The British Invented Concentration Camps? - Forgotten Assholes of History
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- čas přidán 29. 04. 2015
- Throughout human history there have been many famous assholes. Many will be remembered - Hitler, Stalin, Donald Rumsfeld. But we're here to remind you of... The Forgotten Assholes of History. This episode we remind you of Herbert Kitchener.
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Written by & Featuring Siobhan Thompson
Intro Voiceover - Dan Chamberlain
CREW
Director - Ryan Hunter
Producer - Brendan McMorrow
DP - Matthew Braunsdorf
AC - Bridget Araujo
Gaffer/Grip - Alex Nelson
HMU - Hana El-Assad
Sound Mixer - Kurt Seery
Animator - Daniel Levine
Editor - Ryan Spears
Production Coordinator - Kayla Nadel-LaMotta
PA - Benjamin Baldwin
==== - Komedie
What is with the bigoted insult against the Boers? Stealing gold and diamonds? They were mostly farmers and mined the diamonds themselves, they certainly went stealing it.
Don Rodriguez
They didn’t mine the gold themselves. They relied on outsiders who they taxed and denied the vote. Oh god. People don’t read history but feel free to comment. This is why the internet is shit.
@@augnkn93043 the Boers were an agrarian society. they had no interest in mining gold or diamonds.
Mike Hunt
Which is what I said.
@@augnkn93043and what did the british do when they don't get there way they throw a tantr and put all the local women and children in concentration camps they were no better than the nazis
Boer translates to farmer 😂
This is very simplistic. Boer literally means "farmer". This video was very superficial in it's content.
oh man, this is the best! xD
why only two episodes though??? D:
Hello Siobhan!
So this is were you disappeared after Anglophenia!
recent studys show that round about 40000 women and children died not 28000
This story is a story that unless you come across you probably never hear about
i just love that siobhan said "fucking" :D
The Spanish first invented Concentration Camps in CUBA. They were called "Reconcentrado" - Reconcentration Camps.
But some of the Torture method use in the Concentration camp comes from the Catholic Inquisition.
From September 1899 the Americans used concentration camps in the Philippines, they were called 'zones of protection'. This was prior to the outbreak of the first Boer war. As people have pointed out they were not designed for mass extermination, poor administration and lack of supplies would lead to deaths, but they cannot be compared to the Nazi camps that were built for the sole purpose of mass murder. This is not in defence of such camps, but there is quite a difference.
The Germans but Africans in concentration camps in Namibia also
You are the only one here who seems to have a brain here
Nonsense. I lost approximately 180 family members in the Boer War concentration camps. I visited many concentration camp cemeteries in South Africa where most of the victims were children. They were NOT maladministered. The starvation was deliberate. There was no healthcare, no sanitation, not enough protection from the elements. They WERE intended as mass extermination camps. Don’t denigrate the memory of my ancestors insinuating otherwise.
Resources will always be difficult to have nearby, especially in military setting in a place like Africa.
As from a personal standpoint, i would rather take a bullet to my head :)
Doh, you got that spectacularly wrong. The first boer war was fought from 1880 to 1881. The second one from1899 to 1902.
Got it all figured out don't you!
a lot of assholes in the comments saying "anyone who is anyone should know this already"-- but why? why would ANYONE, other than Historians or history buffs, know this? Just making excuses for calling people ignorant. Im a Designer, i don't expect people to know who Henri de Toulouse-Lautrec is or Frank Lloyd Wright...
Pizza God
I’m a computer programmer and I know who those people are. Perhaps you are lacking a good general education.
Yeah, no, sorry, most Boers never got involved in the mostly Anglo/Jewish mine business. Farming on arid land the Bantus couldn't farm on isn't exactly "stealing" from folks that themselves migrated southwards to displace Khoi and San.
Yh especially when the boers were the ones that discovered the gold in the first place
These utube twits don't care about truth or facts they make there own up as they go
Yeah, those white protestant Dutch people are SO nice! They would NEVER mistreat people or plunder the land! Neither in South Africa nor in Southeast Asia or in the Carribeans. WTF?
@@claudiodeugenio What the fuck does Dutch colonialism in Southeast Asia and the Caribbeans have to do with the Boers?
The first penitentiary was built in Philadelphia by the Amish. Eastern State Penitentiary. Currently, the worst "for profit" factory in the industrialised world. Do dat!
