Original version: A heartfelt confession of Kaworu about his feelings for Shinji Netflix version: Two bros sitting in a hot tub five feet apart because they're not gay
The word love was super important to Shinji’s character in this moment, as no one in his life had ever told him that they truly loved him. People liked him, but that wasn’t the same as loving him.
kaworu: i wanna live the rest of my life with you, stay with you, have happy mornings with you, eating breakfast together and being happy cause you’re amazing and wonderful shinji: k- kaworu: NO HOMO THO
I'm not mad at the "It means I like you", even though using "In other words, I love you." will be more surprising and satisfying on a thermatic level. What I AM mad about, is the freaking "You are worthy of my grace." Like, yes, "koui" literally means "grace, kindness", but put it in this context, accompanied with "my", makes it feels like Kaworu is looking down on Shinji, which is INCORRECT. And if the translator decided to go on the "ambiguos" route, they should've used the phrase "You are worthy of affection.", which could both imply platonic and romantic interest, and serve as a substitute for the "koi" (恋) and "koui" (好意) confusion. Goddamnit Netflix!!!
I think "you are worthy of my empathy" from the original dub is the best translation. It carries warmth, humanity, love in both the romantic and platonic way.
I know the worthy of my grace was supposed to allude that he was an angel, but honestly, him humming the choir song and having it be played when he enters the room is foreshadowing enough
I had to hear for myself after Guigguk shared this info. My conclusion: I like the bluntness of the line "I love you" cuz Kaworu isn't human and woulden't bother with subtleties. However it's still pretty clear the line "I like you" is romantic.
No shit I tried watching Netflix Eva and I just sat here like "Shinji sounds like every 12 year old girl reading a yaoi fic can we PLEASE GET SPIKE BACK ON THIS SHIT"
Cliff nailed it as Kaworu! I love his voice for our gay angel boy. It's a shame they changed "love" to "like" in this scene, but I still got the sense of Kaworu's infactuation for Shinji nonetheless. Also saying you love someone after only talking to them two times is very unnerving and unnatural, so I can look past it.
@@JayAreAitch I wouldn't say that ''i love you'' is an incorrect translation perse. Depending on the context, ''suki'' can mean ''love'' instead of ''like''.
personally i like that kaworu says i like you instead of i love you. i love you is just too aggressive and feels rushed considering the two have only known each other a day. "i like you" still gets the point across but feels more realistic as it has a flirty connotation.
It's also more accurate to the original japanese. And of course "I like you" still has implications of "like LIKE" even in Japanese. The point is the same.
While I feel that love would have sounded more sincere and comforting, I think like also works in a way that teens often say "like" when referring to someone they have a crush on. In my school at least. The actor's voice is also pretty convincing here.
@@PineOwl The entire episode's script is far more accurate to the Japanese. Matt Greenfield confessed that he essentially fansubbed the final stretch of episodes instead of waiting for the official scripts (hence him misinterpreting "koui" as "koi'). One big giveaway of this is his mistaking Asuka's father having sex with Kyoko's doctor in the next room for Asuka's grandmother mourning in the following scene.
Such an amazing voice but he had to say love. He was agape and you had to round out all the forms of love with him. So dropping the word love leaves out the subtext. And saying like instead makes it a strictly romantic confession. Yes it's weird but that's how it works, even though love is stronger than like, it is more flexible.
“Humans live with a constant feeling of pain inside of their hearts, but their hearts are sensitive to pain so it makes living difficult. Their hearts are delicate like glass, yours especially.”
@@repeate.6094 I know in japanese the word "suki" can mean either like or love. Lots of japanese is contextual. I think it's pretty safe based on the context that kaworu was telling shinji he loved him. "Ai" and "Koi" are also used to mean love in japanese, but in this instance, word "suki" is used
Dankey Kang True, but “suki” is usually literally translated as “like” as opposed to “love”, though it is what you would say to someone you’re romantically interested in. “Love” is too strong of a word in those circumstances, you rarely hear anyone use “aishiteru” which is literally “love”.
