DCS: Flying a 1960's MIG-21 vs 1990s NATO Aircraft on Growling Sidewinder Multiplayer Server
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- čas přidán 29. 06. 2024
- My journey to trying to use the Mig-21 on the DCS Multiplayer Growling Sidewinder server. It was an interesting challenge to fight 1990s NATO Aircraft in a 1960s Era plane but I had a lot of fun and I wanted to share some tips along the way and hopefully inspire you to try it out. I personally find myself gravitating more toward flying older aircraft instead of the newer ones in DCS because I find each kill more rewarding and I am learning a bunch while doing it.
This video is really more inspiration more so than a direct guide, with that said I feel like I got a good grounding on this so hopefully you find the tips here useful.
One thing I forgot to mention with my microphone. The bogey dope keymap is bugged in DCS. You must ask for bogey dope via the radio menu before the keymap works. So as you arm your plane do a bogey dope and then your keymap will work as you are flying around.
My Discord: / discord
Thanks to Hadwell for all the help, he has a lot of Mig-21 multiplayer videoss here:
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Chapters:
00:00 - 00:35 Intro
00:36 - 01:58 The Challenge
01:59 - 04:04 Hotkeys & Delta Wing Consideration
04:05 - 05:16 Weapons
05:17 - 06:23 Fuel Considerations
06:24 - 15:34 The Sortie
15:35 - 17:18 Tacview Review
17:19 - 17:39 Outro
Music Credit:
Music by White Bat Audio
/ @whitebataudio
Romeo and Juliet Suite No. 2, Op. 64b: I. Montagues and Capulets · Slovak State Philharmonic Orchestra, Kosice
Prokofiev: Romeo and Juliet Suites Nos. 1-3 (Excerpts)
℗ 1999 Amadis
Released on: 1999-09-14
Conductor: Andrew Mogrelia
Composer: Sergey Prokofiev
Orchestra: Slovak State Philharmonic Orchestra, Kosice
Engineer: Gejza Toperczer
Producer: Rudolf Hentsel
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I hope people feel inspired to try out the Mig-21 on servers that allow the more modern aircraft. It was an interesting challenge to try out. Feel free to share any tips you may have.
Hey what was the first song in the video I really like it
@@andrewwalton6545 Romeo and Juliet Suite No. 2, Op. 64b: I. Montagues and Capulets · Slovak State Philharmonic Orchestra, Kosice
I use to have limited success in DDCS in one section of the map
Wait for Bra Call on the ramp Ready section At nalchik
2x R-60m + 1x 400L
As soons as the 160km High & Hot was broken, Scramble Full Emergency AfterBurner Accelerate to 1200km/h , Nose up to maintain above 1100Km/h Drop the tank.
You want to punch trough the contrail as fast as possible.
Climb to flight level 55000-60000 to avoid contrail Usually people have their radar looking down in the mountains because you know ''Snake in the grass''.
Sustain minimum of Mach 1.6 troughs the whole thing.
Then Come down on them at a angle or from behind if it's possible to make the turn at Mach 1.9/2.0 to avoid flame out, Ripple Fire the R-60m the windows to shoot is stupidly small, Nose up & Bug out at Mach 2.1/2.2 (If you miss) that's it ,Going for guns at that closure rate is suicidal , so RTB it is
Many F-18 doing sead got mangled using this tactic but after the 3rd plane down the word was out.
@@DCS.1-1 ?
Haha wow wrong reply box
I'm enjoying your style. Even with Growling Sidewinder, Grim Reapers, Tricker, Hellreign82, Spudknocker, Philstyle etc etc, you've managed to find you're niche, which is basically just explaining the simple mistakes you make on every sortie (and tips) and what to learn from it. If you have a Twitch I'd love to follow you on there too.
Thanks. I really only play multiplayer, the last single player game I played for more than a few hours was Portal. With that said, multiplayer in sim games especially DCS and IL-2 is very server specific . A Mig-21 on Growling is essentially a totally different plane than it is on Cold War. A lot of channels go super deep into the theory or the planes themselves while others just do multiplayer gameplay only. The way I see my channel is a little theory but applying it to a specific server and trying to surface up how to make something work against humans within the confines of that server. On top of that that the mental games that go into multiplayer is something not really talked about and I find that area very interesting.
Eventually I would like to break out to some other sim games and explain other games that I find interesting but I am holding off until I get better at editing. I do not like to stream so I do not do it but thanks for asking, I like having a filter between what I say and what goes out in the world so I enjoy the editing process. For sim streamers, I would recommend, Tempest7MR, Giggles and Jabbers.
Please consider subscribing if you aren't already and thanks again for watching and sharing your thoughts.
We have MiG-21bis. It entered production 1972 and upgraded R-60M missiles 1982.
