (x, y) goes to (+♾, +♾) along the curve
      y=2log_2(x)
      of x²/(2^y)
      This limit is equal to
      lim[x->+♾] (x²/x²) = 1
      It is easily shown that the limit along the curve y=x is equal to 0. Since we found 2 different curves with different limits, it means that the beginning limit does not exist.
      In other words, 2^♾ can be almost anything in relation to ♾²

  • @hayn10
    @hayn10 Před měsícem +86

    2^infinity would be uncountable infinity

    • @aoyuki1409
      @aoyuki1409 Před měsícem +6

      2^inf is still countable infinity, just larger than inf^2
      uncountable infinity typically refers to a series of sets, not one singular set of numbers.

    • @hayn10
      @hayn10 Před měsícem +10

      @@aoyuki1409 but it represents the power set of all the natural numbers and cantors diagonal argument shows it is uncountable infinity right? correct me if i am wrong

    • @aoyuki1409
      @aoyuki1409 Před měsícem

      @@hayn10 im not sure myself, but i dont think 2^infinite cantors diagonal argument. it is just 2x2x2x2x2x2x2.... forever, not 2^1 + 2^2 + 2^3 .... that would be lim x->inf (2^x) and that would be uncountable infinity

    • @Person-ef4xj
      @Person-ef4xj Před 20 dny

      ​@@aoyuki1409The number of possible combinations of numbers you can get with 2 numbers, such as 0 and 1, with n being the number of numbers, in the combination is 2^n, meaning that the number of possible combinations you can get from a countably infinity number of 1s and 0s is 2^aleph0, with aleph0 being the number of integers or the only countable infinity. If you list different combinations of the 0s and 1s you find that the diagonal argument does work to prove that the number of combinations of 0s and 1s cannot be countably infinity, so the diagonal argument can be used to prove that 2^aleph0 is uncountably infinite, and 2^infinity must be at least 2^aleph0 so if 2^aleph0 is uncountably infinite than 2^infinity is necessarily uncountably infinite.

    • @methatis3013
      @methatis3013 Před 19 dny

      ​@@hayn10you are wrong. 2^♾ is meaningless. 2^א0 is a notation which represents the cardinality of the powerset of natural numbers. But this is definitelly not the same as 2^♾.

  • @Inspirator_AG112
    @Inspirator_AG112 Před měsícem +42

    From the limit, the left one is larger(oof with needing to correct this).

    • @methatis3013
      @methatis3013 Před 19 dny

      From the limit, the limit does not exist. Either one can be "larger" than the other

    • @Inspirator_AG112
      @Inspirator_AG112 Před 19 dny +1

      @@methatis3013:
      Both have an infinite limit regardless of context, and I am talking about the limit as x approaches infinity.

    • @methatis3013
      @methatis3013 Před 19 dny +1

      @@Inspirator_AG112 thing is, you cannot take the limit as x goes to infinity of x²/(2^x). This will give you 0, that's true. However, we are comparing ♾ to ♾. No one says these 2 need to grow the same. In order to make a rigorous argument, you would need to take the limit as (x,y) goes to (+♾,+♾) of x²/(2^y). This limit, however, does not exist. If you take the limit along the curve y=x, you get the former result which is equal to 0. However, if you take the limit along the curve y=2log_2(x), you get that the limit is equal to 1. Since you get 2 different results for the same limit, the limit does not exist.
      This is a consequence of the fact that you can write down ♾ as
      2*♾ = 2*log_2(♾), so 2^♾ can be written as ♾². Alternatively,
      ♾²=(2^♾)² >= 2^♾
      This is less rigorous, of course, but I provided a more rigorous argument earlier

  • @Rip_Red909
    @Rip_Red909 Před 22 dny +6

    It’s more dependent on the context in which you see this problem. For example, in set theory, 2^infinity is technically qualitatively superior in terms of cardinality as it is a power set. Outside of bigger infinites, they are equal as in the end shown by desmos, they both ultimately reach infinity either way.

  • @Adr14nusRA
    @Adr14nusRA Před 19 dny +21

    Infinity is not a concept that we can define so easily but from my perspective, by definition infinity is a number greater than all positive numbers, infinity multiplied by itself is just infinity and 2 to the power of infinity will always be a natural positive number since we are just multiplying by 2 every time so infinity is just larger.

    • @mattoucas869
      @mattoucas869 Před 14 dny

      Is it a number though? Any number you'd associate with it would be smaller and you can't write it down.

    • @herobrine_anims
      @herobrine_anims Před dnem

      ​@mattoucas869 but then
      The second one is inf times inf which is logically higher than 2 times inf

    • @mattoucas869
      @mattoucas869 Před dnem

      @@herobrine_anims Well, not really. Nothing is greater than infinity or else that would contradict its definition. I think infinity × infinity = infinity because infinity = infinity × infinity... blah blah blah maybe. Idk, I'm not a mathematician so you should ask someone else.