Tbh as a LGBT person myself I actually kinda like the line. While it would've been awesome for him to say I love you, hearing him say I like you sound more realistic. Though the only part that came off as weird to me is the "Your worthy of my grace" line, but it's something I'm willing to gloss over.
In the defense of Netflix, Kaworu used the lighter form of "I love you", the "daisuki" that can be translated to "I like" rather than "I love" in the case of "aishiteru". Plus Kaworu has no grip on the emotions that humans possess (such as love) as it is seen that his interactions with people are oftenly confusing.
The original is "I'm saying I love you" .... I have it on the original English-dubbed video from the 2000's somewhere. I watched it when I was 10 and thought "wwooooooww..!"
You're worthy of my grace. For somebody to even allow you to be their friend even though most people don't see friendship as something special. To come close to another's universe
The Netflix dub is the very first time I watched Evangelion, and I got the gay subtext immediately. I guess ppl just mad because they actually got the "I love you" in the original version, but imo at least, this was already hella gay in itself 🥴
idk i like Kaworu VA more in this Dub and Shinji sounds a lot like his Japanese voice, it aint bad As for the line it kinda sucks but i heard Khara and Gainax were very hands on with the translation and because the word Kaworu used in Japanese can be translated both as Love and as Like they went with the very litteral "like"..I dont think Netflix has any agenda
@@furiousape7717 Technically speaking, "love" would have worked too. Japanese relies more on context in comparison to English. 好き can actually be used and translated into both like or love based on context.
Well even thought I really wished they would have used the 'I love you' line I am not mad. Netflix tried to be as accurate as possible on the Japanese dub and they used 'suki' which can mean like and love at the same time. And they still showed the intimatecy beetwen kaworu and shinji like kaworu touching shinjis hand, shinji blushing, kaworus bedroom eyes (just kidding) and the way they says it any person would notice that his like means more than friendship
Keep in mind that the Netflix translation is made by a Studio Khara staff who translates the Japanese script closely to what they actually are in English.
When someone helps you realize your bisexual then friendzones you immediately afterward
Brian brush in the un Netflix version he doesn’t get friend zone
TR-X -SH where is the un Netflix version?
Galaxy Girl the regular one
Galaxy Girl kissanime idk that’s we’re I watch my shit
@@KaoruSan241 rip lololol
Original version: A heartfelt confession of Kaworu about his feelings for Shinji
Netflix version: Two bros sitting in a hot tub five feet apart because they're not gay
Way better
@@marijnnn4992 nah ruined it
@@fart4453 bro its gay Netflix just cleaned the anime
@@marijnnn4992 Tbh "You're worthy of my grace" is gayer than saying "I love you"
@@stevepensando2593 how
2 teens, in a shower, naked, holding hands, one says he likes the other.
People think they took the gayness out?
😂😂😂 fr though
The word love was super important to Shinji’s character in this moment, as no one in his life had ever told him that they truly loved him. People liked him, but that wasn’t the same as loving him.
@@MrGoof-if8rb yeah you're right. I guess for me the implication was there. But then i guess that's because i saw the original.
THIS!! Changing one word doesn’t change the entire scene
When you say it like that-
kaworu: i wanna live the rest of my life with you, stay with you, have happy mornings with you, eating breakfast together and being happy cause you’re amazing and wonderful
shinji: k-
kaworu: NO HOMO THO
There is something called a platonic relationship tho lol
@@IndianGeek5589 bruh that's gay
NO HOMO DOE
@@IndianGeek5589 kaworu's gay af
shinji's bi
@ILOVEYOUexe Lol.. I was replying directly to what the comment was saying, not with reference to any kissing scenes.
The guy who voices Kaworu also voices Bakugou
Oof! What?! Say isn't so?! Like What?! Explosion boi as this angel?!
I’m so happy lol^^
*bakugo fangirling intensifies*
Haaaaaaaa really !!!!
N O N S E N S E
They seem to be very good friends :)
Netflix Kaworu friendzoned Shinji.
