About arowhead: fact: it is currently one of two stadiums that falls under the OLD regulation about the perimeter of the field in relation to diatance from the stands. Aka the seating is right next to field almost on top of the players. This has the consequence of making the atmosphere intimate, the sound from fans is louder, and fans can see the action better. New stadium builds under the new regulations are not able to take advantage of those consequences. These are the reasons to NOT tear down arrowhead.
Mile high stadium use to be like that when they built the new crib and it sucks. The angle in the bottom sections were flatten out so the angle and distance sucked.
Yes, but in render it looks like adding more is a good idea when Royals leave? All the extra land of said stadium could have been used for a bar type place and food concessions and even a smaller Ramada/Radison type place decked out in teams colors.
This stadium is one of those rare cases where age has not affected it, I love the shape of its stands, I would only make improvements inside to improve access and so on, but on the outside it looks beautiful, maybe change seats and that, but the old fashion exterior is beautiful from my point of view. Salute from Argentina, this stadium is the headquarters of the 2026 World Cup hell yeah
The architecture at Arrowhead is iconic. Adding some big modern glass/chrome exterior would be a travesty. That goes for Kauffman too. It's a shame they are demolishing it.
@@andrebailey6676 Like what? More room in the concourse? More bars? ok.... All the stuff he talked about in this video is cosmetic. He's actually kinda clueless when it comes to arrowhead and what KC fans want.
What purpose is there to "modernize" the exterior, only to have it look tacky and dated XX years down the road? Stadiums are one of the biggest taxpayer scams going. KC has an iconic and functional stadium that fits the need...something that more cities/teams should strive for.
Chiefs fan here. The additional parking makes sense for us because we like to tailgate and the entire lot is already full for every game as it is. So that will be nice to have. I do agree that the upper deck needs a facade as well so it's enclosed on the concourse. I was expecting that. Will be good to have bigger video boards and better sound system.
As a Chiefs fan I think it's perfect, I don't think Chiefs fans want an entertainment district because a large part of.our culture is having the best tailgating in the NFL
culture??? dude, its out of complete necessity..there is NOTHING to do before or after a game except walk 4 miles to get to your car. You can have the tailgating...give me somewhere to go before or after a game...go to St. Louis and see how its done correctly with Cardinal Nation...its awesome. KC you are way behind the times.
Being from KC and being part of many Cheifs fan groups on Facebook ive seen a lot of positive feedback on this. I think a lot of people that are "pissed" as it were, are probably folks who dont go to games. As far as the parking goes someone suggested maybe they plan to expand the parking so that the Royals can still use it on game days and just have dedicated shuttles bringing the fans from there to the new stadium. Personally im a fan of the proposed changes. It will condense the parking so that you no longer have cars parked probably close to a mile away. I used to work at the stadiums and for Chiefs games you had to park in lot L which is one of the furthest lots from the stadium. So imagine parking there then having to walk into the stadium then walk up and down the stairs all game long as a vendor, then walking back. If that sounds bad imagine doing it in December or January when its near freezing at 3 PM. Also this will allow them to maybe start building some infrastructure around the staidum to attract people. Currently there's no reason to go out there unless there's a game. Theres no bars, the lone restaurant is a taco bell. With this maybe they could turn the extra space into something if they so chose.
Baseball needs to be around something, like shops and restaurants. Football is fine out in nowhere vill its not a walk up sport. Baseball is more of a spur of the movement for a lot of fans.
The chiefs use all that parking and still don't have enough. There is no need or reason to develop the area around it. It's a huge stadium that needs 25,000 parking spaced that is used 20 times a year. The area around it is mostly highways and industry. It's like an area between the city and the suburbs. The nearby demographics won't support additional development. I think it's fine, but the Royals needs to move downtown and build a modern stadium. I think the plans for both teams is a good fit.
I would counter the point about what the demographics will support by observing that Patriot Place, the shopping and restaurant addendum the Krafts grafted onto Gilette years _after_ the stadium went up, is even more remote from solid demographics than the Truman Sports Complex. Something like that, at the juncture of two interstates and within city limits, could be made to work, even beyond the 20 dates per year. But I am unsure whether the fiscally risk averse Hunts would take the same leap of faith the Krafts did. I think the points you raised deterred them more completely than the remoteness of Foxboro did the Krafts. Note also that, like Arrowhead, the Patriots training facility got sited within the Foxboro parking desert. (The MLS team facility followed later.) So, Gillette/Patriot Place/training facility would seem like something that should be examined more closely in figuring out what to do with the TSC parking desert. Building a structure or two would keep the number of parking spaces at 25,000+ and open portions of the desert to development. (Not all lots because...tailgating!) Non-tailgaters could utilize the structures and the restaurants would give people a place to divert to until post-game traffic subsided.
@@johnmaster3748 Foxboro is an exurb between Boston and Providence with little retail. It's a perfect fit for an outlet mall. The truman sports complex is in an industrial area between the city and the suburbs. If you drive ten minutes east, you have plenty of shopping, movie theaters etc, in Independence, Lee's Summit, Blue Springs etc. so there would be no demand for such a thing at the stadiums. The KC market is already over saturated with retail centers and most have high vacancies. And throwing an outlet mall onto the side of the stadium would be a terrible idea for the Royals. There is a big difference between an urban ballpark and an stadium with a strip mall thrown next to it. Face it, the Chiefs need lots of parking and the location is fine for them. It's never really going to develop. If that area develops at all, it would be into warehouse parks. I just hope renovating vs building a new stadium works. I'm not totally sold on this renovation. The Royals need to move though.