This series should be called "below average"
Does it conflict your imperialism view?
The Spanish used them in cuba years before 😂
I think they mean that the term was invented but Yh trye
We did not this is crap this woman needs a lesson in history
Love it Brilliant!!!!
This is fantastic. I encourage you to do an episode on Kermit Roosevelt Jr, grandson of Teddy Roosevelt. Little Kermit helped engineer the overthrow of the democratically elected president of Iran, restoring the shah to power so the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (now British Petroleum/BP) wouldn't have to share their profits with the Iranians. The shah was so terrible the people of Iran revolted, bringing to power Ayatollah Khomeini and paving the way the Taliban, ISIS and other assorted horrors. He was truly an asshole to remember.
Did the people of Iran have just a tiny, tiny bit to do with Shia terror? That's Hezbollah, Boko Haram and others. Taliban and ISIS, that would be Sunni. Come on Tom. Learn the Basics.
Amazing hoe die Engelse dink hulle weet meer van ons geskiedenis en wat ons doen en gedoen het. Glo nog steeds al die leuens wat aan hulle opgedis is deur al die jare. Duitsland is die enigste een wat moes betaal vir hulle sondes. Engeland het nog nooit. En dit was 28 000 vrouens en kinders. God slaap nie. Eendag gaan julle 'n ander deuntjie sing wanneer die 7 plae oor julle kom. Vir die van julle wat God se kinders is.... Hy is met jul. Vir die res... Kry vir julle.
Speak English, barbarian
@@lollius88I beg your pardon? Just because you only bothered to learn one language and are obtuse and insulting is a reflection of your barbarism.. vok jou!
I love you and whoever else made this video🤩
You know they dont teach this in your History class.
Because its not true, the Spanish had used them in cuba years earlier and the Americans used them against the natives
@@michaelscott2445 the Germans used them in Namibia which the Nazis used in ww2
Kitchener didn't wasn't responsible for the massacre of the Somme hague was
well where were they to put them butlins
Exactly XD
It should have said "hass" in the cloud...
A funny thing about this is that there's a town in Ontario that's named after Kitchener, and it used to be called Berlin but they decided to change it during the second world war because they didn't want to be associated with Germany.
+Nicole Inchworm Actually they changed it in WWI,1916...but yeah, they changed it because of anti-German sentiments.
Suggestions for what they call it in the future? Guantanamo?
This is mostly all new to me. I live in Kitchener Ontario. I new we were called Berlin before and changed to Kitchener. We are a city not a “town”
@@carloscarvalho5056 Kitchener hunted humans like an English fox hunt, and eventually even the Elites in UK tricked him and sent him on a dangerous sea journey to Russia during a massive hurricane type storm, and that's how lord Kitchener died
@@carloscarvalho5056 A city with a great name.
The land not the gold or diamonds it is all about the land
I was going to say the Spanish "the Cuba method" coz they did it in cuba
I wouldn't doubt that this was a common tactic throughout all history by dictators and sadistic men.
He didn't do it to gain pleasure and he wasn't a dictator. Do you even know what the Second Boer War was or are you just spewing your shit on the political table?
The Whaler he's probably a butthurt feminist/sjw
@@MetaphysicalBlade He used the camps as a weapon against the boers who were shooting the crap out of his troops in their pretty red dresses
@Brazilian/Norway Umm, no. Genocide was common with the aztecs in South America long before the British had even built boats
@@MetaphysicalBlade Farmers who they managed to capture? Women and children who lived in a strict patriarchal Calvinistic society were a threat to the mighty British army? I think you picked the wrong mushroom from your garden
Kitchener was a Protestant Irishman to be exact.
+VanaeCavae im still trying to understand how two european entities can fight a war in africa a place they have no cultural or historical or political geopolitical ties in other than arriving their first. Shocking what minerals can make one do.
+VanaeCavae No, he was an Englishman born in Ireland.
Ciara I’m English what you got to say about me?
it seems its impossible to find Hitler's speech about this on the internet now a days !
The Boers were farmers that lived their for generations. Who were they stealing diamonds and gold from? The natives who had no idea that these things even existed? It was no different from the American colonies.
and the natives stole the land from the KhoiSan Bushmen .. who were the rightful owners of Southern Africa loooong before your "poor" natives arrived,
Stop believing all the Liberal crap that is distributed as fact by Jingo journalists.
