Tout Terrain Pamir + Pinion MGU: e-bikepacking made possible?
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- čas přidán 30. 06. 2024
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Chapters:
0:00-0:30 E-bikepacking?
0:30-1:21 I'm no e-biker...
1:21-2:07 What makes an e-bike travel ready?
2:07-2:27 1. High range + capacity battery
2:27-2:57 2. Reliable parts
2:57-4:40 3. A strong transmission
4:40-5:03 4. Wear resistance
5:03-6:10 5. Wheel set compatibility
6:10-7:11 6. Easy & fast charging
7:11-8:11 7. Low maintenance
8:11-10:11 Tout Terrain Pamir parts overview
10:11-11:02 How does the Pinion MGU work?
11:02-12:47 Pinion MGU hardware overview
12:47-14:17 Pinion MGU assistance levels
14:17-16:16 Pinion MGU software overview
16:16-17:34 FIT ebike control app overview
17:34-18:16 EuroBike presentation!
Things I missed in the overview:
- The MGU is also available as a 9-speed version
- Torque output was wrongly stated. Check Pinion's technical MGU overview for the correct answer :)
- The wheel swapping (29" to 27.5") should be done in consultation with your bike mechanic as the different size can impact range, speed and compatibility
- Battery fast charging is about 2h (20 to about 90%)
- Pre-Select can calculate the correct gear for your speed by setting a preferred cadence in the settings
Thanks for the review. I’m not currently in the market but it’s very interesting. It was clear that the manufacturer had put a lot of thought into this product and also that you had actually tested it in real world circumstances, rather than just riding it ‘round in circles and then writing about it. Good insights. Cheers!
Glad it was helpful! We loved that little trip and I’m happy it painted a better picture of what the bike is capable of.
E- bike for long distance tourimg is still quite new. For travlling to very remote places. Where electricity isn't always available. For example, the Pamir region. Will be interesting to see how e-bike develops for bike touring in the future.
I’m thinking the same!
What a fantastic machine, so well thoughtout, thankyou for showing it to us in such easy to understand detail, a great video as always.
Excellent review video. These combo of bike and drive is the perfect solution for bike travel for those of us that appreciate the assistance of motor assist. As an ebike tourer myself, an important thing that you didn’t really discuss is extended riding beyond the range of a single charge. I usually ride more miles in a day than a fully-charged battery allows, which requires bringing a second battery or re-charging during the day. My ebike (not the one you rode) does not recharge very fast, so my only option is to carry a second battery. But, if I am correct, the Pinion system charges pretty quickly, which should allow “topping off” during the day to extend any day’s range. That is VERY important for anyone considering using an ebike for touring or bikepacking. I suggest emphasizing this in a future video.
Thanks for the suggestion, I’ll keep that in mind. Tout Terrain will offer a 500wh additional battery that can be used on the frame, giving a total of 1200wh available to the rider. That’s massive! Combined with the ~2h fast-charge time (which ages the batteries faster but is good while on a tour) it’s a fantastic combo.
Excellent run down on the Pamir.
The controls are in a good position and being able to integrate your phone is genious.
Being able to take the battery out of the bike is a must. The range is not quite as far as I would like.
FYI looked up the Pinion MGU. 85 Nm torque and 1000 shifts after the battery is done.
This would be a super bike for touring Europe or parts of the US. Maybe not crossing the Gobi desert, but still a lot of places to see.
Thanks mate. Just what the Dr ordered.😊
Top fiets, alleen nog een by Schulz zadelpen als optie en een backsweep handelbar voor meer confort op ruw terrein. Wel weinig opening tussen de spatborden en de wielen op modderig wegen kan dit wel vast lopen denk ik. Jammer dat de batterij er niet langs de boven kant uit gaat. Veel makkelijker en minder kans dat er vuil of opspattend water in kan geeft een langere levens duur bij de meeste nieuwe ebike gaan open vanboven of langs de zij kant. Deze video is een mooi staaltje dat bike packing met ebike mogelijk is voor een breder publiek en hoop dat het dezelfde weg opgaat zoals de e gravel bike waar het duidelijk zijn diensten al heeft bewezen..groetjes uit eindelijk droge België stijn
Bedankt voor de uitgebreide en positive beoordeling, Stijn!
Als je de financiële mogelijk hebt dan gaat mijn voorkeur naar de flyer goroc TR:x 4.63 is in mijn ogen de beste fiets op de markt voor e bike touren maar eerst de lotto winnen😂
Awesome video, can’t wait for my Pamir Select 4.1 since the colour of the One isn’t mine. Quick question, may I ask about ur hight and the size of the test bike ? I‘m right between M and L myself.