As a chiefs fan who lives in KC, we’re cool with this (at least the people I know). We’re actually pissed about the Royals stadium potentially moving downtown. It’s going to wipe out the crossroads district. All the business owners in that area are 100% against it.
You can say a lot about Detroit, good or bad, but they got the stadium thing right. Everything is right smack in the center of downtown for all four major sports teams without the parking lot desert a lot of stadiums have. Tailgating is still huge but it’s in an area a short walking distance from the stadium but also is used during the week for regular business parking.
Love the idea actually. The stadium itself looks great as is. It's one of the loudest in the league. Yeah, they don't need more parking lots. But why change an already good thing? Stadium just needs some modernization.
Also, the whole ballpark village thing was addressed in the press conference. The royals are doing the same thing but downtown and it will be silly to attempt to compete with that.
Clark said $800 million price tag for these renovations. Gotta remember that they're pretty much gutting the entire thing and putting in new suites/restrooms/concessions.
I love this renovation because it doesn't reduce capacity and tailgaiting parking spaces. Enhancing existing spaces will make the experience more comfortable for existing fans. Just build something similar to Patriot Place or American Dream where Kauffman Stadium is. Parking lot desserts are great for tailgating. Garages create horrible congestion.
Yall clearly didn't watch it. They said they didn't want to put shopping district and hotels, bcse they don't want to compete with downtown amenities for ONE day on Sunday. They know if football isn't being played, they will not make money. If your from KC, you know why.
6:40 "they need enough parking for the Royals and the Chiefs." What a silly statement. The parking only needs to serve the larger of the two stadiums because the teams do not host big events on the same day. The Chiefs may need more parking, the Royals do not. There are football lots there the Royals don't even open. Arrowhead will host a Copa America match on Monday, July 1. Why Monday? It's a Royals off-day. It may be a parking desert, but that asphalt expanse was never intended for both stadiums to be in simultaneous use when full.
there’s a rendering of the new downtown site for the Royals stadium and they will have a new deck park over the recessed highway that’s there now leading up to the stadium that looks cool
Fun fact for you. The original plan was a moving dome that could be shifted between both stadiums. They rejected it back then because the price was considered to much at roughly 200mill then. This movable dome would have made it to where Kc could have hosted superbowls. Oh if they had the foresight back then
Ok, do not have a clue where you are from, but you have no clue. Screen grab a couple complaints and say that they are upset. Btw, anything that happens outside of the stadium area like bars and hotels is not up to the Chiefs. I am guessing you either live in Johnson County where you don't have to pay a penny to the tax let and that's if you are even here in kansas city. Downvoting this and blocking this channel for misinformation.
The “parking lot desert” is one of the best aspects of arrowhead. The more space the better. The tailgate is very important to the arrowhead experience.
Okay I was worried there’d be a ton of negative comments, so I’m happy to see other people satisfied with this. This is exactly the kind of renovations that fit KC perfectly. Glad people aren’t being grouchy about this.
Not really a renovation to the stadium itself, they're just planning to take over the entire Truman Sports Complex once the Royals move Downtown and they knock down Kauffman. We all knew that was coming, gotta do something with that massive parking lot.
I live close to the stadium so I’m happy that this area will be built up a bit more. But for the cost of this renovation and the outcome do not match at all. Would love a dome for arrowhead.
The parking for the Truman Sports Center was designed to handle the maximum cars for Arrowhead. The Royals and the Chiefs NEVER play at the complex at the same time. Taking parking spots away would be reducing parking for the Chiefs.
I agree with that one reply shown that a St Louis Cardinals Ballpark Village type entertainment hub would have been the best use of the Kaufman Stadium space
Jackson Co. are you ready for all the new.... updated... concourses and bridges!?!! Upgraded wifi and more VIP areas!? Ready to pay for that for forty years, babeeeee!? Let's goooooooo! Gonna look amazing on my television set.
It's 100% in the middle of nowhere so I would not go to it regularly even if they build some sort of entertainment district. Also, it would take away from the tailgating atmosphere.
You know what I’m pissed off about is that our OWNER CLARK HUNT got the lowest score from NFLPA for being the worst owner in the league. How embarrassing is that?
Get a grip naysayers. It’s not a blank check to build Disneyland. This requires a 3/8-cent sales tax extension on the April ballot, which would help fund a new Royals ballpark and renovations at Arrowhead Stadium. If Jackson County voters, notoriously tough, approve the tax, both teams are committed to staying in Jackson County. Adding more challenges, Arrowhead is an island sandwiched between Independence and Raytown. It’s a Jackson County project. So the sensible plan is to present concepts voters will approve on the first ballot and not 2 to 4 years from now.
The stadium needs an exterior cladding, if only to protect the concrete from the weather. They should enclose the circular ramps at each corner as were with some stainless steel or aluminum. That will put an end to the 1970s aesthetic for good. The stadium is defined by its unique bowl and upper deck which creates perfect site lines and volume. They ought to think about creating a “popup” entertainment district with portable infrastructure open it up on Saturday nights and allow overnight parking for RVs and such. You would have local restaurants renting out stalls and setting up grills. It could be awesome.