Nice video.
Thanks for that
That compliment coming from Hadwell is especially nice. He's done A LOT of content flying the MiG-21 on modern servers bullying people.
Yeah Hadwell is the mammoth hunter on GS, he is the real deal!
One thing I forgot to mention with my microphone. The bogey dope keymap is bugged in DCS. You *must* ask for bogey dope via the radio menu before the keymap works. So as you arm your plane do a bogey dope and then your keymap will work as you are flying around.
Great to see the MiG-21 being put through its paces and besting some serious NATO hardware.
Not only was this interesting, but it's a reasonably realistic scenario given how many countries still operate either the MiG-21 or the Chengdu J-7.
Glad you enjoyed it! Would be interesting if we had some more modern missiles on our Mig-21 for these servers :)
Honestly, in DCS, it's more like 2005-2010 NATO against a 1972 MiG. Back in the 90s, they were still slinging Sparrows (at least outside the US) and had no fancy JHMCS or 9X any of that gucci stuff.
Every time I see someone taking the 21 out in GS and wrecking with it, it makes me smile. I might have to give it another go myself, it's been a long time since I've flown it on there.
Edit - the warping isn't DCS 2.7, it's GS' server in particular. It's always been a laggy mess, but ever since around the time Supercarrier dropped, it's non-stop rubber-banding. I don't know what kind of machine he runs it on, but it clearly isn't up to the job. The only other one I've seen run that badly in the past six months is Just Dogfight, which is also notorious for it. As for taking off in mil... ultimately you're not really saving any practical amount of fuel, to be honest. I always take off in AB and switch to emergency AB if engaged below 4000m, and my usual sortie time is about 20 minutes. The 21 is mostly relying on sheer brute power to attain and keep its airspeed, so flying at lower power settings means you're still spending a lot of fuel trying to fight the drag and you're taking longer to get where you're going.
Noted thanks. I know waroing and server crashes were bad were 2.7 but that is helpful. I may try some other servers soon. Are there any in particular you like?
I mostly play on Cold War 1947-1991, but Blue Flag 60s and 80s can be quite nice and DDCS is definitely worth checking out, especially if you like longer campaigns.
@@Enigma89 thats a MiG-21bis aka 1972 and that's not 60's ask the Bulgarian Airforce pilots that beat in those things block 50/52's f-16 on regular basis by the way you dont need radar with heat seeking missiles that fire up to 20km's xD
And that is how the legenday cold war server was born.
I am really happy that I can play on your server man, thank you a lot!
Your work is unique and much appreciated.
You see comrade Mig-21 does not need Fox-3, because Mig-21 is Fox-3.
Russian guided Air to Air missile.
There is a challenge video right there. Score a air to air kamikaze kill in the mig-21 on a multiplayer server.
My brain read that in a Russian accent without even asking me permission.
Man doesnt know true meaning of satisfaction until he blows up 4gen in a MiG21.
Fun to watch and follow along. Just got the 21 so am up for a challenge. Thanks for the effort.
Glad you enjoyed. I will be doing a cold war server video soon so be on the look out, its the best server to fly the mig-21 on.
Yess this was the video I was waiting for. Excellent stuff.
Let me know if you have any requests. Thinking of Mig-29 and Mirage for the next few DCS videos.
Really good video dude, love the editing at the beginning lol and your mic and audio quality is also really good. The only advice or suggestion I can think of is to just keep coming up with ideas for cool shit you can do in DCS and IL2 and make it happen
Thanks! It was a newish one for me but I felt like it would be interesting to show a bit of the journey of trying to peel this onion.
Got it a few weeks ago in a buying spree. This video is what I needed for more confidence.
Prepare to die a lot, it is very tricky. Don't forget about the cold war server!
Cool video Enigma! I like your style!
Hey, thanks!
Nice! I love the Migs, got the 15, 19 and 21. Still learning slowly and vids like yours help =]
Great to hear!
That was cool, really enjoyed that.
liked your "hotkeys to bind" bit early in the video because its exactly what i concluded personally... while playing your server for a short while.
liked your whole video too, thank you. i hope i can play in your servers properly someday and be more than dead weight.
I know it's an old video, but it bothers me to see wheel steering in free/horizontal position while taking off. Takes me back to the days i used to wonder why the plane shakes so much on takeoff
Otherwise, great video! This video, as well as Drewski's Su-27/J-11 videos, inspire me to take the courage and fly in the PVP servers. Though, the most discouraging aspect of pvp for me are accidental friendly kills
Accidental kills are just part of the learning process, everyone is used to it and if someone freaks out then they are a jerk. Just play!