  • @lucasmita3058
    @lucasmita3058 Před 8 dny +2

    When I studied limit and continuity mathematics, I was taught that if I want to make a comparison of this type, the best idea is to try very large numbers with tendencies to infinity as long as they are calculable and allow it to be applied to all cases.
    I checked by making a comparison between 2^1000 and 1000^2 and it turns out that 2^1000 is greater.
    If we constantly raise the numerical value of the exponent of "2^1000" and compare it with the numerical value resulting from constantly raising the base of "1000^2" the first case will always be greater.
    For those who are confused, the value "1000" in both cases represents infinities since when graphing and playing with infinities, you usually take very large values ​​close to where a function tends to infinities.
    So, in my opinion, without having seen the video yet, I think that 2 to the power of infinity is greater than infinity squared.

  • @snks_65
    @snks_65 Před 19 dny +8

    This isn't math, this is DESMOS.

    • @piotrek5s170
      @piotrek5s170 Před 17 dny +2

      sorry but thats still math

    • @Alexey_Emelyanov
      @Alexey_Emelyanov Před 13 dny

      - это Красти Крабс?
      - нет это Патрик

    • @Alexey_Emelyanov
      @Alexey_Emelyanov Před 13 dny

      Это Красти Крабс? Нет это Патрик

  • @sg4yaris
    @sg4yaris Před měsícem +2

    what if you set infinity in the right term as 2^∞? this is also infity and in this case the right term would be larger, right?

  • @viperdemonz-jenkins
    @viperdemonz-jenkins Před 27 dny +7

    they are both undefined as infinite has no answer.

    • @methatis3013
      @methatis3013 Před 19 dny +1

      ​@@Alt.Nit is still false though. If you are comparing 2^♾ to ♾², you should take the limit as (x,y) goes to (+♾,+♾) of something like x²/(2^y). This limit, however, does not exist

  • @bointasalexandros6645
    @bointasalexandros6645 Před 20 dny +1

    Man is so underrated, great video!🔥

  • @JayTemple
    @JayTemple Před měsícem +7

    I think you're mistaken. There is a 1-1 correspondence between the real numbers in the interval [0, 1) and the infinite cross-product Z1 x Z1 x Z1 ... (Z = {0, 1}). The former set has cardinality aleph-sub-C. There is a 1-1 correspondence between Z x Z and Z itself, which has cardinality aleph-sub-0. The rules for counting tell us that the former set should have 2^infinity elements and the latter infinity^2 elements. So, 2^infinity = alephC > aleph0 = infinity^2.

    • @walidjabari4985
      @walidjabari4985 Před měsícem

      Why is he mistaken?

    • @JayTemple
      @JayTemple Před měsícem

      ​@@walidjabari49852 ^ infinity is the cardinality of the real number line, which is UNcountably infinite, but infinity squared is only countably infinite.

  • @StevenTorrey
    @StevenTorrey Před 16 dny +2

    So in general, when we get a problem, which is larger 10^100 or 100^10 power, we can conclude that 10^100 power will always be larger?
    And sure enough 10^100 = 1^100 while 100^10 = 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,

  • @foxe2087
    @foxe2087 Před měsícem +13

    so youre telling me that the count of infinitely many people in infinitely many lines is smaller than just infinitely many people in one line

    • @omgdodogamer4759
      @omgdodogamer4759 Před 22 dny +4

      what if the real infinity was the friends we made along the way?

    • @lyrimetacurl0
      @lyrimetacurl0 Před 20 dny +1

      It's infinitely many people in infinitely many lines in 2 dimensions vs a cube 2 people across in infinite dimensions.

    • @clowncircus-dm3fd
      @clowncircus-dm3fd Před 15 dny

      @@lyrimetacurl0what is a cube 2? I understand the infinite dimensions part because that’s the exponent but does it mean 2 people across infinite dimensions

    • @ef-tee
      @ef-tee Před 14 dny

      @@clowncircus-dm3fd I think 2 people across just the hypercube has a side length of 2 people

    • @clowncircus-dm3fd
      @clowncircus-dm3fd Před 13 dny

      @@ef-tee so a hyper cube with side length 2 vs an infinite plane?

  • @tylerbakeman
    @tylerbakeman Před měsícem +21

    Technically, indeterminate.
    However, in CS, O(n) is considerably smaller than O(a^n)

    • @tylerbakeman
      @tylerbakeman Před měsícem +2

      *O(n^2) is still smaller

    • @ef-tee
      @ef-tee Před 14 dny

      I would be very worried if infinity appeared in my complexity analysis...