@@tonyvanderhelm2934 plus i honestly feel like as long as you didn't take away the lifestyle of the bushmen its not wrong lol.
We need this show! Please do more.
estopasowner 5 more coming! Check them out every other Thursday on our site: aboveaverage.com/watch/forgotten-assholes-of-history/
Awesome! Thank you, I really need the knowledge.
Above Average Will they not be available on CZcams?
Earnest Pettie They'll be available on CZcams, too!
white guilt wow... most assholes need a little foreplay before shoving in the antisemitism, but you just opened right up for it, didn't ya?
Americans had concentration camps for native Americans too
The Brit’s coined the Phrase first and the Europeans did it way worse
We make no secret of this. I am nor ashamed or proud of what we did.
never let a fact get in the way of a good story .
Hilarious that was funny
This is the problem when amateur historians don’t understand history or the context of that history. Simply jump to their own narrow minded conclusions, dumb it all down and smugly misinform people from the platform of their high horse.
The real high horse degenerates are the allies and the propaganda they would regurgitate regarding Germany.
@@Ne-u333
In truth, Anthony was describing the process of the all lies writing their "history" books
XD
As a South African I can vouch for this, everybody learns this shit in school here regarding the Anglo-Boer War. also, great presentation! would recommend to a friend
my great grandmother was raised in one of these camps.
@@lucienthefirst8649 it would be instead to hear you're grandmother story and views of the topic
Concentration camps were actually invented by the Spanish. They were called "campos de reconcentrados" and were used to put Cubans in there a few years before the Boer concentration camps
Really have to call bullshit on that , sounds like more Anglo Black Legend bullshit .Real Colonialist and Genocidal .
I absolutely guarantee you that concentration campuses pre-date any “nation” and goes back probably before city-states.
lol yep I jus watched a video ab devils island
Are you guys doing a second season?
oooh o_O the narrator from anglophenia!!!
I mean, there’s nothing wrong with his name.
Omg Shiobhan you're cheating on college humour
I needs moar!
Think concentration camps as we know them might have been first used by the Spanish in the Caribbean
Bad idea? broke the morale of the enemy
Nonsense .. the war went on for 2 more years before the high death rate in the camps forced the Boers to decide to surrender,
Under queens orders....... for the gold. ..........
Snarkish. The Boers were farmers doing Agriculture not mining.( like Mid west farmers USA...........)if that is what "robbing the riches of Africa means to you ".
He is irish he was born in county Kerry in a place called ballylongford
To English parents. He's ethnically English.
Yeah but England probably owned all of Ireland back then so it was technically British soil he was born on
More of these please
Only the British can make the worst Genocides in recorded human history sound like a "friend's" sitcom, with the sound of an audience laughing in the back. wow!
They commited genocides in each continent North America, Oceania, Asia etc
You've got my subscription.
Kitchener what an absolute fool. What army goes into battle wearing a bright red uniform ,great targets!The Boers were brilliant fighters, able to live off the land, and knew how to use a Mauser rifle. They used guerrilla warfare tactics, invented trench warfare. Kitchener interned men,woman and children into these concentration camps. After that he went onto command troops during WW1, what a terrible waste of young men. Talk to anyone in Australia, New Zealand,Canada, South Africa and there is not a kind word to be said about Kitchener.
The British equivalent to Andrew Jackson, basically.
Read Domenico Losurdo!
Andrew Jackson…
Only one? You used plural in your title.
New episodes every other Thursday! This is just the premiere.
how dare you disrespect my Great Great Great Grandfather
Wel then Your great great grandfather was a mass murderer
Siobhan?
Yes!
Cool. She's such a good writer and speaker.
Apart from the name and being crowded, not quite the same thing and its a bit misguided to just quote deaths and leave it at that. The British found that their Boer enemy were being supplied by the Boer farmsteads their families ran. The British took many inhabitants into camps to stop that. As the war progressed things changed and the Boers found that their families were a burden to keep fed so they were sent to British camps to be fed. The British were in fact trying to turn these away as they knew there was not enough food to go round and the resulting malnutrition meant that they were vulnerable to disease which was ultimately responsible for the deaths as it was for many deaths in the british army
what a load of crap
@@benlochner8955 in May 1902] Boer leader Louis Botha asserted that he had tried to send [Boer] families to the British, but they had refused to receive them." Quoting a Boer commandant referring to Boer women and children made refugees by Britain's scorched-earth policy as saying, "Our families are in a pitiable condition and the enemy uses those families to force us to surrender ...and there is little doubt that that was indeed the intention of Kitchener when he had issued instructions that no more families were to be brought into the concentration camps." By mid-December at any rate, Kitchener was already circulating all column commanders with instructions not to bring in women and children when they cleared the country, but to leave them with the guerrillas.