Great video, I’m new to DCS (just getting to grips with the Su-25T and the A4 and stone sim in general) and this really makes me want to get the Fishbed as my first module. It’s probably that or the JF-17, I’m torn at the moment.
great videos man
I grew up watching the Wings documentaries. The good days before the History channel was corrupted.
lenin is smiling on this day
I started dcs a few days ago and The mig 21 is my only module in dcs so this was very helpful
You should have the SU-25T free module which is on a few servers. It's fun to mess around with.
Great video! Great intro. I love the DCS content especially.
Thanks! DCS Is not my main squeeze so I try to sprinkle them in when I get a fresh idea. I think I will do a similar video with the Mirage or the Mig-29 in the near future.
@@Enigma89 Possibly a Mig-15 vs 1990s jets? :) I like your IL-2 content too. I'll watch either way. Keep up the good work. I think you've stumbled upon a really unique niche in flight sim videos. There are so many channels showing you how to do basic aircraft procedures, but basically zero about how to put it together and get kills on a multiplayer server. Lots of theory and no practice.
@@trillhouse8078 what would the strat be for a mig 15? Hope they get into a turn fight and you slow down, let them pass and pray for a cannon hit?
Definitely gonna try this during the current free to play
That new free to play program came at the perfect time
Well, that's an instant sub. Hope to see more ! :D
Thanks man I really appreciate it. The CZcams grind is real so every sub really counts. I typically focus on IL-2 but I sprinkle in DCS videos here and there. I try to focus on the multiplayer angle on everything and release once a week.
@@Enigma89 you know, Il 2 looks cool too, i don't play it but it's cool to watch!
Love it anyway :)
Great video, I love the MIG-21 in DCS, but I just can't seem to fly it without engine flameout! I have improved my ejection technique though..
Don't go too fast don't go too slow and don't pull too hard or negative g's goodluck
Can I ask why you dont turn your radar off after you make visual contact while in pursuit? Seems like if they are modern aircraft will get an RWR warning no?
Fantastic
Thx for watching, do please consider subscribing 🥳
Can't believe that guy made a carrier landing after taking a missile hit
Ah yes the usual F16 friendly fire on growling. It ain't a growling sortie if someone doesn't get friendly fired. Not hating or whatever but it's just funny thing that just completes the experience. Also been thinking about the mig 21 just so I can train my self to listen to awacs and to be smart this video has pretty much sold me on the idea. Been spoiled by the modern systems using something more analog probs help understand the basics alot more and improve my skills overall. Really great video and now a subscriber. Another thing cheeki breeki tactics are always the most fun.
It wouldn't be growling sidewinder without a FF kill. I couldn't believe the tacview when I watched it, I nearly spat out my coffee. Thanks for subscribing dude! I think I am going to try out the mirage next, even though it's not cheeki breeki, it will be putain merde tactics.
@@Enigma89 French dorito that appears once in a blue moon just too kill me. So rarely see it in the servers that I play on the regualr that I always assume the M2 rwr symbol as a Sam or ground radar then end up getting smacked and as soon as I learn my lesson the mirage disappears until the next time I forget and get killed by it again. Pure stealth from limited brain capacity and stupidity.
Good video and music, which White bat track is this?
Just subbed love your style in debating the mig21bis but only have atheustmaster joystick but I'm interested in learning all the slang and how to play
Thanks, glad you are finding it interesting
nice video...
Thanks for the visit
Comradeeeee
DA
nice
I tried the Mig 29 once, actually got 3 kills and it was verry fun bc you have no datalink and need to rely on the awacs callouts. You still have iff and good missiles so you can actually do something
Next challenge: WW2 fighter in your cold war server... 😜
I've tried before and couldn't hang at all. I'll keep practicing though. Inspiring.
Feel free to drop me any questions in my discord (Link in description) Good luck on your effort
Thank you. I ended getting an F14 that night. Haven't been able to get on again since, but I will soon.
@@airdirtpc8019 there is a reason Saddam buried his air force in the sand. It's not a fair fight so sometimes you will run into bad streaks. I went 0-25 at one point. Keep it up!
MiG21 radar does not give lock warnings btw, only launch and nails. But nails only inside 30km or so. Its totally broken
bro, imagine flying an F-15 and getting popped by a MiG-21 lmao
You should try using a more ballistic trajectory when you pounce on your target. keep off the double racks and you'll be able to gank targets at 1.8, making survival easier
"GS is a little bit laggy" bwahahahaha
"you see this guy warp...this is DCS 2.7 in multiplayer"...tbf, there is no server with lag anywhere close to as bad as GS
My main struggle with these tactics these days is the AWACS. Any time I request a bogey dope, I get ten different messages, all talking on top of each other, and it’s remarkably disorienting. I tried picture, but it has a funny habit of giving nonsensical responses (my favorite was a BRAA 175, 20, 0, hot that appeared consistently for ten minutes no matter how I maneuvered). Losing even more SA compared to the enemy makes an already difficult challenge significantly harder. I’d go hunting in a Viggen in a heartbeat if AWACS didn’t give me a headache whenever I hop on GS.
