Do It NOW Or You’re FIRED! w/ Tim Pierce
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- čas přidán 11. 06. 2024
- In this video Tim Pierce and I discuss the dirty business of making records.
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This needs to become a regular show, just Tim and Rick talking about music.
... and playing. Thats missing here, whereas when Tim is on Norman's Rare Guitars, they talk and he plays either himself or with others. That's all thats missing here, and maybe a little about their chosen guitar (in the session) and why - not geeky but a a minute or two - it helps and guitarists are generally interested in what pickups, amp etc are used to get the tone.
i think keeping Davoderado is huge being on as well at RS on keeping things exciting as well
Harrier than that 😂
I think the most important thing Tim said in this was “I’m taking lessons online.” Tim’s played on records and had a career and he still takes lessons. Your never too old and you never know everything.
Lessons for more than music, I wish more people did that.
@15:05 (-ish) ... I was astounded to hear him say that!
Yes. Kudos to him. It shows a deep humility, and a constant curiosity and desire to keep improving. We can all learn from that!
Honestly the fact that he said trying to keep his hearing is big to me. The movie “Sound of Metal” brings that point home.
So many musicians have faces that look like they are in extreme pain when they are feeling it. I like how Tim's face lights up with joy when he plays something tasty.
Tim's description of playing with Dylan is terrifying. And I can't ever imagine having the ability to follow someone who is changing it up so much without screwing up all the time. I'm in awe of the talent of Tim and his fellow session guys.
Thats why Gary Moore didnt want to play with Dylan.... frivolous.
Dylan's been a big joke for a long time. He pulled that act on the tour he did with the Grateful Dead - rehearsed a bunch of arrangements, then threw them out at the last minute i.e., on stage! I saw Dylan twice in the 1980s, I would never go again. He was awful. He destroyed all his arrangements, and melodies went right out the window, plus what little voice he had then was shot.
That’s why Dylan basically only plays with next level guitarists from Bloomfield to Robby Robertson to Mick Taylor to Mick Ronson to Larry Carlton to Mike Campbell or to a lesser extent Jerry Garcia.
And this makes The Traveling Wilburys first album even more amazing. George Harrison went to Bob's to use his studio to record one track of his own with multi-instrumentalist Jeff (Mr ELO) Lynne in tow as a friend / second ear and to assist production. Tom Petty popped in for a chill, Jim Keltner was called (drums initially on kitchen utensils) and Roy Orbison was local to connect with Lynne for a project (Jeff a huge fan of Roys). Next thing they are jamming together and wrote / recorded seven songs in seven days... with Bob Dylan in his kitchen, porch, garage, some what natural and un-amped.
Lynne would work with George on the final production for the album later but really, I cannot think of anyone else other than George Harrison who could have pulled this off - of all the Beatle's he was the most relaxed about his creative input and ego, and had formed the closest relationship with Bob early days as they both had similar formative influences - American crossover folk, country, field, blues like John Cash, Carl Perkins, Chet Atkins, Woody Guthrie and Chuck Berry. Bob clearly respected George as an artiste and managed to contain him. Lynne would later comment that he had to pinch himself, sat there playing with Bob Dylan and George Harrison, his hero Roy, Tom and Jim thinking how did this happen to me... these guys are all legends and I am this guy from Birmingham who writes pop songs.
@@mrcustom61 - Although he did play with another Wilbury, George Harrison who recognised he was more than a Gibson Les Paul and a Marshall stack*. George encouraged Gary to play acoustic more and widen his approach from rock / blues - he understood that from his time with Eric - they wrote Badge together for example - who had arguably been going the same way with Mayall / Cream... nothing wrong with a blazing blues solo but Eric had more to give and would show it. Eric has mentioned several times in interviews that Harrison was one of his idols. Wah Wah indeed.
* Not dissing Gary at all, arguably one of the greatest guitarists of all time and in terms of rock / blues up there with Duane Allman, SRV, Eric, Walter Trout, Jeff beck. I saw him live when he toured with B.B. King and he was sensational.
Even if your Jazz videos get fewer views, many of us still enjoy them :)
I’m only here for the Holdsworth mentions 😅😅😅
I second this. I come here mostly for the jazz and steely dan stuff. Maybe we could get a video about Wayne Shorter?
Speaking of views, it seems to be getting harder to see how many views a video is getting
Hey Rick, Waiting and waiting for the George Benson Video.... Pretty please...
Oh wait, they moved it down! Easier to read! That's the advantage of living in Asia. Nobody reads anything I say for many hours! Great video, BTW.
I love these guys' mixture of humility and self assurance. No false modesty and not bragging either. Like proper pros.
