WARNING! Numbered Cards Are Not As Rare As You Think 😒
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- There's so many numbered parallels! Here's a warning to be careful when buying ultra modern numbered cards going forward.
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What alternatives to serial numbered cards do you think are investment worthy? I’ve been buying some case hit inserts, but even those are being printed more (more cases are being produced). I think investing in pre-2018 cards of stars is a lot safer since they were produced so much less (especially the late 2000s and early 2010s). Steph Curry and Giannis rookies, for example, are much less common than anything we’ve seen made in the last few years. What do you think is the best bet?
@@RockfromPhilly yawn
I noticed this with Select. So many parallels and numbered parallels. Great advice. We never really know for sure. Only Jesus knows what tomorrow holds. I think there is still huge growth in high graded cards of before 2019. Especially before around 1999
2014 NFL FOOTBALL YEAR IS VERY SHORT.
I think we need to consider the growth of the current hobby and supply/demand has grown from 2018 to current as well. That said, it all comes down to supply and demand. I do believe even with numerous parallels available, there will only be a few color parallels that will be more desirable than others.
Why did you skip over 2020 and not show those numbers?
So base cards have already been vilified, and parallels are becoming the new base….and now we shouldn’t go after numbered cards?? Not everyone has thousands of dollars to invest in high end cards. These influencers can’t even see it, but they are killing the sports card market.
They are complete Grifters my friend.
They dont really care about the market, they are in it for themselves.
Facts. It’s all about fear mongering now
Y’all just jealous
@@ansleyjamieson4115 jealous of what?
I've been in the hobby 32 years and refuse to now start letting so called "market movers" predict what I collect.
Me too 32 years!! This whole preface of investing usually ends in loss porn that no one talks about.
Collect what you love! I would never suggest otherwise. But if you partially collect and partially invest for long-term value, like I do, then I think my comments are relevant.
But you pump Kabooms…
Exactly, he probably doesn’t have numbered cards and wants the value to spike in other places…
True
So I can’t collect base cards, can’t collect non-numbered parallels, and now can’t even collect parallels that are numbered higher than /10? 😯… I’m pretty sure if there are truly MILLIONS of collectors out there, having a /99 or even a /199 would still be rare enough to make an extra couple bucks. Man even companies with a decent amount of subscribers have to get click baity… 🤦♂️
This is info from a guy buying $100k cards. He is out of touch with the base. He is just one of the gold ol' boys of the hobby
@@amigopuercoif he spent the same amount of $ on /50 and /99 as he does of his 1 of 1’s, he would have a cooler collection and would have made more $. You limit yourself when only selling to buyers in the 1 of 1 class.
Panini is printing way more and charging 10x more than it’s worth
I have NEVER disagreed MORE at a CZcams video ever in my life.
I can’t imagine Geoff wants to imply this, but the subtle (and troubling) subtext is, “if you can afford gold /10, 1 of 1’s, or even cards to /25, you’re golden. If you can’t afford these, the cards you collect from recent releases are destined to lose value.” To the common collector, this has the potential of engendering defeatism - a why-bother-collecting mentality.
@DEAD GRATEFUL spot on! Collect what you love. If value is the only thing you care about I think you will disappointed more times than not.
@DEAD GRATEFUL agreed. I'm so glad the 2020 boom switched me to PC player collecting and no more speculating and investing. I have since sold off almost everything to fund my PC player's card's
@DEAD GRATEFUL I agree 100%. I'll always remember ripping packs in 1974 and getting my favorite players and completing the set from that year. I started collecting again in the "junk wax" era with my 2 younger cousins and had that same joy, then Beckett price guides came along and made it a bit more fun to see what cards were "worth". Fast forward to 2022 at 61 years old, I have started buying some new cards and while they are MUCH more expensive to buy, I still get that same excitement of getting players I like and trying to complete a whole set. Sure it's fun to see the values of vintage or new cards and eventually I'll probably start getting my older cards graded to sell to help fund my retirement.
When you have over 100+ different 1/1 cards of one player in a given year they really aren't rare. Just buy what you like as others probably will down the road too.
He wasn’t saying the 6 months ago
Good to know, thank you for this information, I've just started to get back into the hobby after years of ignoring it after being screwed in the 90's by the card manufacturers.
I think serial numbered still is the way to go, even with /199s etc. For example the 1047 parallels under the /199 this year is still 443 less cards than Zions Silver Prizm PSA 10's currently.
