.30 Caliber Cartridges Gone For Good? - Season 2: Episode 63
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- Welcome to the Ron Spomer Outdoors Podcast! In this episode, I answer questions about recoil, the 375 Ruger, and the .30 calibers' new competition. Enjoy!
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00:00 - Intro
00:33 - Is recoil impacted by chamber working pressure?
03:48 - I recently inherited a Western Auto Revelation Mod 200 30-30 Win. when my father-in-law passed away. Can you provide any information on this rifle? Are they safe shooters or should I wall mount it in my den?
06:40 - I’m trying to get my hands on a Ruger No. 1. any suggestions on unusual calibers for that rifle?
10:02 - Is the 375 Ruger a good choice for an Africa hunting trip?
12:51 - I have been wondering about rifle barrels. Does it make a difference if they are button rifled or hammer forged? Do you have a preference and if so, why?
17:39 - I’ve read opinions online that the .338 isn’t really a good step up in caliber from the 30-06. What are your thoughts?
22:20 - Why do you think 30 calibers aren't as popular anymore?
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Who is Ron Spomer
For 44 years I’ve had the good fortune to photograph and write about my passion - the outdoor life. Wild creatures and wild places have always stirred me - from the first flushing pheasant that frightened me out of my socks in grandpa’s cornfield to the last whitetail that dismissed me with a wag of its tail. In my attempts to connect with this natural wonder, to become an integral part of our ecosystem and capture a bit of its mystery, I’ve photographed, hiked, hunted, birded, and fished across much of this planet. I've seen the beauty that everyone should see, survived adventures that everyone should experience. I may not have climbed the highest mountains, canoed the wildest rivers, caught the largest fish or shot the biggest bucks, but I’ve tried. Perhaps you have, too. And that’s the essential thing. Being out there, an active participant in our outdoor world.
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No way. The economy of scale with 30-30, .308 Win, 30-06 and 300 Win mag alone are going to keep 30 cal alive for a *LONG* time.
And the 300 BO, 300 PRC
@@dr.froghopper6711 I don’t know if those are quite as large scale as the others I mentioned.
I agree. This guy bugs me. One video he’ll say 300 win mags are terrible and not necessary and that the 270 is the best. Then the next video he’ll say 270 is terrible 25-06 are the best caliber all around. Then he pulls out ballistics from old loading manuals and uses the science to compare all these guns.
I instantly thought this exact thing
You bet!
The 30-06, .308 and 300 win mag will never be gone
.308 there is a lesser 7.62x51 variant and my brothers Rock River Arms Varmmit A4 with the blued barrel is going to be his deer hunting gun seeing how easy the ammo is to find as his 243 is broken and is stuck as a single shot due to Savage had some issues with the early versions of the model he got in the 2000's. He plans to sell his 234 with maybe keeping the scope for a different gun to a local Gun Shop that has ability to fix the gun before he is selling it as he only needs the one Deer gun and has a single smaller ammo of under 7 rounds, a 5 for hunting. 30-30 should never be gone too as that is one of the most popular rounds for a Deer rifle in the USA besides the 243 Remmington Pump Varment I have for hunting Deer as I am a lefty, and 270 Dad has for Deer/one time he got a hard to get Elk tag for the one part of South Dakota they have Elk.
Absolutely but the gagit kids are evolved and there now long range toys. Its hard to justify them for past 250 300 yrds on game.
@@travissmith-wz5nc The only time I could see a large .30 cal round being used is for the maybe 30-06 but currently the 308/Nato designation to hunt large mule deer or Elk on up in the USA or as an easier to find replacement for the 270 in modern times knowing the ammo due to NATO designation is always going to be made.
@@caseysmith544 well that was the thought behind what I said. The problem is the kids that like the new gagits and toys. Not a believer in them for big game past 250 yards.
