The Queen Invites Penny to Attend Church | The Crown (Imelda Staunton, Natascha McElhone)
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- My dears, we witness Elizabeth (Imelda Staunton) subtly correcting Penny's (Natascha McElhone) theory about Queen Mary's actions regarding the Romanovs, emphasizing the geopolitical context, and despite her personal feelings, inviting Penny to Christmas church to maintain a facade of family unity amidst potential scandal.
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Staunton is a Brilliant actor. Her ability to channel Her Majesty's walk, and style of speech... her mannerisms .. all spot on.
It must hurt especially as she's older. He now wants to legitimize his "companion" which must sting in their old age. He doesn't consider her, the Queen, his companion.
It’s mind blowing to me that I don’t even see Dolores Umbridge when watching this. As much as I hated her character in HP, Imelda Staunton’s acting makes it easy to view her in whatever role she plays. She’s extremely talented
Penny to Philip was Porchey to Elizabeth.
If anything, she was Philip's Mike Parker.
They also don't mention it but Norton left Penny and the family to be with his mistress in the Bahamas and only came back after it fizzled out.
Poor Penny…😢
Whatever it may matter, according to public sources, Penny Knatchbull and her Earl are still married and, in addition to their two surviving children, they have three grandchildren. Although both have had affairs, they have chosen to remain together.
@@thomasplinguidy4588 Penny's wikipedia entry indicates that the Earl has Alzheimer's Disease, which would explain why she's not about to leave him at this point.
@@vickenator you would be amazed at what some spouses are capable of...
@@thomasplinguidy4588 Sadly, I would not be at all surprised, but these are royals and she has a lot more help than the average person to help caregive for an ailing spouse. If it was just the two of them on their own, on a meager salary or retirement, I doubt she'd stay, especially after his infidelities.
The likeness and mannerisms of the Queen are amazing. Well done to Imelda Staunton.
Her love for Phillip was so profound,I’ve never been sure it was reciprocated,he loved her or grew to but not in the same way
Her Majesty had to Beat a great Deal on Silence. How painful.💜🙏
Well, she wasn't happy, but duty and reputation to the crown must win, otherwise it can lead to long term consequences.
Perhaps it might have been "dangerous" to allow the Romanov family to escape to the UK, but in the end, that decision cost an entire family their lives. The Crown is fiction, and I don't know what the real reason was but it was at devastating cost.
To be fair to them, we're judging them with all the righteousness that comes with hindsight. The decision wasn't put to King George as 'grant asylum or they all die'. It was grant asylum and who knows, maybe it'll be the trigger for our own revolution. Or don't grant asylum and maybe they'll be banished to Siberia or perhaps the French will take them in.
An entire extended family. It was criminal.
@@meeeka A criminal act by the Bolshevik government of the USSR, yes. Not by the British Royal Family.
In fairness it was all a moot point. The railroad union was especially fanatic and there was no way the Imperial Family was getting to Archangel from Petrograd. The only real chance they had was when the Kaiser offered them asylum in Germany. Lenin was desperate to get out of the war (it was the one part of the Bolshievik platform the masses understood and cared about and Lenin was paying any price to the Germans). But Nicholas for all his flaws was a Russian patriot and refused asylum from its enemy. The Tsarita refused to go without her husband and the children would not leave their parents.
The real reason was what fake Elizabeth said. There would have been enormously damaging political fallout from it. The Crown must win. Must always win. The Russian royals didn't understand what the British royals did. If a monarchy doesn't bend to the will of the people it doesn't survive.
The Crown must win. Must. always. win.
That scene was Everything!
Loved it
At what cost?
The Queen made it felt. She is NOT happy to even talk to her.
You do realise that this is fiction - don’t you ?
But also Imelda Staunton as the queen was not the best.
Queen Mary was not the 'Sovereign '. The Sovereign was King George V. She was the Queen-Consort
The Queen is referring to herself when she says Sovereign not Queen Mary. She only uses her as an example of how personal feelings and emotions must be set aside for the good of the monarchy and the country
Mary's job was to protect the Sovereign.
They should have extricated the Tsar's family and given shelter outside England. It was a large Empire after all and the war could not last forever.
@michaelplunkett8059, sadly, those were very different times. I know it’s easy for us to say that, but it’s true. Back then, the British people would never have tolerated the Tsar’s family in any part of the British Empire if just one of them were pro German during the war.
What happened wasn’t right but that was just the mindset of not only the monarchy but also the public at the time.
When was the last time you touched grass?? You can't see the forest for the trees. Nitpic one statement, and miss the bigger impact of the overall scene.
@@michaelplunkett8059at that time, there was nowhere safe for the family. The Tzar would have never left Russia and the Tzarina would not leave the Tzar, her husband. This in turn doomed their children. Nicholas was a very good husband and father but not suited to be Tzar, he trusted the wrong people and did not change with the times. His father did not prepare him for the role.
Everyone needs to see her in Vera Drake.
That was an excellent film on the subject of abortion. I would also recommend the films The Ciderhouse Rules, Citizen Ruth, and If These Walls Could Talk.