  • @mosesmukambojr8707
    @mosesmukambojr8707 Před dnem

    Thanks for this explanation.

  • @Mnaughten601
    @Mnaughten601 Před 14 dny

    I agree with your assessment to a point, but each of these will be infinite, furthermore I can create a 1-1 correspondence between them. So in fact they are the same infinity.

  • @colinr5817
    @colinr5817 Před 23 dny +4

    IF you think about it, nothing is larger. Its basically the same as comparing infinity to infinity. Infinity cannot be measured because its magnitude can expand... Infinitely. Infinity is not a constant unlike the ones substituted in the video, so regular concepts cannot be applied.

    • @superkaras588
      @superkaras588 Před 6 dny +1

      yes, but technicaly speaking, one infinite number can be larger than the other
      you can't say that 2*infinity = infinity just because they're both infinite numbers, right?
      if we divide both sides by infinity, we'll get 2*1 = 1 or 2 = 1 wich isn't right, wich means that 2*infinity is bigger than just infinity, proving that one infinite number can be larger than the other

    • @colinr5817
      @colinr5817 Před 4 dny +1

      @@superkaras588 Well, infinity is not a fixed value. So anything you add or subtract to it won't do anything, as it will still be infinity

  • @user-gk5zm3jf1x
    @user-gk5zm3jf1x Před 10 dny +1

    Use monotonicity of x^1/x ... It would be a simple question

  • @xavierburval4128
    @xavierburval4128 Před 14 dny +3

    This better be a parody or something.

  • @fromant65
    @fromant65 Před 21 dnem +1

    lim[x->∞] x^2/2^x = lim[x->∞] ln(x^2)/ln(2^x) = lim[x->∞] 2ln(x)/xln(2) = 2/ln(2) lim[x->∞] ln(x)/x = 0. Therefore what's said in the video is true
    Also, if you think about it with computability theorems, ∞^2 could refer to any infinite set multiplied (cartesian product) by itself. For example N×N. Then 2^∞ could refer to any infinite sequence of pairs of elements (it has to be the same infinite as before) which is basically [a,b]^N. You could make an bijective function from N×N to {a,b}^N because that last set is a numerable union of numerable sets, therefore N×N~{a,b}^N, so if you think about it this way, what's said in the video is not true
    I use N because I want to mantain coherence when going from one set to another, and 2^∞ only makes sense in the context of infinite sequences of pairs, therefore that ∞ must be numerable. Also, I assume both infinities have to be the same; if you use R×R, suddenly 2^∞ is smaller than ∞^2
    One less Orthodox approach I'd like to use is thinking about 2^∞ and ∞^2 as the cardinals of infinite sets. Given an infinite set A such that |A|=∞, it's provable that ∞^2=∞ (or A×A~A), and that 2^∞ is the cardinal of the parts set of A, i.e. |P(a)|=2^∞, because for finite sets of size n, |P(a)|=2ⁿ. And it's also provable that there's no injective function from P(A) to A for any set A, therefore 2^∞ is bigger than ∞^2 in this context
    As a final note, it's 6 am, I have to give a class in 1 hour and take a test in about 4 hours. I would greatly hate myself in the future for using so much brain power for this comment

    • @fromant65
      @fromant65 Před 21 dnem +1

      Oops it seems I've made a mistake, it turns out that you cannot make a bijective function from N×N to {a,b}^N
      There are four possible pairs made from {a,b}: {a,b},{b,a},{a,a},{b,b}. Let's call them in order A,B,C,D
      If such bijective function exists, we can map every infinite sequence of these pairs to a natural number. So there should be a table like:
      1: ABDACBDA...
      2: BDABCADB...
      ...
      Where each natural number is associated to an infinite sequence of these pairs
      Then, let's say that the order of these pair is circular: B follows to A, C follows to B, D follows to C and A follows to D.
      If such table exists, we can construct any sequence and it should be in the table
      So let's made a sequence. For each position i in N of the sequence S, S[i]=Next(T[i,i]) where T[A,B] represents the pair in the position B of the A number of the table (so basically we use the pairs in the diagonal of the table)
      Now lets make an arbitrary table:
      1: ABCD...
      2: BACD...
      3: CBDA...
      4: DABC...
      With this table, our sequence would be BBAD..., which is not in the table. Moreover, if we keep adding pairs, the sequence will not be in the table, because it at least differs in one pair with the sequence in position i in the list.
      So there's a sequence which is not in the list, which in theory contained all the sequences. So such list and table don't exist. Therefore there's not such bijective function. And we've proven that |N×N|

  • @autumn948
    @autumn948 Před měsícem +30

    fuck yeah, i love this! abstract math at its finest

    • @ef-tee
      @ef-tee Před 14 dny

      it uses a very non-abstract proof though, which is also wrong 😂

  • @truth8526
    @truth8526 Před 24 dny +3

    Debate of the Century.