@@travissmith-wz5nc I like 06 and have 3 rifles with tuned ammo. 1 hole per 5 shots at 100. Can hit a 10' paper plate at 400 yards every time in a dead wind. Dropped whitetail at 600 yards. 5 deer with 5 shots on the first weekend for years...
Stopped loading Win 300 and 270 too much variation in loads with temperature thought the 300 is a close second.
308 is light military and a wasted time developing.
I bought a Remington 700 in 1972 in 30-06. I have taken everything from Brown bear to white tail and prairie dogs. Back then the bullet selection was insane. From 4,000 fps sabot 22s to 220 gr round nose Core-Lokt. There was virtually no game off limits. We even had a 300 yard challenge on squirrels with our pals.
The .300 WinMag, 30-06, .308, and 30-30 will be around for as long as ammo, calibers, and rifles are a thing.
Ron's flip-flops, as alleged, are the best evidence that each cartridge has its place, with none being the best at everything.
Our job as shooters is to know what we are shooting, what we are shooting at, the advantages and limitations of the cartridge in our rifles, the ballistic and terminal performance of that cartridge, and our own limitations.
Ron presentation helps me understand all that better. I am thankful for this channel.
Hi Ron, another good show. I really am enjoying these.
Yes, the 30 cals are done and dusted. Please tell your viewers to leave all the 30 Carb, 30-30, 300 Sav, 308 Win, 30-06, 300 Win, 300 RUM and 300 Wby ammo on the shelves for ME. If any view is troubled by having those at home, by all means, feel free to ship it to ME. Thank you.
Cheers, Jeff
Don’t mind splitting some of the .308 you score specifically any 155 gr
@@bradreid2906 OK, you're in.
I could use some 150 grainers. Especially Nosler Partitions. I load them in 300 Savage, 308 Winchester and my out dated 300 H&H.
@@davewinter2688 you had me at 300 Savage.
.30-30 is a pain to find. Granted I go for Leverevolution ammo for that
My son has his grandfather’s Sears 30/30, very cool piece of history
🤔 I'm keeping my 308Win either way 🤣
Me to! In years past my favorite was the 30-06 but after I found a rugar 77 in 308 it’s now my favorite. I still wouldn’t part with my 06s though.
I am considering getting one. I love my 06s, but see no flies on the shorter son. Any military, or former, cartridge will have much more available ammunition and components. 308 Win has been one of the more available and reasonably priced cartridges of late. Certainly capable of taking any game in USA at reasonable ranges and available rifles in every platform, including AR.
Definitely man
I don't blame you it's a good round
I won't be giving up my 30-06 any time soon. Nice combination of acceptable recoil and downrange performance. The 30s will live a long time in the US.
You will never see the 30-30 or the 30-06,308,300 win mag be totally gone in America
And the .308
Absolutely right cuz 308 is the one around that you can pretty much find all the time if there's anything on the shelves they stock 308 and 22 and 12 gauge where I'm at
@@chaseyourdreams4104 Or where I live 20, 12, 22 and 208/7.62 where I live, yes 20 guage was gone at one point during the pandemic of gun buying in 2021 or all they had was extra low brass led in 7 on up. In most states, you can't hunt or can't hunt on public with led shotgun round nore does a 7 on up make for a good hunting round with 8 & 9 being crap even for clay targets.
Yep, we just might not ever see ammo available for sale.
I love my hard hitting hard kicking calibers. When looking for a long range shooter I could have requested any caliber I wanted, however, I decided on the .300 win mag for not only the long range power but also because I was already reloading the .30-06 and I could use pretty much the same powders, bullets etc in both the 06 and the .300 win mag.
I had the same dilemma with my 30-06. I wanted to go up to a Magnum. Looked at the 338 Winchester Magnum but decided that the 300 win mag was only marginally less powerful but I can maintain 30 caliber bullets that would also work in my 30-06.