Sell your serial numbered cards immediately! Buy vintage.
@@bryanrobinson9770 I have zero interest in vintage. Everyone buying players and getting all excited about vintage yet 99% of collectors/investors couldn't tell you what position Mickey Mantle played or which way he swung a bat. If you're going to invest/collect anyone you should be passionate about it and have good reasons behind it. It's why you won't see me getting into new baseball either as I have zero interest in their cards. If the card market fell to zero or even half tomorrow you should be happy with the assets you have still
@@FromTheBenchYT Vintage cards are like works of art. Look at a 73 Topps Stargell. Great photo. Now everything is bright and shiny and looks like a comic book.
@@jcb998 well luckily for a lot of people, comics are extremely popular too. With vintage, the grades have become the parallels at this point
I think the player and how their career plays out will be more important to effective prices then a few hundred extra cards here or there within a set
Yeah exactly, the reality is if the hobby stays as big as it is currently or grows, another couple hundred cards of a player won't make a big difference especially because at the end of the day they're still different parallels. There's still going to be those people who want a specific parallel.
The flip side is, if the hobby goes back into a lull like it did 20 years ago, it won't matter if you have 200 or 600 of a players card, I don't see it making a big difference in the ability to unload it if you need to, it'll probably just go for less which it will anyway if the market is in a lull.
I feel like a lot of these "investing" experts are shills of the industry who's real goal is to just keep getting people to dump money into it.
@@cardbored_ no its the opposite, they’re bringing awareness worldwide.
I’d rather have a 2021 blue numbered to 199 than a non numbered silver, hyper, or red wave. Regardless of how many serial numbered variants they make, they’ll always be more desirable than the non numbered. What do you expect? I learned nothing from this video. Collect who you like, enjoy the hobby, and you’ll be fine.
He's pretty weak at analysis..
He's not comparing the non-numbered sets. He's comparing the current numbered sets to the older numbered sets. His point is more recent overproduction - if you learned nothing you weren't paying attention. Value in the market goes in conjunction with supply and demand. There is 2x the supply of cards under that /199 parallel he uses as an example, so the value of a newer /199 is going to be much lower from a monetary perspective than the older /199 because of rarity (talking monetary value is sort of the point of this channel - if you are talking about collecting a card because you like it you are in the wrong place).
@@hellothere9645 It doesn’t matter how many variations of series numbered cards there are but rather the pop count of where the card is graded. Let’s say a red Jalen green numbered to 299, but maybe that card has a pop count of 20 that actually gems with a lot more that graded lower. So while these cards may not be rare from Panini’s printing standpoint, but a low PSA pop count will likely hold value and that’s typically what a lot of collectors are looking for.
@@peopleintrees No, pop count is artificial rarity. Pop count can continue to grow until the entire pop is graded. The way you are thinking almost doesn't consider any card that isn't graded which is a terrible approach. You still aren't thinking about supply vs. demand - there are going to be 2x of the pop if 2x cards are produced of the graded cards.
Look at the heritage blacks- chrome #ed to 73 worth more than the black not numbered printed to 50
Collect the original parallels: Silvers, Color Match, Gold and 1/1's. Also always pay attention to brands: Prizm, Optic, NT, Flawless. And just like stocks stick to whats proven: Hof's and future HOFr's.
You kind of forget about how many more people are holding sealed wax tho. Which then of course cuts out a ton of cards that actually make it the public
You're analysis is valid with the exception that the player is more important than the print run. You touched on it briefly at the end but I have to disagree with you that a B players low numbered card would be worth more than a A+ players. There is no way if Trevor Lawrence becomes a Tom Brady that his card out of /199 would be worth less than a 2019 rookie card out of /10, /25 or /50 of a player who becomes a Phillip Rivers. In the long term the player will always be the most important factor!
Ken Griffey Jr. , Frank Thomas, Chipper Jones.... Iconic players that defined an era and huge supply of cards due to overproduction. Supply matters now matter how iconic the player. Trout RC price reflects 2011 update production run morr than it reflects trout's cultural impact. because of trout.
@@testit1902
2011 update is not exactly a small run.
There's over 15k graded...
@@testit1902 my argument wasn't that over production wasn't an issue, it was that player selection is still the most important aspect. If your argument is that it's not because of Trout its because of the 2011 print run then why isn't Goldschmidts, Freemans, Altuves, or Sales Topps card worth as much as Trouts? A base Trout is worth more than any of those players next step up parallel card.