Only girls can catch by the hand and call friends
i hate this existance
Yeah... "Friends", sure :v
@@PineOwl what episode
I'm not mad at the "It means I like you", even though using "In other words, I love you." will be more surprising and satisfying on a thermatic level. What I AM mad about, is the freaking "You are worthy of my grace." Like, yes, "koui" literally means "grace, kindness", but put it in this context, accompanied with "my", makes it feels like Kaworu is looking down on Shinji, which is INCORRECT. And if the translator decided to go on the "ambiguos" route, they should've used the phrase "You are worthy of affection.", which could both imply platonic and romantic interest, and serve as a substitute for the "koi" (恋) and "koui" (好意) confusion.
Goddamnit Netflix!!!
In the original he says you have my regard, so it does fit
for real.
Wait, he didn’t say “koi”??? I always thought he did? Or is the use of “koui” purposeful, like a play on words?
I think "you are worthy of my empathy" from the original dub is the best translation. It carries warmth, humanity, love in both the romantic and platonic way.
Netflix ruins everything they touch what’s new
Me: *tries to propose to crush without being weird*
Also me: “yOu ArE wOrThY oF mY gRaCe”
Iq 100000000
I know the worthy of my grace was supposed to allude that he was an angel, but honestly, him humming the choir song and having it be played when he enters the room is foreshadowing enough
'the choir song' - imagine being such an much of an uneducated pleb you don't know ode to joy when you hear it
aand someone you managed to be even dumber than I thought
@@helvete_ingres4717 can you fucking chill out?? You’re getting heated on an Evangelion video
Why is he moaning, Kaworu haven't done anything to him yet lmao 🤣😂
WHAT
I know right XD
Yet?! Lmao
"yet" xD
ELABORATE NOW
"it means, we're pretty good buddies, shinji. no homo."
I had to hear for myself after Guigguk shared this info.
My conclusion: I like the bluntness of the line "I love you" cuz Kaworu isn't human and woulden't bother with subtleties. However it's still pretty clear the line "I like you" is romantic.
UltimateGeek He said 好きことさ
He said Suki. It can mean either one. But it's not said in a romantic way
I say fuck the Japanese translation, the line should be “in other words, I love you”. It means either in English and fits better thematically
"Maybe i was born to meet you" Is an alternative way to say i Love you
Yeah, Kaworu loves Shinji, but can we talk about how he comes to love him in the exact same episode, maybe even same day, that he was introduced?😂
At this point, in the rebuild is canon that they are in a loop and Kaworu remember Shinji every time they meet...
I do wish they had more time to develop. Or, you know, _just don't kill off Kaworu so that implied development can happen_
@@auroraabigail96 holy shit
@@auroraabigail96 SO, REBUILD KAWORU REMEMBER THIS?😦
@@auroraabigail96 No I think it only loops at the end of EoE
“We gotta go to bed” “ with you?” “No!” And historians said they were just friends
anime kaworu: gay
manga kaworu: autistic
rebuild kaworu: simp
netflixworu: no homo
That’s so real
Shinji sounds like he’s from a badly done yaoi bl cd.
wait
No shit I tried watching Netflix Eva and I just sat here like "Shinji sounds like every 12 year old girl reading a yaoi fic can we PLEASE GET SPIKE BACK ON THIS SHIT"
how dare you
This is why I hate the Netflix dub
@@kaydwessie296 unless he's not voicing by a female in an English version
I just chocked on my crayons
"i like you" HES SUPPOSED TO SAY I LOVE YOU I HATE IT HERE
in Russian voice acting he said "that's why you are attractive to me" and then "I love you" (●'◡'●)
still a better relationship than Shinji and Asuka
Ah yes. Shinji loves Kaworu so much that he decapitated him. 😂😂😂
Asuka stays winning
@@user-pn3im5sm7k He didn't want to, to be fair-
@@user-pn3im5sm7k yes, and shinji boy did what with asuka neck
@@user-pn3im5sm7k Yes and Shinji loves Asuka so much that he strangles her 🤪☺️
Twice!😮
@@user-pn3im5sm7k i cringed so hard at this
It means...