As a retired elk guide in western MT I can tell you without a doubt that far too many hunters think a big magnum will make up for poor shooting. They also think that they can shoot accurately at 600 yards if their cartridge can. I spent far too much time tracking woulded elk to the point I almost felt like forcing them to use the camp 308. I remember pone hunt where a guy from WI camp to camp with a 270. The other 8 hunters in camp gave him some good nature teasing. All but one hunter got a shot. My guy and his 270 scored the only bull. A beautiful 260 yard shot right thru the lungs. The elk took 10 steps and fell over dead. Rifles don't make up for poor marksmanship nor the inability to hunt forward for a closer shot
We live on different sides of the planet.... .30 and especially 308win has never been more popular, I estimate that over 80% of new sold rifles in Sweden are in 308win. It works great, easy on the shooter and is the least expensive center fired ammo around
Well. I would have guessed the 6.5 Swedish Mauser would have been more popular where you live.
@@robertodebeers2551 Among existing rifles, 6.5-55 is a large proportion. (also lots of 30-06, 9.3-57 & 9.3-62). But for new, the large majority is in .308 for pure hunting rifles and newer 6.5CR and similar for rifles also used for sport shooting.
@@rv-14ctrl Thanks. I can see the appeal of the newer cartridges, but, like my Dad, I'm a 30-06 man.
There is NO caliber that has more selections and bullet styles and weights than the .30 hands down, and one gun Can and does do it all the 300 mags for my the win mag
I am the proud owner of a Ruger #1 standard chambered in 300 weatherby. It has a 26 inch barrel but the rifle is the same overall length as my 22 inch 30/06 bolt gun.
the Ruger-no 1 has class and the 30 cal work very well .it looks the gun makers are trying to get us to get a new gun
I'll take my 300 over my 6.5 or a 7mm any day. It's just my personal preference and with a suppressor the recoil is a non issue
I love the 338 bore! My personal choice is the 338/06AI and the 338 RUM. The 338/06 is incredibly reliable with just about any makers bullet , I had a good stash of 200 gr ballistic tips which were a great deer/elk bullet. The ultra mag is simply a hammer!
It warms my heart to see so many of the younger generation of hunters that still flock to and defend 30 cal rifles.
I have a Ruger #1 International in 7x57. I absolutely love it.
awesome rifle.
Fine rifle with a time-proven excellent cartridge.
I’m gonna go out on a limb and say that at least 50% of the American hunting community hunts with either 30-30, 308 or 30-06. They simply work and been around forever. I personally use 30-06 in multiple rifles.
Agreed. I use a .308. Just because of the wide variety of ammo available...30 cals will not disappear in my lifetime
I did a poll on my channel and 50% voted 30 caliber as their main hunting caliber. I think you're right.
@@ReloadingWeatherby 50%?!?!
That's nearly half. Lol
Agreed! Here in Ireland: 270, 7mag, 308, 30-06. Almost no 30-30. Guys who bought 6.5 Creedmore for hunting went back to the above after one season deer hunting. That’s what dealer friends are telling me.
I'm bringing both this year. Meaning 30-30 and .308
In Afghanistan, a marine company was noticing differences in service life of their barrels. It was a very active company and the rifles were getting a lot more workout than other military units. Investigated and discovered that the hammer forged barrels were the ones lasting longer. Not a downcheck for cut or button rifling. They worked well, but the hammered barrels were lasting longer.
While the 30's aren't getting a lot of "new press", there's still a whole lot of 30 caliber shooters. Tried and true. Ever loyal. They aren't going to disappear any time soon.
Sako uses hammer forged barrels, I've cryo-treated all my Sako barrels (simply for stress relief), and they last well.
Grew up on a 30-30 when I wasn't bow hunting, bought a Rem 700 in 308, used it on the first day, flattened two doe , the first one dropped in it's tracks, the second one ran maybe 4 yards. 30-30 always put them down quickly too when the placement is correct.
Glad to see a reference to Western Auto, which was unique in the range of things they sold. A lot of sporting goods, which guns were a part of back then. Many small towns had these stores.