Player and brand are almost equally important. A lot of brands have no demand so they barely appreciate in price.
A Kuminga Mojo Prizm /25 will always be worth more than a LaMelo Court Kings level 4 because Court Kings has much less demand regardless of player
@@sp123 market sentiment about player and brand is of the moment but print run is for forever :). 51 bowman mantle or 52 Topps market opinion could change on that but print run won't. So for any given player the question of getting the rarest card vs the card with most CURRENT demand is deffinitly interesting. Often the market comes around to appreciating the truly rare item vs the en vouge item. But Jeff's thesis that numbered cards are not as rare as they once were is well taken. How many 1/1s are there and is a gold wave vs a true gold really different enough to be unique or are they good enough comps to be considered all part of one numbered card population.
Hey, this subject sounds familiar ;)
Great information, thank you and keep up the great content.
Thanks for the awesome info!!! appreciate it!
Here is my take. If there are 1200 #ed cards all together for a player of a star to be. Then by time that player gets too GOAT level I would think there would be more collectors/buyers of said player that the 1200 #ed cards would still be worth a lot of money. Does that make sense ?
Definitely a valid point Geoff - with the massive number of parallels being produced in todays market there is no way the card prices can sustain it. Similar to the high volume of cards produced during the late 80s and early/mid 90s, the only difference here is a lot shinier product and 19 different parallels which demands a higher cost.
I did a similar exploration to this on my channel awhile back, but with 20-21 Select basketball. I found that one particularly crazy because you have so many parallels, but then you also have the Concourse, Premier and Courtside variations as well (each variation having its own parallels). I can't recall the exact number, but LaMelo Ball had over 2000 numbered parallels from Select (not including inserts, many of which also had their own parallels). Crazy stuff. Tricks of manufactured scarcity.
That was a great break down! The education is spreading
Agreed but still fun to collect all those variations
do you know the print runs on each elephant print?
I think numbered cards will still be desirable long term. A lot of players’ popularity grow over the long run and if there is a million Ja Morant fans and there is only #’d to 50 Ja Morant Gold Parallel then those cards will only go to the biggest bidders.
Everyone tries to always find some way to warm people or excite people with zero backing and unfortunately, none of it ever comes true. I get content is needed and we have to try our best to find topics but just let people collect and the rest will take care of itself , it has never turned out the way people imagine it would and too much thinking starts creating conspiracy theories etc
Hi Geoff love your intro tech guy by day and card investor by night. Not my exact story but I do work in tech myself and dabble in cards (at a much smaller level) than most serious collectors.
Hope you will be attending the Dallas Card show next week in Allen, TX, I will have a table with my humble collection of MJ only cards!
Interesting vid. Maybe you should compile an overall print run video for the past several years, should be spooky stuff
I'm sticking to numbered they're still rare compares to base and most other shorter print versions like pink hyper optic or green prizm or green mosaic etc. I also enjoy collecting the various colored numbered cards but that's just me
With the added print runs and parallels they really balance out. It’s still tuff to pull the parallel you want. To have a card with less than 2000 parallels is still a rare card considering how many print runs. Investing stand point, it will only matter on how the player does in the future to determine their worth. Other than that parallels will always be chase cards no matter the serial numbers. Also with cards going global the chances are even less to see the parallel your looking for.
You aren’t factoring that demand is multiples higher too. So double numbered is still less than increased demand
This is a great heads-up video
great video!
They could help this issue by putting different pictures on the cards.creating variety and a reason to buy all of them if a person collects that person
For Investment purposes, Stick to vintage cards in as high of a grade as you can afford, I never trusted these numbered cards cause they are a manufactured collectible, not something that was supposed to be saved on purpose
Makes sense. As we know,it almost always depends on the success of the player. Certainly noticed increasing amounts of numbered cards in the breaks.
good stuff! looking forward to seeing ya at nscc!
Sure helped me. I recently picked up a double patch card from 2005 Donruss Diamond Kings of Curt Shilling number to two hundred.
It's obvious these numbered cards just aren't rare any more, they are so overproduced they just aren't worth buying any more. Panini have got people chasing cards that there are literally thousands of different coloured varients out there that are all numbered
Appreciate the analysis Geoff, and the math is the math. The difference of the TOTAL population of a player’s serial numbered Prizm FB is a little over 600 more in 2021. In an era where there are probably 100,000 Trevor Lawrence base cards, will 600 more make a huge difference? I agree that an extra SUPPLY of 600 numbered TLaws will have some impact, but your video has a bit of “the sky is falling” vibe, when DEMAND for those TLaws, if strong, will still make them highly collectible/valuable.