*NO HOMO*
Yes no homo indeed.
"We should head to bed..."
_"With you?"_
LMAOO
Thats…um ….how can i say it😅
he’s so funny
Cliff nailed it as Kaworu! I love his voice for our gay angel boy.
It's a shame they changed "love" to "like" in this scene, but I still got the sense of Kaworu's infactuation for Shinji nonetheless. Also saying you love someone after only talking to them two times is very unnerving and unnatural, so I can look past it.
They didn't change it. They just translated it correctly, which the ADV dub, being based on fansubs, failed to do.
@@JayAreAitch I wouldn't say that ''i love you'' is an incorrect translation perse. Depending on the context, ''suki'' can mean ''love'' instead of ''like''.
@@JayAreAitchit's been a while, but yes you're right.
personally i like that kaworu says i like you instead of i love you.
i love you is just too aggressive and feels rushed considering the two have only known each other a day.
"i like you" still gets the point across but feels more realistic as it has a flirty connotation.
It's also more accurate to the original japanese.
And of course "I like you" still has implications of "like LIKE" even in Japanese.
The point is the same.
While I feel that love would have sounded more sincere and comforting, I think like also works in a way that teens often say "like" when referring to someone they have a crush on. In my school at least. The actor's voice is also pretty convincing here.
Yes, it’s the same in Japan.
in Russian voice acting he said "that's why you are attractive to me" and then "I love you" (●'◡'●)
Same here when u talk spanish
historians: THEY WERE GOOD FRIENDS
At least the way the actor for Kaoworu said it sounds romantic and real, it’s a shame though they changed it all together
Thanks for uploading it
Very He does sound quite romantic within the dub although the line was changed. : )
@@PineOwl The entire episode's script is far more accurate to the Japanese. Matt Greenfield confessed that he essentially fansubbed the final stretch of episodes instead of waiting for the official scripts (hence him misinterpreting "koui" as "koi'). One big giveaway of this is his mistaking Asuka's father having sex with Kyoko's doctor in the next room for Asuka's grandmother mourning in the following scene.
Oh yea what a huge change... Completely changed my watch experience...
@@TDOMMX it's so literal I think it loses meaning to native English viewers which is frustrating
I didn't expect how cool kaworu's voice dubbed in english are
wow theyre such good friends!
side eye ....
'i think theres already a bed ready for you kaworu, just for you.'
'I see, humans live with the constant feeling of pain in their hearts'
Such an amazing voice but he had to say love. He was agape and you had to round out all the forms of love with him. So dropping the word love leaves out the subtext. And saying like instead makes it a strictly romantic confession. Yes it's weird but that's how it works, even though love is stronger than like, it is more flexible.
People are allowed to prefer him saying love, sweetheart.
Think its because it sounds natural. Confessing is one thing, but he recently met him so it would come of as forced
I swear I remember he said love the first time I watched it on netflix in 2021
AGAPE
Neon Gaynesses Evangelion
I can’t believe my man fell for This Emo poetry spiting white boy but in not surprised
“Humans live with a constant feeling of pain inside of their hearts, but their hearts are sensitive to pain so it makes living difficult. Their hearts are delicate like glass, yours especially.”
What's the straight version of whitewashing? Straightwashing?
They tried to make this more accurate to the original Japanese script, knowing that information I don't think that's how I'd describe this.
@@repeate.6094 I know in japanese the word "suki" can mean either like or love. Lots of japanese is contextual. I think it's pretty safe based on the context that kaworu was telling shinji he loved him. "Ai" and "Koi" are also used to mean love in japanese, but in this instance, word "suki" is used
Dankey Kang True, but “suki” is usually literally translated as “like” as opposed to “love”, though it is what you would say to someone you’re romantically interested in. “Love” is too strong of a word in those circumstances, you rarely hear anyone use “aishiteru” which is literally “love”.