.30 will be around for a very long time. It already has but the .30 caliber is time itself. Lol it will out live you and everyone you love. I just wish they made more .30 Carbine.
Western Auto was kind of like an Ace Hardware and a Napa parts store rolled together. Our local store had most auto parts available, either shelf stock or fast order, plus they had sporting goods (guns and ammo, tents, archery, fishing equipment, coolers etc ). They also sold hunting and fishing licenses, canning equipment, tools etc, and at Christmas time they had ornaments and all kinds of kids toys for Santa to buy. They eventually went the way of Woolworths, Montgomery Wards, and the DoDo birds. I have a Marlin model 70 which is a 22 lr produced for Western Auto.
I've heard of (there is one we shoot at my grandma's) a marlin model 60 in .22 lr. I have never seen a marlin model 70. Is it a bolt action or semi auto?
I still have my first shotgun. A Western Auto Revelation 20 gauge bolt action. I bought it when I was about 12 or 13 in the mid 70's.
A good friend of mine has a Western Auto Revelation. I’m going through it for him now. Solid rifle perfectly shootable.
That was my question he answered and I’m looking forward to using that rifle to take some pa whitetails the fall.
Ron, you mentioned the 338 win mag but forgot about the 338-06! If you’re making a comparison between a 30-06 and any of the .338 caliber chamberings, that one is hard to ignore. I think the benefit of a .338 bullet in the 30-06 case is pretty apparent from the ballistic charts with better retained energy at distance even before you step up to the win mag. It even has some benefits on top of the 35 Whelen with the better BC of those .338 bullets, although I think one of your cartridge comparisons between the 30-06, 338-06 and the 35 Whelen would be pretty neat. Great video as always!
I made similar comments in my long treatise regarding several things covered in this video. I have both 35 Whelen and 338-06. Just think how versatile the 30-06 case is. Just about anything you make from it is going to be good.
Don't forget the Ruger .338 RCM. Marlin chambered their own proprietary .338 with help from Hornady, the .338 Marlin. This poor chambering used only one weight bullet, a 200 grain Hornady FTX in the Leverevolution brand. It had .30-06 ballistics to a point but was not versatile in varying bullet weights. There was a lot of money wasted on this chambering as well as the .308 Marlin, both gone and pretty much forgotten. Trying to get bolt action performance in a rifle with a tubular magazine is pure folly.
Hard to get the rifle and make the ammo, I love the 338/06 but the 338 win mag and 300 win mag are the obvious choice for an upgrade from 30/06.
Love my 35 whelen! 3 for 3 this year all bang flops no tracking necessary a good thing when hunting a wet marsh with 200+ yard shots.
I've got a Ruger #1 chambered in .204 Ruger
It looks like a work of art!
Had a young soldier that owned a Ruger #1 chambered in .280 Remington. It had no serial number and the cartridge markings were in the raw and the crown was in the raw as well. He let me shoot it, awesome rifle.
I actually knew a girl (she was very petite) that hunted deer with a Ruger #1 chambered in .280. I never shot it, but she let me check it out when she stopped by my house, after a hunting trip. It was very cool.
30 can't be gone for good, the whole country already has them in the safe.
My dad had one of those 30/30s bought it before I was born. Just before he passed he gave it to my little brother. My dad killed many deer with it over the years. No problems with it that ever heard of .
Iv ended up with a couple sears shotguns and 22lrs over the years, mostly inherited. Always found them interesting imagining them being ordered through a catalog but never gave it much thought or research.
Usually if a western auto question occurs it needs to be evaluated. If it was in good shape they probably wouldn't ask. The number one is very special. It also allows reloading far beyond factory velocities with careful pressure observation. I usually can do 1-2gr over any max load without issue but I don't encourage this practice. I have 32yrs experience doing this, and only experiment with the number one or the M77.
300wsm. 30 06.... 308 and 3030 and the 270 are king in my part of the country... Thanks
Always a good time when listening to Ron.