    • @aykarain
      @aykarain Před 22 dny

      its either 2^infinity or theyre the same

  • @ValkyRiver
    @ValkyRiver Před 19 dny +1

    It depends on what you mean by infinity, but if you meant lim x->inf 2^x / x^2, the result goes to inf

  • @mrgamepigeon6586
    @mrgamepigeon6586 Před 19 dny +1

    You can also do this with limits. If you have a fraction with x squared as the numerator and 2 raised to the power x as the denominator, if the function approaches 0 as x approaches infinity then 2 raised to the power x is greater. However, if you have a fraction with 2 raised to the power x in the numerator and x squared in the denominator, if the function approaches infinity as x approaches infinity, 2 raised to the power x is larger still. Using this method, We can see that the limit of 2 raised to the power x as x approaches infinity is larger than the limit of x squared as x approaches infinity. Now the question is by how much?

    • @Fatima-yg4bh
      @Fatima-yg4bh Před 18 dny

      Niceee, I learnt about limits this year and this is good!

  • @RuyVuusen
    @RuyVuusen Před 16 dny

    From how I understand it, with your method both are countably infinite if you first restrict them to natural numbers: if you specify a certain member of an infinite set where each member is represented as 2^n or n^2 with any natural n, you can count through all the natural numbers until you reach n, and thus when n→∞, you can still count up to there, even if it takes an infinite amount of time. A bigger infinity you wouldn't be able to count up to even with unlimited time (kinda like how you can't count up from every real in-between 0.23 and 0.24 since you can simply add more digits).
    Because both sets are one-to-one correspondent with the set of natural numbers, they are equally infinite. Countable infinities are considered the smallest between infinities of different sizes because they have the cardinality of natural numbers (aleph-null).
    Now, since you counted them up with the set of real numbers, we can use similar logic to conclude both have the cardinality of real numbers and, thus, should be the same size.
    Do correct me if I'm wrong.

  • @PREGO1966
    @PREGO1966 Před 18 dny

    I appreciate the explanation. Compared to most recent math videos on here, it is understandable and MAY be agreed with. Notice I said "may". It doesn't mean, that I agree or disagree with it.. The truth is where I was raised, we were taught not to treat the "lazy 8" symbol an individual number. Most people do, and hence the explanation in this video. Where I was brought up, the infinity symbol basically meant a value that increases without bounds. Since the exponent in increasing without bound in the first expression, and the base is in the second, there is no way to tell which value is in really higher. But since the video indicates hints that an expression with a lower base and a higher exponent. than reversing it using the same numbers (in other words the same higher exponent now the base, and the same lower base now the exponent), it appears that the first expression would be higher. The catch is as shown, the same numbers have to be experimented with each as base and exponent. If one is changed for the second expression, this could make a difference.

  • @kubami5543
    @kubami5543 Před 6 dny +2

    There is not such thing as larger or not when they are both infinitely big...

  • @huntcringedown2721
    @huntcringedown2721 Před 18 dny +2

    Obviously equal. Infinity means it never stops, so no matter what configuration you choose, the result of both equations is infinity. By your explanations one should be larger than the other, but if you put actual numbers in there, they will be equally inifinite

    • @bleudauvergne5852
      @bleudauvergne5852 Před 16 dny

      Some infinities are bigger than others in math.

    • @ef-tee
      @ef-tee Před 14 dny

      infinity^2 is countably infinite, but 2^infinity is incountably infinite (see the Wikipedia entry for Cantor's diagonal argument, for example) so they can actually be ordered (cardinal numbers etc.) Although I would be careful using the words bigger/smaller for these concepts. Also the proof in the video is wrong because it assumes infinity is a number, so you are right in that regard

  • @martynpage1794
    @martynpage1794 Před 17 dny

    Thanks for posting this. It illustrates on of great difficulties when thinking about infinities. For example, which is larger infinity or infinity + 1? Your reasoning must conclude infinity + 1. Just draw the graphs for y = x and y = x + 1

    • @theRealMaMo
      @theRealMaMo Před 11 dny +1

      Infinity is not a number so it doesnt make sense what you are saying also. Infinity+1 and infinity will still both equal infinty in the end. That just proves you have no idea how set theory works

    • @martynpage1794
      @martynpage1794 Před 9 dny

      @@theRealMaMo it was actually the point I was trying to make. Just proves you have no idea about nuance.