You’re spot on… the last thing they need out there is more parking… but they could eliminate some of the super far out parking and put new parking at the demoed site of the baseball stadium. How do you build up a “district around the stadium” for 8 home games a year. Nobody is going to this neighborhood if there isn’t a game going on. Baseball has like 80 home games a year… big difference between baseball and football.. At that point you’re better off just building a new stadium out by the racetrack on the KS side.
horse racing / casino would’ve been huge next to the stadium all year round revenue, off track betting, in house betting, casino exploding in revenue. shame, arrowhead is in the middle of nowhere 🤣
@@itsNRC already lots of casinos in Missouri. Also one by the racetrack. Doubt the existing neighborhood wants a casino or racetrack so close.. Also Legends has a real racetrack and casino and bars already.. plus hotels..
@@dacokc i was referring to your point in saying they should’ve just build a new stadium out by the racetrack on the KS side. Horse Racing & Casinos DWARF the money that these stadiums get simply for lack of games & bets lol. Could’ve had year round revenue if a Football Stadium , Racetrack , Casino are built up right next to each other
@@michaelbaucom4019 depends how you structure the parking like DG said in the video, a giant wasteland field of parking spaces? or more compact less hideous , parking garages ? It’s how you use the space, i believe a Racetrack/Casino combo in the vacant lot where kauffman is would generate YEAR ROUND revenue, as a pose to a MINIMUM 8 home games a year out of 12 months , 365 days a year relying on the one stadium to generate a years worth of revenue , in which case why wouldn’t you add to the area ?
If you are old enough to remember the old stadium, you will remember the following traffic horrible, parking in yards of homeowners, 5 dollars and they promised your car would still have hubcaps. Now 50+ years later it’s time to repeat that same disastrous location for a stadium. The reason Jackson County built the stadium at its current location was. 1 easy access, two major freeways. Multiple points of entry, very large parking lot. Very few residential properties near it. No one can built on the property. It’s worked so well they think that can fix it by repeating history. Once the new stadium is downtown and people try to get in/out they will curse the day that thought downtown was a good idea.
Like you said, you can’t please everyone no matter what you do. It’s a low-stakes upgrade and making use of the newly available land. An entertainment district is probably pending more investors. And please no on the chrome facade. That’s going to age so badly. Arrowhead has a classic look. Don’t mess with it.
The proposed Arrowhead changes are fine! Would have loved a village area with bars and such, but being that the surrounding area is a parking lot and that will not change bc of the history of rabid tailgating parties, no business in their right mind would set up shop in a village that's opened 1 day a week for only 8-9 (maybe more with playoffs) weeks in a year. The Activation zone area makes sense as it allows the popup events and business to come. The other complication is the sports complex area is owned by the county, so the Hunt family is limited to what they can do in that area. Unlike the other upgrades inside the building for additional revenue, to build a facade upgrade cost money without a ROI. A hard ask since it most likely will request another sales tax increase in the city and/or county.
The exterior of the stadium looks fine! But a Bar complex would be great! Parking is important! Because we tailgate and the parking lot is almost always full!
Saying they should build bars around it just proves you don’t know the area. It’s in the middle of nowhere and it will only be used 12 times a year max. No one is building a bar that will only be used 12 times a year
The only people "pissed", are those that want an unrealistic dome over the stadium. They are a vocal minority and do not represent the majority of Chiefs fans. The presser today did note that there are exterior renovations, including covered concourses on the club level and a full 360 concourse on the upper level. The comment about "doing parking garages" says how little you know about the tailgate experience. By increasing parking, you eliminate one of the major gripes from fans attending games; and that is the limit to your tailgating site in the lots. No KC fan wants a parking garage. Regarding "building up the surrounding area", the TSC sits in an industrial area. In no way, shape or form does it make sense to create major commercial investments. Who is going to want to stay in a hotel overlooking Arrowhead and the MODOT salt barns? No one. Again, listening to the presser would probably have done you some good with a few of the ideas you presented.
On my way to Gates BBQ on 40 Hwy we passed by the Truman Sports Complex. It is exactly my thoughts, the entire complex is centered around the traditions passed from one Chiefs fan to the younger generations. Sitting out in the lot smoking some great bar-b-que before the game with 76,000 friends, making the short trek to the gates, getting in to sit in your seats, and finally screaming your head off to kill the opposing teams offense. Is it snazzy or glitzy? No, that's what we have Power and Light, The Plaza, and Kauffman Center of Performing Arts for. It does what it is meant to do.
If the Royals are moving out, it makes no financial sense to build an "entertainment district" in a parking lot next to the stadium for at most 8-10 days a year. Maybe a microbrew or a restaurant for the non-tailgaters.
Do what the Hurricanes are doing in the NHL. They are now doing underground 3-story decks so they can replace surface parking with restaurants, bars, etc
the citizens of kansas city missouri voted no to a small tax increase that would help renovations for arrowhead stadium. the news said the residents there didn't even know what they were voting for. so if they vote no again they may vacate arrowhead by 2030.