I bought my first archery set at Western Auto in Baltimore City back around 1975, it was a blue fiberglass bow with field tip arrows. I got a few rabbits with that thing.
When I was young, late 40s - early 50s, I got bicycle chains at Western Auto on Central Ave, Knoxville TN.
I was blessed to inherit a Ruger #1 in 22-250 from a friend he taught me reloading and just helped me in general in my teens. Sadly while in the Marines in California after a long coyote hunt. It was stolen from my truck while I was helping a friend program more calls onto his FoxPro. Sad day. I never missed a coyote with that gun and never had to re-zero it from his zero. I miss it everyday hopefully one day it's found. Awesome video! Keep it up!
Thanks for answering my questions on the Western Auto 30-30. After your reply I’m looking forward to harvesting a few Pa Whitetales with it this fall. Thanks again and keep the awesome shows coming.
Thank you for this video. You offer an excellent discussion of the whys and wherefores of the various cartridges.
Best you tube show regarding firearms knowledge. Love it
we have a hunting safari on our place in Cape York in Australia, and about 90% of the people who come along have 30cal bullets... usually 308, 30-06, or sometimes 300wm. Plus in Australia, if you want semi-auto for hunting pigs, you can't legally use anything under 308 (pretty much all the pro chopper hunters use 308).
My first shotgun (early 80’s) was a revelation 20 gauge that was made by mossberg
Very many years ago i was trained on the FN-C1 and C2 in the CDN Infantry. I purchased my own 308 win because I enjoyed shooting the 7.62x51, and learned its capabilities. I reload and have never wounded or lost any game with it. I will not be getting rid of it any time, and after 40 years of using it, its like a part of me.
Can't exactly shoot them nowadays though. Prohibited and all that.
Unless of course you moved to the States.
@@dwi2921 My point was that I use 308 Win exclusively, I know the cartridge and its capabilities. I don't need magnums to compensate for bad shooting
@@reloadnorth7722
I am aware of what your point was. 308 gets the job done no doubt about that.
I was simply pointing out the depressing state of gun ownership in Canada right now.
@@dwi2921 Hello. Yes, I agree. Please stay safe and vigilant.
Love all your info!!! Thanks keep it coming!!
Thanks David
to answer the ruger no.1 question, they made it in 9.3-74r at one point in time.
Ron, on the 30-06/338 question, I'm surprised you didn't mention the 338 Fed. I know you have a soft spot for that little darling. Don't forget the 338-06 or one of my favorites the 340 Wby. Your answer to that gentleman was spot on, with the limited info you were given. In my experience the 338 Win punches game alot harder than the old reliable 06. Punches the shooter harder too. Is it needed? No way to know. Is your insurance policy needed? No. Until it is, then it's needed real bad.
Keep up the good work.
Cheers, Jeff.
Western auto was bought out by advance auto . Western Auto you could get anything . From auto parts to washers and dryers and bicycles . Guns , fishing poles , everything . They had a big catalog . Greensburg Kentucky had one used to love going in there . Joe the owner of the store let me go and look at all the rifles behind the counter , and help him sale one someone was looking at . Those was good days .
Very informative. Thanks!
Great show Ron..
I have a .300 H&H in a Winchester M70 made in 1990. Yes, it's pushfeed but I love it - a perfect match to my .375 H&H Model 70. In my opinion "the .300 H&H is obsolete because the .300 Win. Mag. came along" is bunk. The H&H is a bit less powerful than the Win mag - agreed - but the difference is so slight I doubt any animal on the receiving end could tell the difference.
I am a woods hunter almost exclusively, and my 336 Marlin in 30-30 is my go to when hunting in rifle season (Black powder being my main season) but for those few times I am watching a 200+ yard field, swamp, or powerline, I have a scoped 1885 Browning falling block in 30-06 that I am very confident with. It has a 28 inch barrel, and no longer a gun than any bolt action. And it can clover leaf 3 shots with factory Federal Premium nosler partition rounds at 100 yards. Love the gun. And if anyone is concerned about only one shot, I can only say this: it is the first shot that only counts.