It’s a delicate balance.
For real. Tim, talking about being in awe, sort of, around Bob Dylan but not hesitating to say well yeah! And zero hesitation confirming the no mistakes cause we are all pros. It's appropriate. When you're the best, it's rather important to be confident that you're the best. Just imagine if Tim Pierce never got interested in CZcams. All his amazing knowledge and experiences, all the easy confidence no matter what he is doing, all this amazing and interesting storytelling. It wouldn't be unknown, but it's for sure that millions of people would never benefit from it. It's a whole master class on how to be an s tier pro musician that is not the lead singer just watching him fool around and interact with these other pros in a "casual" setting.
Agreed. . . 100%
Great thought
No TV-show is better than this! I love professional people talking about things they love. So much joy!!!
One advantage of being on CZcams in your 60s is all of us viewers in our 60s who grew up at the same time with the same music and are enthralled when you take us back to revisit our lives through those songs. And there’s a big bonus for those of us who are musicians as well.
And us viewers in our 70s too!
It's really nice to relate with people and to me these guys and their interests is like hanging around with my closest friends, we just understand where we're coming from and where each of us are trying to go and we back each other directly and implicitly, whether we agree or not, that's special stuff.
Cheers
I was in a car accident that erased a lot of my memories so I look at old Top 40 lists from the 60s/70s/80s (happened in 88) to try to remember my life. It erased my ability to play piano too but increased my ability to learn song lyrics.
I had an AR man tell me to change the drums for a song I was working on. He came back the next day and I said "Here's the song with the new drums," he listened approvingly, he loved it. I hadn't changed a thing...
Like Leland Sklar’s “Producer’s Switch” or Tommy Tedesco ducking below the baffle and pretending to play a different string instrument between takes, which was just the same guitar, played differently.
Was your Dad the great great guitarist, Sonny Greenwich?
@@bluecrueful He still is! He's 87yrs old...
That is quite scary considering how much control he had. Well done ;-)
@@SonnyGreenwichJrMy friend will freak out - he loved Sonny’s playing.
Nothing better than Tim and Rick talking and conversating. No shortage of invaluable experience and counsel from them. Pure Class.
I read that as Tim and Erick. Haha
Conversating… My favourite new neologism
*conversing
@@peterevans8598 One of my most despised. There was already a word serving perfectly well.
Conversationating
Being a Brazilian, watching your jazz videos is one the only sources that I can really trust, Rick. Please keep doing these, I love them
Love this conversation! A word came to mind when Tim discusses his career being hired to play on others records that goes beyond being “the guy who sounds like the band” … Responsiblity. People can tell when you really care about what you are being paid to do for them vs. phoning it in for the check. Tim is “good people” as we say in the South. 👍🏻
Rick, I just bought your Beato Book and I just want to say, I am blown away by how much information is there. The fact that it has audio examples to go with lessons makes it worth every penny and then some. Thank you for the work that went into making it!
The album Wichita Lineman was the only record my dad ever owned that he would listen to. Any other record was bought for my mom or us kids. So I ripped it onto a CD so he could listen to it in his car. It had a 5 CD changer with just that CD in it. I ripped a bunch of his other "faves" like Elvis and Slim Whitman and tried to get him to venture out a little bit, but they never left the jewel cases. When Tim mentioned that, it was kind of a shocker. I had not thought of that album since he passed in 2017. A whole bunch of memories came flooding back in a wave. Good call Tim. That was real time machine fuel
Guys, I'm 73 and still working hard at what I love doing - guitar. I'm subscribed to both of you. You "youngsters" inspire as well as educate me! If you stay young at heart, chronological age doesn't matter.
One year younger than you. Feel blessed to grow up during the golden years of electric guitar. These guys illustrate true musicianship and virtuosity. Keep practicing!
Jazz is what attracted me to your channel in the first place. It's opened my eyes to the structure of songs I've loved all my life and never really known why. Now I hear a song and I hear a 2nd or a maj7 chord or a funky mode and I'm like: oooh! Wow! I never caught that before! Now I know why I love this song!
I don't know how Tim can bring more joy to the party.... he is a great big mountain of joy, with smile icing. Love it!
Tim mentioned Burt Bacharach. The Bill Frisell album “The Sweetest Punch: The Songs of Costello and Bacharach
Bill Frisell” is an amazing album.
Two of my favorite people from the music world here. It's not just because of their immense talent, which I'll never be able to emulate; it's their positive attitudes, which is something we all can (and likely should) strive for! 🙏
Never stop the jazz videos
I was always a bit surprised that many of the country and rock musicians I was enamored with played jazz in their free time - I used to horse around at an open mic jam at a local bar near Redding and every once in a while, Merle Haggard's band members would come around when they had some free time and barrow our instruments for an hour or so - They always played jazz.