  • @mjceducationchannel4478

    Simply do it using mathematical induction /using derivative to find rate of increase

  • @BidenBlessesYou
    @BidenBlessesYou Před 17 dny

    it depends on what that ∞ represents.
    if that ∞ represents limit, 2^∞ > ∞^2.
    lim(x→∞) (2^x)/x² = ∞.
    if that ∞ represents transfinite cardinial, like Aleph0,
    2^Aleph0 > Aleph0 = (Aleph0)^2
    2^Aleph0 is cardinality of all real numbers while (Aleph0)^2 is still Aleph0.
    if that ∞ represents transfinite ordinal, like omega,
    2^omega = omega < omega².
    the limit ordinal of {2, 4, 8, 16, ...} is a number that comes right after all natural numbers, which is equivalent to omega. omega² is defined as limit ordinal of {omega, omega2, omega3, ...}.

  • @uart341
    @uart341 Před 14 dny

    Infinity squared = infinity * infinity
    2 ^ infinity = 2 ^ (2 ^ (infinity/2)) = 2^2^infinity since halfing an infinite number is still infinite, it gives you
    4^infinity
    If you repeat this cycles, you get
    X^infinity where X goes towards infinity, which gives you
    Infinity ^ Infinity which is bigger then infinity ^ 2

  • @MazziniFan
    @MazziniFan Před 6 dny +1

    Logic is flawed. Infinity is not finite

  • @gregstunts347
    @gregstunts347 Před 12 dny

    Either one can be bigger than the other. The only way to have a definitive answer, is within a limit. It entirely depends on how fast the infinity on the left increases relative to the infinity on the right.
    If we set both uses of infinities to be x as x approaches infinity, then you do indeed get the result in the video. However, If we set the infinity on the left (I’ll notate with L) to be log2(R) (where R is the infinity on the right), L and R still both approach infinity. And yet the expression on the right hand side will be greater instead.

  • @accessoryat3331
    @accessoryat3331 Před 9 dny +1

    The biggest possible mistake is that it is assumed two infinity are equal. If not, the answer would be uncertain.

  • @FahdCoolArab1002
    @FahdCoolArab1002 Před 11 dny +1

    Infinity to the power of two is larger because you cant get to infinity starting with a finite number like two. Two to the power of infinity will just keep multiplying, and never get to infinity while infinity to the power of two is already infinity, meaning that infinity to the power of two is bigger.

    • @theRealMaMo
      @theRealMaMo Před 11 dny

      If you repeat for infinite times you will get to infinity this is simple logic

  • @dtikvxcdgjbv7975
    @dtikvxcdgjbv7975 Před 19 dny

    Use more different colors in graphs, with emphasized intersection points

  • @dracugaming4377
    @dracugaming4377 Před měsícem +1

    Take limit of x to infinity, and calculate the derivative of (2^x) / (x^2) using L'Hospital's rule. Using this method 2^x is larger, so 2^ infinity is larger

  • @tschetscher
    @tschetscher Před 12 dny

    Let n approach infinity, if you multiply 2 n times, and that n approaches infinity, 2^n would also approach infinity. n squared, as n approaches infinity is also well approaching infinity. And that’s also shown on the graph, they aren’t limited upper-bound, so they will continue to increase, thus neither of them is bigger than the other one.

  • @creatordip9900
    @creatordip9900 Před 3 dny

    Alternative ways to think
    1. Go through limit approach and apply L-H rule and find value of limit
    2. Remember exponential always dominant with respect to polynomial

  • @OneWeirdDude
    @OneWeirdDude Před 19 dny +1

    Except they both go to infinity, so they are the same.

    • @Fatima-yg4bh
      @Fatima-yg4bh Před 18 dny

      No, when dealing with functions' limits, being able to compare infinities is important. ♾️/♾️ Could be infinity or could be 0, depending on which one's bigger. Hope this helps!

    • @BidenBlessesYou
      @BidenBlessesYou Před 17 dny

      both going to infinity does not imply that they are the same.

  • @vedanshbudhia8148
    @vedanshbudhia8148 Před 12 dny

    You could transform this into a limits question, lim x--> ∞ 2^x/x^2. If answer is greater than 1 then 2^x is greater

  • @kenhaley4
    @kenhaley4 Před 18 dny +5

    Problem: Infinity is not a number. But if you want to use it as a number then both sides evaluate to infinity. Therefore they're equal. The only way you could show otherwise would be to show that one infinity has a higher cardinality than the other. This wan't addressed in this video. Georg Cantor showed that the number of positive integers (1, 2, 3, ...) is EQUAL to the number of infinitely dense rational numbers, even though there are an infinite number of rational numbers between any two poitive integers. Both infinite sets have the same cardinality and therefore considered equal.