We are pissed about the owner of the Royals, John Burnham, demanding we pay taxes to give him a new stadium downtown, where an art district, The Crossroads, will be torn down. He is deceptively claiming that the Royals' stadium is crumbling and can't be renovated. Burns and McDonnell came out in 2021 saying that the stadium was fine, rated at least a B+. As usual, they are claiming that the downtown stadium will revitalize the city but the area around the Truman Complex is actually utterly a blight, nothing there. It is disgusting that they want us on the hook until 2064 for this new stadium downtown and the Chiefs' new party area in the parking lot. They need to go back to the drawing board because the tickets, parking and concessions are too expensive for the average people here and yet they want us to pay for this?
Hell, even Lambeau has stuff to do around the stadium. I'm in agreement, the Chiefs shouldn't geta roof to the stadium, but they can have an over hang kind of like what the Bengals have. That pedestrian bridge over that road is kind of cool I guess. But with that said if they build a couple of parking garages to condense the parking some, they could put a bar or restaurant on the ground level. Hell, even Jacksonville has a few parking garages with an attached restaurant that serves beer. And speaking of Jacksonville, at least the Jags are planning on putting stuff around the stadium that people could actually potentially enjoy. But then again, there is a minor league baseball stadium and an arena near the Jags stadium. My guess is that the Jags were considering the entertainment value of the people going to baseball stadium stadium or arena.
They have 10 or so home games a year including playoffs - what would be the point of bars in the parking lot? It’s a shitty area and no one will go there outside of game day
Exactly. So many times I’ve seen empty places, where nobody ever goes that are all built up with a ton of money spent on them & you could tell it was a dumb idea before it was even started. That’s exactly what putting a bunch of bars & restaurants in an area no one gives to, except for 8-10 days a year sounds like🤣 If people want all that kind of stuff, then they need to build the new Arrowhead downtown, where it can reasonably support itself during the off-season. Of course, no one wants that. Why, I’m not sure. I wonder if they even know themselves, really.
They aren’t thinking big picture, there’s more money to be made if they realized they could be putting on concerts and other events/venues during the off season if they added a retractable roof! They should be adding more seats expanding it for more seats, all of this would also make this stadium louder. They need to knock this outta the park, so they also host a Super Bowl and rake in millions as well, they are missing the bigger picture!
So while the royals move into town and build a stadium with minimal parking the chiefs said “we will demolish that old stadium for more parking and nothing else!” What a waste of land.
Kansas have no interest in the new stadium. Not to mention in few years from now KC will face the situation who will replace the head coach and their best players?
Another factor why they're doing the renovation is because Arrowhead Stadium is one of the stadiums that will be used for the upcoming World Cup in 2026.
It's insane the amount of people defending the new renovations. Supporting a new parking lot because "tailgating is part of arrowhead"? Like you can't already do that with the 15+ parking lots that already exist? God forbid the city & county actually invest in redeveloping the surrounding area so people would want to go there outside of the 60 days of the year that the stadium is actually in use.
SAD PART ABOUT THE TAX TO UPGRADE IS THAT IT WILL UPGRADE PREMIUM PARTS (VIP) AREAS MORE THAN ANYTHING AND THOSE TAXPAYERS ARE PROBABLY NOT A MAJORITY OF THE VIP AREAS.
How bout those….. CHEIFS! I love our stadium. It’s intimate, open to the elements (which makes the games more fun, in my opinion), and it holds a lot of history (we even set a world record here. ❤❤❤ I agree with a lot of the other comments about accessibility and flow, but the bones are good.
i would at least go with larger scoreboards, and another suite towner on the other sideline. but personally i would just build a new super stadium on the sire of kauffman stadium, then build up the property. do the chiefs have their practice facility on site or somewhere else, because if not i would move it there as well. i would also add solar pannel covers ontop of parking spaces like at the linc.
About arowhead: fact: it is currently one of two stadiums that falls under the OLD regulation about the perimeter of the field in relation to diatance from the stands. Aka the seating is right next to field almost on top of the players. This has the consequence of making the atmosphere intimate, the sound from fans is louder, and fans can see the action better. New stadium builds under the new regulations are not able to take advantage of those consequences. These are the reasons to NOT tear down arrowhead.
Mile high stadium use to be like that when they built the new crib and it sucks. The angle in the bottom sections were flatten out so the angle and distance sucked.
Same with the upper deck. Can be as steep if they rebuild it.
Getting rid of some of the parking at Arrowhead would make no sense. The tailgating is part of the love of Arrowhead.
Yes, but in render it looks like adding more is a good idea when Royals leave? All the extra land of said stadium could have been used for a bar type place and food concessions and even a smaller Ramada/Radison type place decked out in teams colors.
Will have more empty space once Royals park is gone
This stadium is one of those rare cases where age has not affected it, I love the shape of its stands, I would only make improvements inside to improve access and so on, but on the outside it looks beautiful, maybe change seats and that, but the old fashion exterior is beautiful from my point of view. Salute from Argentina, this stadium is the headquarters of the 2026 World Cup hell yeah
The architecture at Arrowhead is iconic. Adding some big modern glass/chrome exterior would be a travesty. That goes for Kauffman too. It's a shame they are demolishing it.
Arrowhead does not need a major overhaul. It's perfect the way it is....
Yeah but when you say reimagined people or thinking upgrades to the stadium to to things
@@andrebailey6676 Like what? More room in the concourse? More bars? ok.... All the stuff he talked about in this video is cosmetic. He's actually kinda clueless when it comes to arrowhead and what KC fans want.