I keep forgetting these 2 are in their 60s . They’re so youthful! Love this duo
Love when you two have a chat and invite us along. ❤️ Tim you already bring joy with that contagious smile of yours.
Very well written Barb. It’s so pleasant to see and listen to Tim that i have to constantly smile ☺️ What a beautiful Soul…..so inspiring ✨❤️💫 Thank you Tim & Rick
@@thepanicroommastering2062 Thank you. I agree. Tim's smile is contagious for sure. I also love how Rick is all smiles when he's listening to Tim. They have a great admiration for each other. ❤️
Witchita Lineman is so awesome. Glen is such a versatile musician! I still listen to this today all the time.
The Mamas and the Papas records from the mid-60s were extremely well produced. ( I’m guessing Wrecking Crew musicians.) And those 4-part harmony vocals are sublime.
Wrecking Crew is indeed correct. You can hear the distinct sound of Joe Osborn on bass and Hal Blaine on drums on those great Lou Adler productions.
Wrecking Crew musicians and Bones Howe producing. Same people as the Fifth Dimension, who also had great harmony vocals.
I even love the slight tape pitch irregularity on "I saw her Again" and the false start is fabulous, such character!
I'll never forget being 11 in fifth grade and trading a few acdc cassettes for nevermind. I had no influences to know such music. It was truly life changing. It blew my fucking mind. I was like this is MY music this is ME. This speaks to me like nothing ever before has. I wore that cassette out and had to retape it over and over.
Many of us care about jazz
Many of us like how you explain jazz in a pop/rock context.
Keep going Rick! Aloha!
There are two main types of jazz. Instrumental jazz and lyrical jazz. Lyrical jazz is still popular with artists such as Melody Gardot, Amy Winehouse, Beth Hart and Sting. Instrumentals in any genre right now are not popular.
How lucky are we to see Rick AND Tim together! I learned how to play some Zeppelin riffs by watching Tim's channel lol. Awesome!
Counterpoint to your comment about jazz on your channel... I've been a rock guy my whole life but your comments about Wes Montgomery, Joe Pass, etc have got me listening to jazz. Even checked out Wichita Lineman and you both are right. What a beautiful song. I never would have given it a chance otherwise. Keep it coming! You're expanding my horizons!
I don't know you Rick but I think I know how talented you really are. The reference to the 'unnamed track' that you mixed and produced and the end product released by the record company really interests me. You have 3.3 million subscribers. It would be nice to hear that record back to back and see what your followers think.
I think we're all thinking the same thing!
Mainly here for the jazz!
When Rick said, "Tim, that's not true", to the notion of their falling out as a partnership, it was a beautiful moment. Rick really loves Tim.
Cool to see Tim and Rick together again. Excellent video. Love this format.
I want to see Rick and Tim jamming together. It's my wish for 2023 🤘
I feel fortunate to have sat next to Tim on sessions in the 90s-00s. Seeing this, I still get excited by his massive talent and professionalism.
Rick, love Wes Montgomery. He was the gateway drug to me starting to “get” jazz. His octave stuff opened a door for me to step through.
Carol Kaye, one of the best ever string slingers. Legend. That's an interview I'd love to see.
Yeah, that, and, hey Rick, we're still waitin' on the Joni interview!
Unfortunately she seems to have a pretty big chip on her shoulder. But I can still hope for a great interview...
@@RockandRollWoman Chip on her shoulder? Do you mind elaborating?
Wichita lineman takes me back to the 70s as a child. Heard that song on every AM radio at some point. From the kitchen at breakfast to the car on vacation to wedding receptions and funerals alike.
I am about the same age as these amazing artists, but was not blessed with their talents. They lived my musical dreams. It gives me great joy to listen to their stories and analysis of records and trends in music, and to hear that they love many of the same songs and records that I love. I am so grateful to Rick and Tim for sharing this lively conversation with us.
Tim is a breathing example of what you get when the standards are held very high; a true professional (like Rick). When you considers how good one had to be to cut it in the music industry during the rock and roll era, it's amazing. Love hearing Rick talk jazz and it's impact to other genres.
Nothing better than these little podcast style interviews. Tim Piece is right up there with the greats like early Jimmy Page, Steve Lukather, Vic Flick, etc. Yeah he didn't go out there and found his own wildly successful band, but he has every bit as much skill at the instrument as most famous guitarists.
Probably even more skill
Tim has the best attitude. I smile when he tells stories.