Thanks again for the video. I really appreciate your extensive information on You Tube.
Ever since my dad passed away 11 years ago, I try to take at least 1deer per season with his old Western Auto Revelation 30/30. I love that rifle. Three generations have killed deer with that rifle.
I have an old Western Auto .30-30 and can tell no real difference between it and the Marlin 336 other than it has a hardwood stock. Wife actually bought it for me as a birthday present because she knew I liked old guns and she picked it out at a little hole in the wall gun shop I’d never even been to myself. Turned out it be a perfectly fine rifle. Just worn enough to have some character and is now my saddle/ATV gun.
I remember Western Auto and used to go there with my dad. They were neat stores as they had an cool mix of auto parts, guns, and a little bit of hardware. To me having a rifle from them adds a little uniqueness to a very common Marlin model.
Where did you find your wife and does she have a sister that thinks like she does?
Love your show. Thought you might like my Ruger #1 it is a 378 Weatherby necked down to 338 and I shoot a 225 grain bullet at 3200 ft/sec needs 115 grains of powder
I am long time 30 caliber fan. You can never beat price
i haven't used a 30/30 in several years, but i took several blacktail with it. out to 250yds! never lost any! also shot several with .308 same result. my brother uses a .300 weatherby and uses it for every thing from coyotes to elk,he loves it. I now use a 6.5x55mm for every thing here in Wash. state
The 270 does everything that modern 6.5mm and 7mm do. The shift has been so to marketing mostly.
this was really a lot of fun. in my seventies now so i'm an armchair shooter. love your vids and reminiscing.
I'm a long time 30 fan, I've got a 300 savage, 30-06, .308 and a 30 Nosler. Certainly don't need all of those but I love having 4 rifles that take the same bullet size when reloading, lots of options there. I built my Nosler on a tang safety Ruger m77 that I bought new in 338 Win Mag when I was 19 and thought I was tough. I proceeded to work up multiple loads for it and only came up with one moa load, a 250 grand slam but my shoulder really paid for it! Fast forward 40 years and I dusted off the Rifle and had PacNor re barrel it to 30 Nosler and threaded it for a brake, a Lilja Heartbreaker. I spent an afternoon breaking in the barrel, 40 rounds, no bruising! In 338 Win Mag, half a dozen rounds were uncomfortable and a box plain hurt. I know a lot of people don't like being around braked rifles at a range but once you shoot one on a heavy cartridge you will never go back! I'm keeping all my 30's, the kids can have all the 6.5's they want! My Nosler shoots .44 MOA, good enough for me!
Let's hope not! .308 all the way!!!
Ruger #1 in 220 Swift, 6 Rem, 7mm STW, 375 H&H, are all pretty cool.
I have a Revelation! It is very nice. It has a very nice walnut stock. It is just like a Marlin 336C. It does nothave the Gold Plated trigger, Howerer. Mine was manufactered in 1963. It shoot good tight groups. I really like it. One again, It is identical to the top grade Marlin 336 at that time. Mine looks almost brand new!
I've got a Ruger #1 in 450 3/4 Nitro Express. So far as I know their were only 250 ever made, in the Craig Boddington safari series.
The Western Auto 30-30 is an excellent rifle. I remember seeing them in the Western Auto stores as far up as the 1980's. Like you said Ron , they're a Marlin so they're great guns just scaled down to keep the price lower. I've always wanted to have one but don't see them around anymore.
I have a collection of various store branded firearms. J.C.Higgins (Sears), Western Field (Montgomery Wards), Revelation (Western Auto) and Foremost (J.C. Penny's).
A 30-06 with 230 grain bullets beats the crap out of steel at 1000+ yards and hangs right there with the 6.5/7mm cartridges that are comparable. I guess more recoil, but at the same time there are plenty of ways to mitigate that! Also I really enjoy 30 because there are so many bullet choices!