Totally agree. This whole video is a reach.
Asking a question - do we know if the "Print run" is the same or has the print run increase in a similar fashion - ceteris paribus? It might be contrary where the "serial numbers" are slotted in place of base cards, and thus a base card of an athlete could be less than a prior year?
Another forecast that won't age well
They need to have fewer numbered.. I think it should only go up to x/100 or x/99 and only be 1/1, 5/5, 25/25, 50/50, and 99/99-100/100.. I do believe the 1/1-25/25 will always hold value pretty well, but who knows.
I think it all is going to depend on if these card companies continue to roll out tons of parallel cards and numbered cards, or if they cut those numbers down again, in the future. I think I heard you say that the send away claim cards are going away, but if the numbered cards are the only way you can buy something somewhat rare, then they'll still likely hold value to collectors. The numbered 299 Trevor Lawrence may not be all that rare, but if he has a good career, it will be always worth more than a base card in that set anyways, and thus collectable. It's nice to show us the reality of these cards not really being super rare, but I'm not able to afford the highest of the high-end cards, so to me it's a matter of context. I, and probably a lot of other collectors probably will continue to go after these cards, because they are what I can afford, and they still are somewhat "rare". Thanks for the video.
Are the lower numbers of serialized cards considered more desirable/valueable? For example, is 03/75 worth more than a 58/75?
In general, no. Collectors are a superstitious lot, so you may get a premium for a certain serial number from the right person. Like their jersey #, #1, last card in the run, etc.
Good points but they also printed an ass ton of more bass as well the product is so watered down and over printed that it's just as hard to get a serial numbered card or harder now..
Got into the hobby a year ago. I really like the tier rookies of Court Kings due to each tier having a unique design. I do wish they were numbered though, especially tier 3 & 4.
Find a new hobby.
I’ve always collected and invested in players from all sports the I’m interested in with a budget. I scratch my head when I see numbered, patched, autographs cards sale for more then proven star athlete’s with a track record and in the long run will be a better investment.
Collect what you like and what you want. Get back to making this a fun hobby and not about all the statistics.
Exactly
People like Geoff are the ones ruining it, no longer a hobby but more of a business to make the rich 1% richer
Your looking at this completely wrong. The hobby is leaning towards ONLY serial number cards and commons are becoming the junk wax of our Era. They added many different parallels because every single person ONLY wants them. The commons has become legit shipping cardboard.
I agree bro well articulated
This is true! A lot of serial and inserts I buy are padded/protected by a bunch of base cards.
This is what happens when you have influencers that don't really have a clue what they're talking about
Base card's are absolutely junk and should be used as packing supplies. Numbered parallels FTW 🤘👍
I agree. Geoff is wrong here. If I have a 1/ 99 or whatever number, I know that it’s a finite number vs a billion commons at psa 10s
How important would it be if I had a 2022 card with serial 01/25 as compared to any of the other same exact card with higher serial numbers is it more wort grading I've seen them before but the values can be all over and don't seem consistent imo at least advice is much appreciated
Depends on what serial numbered is being bought and the player for instance a serial numbered out of 99 relic of o HOF could be worth something.
It also depends on the long term success and popularity of the player.
Great info but the issue is the player drives the value not the exponent of rarity cards. Mahomes always valuable regardless of print runs, Burrow, etc. The year matters but more importantly is the player from that year.
Completely agree but for collectors such as myself and many others can’t afford RC’s of the players we’re chasing that are numbered to /25 or less. Any advice?
Plenty of legends like Dani Alves, David Silva and David Villa have rookies for under $20 are
Yes but much more product was sold in 2021 so with a higher dilution and more base rookies in the float that offsets it
Geoff great video, amazing stuff. Cards and coffee, worst sports card shop in LA!! Don’t waste a minute at the shop.
Geoff also mentions that cards needed to 25 or less will hold or go up in value.. but 2021 prizm basketball their are 15 parallels numbered to 25 or less. Is anyone trying to get all of these or does only 3 of the 15 actually matter to people?
For the record I’ve said all along, the only card that is important is rookie. The best auto is rookie and best relic is rookie.
