Audija Kickdrum is the Kick2 Killer!
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Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
0:51 How I used to do it
3:57 Audija KickDrum
4:40 Why use this over Kick2
7:16 Making a kick in this plugin
14:32 Toughts & where to get it
16:00 How this plugin could be improved
19:57 Outro
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In this video I want to present you with a new kick plugin. This one was reccomended to me by @mrspeaker-ch in our recent interview and after having explored it for a bit, I must say I'm very happy with it. I'll first go over how I used to make kick drums, Then I'll explain some of the main features of the plugin & make a kick from scratch. Finally I'll give my opinion on how the plugin could be improved.
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This Plugin is the Kick2 Killer!
#Audija #KickDrum #Kick2 #Psytrance #Tutorial - Hudba
THIS. IS. CRAZY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
changing the front of kick while keeping the end in phase is a GAME CHANGER but most importaly a, a TIME SAVER. Thanks for the share!!
Yeah it's awesome!
@@Projektor_music I just played with the demo for an hour now and all I can say is... "This Plugin is the Kick2 Killer!" Yes it is indeed. Never thought I would see the day 😭
Great stuff. I went ahead and bought it, because it’s still on sale. I love that it keeps a consistent phase towards the P-marker. Thanks for showcasing this to us.
you're welcome & I hope you enjoy the plugin!
it's cool to see how much you can get out of just a sine wave with enough controls and a good workflow
Also nice kick VST is Chop Suey. You can glue 3 Kicks to one. Transistent, punch and bass
I picked this up yesterday after I saw your short on it. I really like their implementation that the envelope breakpoints actually match the timeline.
yeah and now that I've found the zoom I like it a lot more too!
@@Projektor_music how do you zoom?
@@08run right click drag... i know it's unintuitive
@@Projektor_music would never figure it out lol. thanks
I love this plug-ins so great
Instant buy at this price point! Thanks for this awesome review! 🚀
happy to help!
this looks so cool how it works
7 minutes in, paused the video and bought it. On offer for 22 euros at the moment! Cheers for the heads up, Pro'!
glad you enjoy!
Same here 🤓
i've bought it also, even though i already own kick2. however from using it a while it does not replace kick 2. the sound of the kicks from kick2 are far superiour, and also the way you can edit and zoom in. in fact besides from messing with it a while back when i just bought it, ive not been using it anymore. stuff like phase alignment i really dont want to be bothered with it when creating a track, ill worry about that when mixing.
@@Bass_Nomad. Optionsssss 😆 I bought it to support a small developer while having some extra tool. I mainly use D16 Punchbox. I'll check Kick 2 to evaluate it's features. 🤓🤜✨🤛
@@Bass_Nomad. whatever suites your workflow best :)
Great video and great plugin. And thanks a lot for letting us all know about it :) I struggled as well with a few things, especially zooming. Right click and drag will zoom in/out. There is a toggle next to the EQ label which hides the EQ curve when disabled. It also disables the EQ unfortunately... But in gain mode you will see an icon on the bottom right which allows you to disable the spectrum at least. With the buttons below the wave export you can en/disable a few other gui elements which helps to declutter the interface further. If you go to presets (top left) -> settings you can save the current configuration as initial state so you won't have to bother every single time. Drag and drop is not a thing right now, but I managed in Bitwig at least to paste the sample (cmd/ctrl + V) at the playhead position.
yeah I feel like there are a few extra features this plugin needs but the main environment makes it already easy to work in. I'll keep an eye out for future updates!
You are awesome thanks for recommending this
No problem
Kick 2 has the main advantage that I can load a kick I like from another track as a sample, and visualize it and try to closely rebuild the kick.But I think not all people want that for their genre. Sometimes you want to "copy" the feel of a kick, an you may or may not do that easely with this new plugin alone. You would need an beat synced oscilloscope where you can overlay two signals (like the free Oscillator VST: Signalizer)
honestly I've found you can just use psyscope to match kicks tightly enough to work. Also signalizer is an osciloscope, not oscilator...
@@Projektor_music according to kvr, jan (dev) is currently working on sample layers
@@Projektor_music true, you could but if I'am able to do it within the vst its, at least for me, more convinient. and yes, signalizer is one of the best free oscilloscopes I know.