I am really happy with the outcome. Keep Arrowhead Arrowhead with some new amenities.
Love this reimagined version of Arrowhead… just don’t want a downtown stadium. I’ll scream it a million times again
Arrowhead is fine, but the Royals need to move downtown.
What purpose is there to "modernize" the exterior, only to have it look tacky and dated XX years down the road?
Stadiums are one of the biggest taxpayer scams going. KC has an iconic and functional stadium that fits the need...something that more cities/teams should strive for.
Agree. Don't chase the trends. If they did that when they first built it we would have multi purpose dump. Don't do it now.
greed. KC has a dynasty on their hands, the least they can do is give the fans a modern renovation.
I'm from KC and I love it. Glad they didn't put a stupid dome over it.
I wouldn’t mind a dome 😅
@@thehallswayyhell no stop adding domes to stadiums
@@thehallswayyThe elements are part of home field advantage. And I don't know how that would effect the other piece of the arrowhead advantage. Sound.
Dome teams suck in the playoffs. The stats confirm that
Me too, football should be played outside in the weather.
Chiefs fan here. The additional parking makes sense for us because we like to tailgate and the entire lot is already full for every game as it is. So that will be nice to have. I do agree that the upper deck needs a facade as well so it's enclosed on the concourse. I was expecting that. Will be good to have bigger video boards and better sound system.
As a Chiefs fan I think it's perfect, I don't think Chiefs fans want an entertainment district because a large part of.our culture is having the best tailgating in the NFL
culture??? dude, its out of complete necessity..there is NOTHING to do before or after a game except walk 4 miles to get to your car. You can have the tailgating...give me somewhere to go before or after a game...go to St. Louis and see how its done correctly with Cardinal Nation...its awesome. KC you are way behind the times.
Being from KC and being part of many Cheifs fan groups on Facebook ive seen a lot of positive feedback on this. I think a lot of people that are "pissed" as it were, are probably folks who dont go to games. As far as the parking goes someone suggested maybe they plan to expand the parking so that the Royals can still use it on game days and just have dedicated shuttles bringing the fans from there to the new stadium.
Personally im a fan of the proposed changes. It will condense the parking so that you no longer have cars parked probably close to a mile away. I used to work at the stadiums and for Chiefs games you had to park in lot L which is one of the furthest lots from the stadium. So imagine parking there then having to walk into the stadium then walk up and down the stairs all game long as a vendor, then walking back. If that sounds bad imagine doing it in December or January when its near freezing at 3 PM.
Also this will allow them to maybe start building some infrastructure around the staidum to attract people. Currently there's no reason to go out there unless there's a game. Theres no bars, the lone restaurant is a taco bell. With this maybe they could turn the extra space into something if they so chose.
I hate that Kaufman is scheduled to be demolished. I like that stadium.
Keeping Arrowhead is fine, but the Kauffman needs to be replaced.
No, no it doesn’t. Kauffman is fine.
@@conservativeeducator5457 no it's not fine.
It's fine.
Baseball needs to be around something, like shops and restaurants. Football is fine out in nowhere vill its not a walk up sport. Baseball is more of a spur of the movement for a lot of fans.
From KC, all of my friends are happy with it. It addresses what real fans that go to the games want.
It's fine, but I'm happy the Royals are moving to a modern stadium in an urban area.
An urban area where they cannot even have a parade in peace. 😉
@@daviejz6698winky face was a little unnecessary. Every city that has a big gathering like that has crime.
As some one from KC, people aren't clamoring for change and are happy the way it is. Most people want to keep Kauffmann the way it is aswell
@@br8745 KC people do not like change. That is for sure.
The chiefs use all that parking and still don't have enough. There is no need or reason to develop the area around it. It's a huge stadium that needs 25,000 parking spaced that is used 20 times a year. The area around it is mostly highways and industry. It's like an area between the city and the suburbs. The nearby demographics won't support additional development.
I think it's fine, but the Royals needs to move downtown and build a modern stadium. I think the plans for both teams is a good fit.
I would counter the point about what the demographics will support by observing that Patriot Place, the shopping and restaurant addendum the Krafts grafted onto Gilette years _after_ the stadium went up, is even more remote from solid demographics than the Truman Sports Complex. Something like that, at the juncture of two interstates and within city limits, could be made to work, even beyond the 20 dates per year. But I am unsure whether the fiscally risk averse Hunts would take the same leap of faith the Krafts did. I think the points you raised deterred them more completely than the remoteness of Foxboro did the Krafts.
Note also that, like Arrowhead, the Patriots training facility got sited within the Foxboro parking desert. (The MLS team facility followed later.) So, Gillette/Patriot Place/training facility would seem like something that should be examined more closely in figuring out what to do with the TSC parking desert. Building a structure or two would keep the number of parking spaces at 25,000+ and open portions of the desert to development. (Not all lots because...tailgating!) Non-tailgaters could utilize the structures and the restaurants would give people a place to divert to until post-game traffic subsided.
@@johnmaster3748 Foxboro is an exurb between Boston and Providence with little retail. It's a perfect fit for an outlet mall.