Real assets have finite resource. If a player signed autos for an entire year it still pales to what can be printed and minted #ed.
correction continues
This simply is not true. I'll let you figure it out
I mean just keep lowering the value of /50 /99 /199 and I’ll keep scooping them up. Baseball FTW.
I’m assuming the difference in value with the card is signature either on the card or on tape is to protect the integrity of the signature I presume.it may be or may not be the new way of sign autograph cards could it be?
ALL CARDS new and old will take a hit when the Economy finally rolls over. Buying cards is a hobby and not a life staple. Many collectors will sell their cards to accumulate the much needed cash and the influx of all the cards on the market coupled with less buyers will bring prices down. It's simply supply and demand.
Eh 2008 the great depression ect ect the cards went up over time the us dollar went way down. Cards are a safer bet than cash tbh
Numbered cards are the chase
so what types of cards should we buy and look for in ebay or anywhere online and in boxes that can potentially have profit
if we should search only for for #d why should we look for to distinguish which parallels may be more valuable bc it’s hard to tell with so many of them
I think Gold or rookie serial numbered cards will still hold value, that’s if they are superstars otherwise they might not be valuable as the time goes by. There’s way too much base serial numbered stuff along with a high print run on them, anything lower to 25 is what might hold some type of value. I own very few numbered cards, one is a rookie parallel but it’s not a big time card maybe a 100 bucks at best.
I think the take away here is that while you have a "Numbered" card, you have to realize that there are other numbered cards of the same card, just in a different variation / color. I still enjoy getting numbered cards not because of the number but the color variations like Blue or Green Shimmer, White Mojo and etc. I think from a collecting standpoint that's what most collectors are after. Sometimes a lower numbered card is actually harder to comp / sell IMO unless it's of a superstar.
the demand is not in the supply of numbered parallels. it's in the supply of specific numbered parallels and their population on the market.
Some may argue that this is a good thing. Back in the day there were a lot of collectors that bought cards they liked, not what was rare. The hobby went from a kids buying packs at the liquor store to adults spending thousands as investments. Even if the numbered cards aren't as rare, they're still going to go for big money if it's the right player. This gives more people opportunities to hit something from a pack or box. Would it be a good thing if they changed it to only just a single 1/1 for the entire set? That card could go for a couple million and it would be like hitting the jackpot. I'm not hating on numbered cards either, that's pretty much all I own
I knew this whole numbered thing would come back to bite; even the 1 of 1’s. The whole thing is not sustainable especially with most people in it for the investing.
Why not use the blue /199 for basketball too?? Good info either way. Thanks for sharing.
That’s why I love upper deck hockey cards. Especially young guns. They RARELY have serial numbered cards. So when you do find one they are worth a ton.
We can look to Bowman baseball for the answer. True Bowman folks want the Ref, Blue, Gold, Orange, Red, or Super. All of the other parallels sell for fractions. With basketball for example, we may see something like Blue, Red, Gold, and Black be the core colors Prizm die hard s value and everything else sells for fractions. For both FB and BKB, the “true” colors will rise to the top and separate from the rest.
If you're an investment collector listen to this man but if you collect for the sake of collecting don't worry about pricing because you ain't selling.
How does the growth of the industry impact this? If there are x number of numbered cards but the number of collectors is 2x that number how is that factored in?
Very hard to make these statements without showing the actual sales of these cards. Couldn’t you do a comparison of 2019 vs 2020 with sales data? Causation is nearly impossible to prove but I’m pretty sure the amount serial numbered cards does not cause a decline in sales.
It's card inflation, Panini is pumping more card variants with serial numbers than previous years. More cards in the market the less valuable they become.
Okay so everyone knows how much this hobby has grown. It’s a giant. Does 400 more numbered cards really even make a difference when compared to number of collectors now? I’m pretty sure adding 400 or so more numbered parallels isn’t making a big difference look at your data and look at the hobby growth then compare it to serial number growth and post on that. Thanks in advance
I don't agree that ALL numbered cards will go down in value. For example, cards numbered 1/1 and cards numbered out of 25 or lower I think will still hold their value depending on the player and even increase, again depending on the player. But I do agree that for example, plentiful cards numbered out of say, 500 or more, will likely go down in value as time goes on depending on the player.
Years down the road it will be interesting to see the pop reports even with more parallels being made. The quality control of both the new football and basketball prizm is very very poor. Not everyone can afford a black, gold, or other really rare parallels. . So certain level parallels may be what certain people can afford?