I think the major downside of this new plugin is that you are not able to zoom horizontaly, as you pointed out. but I think thats updatable :-)!
thank you for your time and effort creating content like this!!
@@UTOBY I'd check out psyscope as it's better for this kind of work than signalizer IMO...
Right click drag for zoom! I have a new video coming out explaining that and a bit more!
Glad you like the content
6:42 alright that is really cool, thanks for the rec!
it is, and I love that so many people both know why it is so cool & agree with me on this!
Basically it's using the EQ curve as a frequency dependant gain control rather than the time based one that is the mseg
no it's a full kick drum synthesis plugin with many more unique features...
I would have called it Final_Kick_vst. Great video, definitely take a look!
yes man its a good one, my friend Audija gave it to me and its amazing
ahh cool! glad you like it!
@@Projektor_music there is no way back haha
looks like an awesome plugin. I will still keep to psylab though because it can recreate reference kicks.
yeah maybe in a future update this plugin will have it too!
Thank you!!!
funny, i had this idea of a VST kick synth that fixes the ending phase many years ago. now i don't have to learn VST programming 😅 thanks for the video
lucky you, it's a hasstle!
I made such plugin for me 10 years ago. Also can deconstruct audio sample and recreate the kick succesfully.
thank you for sharing this tool. It's really affordable too...
Glad you like it!
Got it!
Enjoy!
This is exactly the kick synth I was looking for. I also use Intelligent Wire's NIRGUNA, a dedicated PsyBass synth.
I think these two have a great affinity when it comes to PSY Trance's groove production.
that plugin looks sick too, unfortunately still under construction!
Command (Mac) and drag up or down to zoom X axis or right click and drag up or down.
yeah in windows it's right click drag (which I have never seen before in any software so i get why I didn't find it for this video)
Hi there,
I bought this right after your last vid, where you mentioned it. The direct dragging of the WAV doesn't work. But you should be able to drag any Audio from the Microsoft Explorer into Live.
This includes the freshly exported kicks of this plugin.
There is something not working properly with your setup.
As always, a great video. I'm glad someone got the focus on this piece of software.
The issue is ableton runs in admin mode. This has to be the case for my meny system to work, which I value more. Still dropping instantly in the timeline should just be a feature in this plugin..
Haven't tried it, but click into daw timeline or session view and press CTRL+V....
Hold right mouse button on the waveform and drag to zoom in on the transient :)
yeah found it!
Thanks for the tip!
Why does the phase matter if the kick is finished before the bass starts? Am I missing something or was that not what you were saying about hitek 1/16 and other 1/8?
generally the phase doesn't matter in that case. Although broadly in psytrance the kick & bas sdo play on top or each other and I've even seen it in hi-tech. Some people will argue that having the kick & bass in phase even when they don't overlap creates a kidn of glueing effect between the subs of the kick & bass. I've had success with this and also had situations in which it did not matter or made a bad bassline but some people do find success with doing this.
Thank You
You're welcome
Such a well thought out plugin, a massive time saver for sure!
definitly!
To quickly get the wavefile in your DAW press the .wav -> icon then press CTRL+V to paste it in your DAW. (works in cubase)
not in ableton...
The GUI is very distracting but the feature set is nice, especially the “EQ” and phase tools and the price is nice too. I’m relying heavily on the Scorb kicks from Futurephonic so Kick2 will always be part of my toolbox, however I hope some healthy competition will encourage Sonic Academy to update Kick2, to include phase rotation at the very least.
yeah the title is a bit hyperbolic, but I won't get any othe rkick plugin anytime soon!
Habe you ever tried the Kuch vst from kindzaza? There is a phase knob, too. A comparison would be great!🙏🏽
I haven't no... i'll just stick with this one now...
We need a Snare 2 :D
I tried this plugin is amazing but i have find out a "problem" maybe is me but i would like to ask to you. the preset and sometimes when i do my own kick i set up the fundamental key and when i check it on the stock ableton spectrum analyzer is wrong, happen also to you or I miss something?
btw you channel is amazing there are so much useful content keep work on this because is pure gold
Much love from italy
thanks man! Glad to help!