Tbh as a LGBT person myself I actually kinda like the line. While it would've been awesome for him to say I love you, hearing him say I like you sound more realistic. Though the only part that came off as weird to me is the "Your worthy of my grace" line, but it's something I'm willing to gloss over.
Queerbaiting
"Yes your worthy of my grace" IM KILLING SOMEONE.
“Are you afraid of intimacy with others”
Kaworu rizzed Shinji so hard I actually felt rizzed
Kaworu started talking about hearts so much I thought it was a Kingdom Hearts secret ending
"Shinji, you're like a brother to me, bro."
In the defense of Netflix, Kaworu used the lighter form of "I love you", the "daisuki" that can be translated to "I like" rather than "I love" in the case of "aishiteru". Plus Kaworu has no grip on the emotions that humans possess (such as love) as it is seen that his interactions with people are oftenly confusing.
BE WHO YOU AREEEEEEE FOR YOUR PRIIIDDEEE 🌈🏳️🌈‼️
PLS-
BE WHO YOU ARE AREEEEEEE🏳️🌈🏳️🌈
DONTT HIDEEE🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🏳️🌈
No.
@@adamsamuelhayes6558 yes
“Have tea with me “
“I’m not a girl”
Even though the Netflix dub is pretty trash, Kaworu’s new voice matches him better than the old version(in my personal opinion)
agree tbh
It ain't trash
I still think the 90s dub did it best with "you are worthy of my empathy"
you’re telling me Clifford was 14 when he voiced kaworu. 😀
he’s a voice acting star at heart I see.
He wasn't 14 this isn't the original kowaru this is a new dub put out in 2019 by netflix
Where did you hear that?
That ending part « I’m saying I like you », I almost dropped my phone and fainted… my heart 🥲
The original is "I'm saying I love you" .... I have it on the original English-dubbed video from the 2000's somewhere. I watched it when I was 10 and thought "wwooooooww..!"
MY HEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAART.......... 😂😂
Clifford Chapin sounds amazing as kawaru
He sounds like a CHAD and I’m living for it
Kaworu: "Would you rather i didn't come?"
Shinji "N-No-"
Ayo wtf? lmao
Kaworu: "I like you..."
Shinji: "No homo...right?"
Kaworu: "....~"
Shinji: "Right?"
Netflix somehow made this scene heartfelt, funny, upsetting, and stupid all at the same time.
Shinji just had a third impact in his pants
was not expecting this comment but that got me xD
But he wasn't even wearing any in this scene
He is 14 leave my man alone 😭
Shinjo you are a good dude
Shinjo you seem like a good friend.
You're worthy of my grace. For somebody to even allow you to be their friend even though most people don't see friendship as something special. To come close to another's universe
The Netflix dub is the very first time I watched Evangelion, and I got the gay subtext immediately. I guess ppl just mad because they actually got the "I love you" in the original version, but imo at least, this was already hella gay in itself 🥴
Kaworu be making me feel a little gay but I’m straight. Someone help
id like to point out how the english episode names are still blatantly visible on each episode yet netflix still renamed them
Hot take: you are worthy of my grace is straight up godposting and I like it
if anyone ever told me that i was worthy of their grace i think i would simply die
I actually prefer this version, it feels more natural and even tho he said like and not love, I find it more romantic and beautiful
I don’t mind it tho, ion like the ‘your worthy of my grace’
@@mawaomar9530Same it makes it feel like kaworu is some superior being and think he’s better then shinji😭
@@Starfishluver exactly!! the entire point of kaworu character in the anime was to make shinji hopeful
@@mawaomar9530 exactly !!kaworu was the only person to love shinji unconditionally🙁they robbed us from this scene
It's time, Kaworu-kun... SURF'S UP
idk i like Kaworu VA more in this Dub and Shinji sounds a lot like his Japanese voice, it aint bad
As for the line it kinda sucks but i heard Khara and Gainax were very hands on with the translation and because the word Kaworu used in Japanese can be translated both as Love and as Like they went with the very litteral "like"..I dont think Netflix has any agenda
Thank you! :)
Capilah ! Well, his VA is trans, so...