Never gonna loose the .30 love my 300 win mag hey James if you read the comments I have a No.1 in 257 Roberts amazing rifle love it a tack driver look around in pawn shops online they are out there plenty of wild calibers love the video Ron always informative and fun thanks
I remember Western Auto
Ruger no 1 in 35 whelen or 300 h&h would be cool.
300!H&H was my grandfathers moose caliber
i load 30-06 165 grain Hornady, and my 338 win mag with an older Barnes 185gr that is coated, loaded to about 3200 fps. I got the 338 for the bears in AK, and now it is my go-to gun for elk in Colorado, We are seeing very big Black bears here I believe they are well over 450-500lbs. Also, it seems there are a lot more of the little 200 lbs bears around. We just watched one run off trail this last weekend while scouting out for elk. Be safe all.
One thing that people don't bring up often enough when comparing calibers is just how much extra power you get from a step up in bore size. If you look at a handloading manual when using the same bullet with identical weight a 30/06 will out perform a .270 at hunting ranges with lower chamber pressure. At the muzzle it's possible to to get at least 200 FPS at least. It's important to remember that the gasses are pushing against
The base of the bullet and the larger the area the area the more they can push in. The ratio of base area to barrel contact friction points goes down as bore size goes up.
If a person is realistic about their max shots and can pick a rough range, they can do a better job at comparing calibers. If you are hunting Eastern woodlands it would be rare to take even a 200 yard shot. If you then compare the class of cartridges you are interested it should be easy to see one that offers higher performance for the same recoil. For me my max range is about 400 yards. I wanted a light shirt action mountain rifle and was looking at.308 class cartridges. The 308 is by far the most powerful but the 7mm and the 6.5mm overtake it around 300 yards. Since I wanted a lighter recoil rifle anyway and wasn't trying for max power the 7mm-08 was perfect and at 400 yards it has the highest energy and isn't overtaken by the 6.5CM until until well past 400 and maybe out to 500 yards.
Very astute perspective. And well conveyed. I think we all have a conscious or subconscious desire to reach as far as possible with as much power as possible, but as you point out, there is a lot of non-linear correlations that shooters would be smart to consider.
I love my Ruger #1 in 375 ruger!
Now I know what you meant that if all things equal ie. bullet mass then yes the 3000 ft per sec will have more recoil but the way you worded it sounded more broad stroke as in if something travels faster it will always have more recoil but I think that the easiest rebuttal to that is .223 vs .45-70. I realize what you meant but to somebody who may not know any better it did sound a little too broad stroke
The barrel life of a .30 bore for larger case capacity is undeniable compared to the smaller bores. Look at these old milsurp rifles in 30 cal having rough bores and still capable of impressive accuracy. I had a US M 1917 with a dark bore and it still shot 1.5 MOA. Just with sights provided. Original 1918 barrel.
Not going anywhere. As someone who’s lived on 22 and 26 calibers for almost 30 years. I just purchased a 3006, 300wm and 300 blackout. And the 26 was the Swedish long before the 260 and creedmoor
The Swedes were really on to something when they concluded the 6.5 caliber to be ideal., based on extensive testing. We have come full circle now and realized it here in the US, especially given today's superior bullet construction and powders.
The headline here made me chuckle.
What a great video 👏👏👍👍
I have seen at least 3 hammer forged barrels that shot crappy because the bore was an uneven circumference down through it. The middle 8 to 10 inches was about 2/1000 of an inch larger than the front and back parts of the barrel. There can be issues with hammer forged barrels that people should be aware of.
Me and my 300 Savage rifles will be around at least :)
Up here in Saskatchewan, I've sold more new rifles in 30-06 than any other cartridge, with 7mm rem mag in 2nd place. More 270wsm sold than 270win. 308 is down on the list as well. 3030 and 4570 are somewhere in the middle.