Often spectrum analyzers show wrong information on keys when they are presented with short & changing pitches (like in the case of the kick). I would trust the plugin!
hi nice plugin tip , did u try "Chop Suey" from Sinee / Dawsome?
no I haven't. TBH I don't really test a lot of plugins just like this, I have very little time!
For me the best vst for kicks is Metrum from Vengeance. Great Osc with great samples.
I've never used that one so I can't say much about it. What I do know is that this plugin has some particular features that make it work very well for psytrance so at 50 euro it's definitly a plugin worth picking up, even if you already have a kick plugin!
I think it is really really cool but I think you can not arrange the transient of the kick with this one. Like which click / noise sound to be used unlike Kick 2.
you can just make a sampler intrument and trigger it with the same midi if needed...
Thank you.
Please what is the name of your Live’s theme ? Very nice and sober..
Arfal Dark+
@@Projektor_music Thank you 🤝
@@3ric908 glad to help!
I can just copy and past into the DAW I dont have to save it any where I just hit 'CTRL v' after I hit copy and it goes right onto the Track
which DAW do you use?
@@Projektor_music bitwig
I think that if you also open the explorer window in elevated mode (meaning with administrator access) you will be able to drag and drop the wav-file from the explorer window into Ableton running in admin mode. The reason for this not working as it is now, is because the two processes are running in different user context and it is a security measure not having the two processes to be able to interact with each other.
didn't know that... I guess that means no drag & drop from desktop then...
@@Projektor_music No, I think not. But, if the plugin is set to default export its wav-files to the desktop, you could always add a link to that folder in Ableton I think. That way you can access the desktop-folder using the process Ableton runs in, which means that you should be able to drag and drop files from that folder into the project.
@@octapoly yeah i have that bu drag & drop would be better...
Nice 👍
Thanks ✌
You can zoom in using the right mouse button I believe. just move your curser to the point you want to zoom in to and right click and move the mouse up or down to zoom in and out.
right click drag is something I've never encountered before in any interface lol. I'll try it!
@@Projektor_music that is actually true :'D but it actually works on this one
@@Skanoh it's a bit of a wierd design choise lol
17:30 well there's grid adjuster if thats what you mean by zooming in on the grid below Tag
I found that right click dragging works!
Hello and thank you for the video.
Maybe there is something i missed but is there a loop mode because in my opinion (and comfort) it would be really useful and easier to shape the sound while looping.
Be obliged to click the speaker button is definitely not practical for me.
So, is there a way to loop the kick sound while shaping it ?
If not, maybe they could add this in their next features !
Thank you.
There isn't as far as I know although you can always set that up in the DAW and leave it running, you will just need to exit out of the plugin to stop playing, or maybe have the plugin on a second monitor, different from the DAW. It takes away keyboard input for some reason at least in ableton...
@@Projektor_music Thank you very much for your response but I didn't quite understand.
If I put my DAW on loop and let it run, if I open kickdrum while my DAW is running, is editing (shaping) possible, yes or no?
Thank you in advance and if you don't have time to respond, thank you anyway and have a good day 🙂
@@phitre yes then you can edit the kick... as long as you trigger it with MIDI every beat it should work
@@Projektor_music Now, it's clear for me.
Thank you very much :-)
@@phitre you're welcome!
Which DAW do you use?
this is Ableton with the arfal dark+ skin on it
No it's not, it lacks sample layers etc. The kick2 killer is psylab pro (combine it with PSYPHAZ PRO for even more manipulation).
I would trade the layers for the always in phase issue any day!!! Kick2 is still amazing for snares and a alot of other stuff. You can even do psytrance basses with Kick2 so its not going in the bin anytime soon :)
@xgmode you can just add a hat on another track and mix it in, or even trigger a sampler with a hat from the same midi if needed, it's not the important part. The whole phase allignment issue being taken care of in the kick is much more of a time saver IMO
Yeah, I also find the layering feature in kick2 obsolete.
@@Spoiled_bats I mean it's useful, but there are easy ways around not having it...