@@capilah6285 Ah yes, they feminised Shinji. The insanely high test anime protagonist, totally NOT voiced by a woman in the original.
Actual gladiators: ADV dub
Historians on gladiators: Netflix dub
Ever occur to people that this scene does still give the idea across plenty without him having to literally say it
Still an unnecessary change made to make it sound as not-gay as possible. They wouldn't have done that shit if one of 'em was a girl.
MutterSchwein it’s more accurate to the Japanese translation you fucking tard
@@furiousape7717 Technically speaking, "love" would have worked too. Japanese relies more on context in comparison to English. 好き can actually be used and translated into both like or love based on context.
two bros chilling in a hot tub
less than 5 feet apart bc they’re gay
"""""YOU ARE WORTHY OF MY GRACE"""" ahahahhHAAHAHAHAHHAHAH
“They ain’t gay”
-Stage 1, Denial.
boyfriends
top 10 anime friendzones number 1 will shock you!
Shinji: Please someone love me!!
Gendo: No.
Asuka: No.
Rei: No.
Misato: No.
Kaworu: Yes.
Shinji: I love yooooooooou!!
Bro can even rizz up beerus💀
After a while
Shinji: You traitor!!
Well even thought I really wished they would have used the 'I love you' line I am not mad. Netflix tried to be as accurate as possible on the Japanese dub and they used 'suki' which can mean like and love at the same time. And they still showed the intimatecy beetwen kaworu and shinji like kaworu touching shinjis hand, shinji blushing, kaworus bedroom eyes (just kidding) and the way they says it any person would notice that his like means more than friendship
Close friends
@@PineOwl cousins
@@unicongirl2049 czcams.com/video/ye5BuYf8q4o/video.html
@@PineOwl I did not expect this! Thanks I am laughing my ass of trying to think of a good comeback to this
@@PineOwl "shinji I was meant to be your cousin" kaworu while looking at shinji with flirty eyes
Shinji's so cutiee
"I dont need your grace, buddy. Now pick up dat soap..."
I keep coming here every day🥰 I love this English version as well as the Japanese ones
ok i get the netflix verson toned it way down but holy shit shinjis voice is SOOO CUTE HERE AKAAYKAYYSAHAHSAHAHHSHA
I’d argue the change makes it a little gayer.
me attempting to confess to my crush:
*you are worthy of my grace*
guys their such good friends!
Clearly he's friendzoning him to keep him from getting his hopes up because he knows what's coming.
Keep in mind that the Netflix translation is made by a Studio Khara staff who translates the Japanese script closely to what they actually are in English.
Kaworu is Bakugou...
Same voice actor, but if bakugo acted out of character he'll sound like kaworu
"you're worthy of my grace 🤓🤓😇😇😇😁😁"
historians will say theyre just good friends
Kaworu is simping hard for Shinji, only for Shinji to be a chad
Man, Shinji is such a cute f ck :3
If only his upbringing had been better, so he could put that cuteness to good use.
“It’s time to go to bed” “with you?” *_”NO”_*
*Soiler b^tCh*
Me: perfe-
Kaworu are Angel-
Me: can't spoil it, right?
YES, HE CAN
“It means I love the Mets shinji! All about the Mets baby come on get a home run baby gotta love the Mets!”
"Im saying i like you"AAAA JUST ACCEPT HIM ALREADY PLEASE
"You headed there right?"
Idk sir where are you headed to?
"Would you rather I didn't COME"
shinji: hol up
Like ... the Touch of an Angel
I wish I was on Shinji's place
i like kaworu's netflix dub voice over the ADV dub's voice and i don't think their intent here was to remove subtext lol
Idk why but this sounds a hella lot more saucier than the original,
Is this the part where I get canelled
It's still kind of obvious what it means, him saying "I love you" straight up is too blunt
Cheers to the Pride Month 🏳️🌈
1:17 This is why Asuka calls him Baka Shinji
This brings me ungodly amounts of rage lol
Stans cryin up a storm like fr he dies two seconds later- 💀