The truman sports complex is in an industrial area between the city and the suburbs. If you drive ten minutes east, you have plenty of shopping, movie theaters etc, in Independence, Lee's Summit, Blue Springs etc. so there would be no demand for such a thing at the stadiums.
The KC market is already over saturated with retail centers and most have high vacancies.
And throwing an outlet mall onto the side of the stadium would be a terrible idea for the Royals. There is a big difference between an urban ballpark and an stadium with a strip mall thrown next to it.
Face it, the Chiefs need lots of parking and the location is fine for them. It's never really going to develop. If that area develops at all, it would be into warehouse parks.
I just hope renovating vs building a new stadium works. I'm not totally sold on this renovation.
The Royals need to move though.
Do you not know what the Chiefs fans do? Uhhh they tailgate….A LOT AND FOR A WHILE!!! This makes so much sense for them.
As a chiefs fan who lives in KC, we’re cool with this (at least the people I know). We’re actually pissed about the Royals stadium potentially moving downtown. It’s going to wipe out the crossroads district. All the business owners in that area are 100% against it.
Omgosh yes. Exactly this!!
More parking = more tailgating. Get a freaking clue DG
Prob the same person that complains about gas prices being so expensive
I take it that he has never been tailgating.
@@j.r.bladorn4120 but it's perfectly safe to light up BBQs in a parking structure, right?
You can say a lot about Detroit, good or bad, but they got the stadium thing right. Everything is right smack in the center of downtown for all four major sports teams without the parking lot desert a lot of stadiums have. Tailgating is still huge but it’s in an area a short walking distance from the stadium but also is used during the week for regular business parking.
Has this guy ever been to a Chiefs game????
Love the idea actually.
The stadium itself looks great as is.
It's one of the loudest in the league.
Yeah, they don't need more parking lots.
But why change an already good thing?
Stadium just needs some modernization.
Also, the whole ballpark village thing was addressed in the press conference. The royals are doing the same thing but downtown and it will be silly to attempt to compete with that.
Clark said $800 million price tag for these renovations. Gotta remember that they're pretty much gutting the entire thing and putting in new suites/restrooms/concessions.
If your car is that much that's f****** ridiculous
They have to make those renovations to meet FIFA World Cup standards. It was a condition for KC to host some games for World Cup 2026.
@@alanchristie368 no, these renovations don't happen till after the world cup.
They can pay for ALL OF IT. Owners are worth north of 4 billion..
@@scotttild If only that's how it worked, especially in a smaller market like kc.
I love this renovation because it doesn't reduce capacity and tailgaiting parking spaces. Enhancing existing spaces will make the experience more comfortable for existing fans.
Just build something similar to Patriot Place or American Dream where Kauffman Stadium is. Parking lot desserts are great for tailgating. Garages create horrible congestion.
Yall clearly didn't watch it. They said they didn't want to put shopping district and hotels, bcse they don't want to compete with downtown amenities for ONE day on Sunday. They know if football isn't being played, they will not make money. If your from KC, you know why.
6:40 "they need enough parking for the Royals and the Chiefs." What a silly statement. The parking only needs to serve the larger of the two stadiums because the teams do not host big events on the same day. The Chiefs may need more parking, the Royals do not. There are football lots there the Royals don't even open. Arrowhead will host a Copa America match on Monday, July 1. Why Monday? It's a Royals off-day. It may be a parking desert, but that asphalt expanse was never intended for both stadiums to be in simultaneous use when full.
Can you imagine how big the parking lots would be if they tried to use both stadiums at the same time?
You and roofs lol
GREAT!!! Now my seats can cost....MORE!!!!!
The royals aren't going anywhere this is why this was an underwhelming presentation
there’s a rendering of the new downtown site for the Royals stadium and they will have a new deck park over the recessed highway that’s there now leading up to the stadium that looks cool
If the baseball stadium is demolished by 2029, they should probably remove some parking instead of adding more.
Remember that with garages, tailgating is not possible
Fun fact for you. The original plan was a moving dome that could be shifted between both stadiums. They rejected it back then because the price was considered to much at roughly 200mill then. This movable dome would have made it to where Kc could have hosted superbowls. Oh if they had the foresight back then
Ok, do not have a clue where you are from, but you have no clue. Screen grab a couple complaints and say that they are upset. Btw, anything that happens outside of the stadium area like bars and hotels is not up to the Chiefs. I am guessing you either live in Johnson County where you don't have to pay a penny to the tax let and that's if you are even here in kansas city. Downvoting this and blocking this channel for misinformation.
As long as Arrowhead stands with its open top and sea of red seats and fans to fill them, I'm okay with the changes.
And it's 800 million. You don't have to guess the information is out there! Do the work man.
He really doesn't do a lot of thorough research. That does get annoying.
The “parking lot desert” is one of the best aspects of arrowhead. The more space the better. The tailgate is very important to the arrowhead experience.
The fans need to be accommodating because Kansas has been trying to get the Chiefs for a while.
Chiefs will never move from arrowhead
@@ablepancakes3769they will if this vote doesn’t get passed
Okay I was worried there’d be a ton of negative comments, so I’m happy to see other people satisfied with this. This is exactly the kind of renovations that fit KC perfectly. Glad people aren’t being grouchy about this.