"I head this little religious club, would you like to come by on Christmas?"
A delicacy of performance.
I've read that King George said "If we go, we'll go quietly."
Continued salacious speculation about the late Duke of Edinburgh’s relationship with Penny Knatchbull, Countess Mountbatten of Burma. Philip certainly had a reputation as a ladies’ man in his younger years and it’s a pretty sure thing that he had affairs during his marriage to the Queen in earlier days, even if that remains officially unconfirmed. But Penny is 5 years younger than Charles, and a third cousin to Philip by marriage. She shared the Duke’s passion for carriage driving and literature, two subjects his wife did not share interest in. After his retirement Philip retired to Sandringham in Norfolk while the Queen carried on Queening. Penny was a companion. I doubt very much the companionship was sexual. One would suppose the Countess’s husband, Lord Norton, Earl Mountbatten might’ve objected. The Queen had her friends and decorations too-Lord Porchester, her longtime friend and racing manager-and the incredibly dishy Lt. Col. Johnny Thompson who was not hired to be the Queen’s bodyguard because he was ugly. I think the relationship between Penny and the Duke of Edinburgh was strictly platonic. They had many interest in common as well as a shared family history so lots to talk about. The queen was a devoted sovereign but I don’t think she was much of a conversationalist for her very bright and restless husband.
Penny's husband Norton also abandoned the family home to be with his mistress in the Bahamas and only returned when it fizzled out and she let him live at home. I don't think he has much say in what she does, sexual or not.
You hit the mark Brilliantly 👏🏿
@@lordalessan Ah, I wasn’t aware of Lord Norton’s exploits. The Mountbattens have always been a dodgy family…that’s why Lilibet’s parents weren’t thrilled with the match. And considering what come out about Dickie Mountbatten since his death, that certainly doesn’t paint him in a good light either. I have no idea if anything of a carnal nature went in between a terminally I’ll man in his 90s and his much younger relative by marriage. If Philip had been 30 years younger I would’ve said, probably. Perhaps because he was related by marriage and older than her father, Penny thought of the Duke as more like an uncle. I’m sure Philip was interesting company until the end. I don’t begrudge them a friendship if that’s what they had, and if it was more, then well done him…an extraordinary man on all counts.
@@lordalessanWondering if Lord and Lady Romsey drifted apart after the death of their daughter from cancer years ago. I believe the late Diana was her godmother. They wouldn't be the first couple to go their separate ways after a tragedy
@@marywenzel3199we will never know, but the part about her husband objecting doesn't take account of the Andrew Parker Bowles archetype, laying down his wife for the country. Could even be why he eventually ran away from the country with his mistress - after years of rumours about his wife - before that fizzled out.
penny has a hell of a nerve - the victorious mistress rubbing it in the wife's face
The Tsarina, Alexandra, actually hated the Germans. Reviled them.
Nevertheless, to English eyes, and to most of the Russian nobility, she was German. She never learned to speak Russian well.
They spoke French as a first language in the Kremlin. Thars why the whole Anastasia imposter business was suspect from the get-go: she couldn't speak French. Royalty in any country are oddballs.@Roheryn100
@@JoeLondon-te3hf French was the language of diplomacy. However the Tsar and Tsarina spoke and wrote in English to each other. They also spoke German, French and some Italian . Alexandra spoke Russian, although slowly. The children were brought up with English,Russian, German and French.
@@Roheryn100Apparently she eventually learned to speak Russian well; she conversed with Rasputin as well as the Russian soldiers she nursed. I think she may have had a thick accent, which combined with her social anxiety made it embarrassing. She always spoke English to the children, but that was out of a desire for them to be bilingual rather than linguistic poverty on Alexandra’s part.
@@JoeLondon-te3hfMrs Anderson also didn’t speak Russian or English, and when she learned to speak English she spoke it like someone who learned it as an adult rather than someone who spoke it from the nursery.
The Crown did such a good job of humanizing the royal family to the public. It might all be false dramatization, but it is a reminder that people are human beings, rarely just good or bad, but with both traits.
At her age and position in life she probably no longer cared. Him out of her hair probably felt more comfortable.
If one of my 18th-century ancestors had been allowed to marry the man she loved, Penny never would have existed!
Boy did the Queen hate Penny. And I think that Penny was right about what she said about jealous and rivalry. George should have let the Romanov's come to England, aren't they German descent as well, I mean look at Albert and Victoria.
Come to England or, if that was too risky, to a Crown Colony
This isn’t a documentary. 🙄
Who was Penny
@@rossalynsmith5253 Penny Knatchbull, Countess Mountbatten. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penelope_Knatchbull%2C_Countess_Mountbatten_of_Burma
George was told by the prime minister that his own throne might be in jeopardy if he brought the Romanovs to England. It was a moot point anyway. The Romanovs were being held prisoner in their palace in Petrograd by the new Russian government under Kerensky. The Russians would never have let the Romanovs leave Russia.
There is no evidence that the Tsar and family would have been released even if the offer had been made. They were too much of a bargaining tool for whoever "protected" them at any one time.