Ahhhh…. Being eclectic and loving many flavors of music, this is one of my favorite happy places!
✨🎶✨❤️✨🎶✨👍🏼
Don't give up on jazz. The next generations need the inspiration and creative genius that jazz brings.
Two of my favourite people
I love your Jazz videos Rick. Keep em coming. The Ron Carter Interview was life changing for me.
So good you and Tim together at Tim’s house talking shop, it just does not get any better. Thank you both for everything you guys do and have done though the years. It makes being a musician much more fun to be a fly on the wall privy to your conversations. Please go as long as you can.😇
I love when you two guys get together. Rick your interest in the LA studio session days and the questions you ask really pulls all the information I want to hear from Tim out so well. I'd love to hear Tim talk more about taking little parts and layering counter parts (harmonies, octaves or call and response) over them to build a great track. I think it's so cool how you can just start small and build great songs in the studio and Tim is one of the best. Great convo guys...😎🎸
Fyi - check out Andrew Synowiec’s channel for a new studio recording video with Tim playing rhythm and some great lead solos. Albuquerque Blues is awesome and Tim and Andrew go toe to toe in a solo dual! (Just dawned on me that he may have written the song about Tim as he was from Albuquerque?). Anyway, Andrew was on Tim’s show not too long ago and is a top notch session guitarist in LA! There are at least three other songs that Tim plays on that are listed. You may have already seem them! If you like it share with your friends as I think Tim needs a little credit for this phenomenal performance!
We love jazz Rick, do a feature on Julian Lage, BadBadNotGood, The Bad Plus etc
Totally true about the ego thing! I've done work for people where I thought "this is excellent" and been asked to do something completely different. And you can *feel* your first idea was better, and almost feel like going "you should get someone else". Being able to suppress that and up your game can be hard, but often pushes you to write something even better.
Both you guys are awesome! I love both your channels and just love the view into your careers and musical life. Thank you!
I love to hear Tim talking about learning and wanting to keep getting better as a guitar player. That inspires me!!
Rick, MORE JAZZ!
Terrific video! Always enjoy Rick & Tim discussing music & telling it like it is! 👍👍🎸🎸
I'm in my 60s (63) and I love and agree with all you guys are saying! Great discussion guys, great discussion.
Just want to let you guy’s know that I really enjoy your CZcams content! I turned 67 on the 20th of January and I started playing guitar at the age of 16 in 1972, I’m so inspire to keep learning after all of these years because of the both of you! PLEASE keep the video’s coming ❤
As a kid from the 90s, I greatly appreciate this. I learned to play guitar by endlessly strumming along to nirvana.
Love these Two!!! Rick and Tim are the best
Love ya Rick! I’ve been watching your podcast for about three years now and you’re a huge inspiration to me!
I just love this so much. So much wisdom, experience, honesty, vulnerability. 2nd time I've watched it and it's better than the first time. Inspiring.
Love the energy in these videos with Tim. What a legend!
I have the HIGHEST respect for studio musicians. Tim is a LEGEND! The ability to work on the fly and satisfy the artist is mind-blowing; the perfection required is unbelievable... I meant session players if that's the correct term.
Could listen to this all day. Great job guys. You love music and you love, respect and admire each other. Wonderful.
Love the videos with you and Tim. talks about the things I want to be doing. continuing to grow.
Enjoyed this much! Born in '54, grew up in SoCal with music on AM radio morphing into the good stuff on FM (KRLA.....KDAY.....KLOS.....KMET) . I'm looking forward to watching Rick's video on Wes Montgomery. My band plays "Four On Six" and we're gonna work up "Back to Bach to Bock".
I think Nirvana ignited a lot of our careers .... Love these chats with Tim, what a guy.
The video title has very little to do with what they discussed in the video. Kinda disappointing
@@bankruptfilly yeah -- I think Rick was click-baiting us ... lol. Good one Rick because I still watched and enjoyed it.
@@bankruptfilly Tim made it very clear as to how Nirvana ignited his career from random sessions to performing seven days a week! That was the whole point of the thumbnail!
I saved this to watch later, I saw the original title about Kurt/Nirvana that you guys are talking about. Interesting that Rick now changed the title.
@@j_freed Mechanicals is what they used to be called. It’s where a good portion of mine came from and it wasn’t easy to collect ‘em. Some people are control freaks
Keep the jazz stuff coming. It is very helpful and I am sure that the people who appreciate it, really really appreciate.
This is such a treat.
Could listen to you two great people talk all day.
Much appreciated.
Man I love this very much! This is me and my friends hanging out at each other’s houses with our guitars in the 80’’s. Geeking out and basking in the glory of music. 🤘🏼😎🤘🏼
Love your interviews!