100 percent agree with you. And the comments that he's making in this video are absolutely stupid
Not really a renovation to the stadium itself, they're just planning to take over the entire Truman Sports Complex once the Royals move Downtown and they knock down Kauffman. We all knew that was coming, gotta do something with that massive parking lot.
Keep arrowhead as true to Lamar's dream as possible
That the problem we are to much traditional it needs to be upgraded to the 21st century everyone wants to be stuck in the 1990s for some reason
@@Dman_chiefen9690s? The stadium started being built in the 60s
They need to put hotels around the stadium.
I live close to the stadium so I’m happy that this area will be built up a bit more. But for the cost of this renovation and the outcome do not match at all. Would love a dome for arrowhead.
The parking for the Truman Sports Center was designed to handle the maximum cars for Arrowhead. The Royals and the Chiefs NEVER play at the complex at the same time. Taking parking spots away would be reducing parking for the Chiefs.
1985 world series game 7 chiefs played at noon and cardinals played at 7:30pm that was as full as the complex ever was
Sorry cardinals and royals played game 7 at 7:30 pm.
I agree with that one reply shown that a St Louis Cardinals Ballpark Village type entertainment hub would have been the best use of the Kaufman Stadium space
While the royals build the same thing downtown? How many new entertainment districts do you think KC can support?
Jackson Co. are you ready for all the new.... updated... concourses and bridges!?!! Upgraded wifi and more VIP areas!? Ready to pay for that for forty years, babeeeee!? Let's goooooooo!
Gonna look amazing on my television set.
It's 100% in the middle of nowhere so I would not go to it regularly even if they build some sort of entertainment district. Also, it would take away from the tailgating atmosphere.
Training facilities and staff need expanded.
Kansas City fans have nothing to be pissed off about, they just repeated as superbowl champs.
The new Taylor Swift stadium looks 🔥🔥🔥
You know what I’m pissed off about is that our OWNER CLARK HUNT got the lowest score from NFLPA for being the worst owner in the league. How embarrassing is that?
I like it. Arrowhead is an iconic stadium and they've kept the look of it. Its just being renovated and modernised from the inside.
Get a grip naysayers. It’s not a blank check to build Disneyland. This requires a 3/8-cent sales tax extension on the April ballot, which would help fund a new Royals ballpark and renovations at Arrowhead Stadium. If Jackson County voters, notoriously tough, approve the tax, both teams are committed to staying in Jackson County. Adding more challenges, Arrowhead is an island sandwiched between Independence and Raytown. It’s a Jackson County project. So the sensible plan is to present concepts voters will approve on the first ballot and not 2 to 4 years from now.
The stadium needs an exterior cladding, if only to protect the concrete from the weather. They should enclose the circular ramps at each corner as were with some stainless steel or aluminum. That will put an end to the 1970s aesthetic for good. The stadium is defined by its unique bowl and upper deck which creates perfect site lines and volume. They ought to think about creating a “popup” entertainment district with portable infrastructure open it up on Saturday nights and allow overnight parking for RVs and such. You would have local restaurants renting out stalls and setting up grills. It could be awesome.
You’re spot on… the last thing they need out there is more parking… but they could eliminate some of the super far out parking and put new parking at the demoed site of the baseball stadium.
How do you build up a “district around the stadium” for 8 home games a year. Nobody is going to this neighborhood if there isn’t a game going on. Baseball has like 80 home games a year… big difference between baseball and football..
At that point you’re better off just building a new stadium out by the racetrack on the KS side.
horse racing / casino would’ve been huge next to the stadium
all year round revenue, off track betting, in house betting, casino exploding in revenue.
shame, arrowhead is in the middle of nowhere 🤣
@@itsNRC already lots of casinos in Missouri. Also one by the racetrack. Doubt the existing neighborhood wants a casino or racetrack so close..
Also Legends has a real racetrack and casino and bars already.. plus hotels..
@@dacokc i was referring to your point in saying they should’ve just build a new stadium out by the racetrack on the KS side. Horse Racing & Casinos DWARF the money that these stadiums get simply for lack of games & bets lol.
Could’ve had year round revenue if a Football Stadium , Racetrack , Casino are built up right next to each other
More parking = more tailgating. Get a freaking clue
@@michaelbaucom4019 depends how you structure the parking like DG said in the video, a giant wasteland field of parking spaces? or more compact less hideous , parking garages ? It’s how you use the space, i believe a Racetrack/Casino combo in the vacant lot where kauffman is would generate YEAR ROUND revenue, as a pose to a MINIMUM 8 home games a year out of 12 months , 365 days a year relying on the one stadium to generate a years worth of revenue , in which case why wouldn’t you add to the area ?
If you are old enough to remember the old stadium, you will remember the following traffic horrible, parking in yards of homeowners, 5 dollars and they promised your car would still have hubcaps. Now 50+ years later it’s time to repeat that same disastrous location for a stadium. The reason Jackson County built the stadium at its current location was. 1 easy access, two major freeways. Multiple points of entry, very large parking lot. Very few residential properties near it. No one can built on the property. It’s worked so well they think that can fix it by repeating history. Once the new stadium is downtown and people try to get in/out they will curse the day that thought downtown was a good idea.
Decent upgrades but rather underwhelming.
Like you said, you can’t please everyone no matter what you do. It’s a low-stakes upgrade and making use of the newly available land. An entertainment district is probably pending more investors.