Highly informative.
This video is so unfathomably wrong its painful to watch.
firstly more women and children died in the concentration camps... 28,000 +- The Boer number was about half that. It was illegal to talk about the war after. The boer population was crippled after the war especially since most of the population lost were women and children. My great aunt said her mother gave birth in a boer concentration camp and a British soldier smashed the baby's head against the wheel of a wagon in front of her. My great-aunt died a few years back she was a 103. History is written by the victor. God bless all the lives lost and forgotten.
How did she get here to college humor
Herman fucking goering:)
Anglo teutonics
1:06 That’s Field Marshal asshole thank you very much 🧐💂🏻♂️
British tradition of making his men walk slowly into the gunfire? This person is a fool.
Actually the Spanish first "invented" the concentration camp in Cuba
@JL-CptAtom No, that was the concentration camp (as specifically named in news reports of the time [EDIT: There had been earlier similar camps, but the actual term "concentration camp" had previously been in use for a different sort of military encampment]). But the Cuban and South African camps, though they both ignored the welfare of the inmates, resulting in serious loss of life, were not extermination camps like those used by Germany in the Second World War.
Wrong
LOL'd SO HARD at the Hermann Göring part!
What UTTER GARBAGE.
Dang, Siobhan Thompson is gorgeous. Marry me, please?
The presenter seems to have dropped her divining rods.
Britain also put the initial segregation laws in place in South Africa so thanks for giving the NP a good foundation to build off of you tea sippers.
the Boers hated the black Africans and mistreated them too.
@@67nairb not as badly as the British, they also didn’t promise rights to them if they won just to never follow through on it and continue opressing
@@67nairb some did in countries like Zimbabwe and Botswana they got along great actually
@@The_king567 who got along ggreat actually?
@@67nairb the Afrikaners and Africans in other countries
South African Boer here. to be fair , this little vid is not quite accurate. Spain invented the concentration camp and prior to that the strategy has been used many times before in history .also some very inaccurate quick remarks in the vid. rushed .
No he didn't.
This is cancerous revision of history. When you use the word concentration camps in the modern era it has negative connotations because we know what happened. If you lived in 1850 the word wouldn't mean the same thing. The farms of the Boers were destroyed by the fighting. We decided to feed the women and children by putting them into camps. There was no executions in the camps. I can't remember the exact quote but it was from a reverend at the time. It went something like this, what other country would have the grace to feed the women and children belonging to the enemy? You can read letters of the time. The goal was not deaths, but the opposite. There was concerns about the number of deaths and they tried to reduce them. There was logistical problems with the food supply along with disease that killed the people in the camps. At the time we didn't have the knowledge we do now. You can't use modern knowledge to judge people in history.
"what other country would have the grace to feed the women and children belonging to the enemy"
The women, children and older people were forcefully taken from their homes as the soldiers burnt their farms to the ground, not because of fighting but because of Kitchener's scorched earth policies. So, no, it wasn't out of the goodness of their hearts that they "decided to feed the women and children" - as if they needed saving - but because everything they owned was turned to ash and they were prisoners of war. And there were prisoners who were executed.
Please read a book called "Camp whore" there were no intention of keeping anyone safe
Everybody tries to deny this, I know too much useless stuff like this about history, though its not my field good show though, few cover this, much less humorously
Isn't she on college humor now?
Great work
Lindybeige sent me here. Lindybeige did it better.
The Moribundity the greatest historian we never asked for
The doesn't already know this
Only problem with this is he was Irish, born in ballylongford in southern Ireland he wasn't british
All of Ireland was part of the United Kingdom at the time, so he was British.
He wasn't irish, his family were English, his father moved his family there from England. But he was of English descent.
@@fyrdman2185 He thought he was Irish anyway.
@@fyrdman2185 His mother's family was of French Huguenot descent
@@fyrdman2185 Thank god! I was worried when I heard about this guy.
Makes you think who really is a peasant. Wealth or royalties doesn’t change your peasant brain lol jk
What do you respect it was in Africa Fracking in Iceland
Awesome. Good work!