  • @lily_littleangel
    @lily_littleangel Před 20 dny +2

    It depends. Are we using ordinal exponentiation or cardinal? In the former they are equal, but in the latter they are different. (Or is infinity² larger in the former case? I don't remember...)

    • @methatis3013
      @methatis3013 Před 19 dny

      ♾ is not an ordinal nor a cardinal

    • @BidenBlessesYou
      @BidenBlessesYou Před 17 dny

      yep omega² is bigger than 2^omega.

    • @methatis3013
      @methatis3013 Před 17 dny

      @@BidenBlessesYou why are you assuming ♾=ω tho? Why couldn't ♾=2log_2(ω) for example? Why couldn't the first ♾ be ω and second ♾ be 2^2^ω?

    • @BidenBlessesYou
      @BidenBlessesYou Před 17 dny

      @@methatis3013 I just tried to give an example of 2^∞

    • @methatis3013
      @methatis3013 Před 17 dny

      @@BidenBlessesYou if you consider ω to be an "infinite numebr", then so can all numbers larger than ω be considered "infinite numbers". If you set ♾=ω, you are effectively saying ω+1>♾, which is nonsensical

  • @bigfgreatsword
    @bigfgreatsword Před 21 dnem +1

    Personally, I'd prove the limit as x approaches infinity of 2^x/x^2

  • @diht
    @diht Před 15 dny

    Me when continuum theorem:

  • @user-ky5dy5hl4d
    @user-ky5dy5hl4d Před 24 dny +1

    Place an infinite amount of points on a circumference of a circle. Then pick any point of your choice on the circumference. Add one to that point or subtract one from that point. How far have you moved on the circumference in radians?

    • @mistahmatrix
      @mistahmatrix Před 22 dny +1

      Add one of what? If you mean move up a different point, that would be 0 radians, since a circle is defined as all points a certain distance away from a center.

    • @user-ky5dy5hl4d
      @user-ky5dy5hl4d Před 22 dny

      @@mistahmatrix Do you understand the concept of one? (1)? Because I can prove that 1x0=1.

    • @jizert
      @jizert Před 21 dnem

      @@user-ky5dy5hl4d your units arent clear. "1" is a mathematical object itself representing a set. adding 1 apple? 1 banana? 1 radian? 1 degree?

    • @georgepetrou501
      @georgepetrou501 Před 21 dnem +1

      ​@@user-ky5dy5hl4d no, he's right, your question doesn't make sense

    • @user-ky5dy5hl4d
      @user-ky5dy5hl4d Před 21 dnem

      @@georgepetrou501 All questions make sense. Answers do not. I see you are or were a gymnast. So was I. Unless I see a crucifix.

  • @FluffyTheGamerWolf55
    @FluffyTheGamerWolf55 Před 12 dny

    They are both infinity, but if we talking about a countable infinity, 2^inf is larger because it starts off slower and gets really big really fast. 2^15 is 32768. And 15^2 is only 225

  • @azhanmd2680
    @azhanmd2680 Před 7 dny

    on if the value of x=3 in X² and 2^X
    The value of X² is greater by just 1 rather than that in all the values 2^X is greater

  • @Aaditya.889
    @Aaditya.889 Před 21 hodinou

    It is a Similar question to the question in jee advanced as it was to Compare π^e and e^π

  • @sulitjc5yearsago421
    @sulitjc5yearsago421 Před 12 dny

    Infinity is not a number, it's a concept

  • @filipe4134
    @filipe4134 Před 18 dny

    very interesting video! i wish tho that you played a little bit with your proof there because going a little further you could prove that any number larger than 1 to the power of infinity is larger than the infinity to the power of any real number. Which means 1,0000000001^infinity is larger than infinity^999999999999 and that’s really fucking impressive lol.

  • @Izzythemaker127
    @Izzythemaker127 Před 13 dny

    These are both equal to infinity, what is presented in the video is more a question of limits. For example if you had (2ˣ)-(x²), after the 3rd intersection point, it would always be a positive number, meaning the first is larger. This means that as x goes to infinity, the left side grows faster than the right side, and thus would overpower it, which would make it "larger"(for any finite number, x-y is positive if and only if x>y, so this is a reasonable pattern to carry over to infinite numbers.) In calculus this can be applied more generally as things that aren't the highest degree not mattering(eg. x³ will overpower x², because 3>2.) Cool video, but the presentation of the problem is a bit misleading.