Western Auto sold a LOT of stuff other than car accessories even household appliances. My first rifle was bought from Western Auto in 1973. It was a Remington Model 700 ADL in 30-06 Sp. I still have a Revelation/Mossberg 500 12 ga. bought in 1974 as a birthday gift for my dad.
I remember seeing a test of a modern single shot falling block in 30-06 with handloads. the velocities equaled 300 magnum
26 inch barrel with 4831 4350 h1000 over 3100 fps with 165 grain bullets
Chamber pressure is irrelevant to calculating recoil. What matters is the weight and muzzle velocity of the bullet and of the gas expelled with it. As others have noted, the combined momentum of the stuff going forward has to equal the momentum of the stuff going back. Speaking of oddball Ruger No.1 calibers, I have a heavy barrel No. 1 in 32 Brewer, a Scheutzen cartridge based on the 357 Maximum. The rifle is topped by an ex-USMC Unertl target scope in the old-fashioned adjustable target mounts.
Yessir. On an electrical job long ago I was yakking about how I wished I had a Barrett and my good buddy Camilio from Croatia who fought in 91 said in his basso profundo voice in that commy accent: "Greg. You with your Barrett and me with my 20mm sniper rrrifle, I put a bullet in your eye from 2 miles." So I did a little, ok a lot, of checking on the 20mm including footage, and frankly it seems a bit difficult to carry. Usually those can have a team of 3, most often a team of 2 but Camilio, who was/is a big strong guy did it alone. He's my height (6'4") but more mesomorphic and he pulled it off. And no. Unless you're hunting t-rex a 50 bmg may be a tad much. I'm in the 6.5/7mm laser rangefinder crowd. I want a 220 Swift!! I can play with the wind.
The military also adopted .338 norma magnum as well
Can't go wrong with 9.3X62 either. Some really nice European rifles made in that calibre. Popular here in South Africa.
I have a 22 semiauto rifle that is a coast to coast brand, shoots fantastic.
I'm a fan of the 338 WM for African plains game because it adds a little more knock down certainty, and African hunting is really dependent on animal recovery. A wounded animal that requires tracking wastes time, and that is primarily what you are paying for in Africa.
I think the 30's are like the Ford F-150. The 6.5 creed is like a Mini-Cooper. Mini-Coopers are neat but not functional like F150s.
Please name the animal which will walk off a hit from a .264, but get bodied by a .308. I'd be very interested to know this new species you've apparently discovered.
Watch out Hrdrockfarm, you've got a Creedy fan on your tail. Or maybe a 264 Win, 260 Rem, 6.5x55 or a slue of the newbie 6.5 cartridges. Have fun with, be kind. 😁👍
Horandy only had to spend millions in advertising and some under the table cash to "influencers"to promote the cringemoor, when the 6.5x47 already was well established
6.5 manbun
Well, the thirty works for me. My old 94’ 30-30 has taken I don’t know how much game, especially pigs, over the last 52 years.
I hunt with 7mm08 love it I never shoot past 300 yards
Hey Ron. Thanks for answering my previous question. Patrick b here. Got another one for you. 6.5 prc or 7mm mag or possible the new 7mm prc for an all around cartridge to do most everything when it comes to hunting or long distance target shooting in America.
My all-round has been the 7mm Rem Mag. for some 20 years, but the coming PRC could take top spot.
I have a Western Auto Revelation 20g shotgun. Made by Mossberg. Works perfectly fine.
Sears and other retailers did that too, with everyone who built a good reputation. They hired Marlin, Winchester, and many others. My Winchester 94 is actually a Sears Ted Williams Model 100, a fantastic top eject Winchester 94, indentical other than branding.
Wild and crazy thirty cals are the way to go.
Started with a .270 Win. Then tried a.243 Win. Got a .30-06 and never saw a need for more changes. A plethora of excellent factory loads. With hand loads there’s nothing off the table.