When people think of concentration camps they think of death camps . They think of people coming in trains and leaving through chimneys. The British did not invent that
Exactly
They do think of innocent people being forcibly taken to and dying in camps though....
@@stiofain88 they were not forcibly taken to those camps. They were refugee camps that had a problem getting food because the boers sabotaged train tracks. The starvation rate of the civilians was the same as that of the guards. Hardly forced or as terrible as people say
@@wisemansocrates Sure they were. And I'm sure your guards suffered the same fate as this child
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@@wisemansocrates Not like ye to ever lie about your atrocities and try to cover it up, except that time in Kenya...or Palestine...or Ireland....or India....or Northern Ireland....or Afghanistan.
This is Historically NOT True. Concentration camps were already created in the early to mid 1900 and were not by the British. I agree with the comments below too. She is completely Historically wrong. They also appeared in the American civil war and other wars too, way before the Boer war. On such a horrible topic you need to be very sure on the historical Truth before you put something like this on CZcams.
Bst show v
interesting and funny
Kitchener was Irish actually
He was an Englishman born in Ireland. There were lots of English colonists in Ireland back then that were part of the ruling elite in Ireland
@@fyrdman2185 He wasn’t born, or raised in England.... aka not English. If Stephen Lennon (Tommy Robinson of the EDL) isn’t Irish, then Kitchener wasn’t English.
@@williamharwood6139 He was only born in Ireland but he was raised in England. As was the case with the ruling class of Ireland who were also of English descent.
@@fyrdman2185 He was born in Ireland, raised in Switzerland and went into military training in England. If Anglo-Irish don’t count as Irish then Oscar Wilde and James Joyce aren’t Irish.
@@williamharwood6139 Yes they don't count as irish, to be irish you have to have irish ancestry. James Joyce is irish since he has irish ancestry. Kitchener doesn't.
The British invented everything.
I'm not entirely sure that this is accurate to say that the British invented concentration camps, because some of the earliest forms of concentration camps came from the Spanish around the 1860's (although they were called that) and American soilder's used similar camps on Cherokee and other native Americans around the 1830's
The term itself is British but the tactic is not
But this guy is still an ashosle
The Scottish woman that was on the phone to me, Pauline was her said to have been given name but yeah I had a good chat with her about Britains public school systems aka enslaverous torture camps.
This is a show that will never run out of content.
Freedom of speech rulez!
The first concentration camps were actually built in the 1800's by the Spanish in Cuba, before the
Spanish-American War.
There were no concentration camps in Cuba. People where concentrated in the cities. They Spanish government run out of food for their own forces. Also the rebels starting doing "tea incendiaria" that means they burnt all crops. There were no food to feed the concentrated people. The famine that ensued was a brutal consequence of the war that the government neither foresee nor wanted. The government replaced that general and free the people. There were no concentration camps there were concentrated people to prevent them from helping the revels, not to exterminate them. The USA used that (along with a bunch of pictures that didn't belong there and imaginative drawings from people that were not there) to motivate the americans towards a war of colonialism that they were planning for decades.
He is not a Arsehole
Correct, he is an arsehole
Kitchener was a massive celebrity of his time. Just like Perl Harbor or the 911 attacks; everyone knew where they were and what they were doing when news of his death came to light. I came to browse videos of his legacy and was surprised to find a negative one.
I am a little bit apprehensive towards picking up a single historical individual and overplay his or her significance as if there were no like-minded contemporaries. There is no effort made to keep things in a historical context, all I see are quips and puns.
And how correct are you regarding concentration camps, or internment? The wiki you are citing is showing examples dating back to the late 1700s. I am no expert here and I suspect you did some reading before making this, but how can Kitchener be credited for "inventing" something that was already occurring at least 100 years before?
It depends on what side of the history you're on, but for most in SA, Kitchener's legacy was one of scorched earth policies, concentration camps and death. He led an army against the Boers, the Dutch word for farmers, all in the name of gold and diamonds. So yes, I suppose many did view him as someone to be celebrated and still do, but like all historical figures, the opposite is also true.
All countries do this. Not just the British. We never learned about Gandhi's experiments with sex in our history lessons. Although, that was just weird. Not gruesome.
This convenient obfuscation of facts needs to change in the modern world.
From India,we don't love Gandhi