  • @SuryaBudimansyah
    @SuryaBudimansyah Před měsícem

    When you compare Megabit (MB) and Mebibit (MiB)

  • @kbe9947
    @kbe9947 Před 17 dny

    I won't split hairs about the use of infinity. I assumed that the video is about the limit. The video has a nice, reasonable start with "let's try a few exmples to get a better idea", but there is no real proof at the end.
    For a real proof, you can start with the hypothesis 2^x > x^2 for x>1. Then take the natural logarithm on both sides to get x*ln(2) > 2*ln(x) or approximately x > ln(x)*2.89. It is already known that ln(x) eventually grows slower than x (that's why logarithmic amplifiers are used for signal compression). Therefore, eventually x will be larger than ln(x)*2.89, which proves the hypothesis for large enough x, in particular when approaching infinity.

  • @amazingfireboy1848
    @amazingfireboy1848 Před 11 dny

    Don't treat infinity like a number though, since there's a lot of rules in many equations that wouldn't work if infinity was a number. Infinity breaks the system, so it's treated instead as a concept.

  • @MoustafaAbdelghani-gb1lw

    Bro took"infinity war" literally

  • @hasanmohammed3690
    @hasanmohammed3690 Před 12 dny +1

    in the end they're both equal... there is no number larger than infinity

  • @684_
    @684_ Před 20 dny

    How tf bro only have 160 subscribers

  • @ESeth-xb5cu
    @ESeth-xb5cu Před 3 hodinami

    Both are the same truthfully but in a limit way its 2^inf

  • @tnt5320
    @tnt5320 Před 22 dny

    Well yeah my thought process tho is that, 2^infnity never ever ends you just get bigger and bigger numbers while infinity² is just infinity i think and infinity is always bigger than any number you get no matter how large, if you keep mutiplying by 2 even to the end of time

    • @jizert
      @jizert Před 21 dnem +1

      i think he is just using a weird notation to say "which goes to infinity quicker as we increase n, 2ⁿ or n²?"

  • @reflex9238
    @reflex9238 Před 14 dny

    This is easy, just looking at the growth 2 to the power of x will always excess the growth of x squared. So 2 to the infinity power is bigger than infinity squared. Video over

  • @kaavyasri2705
    @kaavyasri2705 Před 23 dny

    Good question... As infinity itself undefinable... Comparing two such may lead to illusion though mathematically logically true

  • @richardhutnik
    @richardhutnik Před 18 dny

    2 multiplied by itself equals infinity. Infinity squared is an unbound set of unbound sets. Largeness is not relevant when something is unbound.

  • @quaxky326
    @quaxky326 Před 19 dny

    It’s probably me ngl ( Im just built like that )

  • @pelayomedina2174
    @pelayomedina2174 Před 11 dny +1

    2^x > x^2 if x>4 so infinity is clearly higher than 4

  • @g14357
    @g14357 Před 14 dny

    Actually, in cardinal, 2^infinity is bigger than Infinity^2. However, in ordinal, 2^infinity is smaller.

  • @DarthVader-JEDI
    @DarthVader-JEDI Před 9 dny

    Rule 1 = No 2 infinities are equal
    But if we are comparing with same infinity
    Then
    limn→∞2ⁿ/n²=∞ .... Therefore 2^∞ is absolutely larger in comparison

  • @sevilladescenso6911
    @sevilladescenso6911 Před 7 dny +1

    but in in fisrt one the maximum number u can obtain is infinite, as in the second one is infinite times infinite. Not the same

  • @F.R.E.D.D2986
    @F.R.E.D.D2986 Před 15 dny

    Well, they're the same
    Infinity isn't a number, its a concept, it just means it goes on forever

  • @padmasangale8194
    @padmasangale8194 Před 21 dnem +2

    *"But bro ∞ is an unstoppable thing. So 2^∞ is ∞ and ∞² is also ∞ so both are equal. For 2^x and x², if x is finite then only we can say 2^x>>>x² (only if x is finite). But if x is ∞ they are non comparable as ∞,∞²,∞³,∞^∞,2^∞... All are equal as all tends to ∞. If u considered ∞ as a very large number then only 2^∞>>∞². But the definition of ∞ says it's an unstoppable value so all ∞,∞²,∞³,∞^∞,2^∞... Are equal"👍*

    • @lyrimetacurl0
      @lyrimetacurl0 Před 20 dny

      So the points cross at 0, 4, infinity and maybe (infinity-4)

  • @esma-85
    @esma-85 Před 15 dny

    In my logic if you add or substract anything or multiply or divide anything by infinity it equals infinity

  • @davidtischer752
    @davidtischer752 Před 22 dny +1

    Infinity can’t be treated as a number it’s a concept, there is no difference between infinity^2 and 2^infinity, this video is fundamentally wrong to even compare the two. Of course if said infinity was a number 2^n would be larger than n^2