The Romanov's could have gone to any Caribbean Island who would have gladly accepted them, but choose only England... sad how they died.
Crazy how they asked their relatives whom they trusted and cared for first, blood is not thicker than water in all instances they should have just gone to the islands.
The British could have rescued the Russian Royal Family and sent them to some far flung imperial possession but George V was too pusillanimous - he lacked the backbone of his grandmother, Queen Victoria, for example, who unhesitatingly offered asylum to deposed royals in England including, most notably, Emperor Napoleon III and Empress Eugénie, despite the fact that they had just been waging - an admittedly unsuccessful - war against the country of which Victoria’s daughter was crown Princess.
@@ForGodAndTheEmpire George V could have offered asylum to the Russian Imperial Family...a family, mind you, whose wife was extremely hated in most parts of Europe, especially in the UK. Can you imagine the public and Parliament revolt the moment Nicholas II and his family literally step foot on to UK soil? George V would be joining Nicholas II as another deposed royal.
It was a weak decision by George V. I wonder how he could live with himself.
Silly, half the Caribbean belonged to the UK, whose political class wouldn't allow them in.
A Monarchical society in which the commonwealth lives under , still stands for one reason and one reason alone. RESPECT, nothing more nothing less. And I'm not talking about respect for whoevers hair it currently rests upon no not at all, RESPECT for the crown and and what the crown represents.
Queen Mary wasn’t the Sovereign, and HM Queen Elizabeth II would never have referred to her as such. Sloppy writing.
Unless she shares the opinion that Mary of Teck also did a lot of the political thinking for her king.
She's referring to herself, as the sovereign. Hence the DNA comment.
The official response would have been in the name of the King, and his family would be expected to go with it.
I loved almost all of Phillips stories on this show, but I HATED this subplot…
I don't think they were implying an affair at all. It was a good friendship
It definitely felt like at the very least an emotional affair.
Whats so wrong about a platonic friendship with a person of the oposite sex? Thats an absolutly healthy thing to have and in that case it helped a grieving mother find hope again...
Yet another one of his attempts to make the British royal family look bad in order to get one over on his wife - and he even sends her his girlfriend, who is half her age, who is allowed to "research" the Windsor family papers. Pretty undignified behavior for a prince consort.
Wrong. Your spouse should be your best friend. Any strong relationship with the opposite sex is an unequivocal affair. Scumbags
WELL DONE MUM !! WELL DONE !
Such an horrendous piece of fiction.
Who is Penny and why did she go to work for a writer in Amsterdam?
They let the Romanovs die
I always felt they could have done something to help the Romanov’s escape.
After all the British government forced King George to change his name to Windsor. That same government refused to help the Romanov’s.
Another thing that’s kept very quiet is what happened to the money the Czar put into various banks, including English banks, monies to be used as dowries for his daughters. It was estimated to be in today’s value around 1 billion US dollars for each of the 4 girls. This doesn’t begin to realize their worth in material things.
The money simply disappeared never to help the surviving Russian families who sold all they could sneak out of Russia. Leaving them to live in abject poverty. Q Mary “bought” jewelry so the Romanov’s rent to stay was paid.
The tiara that Ms Markle wanted to wear, but refused by QEII, was one of the Russian tiaras that was swapped for rent & food. QEII didn’t want its source revealed, so she refused the request (it was way to fancy for that wedding).
Yes, they let the Romanovs die.
The head of the Romanovs is the one who caused the death of his own family, by being a fool.
That’s where the show did a great job. The show isn’t called queen Elizabeth it’s called the crown. It may focus on queen Elizabeth but that’s because she is the crown during the period is showing. I’ve always seen the show as being about the throne of England and the crown and how one family would do anything to keep it nothing matters not there happiness and definitely not some distant cousins. Alls you need to do is see what the royal family did to there own(princess diana) to see that no sacrifice is to great as long as they keep the crown and throne of England safe.
I rather think the bolsheviks did that.
The Romanovs would have been a threat to the British crown if they had been allowed to come to England. They were universally hated by most countries.
Queen Mary - formerly Princess Mary of Teck - was GERMAN, like Alexandra, so the UK had a German Queen while at war with Germany; she was hardly in a position to cast stones at Alexandra! Pot, kettle and black are words that spring to mind.
Queen Mary's mother was a British princess. Queen Mary was born and raised in the UK and was part of the royal court, chosen by Queen Victoria to marry the heir.
Queen Mary's father was German. Her mother, Princess Mary, was born in Germany, but her father was Duke of Cambridge. She was the granddaughter of George the 3rd
Queen Mary was born in Kensington palace and grew up in England.
Alexandra was born in Germany and she grew up there. She was the granddaughter of Queen Victoria
Have you not understood what’s being said here? Your thoughts are very far off base. PAY ATTENTION!
Q. Alexandra was Danish
@@hoolydooly5799 Tsarina Alexandra of Russia.
Reminds me of Rose-William-Kate connections
Rubbish.
Please explain!
More unsubstantiated fiction.
Yes, it is fiction. It's the whole point of the series.