Thanks, congrats on the purchase! The test bike was an XL model, I’m 1m89 tall.
@@tristanbogaard XL - is than even an option ? Could only find S - M - L ok the website and at my retailers store. Can’t wait for it and incorporate the modifications I’d like to have :)
How does the front fender attachment work at the top? The fork seems to have some kind of bridge like a suspension fork but I can't identify it properly
It’s actually bolted in the fork, with two bolts on each side. They’re around the same height as the tire sits in the fork. A strong connection that’s nicely hidden away from sight.
The battery seems very lightweight for the volume, is it full of battery cells, or is it a base model battery that you have to upgrade?
I don’t know, but judging from the weight it is completely full. Maybe I make it look easy… The cool thing is that you can get an additional 500wh extender battery, which would give you almost double the range!
@@tristanbogaard Thanks for the reply and in depth review, definitely some thought out engineering.
Cannot change gears when the battery is empty. 😮
We didn’t drain it to below 10% but I imagine Pinion has thought of this. If you’d do this manually then I’d say shut off the battery at 5% and you should be able to shift for a long time.
If battery ist empty you can still do about 1000 shifts
Range only 50kms?
I explain range in the video. It’s highly dependent on where you’re cycling as terrain, ambient temperature, gradient, weight and assistance mode all play a role.
NOT FOR ME THANKS
Hello, The Pinion system remains a must and the belt transmission marks a turning point. But this e-bike is nonsense on many crucial points: First of all, you must avoid any disc brake system which remains anti-mechanical, easily blocks the wheels and is the primary cause of often serious falls. Discs breaks involves fragile rims that crack (very quickly) and spokes that break. All this will force you to change the wheels every year and de-pending on use several times a year in addition to spending a lot of money on the maintenance of the disc brakes. Any e-bike must have good front sus-pension. Safety is at stake because a simple curved road or a hole (on a descent) or even simply cobblestones can cause you to lose control of your bike/e-bike! -The No. 1 rule for everything that involves recharging bat-teries and especially power is slow charging! When you quickly charge a battery (even a smartphone), it heats up and sometimes becomes very hot. This heat means that you wear out (damage) the battery irreversibly. When charging slowly, the battery will be barely warm if at all. As we recharge when we sleep (often at night), we do not need to charge quickly because there is also a significant risk of explosion and fire.- Electronic gear control means that if your battery is empty, you will no longer be able to change gears! Another pointless stupidity. We are approaching a time when high-tech bikes are designed to generate costly maintenance breakdowns. Disc brakes are a very powerful lobby with its false propaganda which has almost put an end to rim brakes and drum brakes, which remain the best and most durable systems.
Damn. I guess we should all buy my beloved omafiets. 🤭
Dude, you're seeing problems everywhere and for no reason. I have an e-bike with disc brakes, regular chain and derailleur from Deore. I have a 625 Wh battery and a 500 Wh as backup. Tires are from Schwalbe with medium puncture protection (Racing Ray and Thunder Burt). I have NEVER had a problem with the bike, not even a flat, and I am bikepacking the most remote mountains and forests in Norway and Sweden.
Clean your bike, keep it lubricated and monitor air pressure regularly. Most importantly, avoid overloading (use a trailer instead) and cycle SLOWLY over bumps and potholes. Take your bike to a bikeshop for a full maintenance service two times a year.
I am sure you mean well. I am curiousike where you are getting your information.
As a bike mechanic most of what you said does not make any sense. The proper disc breaks on an ebike work just fine and are superior to Rim breaks. Front suspension is a personal preference.
According to Pinion, when the power runs out, there is enough residual power for 1000 shifts.
FYI. The torque to the pedals is 85Nm (most urban ebikes are 40 to 60 Nm)
As to battery fires. The majority have been caused when people use the wrong charger to the bike battery.
One thing that many people aren't aware of, is that the rear wheel spokes tend to loosen (added torque) over time. Other than that just regular maintence .
I am guessing from your statements you have not actually tried riding an ebike. They are quite a bit of fun and get more people out.
What non-sense you are talking about?
I'm on a one year bike touring trip from China to the Netherlands. My bike has disc brakes. so do most long distance cyclists I met so far. Typing this from Bukhara, Uzbekistan.
If you like rim brakes or drum brakes, fine. But don't soread rubbish as if only you know everything.