What a fantastic video! I also love being autonomous. It's the best thing about being on CZcams!
Thank you both so much for what you do! Love watching both your channels!
What a privilege we have to hear you guys talk and share the history of modern music with us .
Two of my favorite guys with a fascinating chat. Keep up the great work, gentlemen!
I love these talks so much and learn a lot from them. Because both of you are now just down to your true selves.
You guys are great! For all of what you did in the past , for what you doing in present and hopefully in the future!
These two. Pure awesomeness 😊
You could literally sell tickets for this...and, here it is. Absolutely free.
Thank you both.
Excellent! Love both your channels and looking forward to what 2023 brings.
I’d like to thank both of you. Your videos have inspired me to start playing again. I signed up for Tim’s Masterclass and bought the New Year’s Resolution package to show my support. Finding all sorts of great stuff in both!
Hey Rick could you do a video on crowded house, underrated man. Maybe essential songs, great melody and cool chord substitution.
Love Crowded House!! Great suggestion!
The jazz stuff is how I found your channel, Rick. So please, keep 'em coming!
Great video and topic...you are awesome and very inspiring to me and many others,Mr Tim Pierce...Thank you,Mr Rick Beato
Love this perspective. The wisdom of experience. It brings balance and a healthy distance from the present moment.
I'm a big fan of Tim Pierce and Rick Springfield! Thank you a lot for the great 80's music and sound!
Love this. I'll never be anything more than a hobby musician, but I can sort of relate having spent 30 years as a commercial photographer. When you arrive on set, either studio or location, you are expected to produce no matter what. It was huge pressure, but that made it exciting. Man, I miss that action.
Love these conversations!!! You guys have great history and stories!!!
Thank you for your content. I enjoy your channels. They inspire me.
When an entire band is into improvising their songs live, changing up parts & reacting off of each other in their performance, that is where people see the true magic. Its a very special relationship to have with a group of people, and a pleasure/privilege to behold as a listener.
EXACTLY... My background as a Guitarist, 99.9% of my originals were written on the spot. No Rehearsals. Pure Improvisation. Give or take some bad timing during the iMPROV, that can always be fixed later.. 😁👍
I feel that many bands today don't have that ON THE SPOT Improvisation .. Just my take
I love Tim's definition of a "record." That's a whole different perspective. I always wondered why some people considered songs a record. I assumed they were referring to a single of it.
It's a record of what happened
This is why it is SOOO hilarious when clueless "music people" incorrectly make a big deal saying - it's a CD, or it's a MP3. True artists ALWAYS said: let's go make a record. The delivery medium is inconsequential.
@@martinaddison4880 Perfectly said.
without context, it's just Engrish.
some of us love your jazz videos.... love you too and are so thankful for your years of awesome videos (as a self-taught guitar player with jazz musician friends)
I love hanging out with you guys on you tube. Same age, same love for music of 60s and 70s, same love of all things guitar. Thank you Tim and Rick
So weird. Both Tim & Rick love "Wichita Lineman." It is one of my all-time favorite songs as well. Sublime lyrics ("I hear you singing in the wire; I can hear you through the whine")....everything about it. My dad was a telephone lineman when it came out. I almost imagined the song was about him.
It is my all-time favorite also... so I puffed up a little bit when they said it was theirs.
You know what was weird? When A Girl Named Tom performed on The Voice a couple years ago, the first two songs they performed were my two favorite songs in the world, Wichita Lineman and Helplessly Hoping by Crosby Stills & Nash. Man, I hope you got to hear their version of Wichita Lineman, It brought tears to my eyes.
Just thinking about that song brings the tears. So beautiful!
🤠
Rick this is a master course, thank you again! I love Jazz and all you do! Do not stop, it will be back in fashion. My students are devouring the real way! The heart of American Blues, Jazz, Pop, we must persevere and keep this alive! Much love my friend! PS. my 1 hour with Caorl Kaye changed my life.
it is such a pleasure to listen to you Tim and Rick, thank you!
This stuff going down right here is unprecedented in its candor and fidelity. In hundreds of years historians and enthusiasts will have such a rich body of information about the scene. Remember these guys lived it before it could really be captured and preserved, bridging that time from before (the Internet) and after. Thank you so much for sharing it’s truly a privilege to get to hear what you have to say. Peace.
I have so much respect for Tim and his professionalism.
You guys named some of my favorite all-time records, but I didn't know why I loved them so much.
Two of my favourite personalities on CZcams. Thank you for being you and sharing you bounty of knowledge with us all. Much Love
LOVE the videos with Tim. Great stuff, Rick!