@@Projektor_music Indeed, the phase alignment in Kickdrum is much easier. I would argue that it isn't that hard to do in Kick2, the transient and body can be locked in place. It's the tail which require some work to align, but it isn't that bad.
Look at this video to see how locking works in Kick2: How to Reverse Engineer a Kick Drum - Kick 2 Sonic Academy
What about BazzISM2? It’s a bit old but the results are great for psytrance
never really used it so I can't say. it will probably work well for more old school stuff though
Bazzism has a nice character but the editing is bloody awful, like throw your computer out of the window awful 😂
@@BappinProductions yes, controlling the envelope can be a bit tricky at times but i still like the sound that comes out in the end. nice, clean sounding kick drums, perfect for old school type psytrance
kick 2 could do 3.0ms of sample, how many ms can this do please? just if i wanted to make 808s etc
idk what you mean, 3ms is much shorter than any kick you will likely make... Audija has a range for example between 50ms and 13sec
@@Projektor_music 3000 ms was kick 2s limit that was its downfall I mean
Only think I don't like about this is there no harmonics section for the sub like kick 2
@@smithwoodward yeah I can see, making psytrance I don't care, we just use sine waves but for 808's it can be nice, that being said you can still just saturate it after generating...
@Projektor_music for sure, any good harmonising plugins for such things you can recommend? I was thinking about getting waves Submarine but I'm sure there is better. This new plugin is awesome for 808s though 👌
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thanks!
I finally got around to trying this and the linear graph is a huge turnoff. All of the character and finetuning of a psy kick is at the front end and you have to zoom right in. Imo you might as well use any soft synth with an MSEG that you already have. Kick 2 is king for kicks because the log scale time axis gives more editing real estate to the critical front end.
Saved myself 22e though so it’s not all bad 😅
you can actually zoom in with right click drag & personally I'd say give it a try!
@@Projektor_music nope. Log scale or gtfo, for me personally. That’s a level of tedium I’m not prepared to put with up. I can achieve a good enough phase alignment with subtle changes to the overall length in Kick 2 or by using PHA-979 and even though it’s a compromise it’s way less annoying than having to constantly zoom and in and out for basic editing, of which there is a lot of when making and tweaking a kick.
its nice, however once you have rendered the kick..if you do any processing on it afterwards its likely to change the phase again.
Which is why that is not reccomended imo.
@@Projektor_music Well, restricting creativity in the sake of technical perfection isn't really recommended either :) More over since there are phase rotation tools that can help you realign your phase once processed. One great tool is the PHA-979 by Voxengo.
@@alexyakas the kind of processing you want to do any creative stuff I reccomend not doing it with the kick (apart from filter transitions, kick rolls and mixing stuff, but I have addressed how to make sure the kick still works wel in terms of phase rotation in all of those regards.) Moreover, a tool like you mentioned can solve an issue, but also introduce new issues. The point of this plugin instead is that you don't have to resolve to those tools as it is build into the instrument...
@@Projektor_music Obviously you're free to do whatever you want but your approach is completely wrong in my opinion. Music comes first. Work on your sound. Sound design your kick and bass so they reflect your vision. Any problems present later, can always be fixed in pre-mix session. By the way, you write "apart from filter transitions, kick rolls and mixing stuff". EQ, Saturation / Distortion and Multiband processing are mainly mixing tools and they phase shift your signal big time, how come you mention these as "apart from..."
When you sound design the kick and bass you will at some point phase align them as much as possible, what's the difference doing that form the beginning than rendering the kick applying processing and then realign the phase with the bass? 😂
@@alexyakas "but I have addressed how to make sure the kick still works wel in terms of phase rotation in all of those regards." there is a massive part behind it that which is important. You need to use the tools correctly. BTW saturation/distortion doesn't shift phase, filters do. Maybe your distortion/saturation comes with a high pass filter build in (this is quite common).
The reason why I say you should allign the kick & stick with it is because it allows you to focus on that what actually matters: the musical idea! the kick & bass have to work from a technical perspective so I suggest getting those out of the way quickly, while maintaining flexibility, which I believe this plugin does. That way you can spend more time on the parts where you can actually be creative!
Maybe check out a plugin from a German techno producer (so it's his company - I believe - that developed it). The plugin is called "chop suey" from "sine"
yeah I got that reccomended a few times! I'll check it out!