    • @jizert
      @jizert Před 21 dnem +1

      i think he is just using a weird notation to ask which diverges quickerr

  • @doirit
    @doirit Před 16 dny +1

    Technically they are equal
    Infinity is very strange number, so it don't have to act like others. No matter, ho many times me multiply infinity, it will be infinity. So, W^2 is infinity. 2×2×2×2.... Infinity times is obviously infinity. So, 2^W is olso infinity.
    W^2=2^W

  • @rajanisingh7388
    @rajanisingh7388 Před 10 dny

    It is impossible to guess which is bigger

  • @hieunek304
    @hieunek304 Před 20 dny

    They equal to other, greater than other and less than other at the same time

  • @dropedguy8937
    @dropedguy8937 Před 11 dny +1

    2^infinity is infinity
    infinity^2 is infinity of infinities
    easy

  • @omegasteve8485
    @omegasteve8485 Před 17 dny

    Its technically 2^infinity
    If you were to replace infinity with a countable number
    You’ll see that 2^(insert number) is larger than (insert number)^2

  • @yassirthelegend6517
    @yassirthelegend6517 Před 10 dny

    Our first question should be "what is infinity"

  • @The_Zerous_One
    @The_Zerous_One Před 10 dny +1

    How about ∞^2 ?

  • @notverygamer8562
    @notverygamer8562 Před 22 dny +1

    this doesn't make any sense, how can infinity be smaller or larger?

    • @jizert
      @jizert Před 21 dnem +1

      hes just using notation for "which diverges quicker, n² or 2ⁿ"

  • @jamildedhia4231
    @jamildedhia4231 Před 15 dny +1

    Solving is Easier by log

  • @Yanu-sp3qc
    @Yanu-sp3qc Před 3 dny

    If we put both of these numbers into a grid perspective infinity to the power of two is a grid in which there is and infinite line and that infinite line is repeated infinitely to the side of the infinite line but two to the power of infinity is a grid with two dots double infinitely and is two line of infinity so infinite to the power of two is bigger

  • @mrbutish
    @mrbutish Před 17 dny

    Simple -1/12 = infinity, so -1/12 squared is indeed less than 2 powered to -1/12

  • @Terabyte1427
    @Terabyte1427 Před 20 dny

    This is exactly how I saw it with 2^10 > 10^2

  • @e-o_ThingXD69
    @e-o_ThingXD69 Před 19 dny

    2^infinity = 2^aleph-0 = aleph-1
    infinity^2 = aleph-0^2 = aleph-0
    WHICH ONE DO YOU THINK IT IS BIGGER? THE CARDINALITY OF THE REAL NUMBERS OR OF THE INTERGERS??

  • @StuMachInfinity
    @StuMachInfinity Před 15 dny

    Missed the chance to make it 8^∞ vs ∞^8 😂

  • @TailicaiCorporation
    @TailicaiCorporation Před 14 dny

    This shouldn’t matter I think… if infinity is involved the number is ALWAYS growing or infinity… so they both equal the same thing inherently.
    I haven’t done hardcore math in a long time, but since every number is being squared while 2 is being raised to the power of every number they still encompass the same parameters… right? Even numbers smaller than 1 keep getting smaller.
    This is why I SOMETIMES hate math. But mostly I love it. I makes some cool stuff

  • @akultechz2342
    @akultechz2342 Před 4 hodinami +1

    2^x > x² for x >>>

  • @superkaras588
    @superkaras588 Před 6 dny

    square root of infinity^2 is just infinity
    and suare root of 2^infinity is 2^(infinity/2)
    since infinity divided by 2 is still infinity, square root of 2^infinity > square root of infinity^2 and 2^infinity > infinity^2

  • @Hypersypher
    @Hypersypher Před 14 dny

    Ok, I don't completely get this but doesn't the infinite hotel problem say the opposite, that inf^2 is 2nd degree of infinity? E.g. no matter how many times you multiply by 2, you still just get a really large number - infinity - but if you square this infinity, you have infinitely many infinities?

  • @tastyfood2020
    @tastyfood2020 Před 12 dny

    You don't have to understand this with logarithms let me clear this short way
    Infinity is a thing so can't be multiplication divided
    If you take this infinity as a large number then it can be minus and divided but not multiple and add because nothing can be higher than large number no it can be lower
    2^infinity doesn't exist same for infinity^2
    But you can do this infinity-n and z≥0/infinity :)
    You can ask your class teacher does 2^infinity exist

  • @kknowlage9843
    @kknowlage9843 Před 20 dny

    I think infinity^2 larger, because:
    2^infinity is infinitely big set of numbers, while infinity^2 is infinitely big set of infinite sets of numbers.

  • @gyani7797
    @gyani7797 Před 22 dny +1

    Put x as 3 😂

  • @user-lb4gb9gj2j
    @user-lb4gb9gj2j Před 12 dny

    Answer is 2 power infinity