Yeah but... the different types of variations are fun (though some are dumb) so just collect what you like knowing there is a limited supply of your specific favorite type of variation.
Although I agree Panini has overprinted and they are taking advantage of the hobby after a short boom during COV, but I truly believe there are more in the hobby. So there are more numbers, yes, but there are also more people buying. I think 2021 is overprinted, but I think there are more buyers in 2022. I think the biggest problem is the number of sets.
We are in the junk parallel era
Would be interesting to see a 15/16 numbered card analysis.
I went to the Big Apple show and it was horrific. No one was passionate, all flipping junk. Young “dealers” offering 60% comps on everything with hardly anything to sell. Such a joke.
I fell in love with marketing first .
Then I fell in love with
Photography and photprints.
Sports cards from a child of the 80s is a love ❤️
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Now I just buy the cards I love . Yes I watch the values and years for each season but I understand marketing and branding. How do I keep peoples attention? 🤔
What about a flawless 2017 Mitchell trubisky/Patrick mahomes/Deshawn Watson. Triple jersey rookie 34/99?
Welp. I still love collecting numbered cards. Nothing more satisfying. So many different ways to collect like try to get all players in a set of /99
I agree the number of parralells is beyond rediculous, but I feel like sometimes you guys focus on the numbers so hard you miss some key factors... all because a card has a lower serial # does not make it more valuable or more desierable... look at Topps Chrome, where the "true" color cards, the original plain colors, are often more valuable then the other versions, some of which are lower numbered... all those "wave" versions are a good example. It's not an absolute.
Thanks for the video!
This is good to know🙂👍Thanks!
I'm now confident about Kobe's 2015-16 Select courtside copper #/49 card on eBay. Had me worried there for bit.
A more fair analysis would have to been to use the 2019 set for basketball just as you did for football
All cards are about to hit a steep value drop, yea? Good time to get into the hobby I would think, once cards are finally affordable again.
the robot is kills me 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Surprised he didn't mention even the 1 of 1s and / 5 and /10 aren't as rare as we think. Many sets will do a black disco, a black flash, a green flash, a green shimmer, gold laser, gold cracked ice etc. At the end of the day, serial numbers will always be desirable, they even " over" print those I guess one could say. So what's left? High end? Eminence? Nt? Flawless? It's the same thing I listed here within those sets as well as far as numbered cards. They just change the variation type of the card and slap a serial number on it. Lol
Quick solution to the problem. Don't rip wax because it's way to expensive. That's the only you'll get something numbered /299, /199 ect. Buy singles of /60 or lower of Bron, Curry or Giannis.
Also in upcoming years they will do the same thing. So more parallels or sets are going to devalue future products
parallels are not how they once were years ago. Numbered cards are the way to go. Anything numbered 50 to below is what you want to look at
I think if you add a PSA 10 graded serial numbered card you are safe longer term.. Example I feel fine with a judge serial numbered chrome /569 PSA 10 all star rc with pop of less than 50 in the highest grade.. So if serial numbered cards are graded PSA 10 I believe they will hold value
Yep, this is so people can justify buying a box of prizm for over $1,000. You get a ton of parallels.
What nobody on the videos are telling you is if you want the higher value cards, you need to buy those higher boxes and hope when you do that you actually get a great hit. I seen 1 video where someone bought 5 flawless boxes and didn't get a hit good enough to get half his money back from those 5 boxes combined. Unless you have alot of money to burn , you wont be happy. Thats just the gist of it all.
LOL thanks for the video captain obvious but everyone already knew Panini printers go brrrr
Wow, you've been dealing with flippers so much that you are completely forgetting actual collectors and their state of mind. I'm a collector. I WANT the Donruss Optic Orange Doncic /199, because it just looks so cool. I don't care about the Optic Fast Break Red /85. The fast break red doesn't factor into the equation when I just want the Orange one. There are 199 of them. That's it, that's the number.
One good reason I've left sports cards, and entered Marvel cards, over time the return in investment will be higher, because of printing number alone.
I hate that panini doesnt print pack odds on the back of their packs like topps. I keep wrappers from previous years just so that i can estimate the print run based on their stated odds. And i'll just say theres a lot more stuff out there then there was pre-2019.
This isn't a bad thing, because there are a large amount of new collectors and I truly believe that the hobby needs to print more and have a larger audience for sustainable growth. And that means affordable cards and product, otherwise people are going to lose interest.
Cus Panini is trash