The developer is Dawesome. Peter is German and he plays bassoon and contrabassoon and may or may not have a techno project :D
@@BappinProductions ahh yeah the abyss guys. But is chop suey suitable for psytrance kicks? it looks more techno/hardstyle focused with the 3 components approach...
much more useful than kick 2
Most definitely!
Got this within 2 minutes of watching
Lol, good to see you here, boss! :)
22 euros. Is Audija some kind of Santa?
Maybe, do we know what he looks like? No, think about it!
nobody's ever seen them both in the same room at the same time
Just a noob/hobby producer here. But i already thought about why they did not put some of that features in kick2. Especially the automatic snapping to time grid function and that the wave follows the amp curve. Too bad i just bought kick2😂
i mean why not both?
@@Projektor_music ok for that price i'll give it a go. That's probably less than some hobby drummers pay for drum gloves 🤣
@@Bobbycartuner yeah now that's on sale it's a no brainer IMO
@@Bobbycartuner ex drummer here and 20 years ago I was spending way more than the equivalent of 22e for extra drums, cymbals and other accessories :D
my only gripe is you can't import clicks/transients-- add this and its def will be the best kick plugin in the history of EDM..it sucks you have to guess your kick length on kick2 ...so dumb. They need to make the interface like shaperbox - same colors, similar , and transient shaping with just draggin in and not worrying about phase.
Honestly I don't see the value in that. I like to have the transients seperated on it's own channel anyway if I even need them... I do only make psytrance so maybe for other genres it's more needed...
Just enable legends for the nodes then you know exact time and frequency (pitch env) and gain (amp) if every node, no guessing needed!
amazing, but they need a UX designer.
yeah I would agree on that...
Bassilimus Iteritas Alta is Best for Kick
yes a 399 dollar discontinued product which needs another few hundred bucks to even be usable beats a 22 buck plugin. I think they are uncomparable my friend... But I'm sure it is a great module...
Why?
For psytrance? No way, software gives you so much more control the two can’t even be compared and I have 5k of Eurorack myself and Bas is on my wish list
Awful GUI. But at least it follow up share unlike kick 2.
it's clutterd but I like it. definitly can use some tweaking & some more options...
i you doesn't know how to design a kick with kick 2 if you know, it doesnt need add eq or saturator that will change the phase if you will do that a terrible mistake of a beginner producer
i do know how to design kicks. have done so many times with many different methods & I can say this plugin is one of the best ways to do it...
No, it’s not.
ok...
Unpopular opinion:
In key kicks are contrary to the whole idea of a kickdrum. It doesn't make them sound good or make them better to phase allign with a bass. I think they sound quite horrible tbh.
ok, I find that it helps massively but the tone has to come first if that is what you mean...
@@Projektor_music You don't need to have the kick and bass on the same pitch to phase allign them. If the kick has a liitle pitch envelope beyond the transient it will punch through much better and there's still plenty of room to adjust the phase. The phase will never be 100% perfect anyway so there's no need to worry too much about it. If you're making anything but a single pitch bassline there will be pretty bad phase shift on any other note than the one you've adjusted you kick & bass phase to. It's just a matter of keeping it in check and keeping a clean headroom nothing more.
But, then I'm also not producing "pure" psytrance and only using these kinds of basses for some parts with lots of pitch changes.
@@leo.nordmann judging by how your music sounds, you clearly have no idea what your talking about m8.
@@leo.nordmann yeah in psytrance this kick & bass allignment is indeed done in a more tight manner and all the things you said don't really apply to psytrance (of course the main idea is the heardoom so there is wiggle room) but having the kick & bass in the same key is a neccesaty for propper phase allignment.
@@Yahyaa2009 dude my last release on this account was 4 years ago lmao.
God you´re rambling, this could be a 5 minute video. Plugin is awesome tho
yet you found the time to leave a comment. positivity champ ;)
Ok
You tried dragging it out from the .wav button, but did you try to click that button and then pasting it on an audio track? Idk, thats what it says it should do on their page...
i did off camera and while other DAW's had success in ableton it didn't work for me...