I like the Mig-21, I will still buy it. For now I am flying the F-5, another plane that I admire.
I dont have the f5 yet but I may try it out. Do you fly coldwar server?
@@Enigma89 sometimes with my friends, but now we are working to make a campaign with liberation software
@@winingtoneich8193 Please let me know when the campaign is ready!
@@winingtoneich8193 Any update? :)
you choose your music well.
thank you
Do we have an option between green or blue cockpit in the mig21 ? Or was it just updated to Blue at some point ? Im using english cockpit from within the special options
There is a mod that has different colours
ah thanks @@Enigma89
You also don't want to pull too many G's in the mig-21 or it will jettison everything on the pylons for you
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wouldnt the radar overheat after a while? I heard you need to put it into standby and use it sparingly while in the air
Sorties don't last long on that server
Ive been loving the mig 21 on growling
One ✊of ✊ us ✊
@@Enigma89 its one of those things where there is no shame in all the many deaths and all the glory for the couple kills
@@Enigma89 you might enjoy this short video a friend of mine made of my first flight and kill in the mig21 on growling. Lets just say i was a bit more excited than i usually am spamming 120s in a 16
czcams.com/video/sTYC4WyvCaA/video.html
@@Hustler9g I will never stop watching videos of Mig-21s taking down hornets and vipers. thx for sharing
Hey mate I tried doing the same on the growling sidewinder pvp server with my Mig-21 but I can't get any radio response back at all. This includes the AWACS, ATC and ground crew. Even in the ED single player missions it doesn't work. I've double checked the freqs because even the text is highlighted when I bring up the intercomm menu so it is matching, but my pilot speaks but never gets a response.
GS has been changing their mission a lot. Biggest suggestion is to check the briefing and compare that to the radio channel then compare that to what is tuned on srs.
@@Enigma89 it seems to be a bug with the open beta....? I went back to stable on steam and it worked fine, getting responses in both single and multiplayer. Then reloaded the open beta and again no responses in either single or multiplayer.
This is weird
*edit* I also tried your cold war server, same issue.
Growling Sidewinder lite
Would you be kind to upload your trackir profile?
Come to my discord, ping me and I will message you with it. Not sure where I could upload it so you can get it directly.
discord.gg/3ZMttnKmkh
More like 2000s NATO Aim9X, C5s, HMS
You are probably not wrong!
This server is like warthunder
Long live Lenin
I want to be this masochist especially in the F-16 vs F-16 Growling server. This is a dumb question but can their 120s lock you if you have your radar off?
Yes they can lock you. They wont see you on rwr though so that let's you be sneaky. If they are just flying along you can slot in under them.
Bro do the JF17
I have that module. I like it and I think Dekka is a fantastic module maker. My biggest wish is that they make the Su-30MKK.
Its 2000s and your mig21 is from 1971, the r60M is even from 1982 or so
nice subscribed.. lets fly together some time! i posted a gundown of an F14 in my Su27
Nice! Feel free to find me on my discord, I don't play DCS everyday but would be fun to try something
Pov: yugoslavia 1999
you know it
Gib back slaving pipper
Soviet AF hahahaha so awesome I want one the Iraq livery is bad ass
I think GS just stole this vid concept today
I don't think he is trying to steal anything. He is just doing a video of flying the Mig-21 around the Cold War for the first time so I don't think he is doing anything nefarious. I think the recent popularity in the Mig-21 is really because of Hoggit's Syria at War server. There seems to be a lot of new interest in it so there are just a lot more people who want to learn it. So it seems normal that a big CZcamsr would want to do a video on it.
Ironically, I have been flying on the Cold War server a lot lately, today I put in maybe 4 hours on there, and am deciding on what sort of video I want to make with it. So my next video may be similar to his if I decide not to make a funny version of the video.
You should disable radar after you get the visual contact. No need to announce yourself too loudly
It's better to keep it on for more SA. They are getting RWR warnings for everything, the thing they care about the least is a mig-21.
Has it ever occurred to you that the only realistic comparison would be today's Russian aircraft compared with todays NATO aircraft - as is it's like comparing my first wife (UGH!) with the current lady.(wonderful) - so far..
Someone should add a chinese skin
They have a bunch and some Vietnamese and North Korean ones as well
somewhere far far away (in alternative univers XD) F-15C pilot cry hard....HOW HE SHOT ME DOWN ...HOWWWWW!? (XD)