And please no on the chrome facade. That’s going to age so badly. Arrowhead has a classic look. Don’t mess with it.
Lol right. The chrome facade idea might be the dumbest suggestion iv heard.
A vote is also going to help the Royals get a new ballpark
So this guy isn't impressed. Okay, you don't have to come to the stadium. No one will miss you.
I would’ve made Kaufman into some sort of cool bar village
The proposed Arrowhead changes are fine!
Would have loved a village area with bars and such, but being that the surrounding area is a parking lot and that will not change bc of the history of rabid tailgating parties, no business in their right mind would set up shop in a village that's opened 1 day a week for only 8-9 (maybe more with playoffs) weeks in a year. The Activation zone area makes sense as it allows the popup events and business to come.
The other complication is the sports complex area is owned by the county, so the Hunt family is limited to what they can do in that area. Unlike the other upgrades inside the building for additional revenue, to build a facade upgrade cost money without a ROI. A hard ask since it most likely will request another sales tax increase in the city and/or county.
This is the sane opinion of the proposed upgrades. Well said.
No I completely agree with you and his comments in this video are so far off base that I literally will not subscribe to him
This guy gets his rocks off On Translucency
And roofs, lol
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
You can't tailgate in a parking garage. No need to build parking garages. But you are right, there's already too much parking there.
I'd like Arrowhead to be able to host a Super Bowl. Nothing wrong with the occasional open air, cold weather stadium.
As a Raider fan, LEAVE ARROWHEAD ALONE!! Upgrades yes, change the exterior and seating HELL NO
The exterior of the stadium looks fine! But a Bar complex would be great! Parking is important! Because we tailgate and the parking lot is almost always full!
Taylor Smith Gon Fund It What Did Ya'll Expect?
Saying they should build bars around it just proves you don’t know the area. It’s in the middle of nowhere and it will only be used 12 times a year max. No one is building a bar that will only be used 12 times a year
The only people "pissed", are those that want an unrealistic dome over the stadium. They are a vocal minority and do not represent the majority of Chiefs fans. The presser today did note that there are exterior renovations, including covered concourses on the club level and a full 360 concourse on the upper level. The comment about "doing parking garages" says how little you know about the tailgate experience. By increasing parking, you eliminate one of the major gripes from fans attending games; and that is the limit to your tailgating site in the lots. No KC fan wants a parking garage.
Regarding "building up the surrounding area", the TSC sits in an industrial area. In no way, shape or form does it make sense to create major commercial investments. Who is going to want to stay in a hotel overlooking Arrowhead and the MODOT salt barns? No one. Again, listening to the presser would probably have done you some good with a few of the ideas you presented.
On my way to Gates BBQ on 40 Hwy we passed by the Truman Sports Complex. It is exactly my thoughts, the entire complex is centered around the traditions passed from one Chiefs fan to the younger generations. Sitting out in the lot smoking some great bar-b-que before the game with 76,000 friends, making the short trek to the gates, getting in to sit in your seats, and finally screaming your head off to kill the opposing teams offense.
Is it snazzy or glitzy? No, that's what we have Power and Light, The Plaza, and Kauffman Center of Performing Arts for. It does what it is meant to do.
If the Royals are moving out, it makes no financial sense to build an "entertainment district" in a parking lot next to the stadium for at most 8-10 days a year. Maybe a microbrew or a restaurant for the non-tailgaters.
Do what the Hurricanes are doing in the NHL. They are now doing underground 3-story decks so they can replace surface parking with restaurants, bars, etc
the citizens of kansas city missouri voted no to a small tax increase that would help renovations for arrowhead stadium. the news said the residents there didn't even know what they were voting for. so if they vote no again they may vacate arrowhead by 2030.
We are pissed about the owner of the Royals, John Burnham, demanding we pay taxes to give him a new stadium downtown, where an art district, The Crossroads, will be torn down. He is deceptively claiming that the Royals' stadium is crumbling and can't be renovated. Burns and McDonnell came out in 2021 saying that the stadium was fine, rated at least a B+. As usual, they are claiming that the downtown stadium will revitalize the city but the area around the Truman Complex is actually utterly a blight, nothing there. It is disgusting that they want us on the hook until 2064 for this new stadium downtown and the Chiefs' new party area in the parking lot. They need to go back to the drawing board because the tickets, parking and concessions are too expensive for the average people here and yet they want us to pay for this?
I like it! Keeps them in Missouri! It’s good!
Bills fan here. Im glad New York has funds to just build a new stadium. I don't like the idea of renovating a 1970s stadium.
What fans is he talking about? I live in Kansas City and nobody is upset
Hell, even Lambeau has stuff to do around the stadium. I'm in agreement, the Chiefs shouldn't geta roof to the stadium, but they can have an over hang kind of like what the Bengals have. That pedestrian bridge over that road is kind of cool I guess. But with that said if they build a couple of parking garages to condense the parking some, they could put a bar or restaurant on the ground level. Hell, even Jacksonville has a few parking garages with an attached restaurant that serves beer. And speaking of Jacksonville, at least the Jags are planning on putting stuff around the stadium that people could actually potentially enjoy. But then again, there is a minor league baseball stadium and an arena near the Jags stadium. My guess is that the Jags were considering the entertainment value of the people going to baseball stadium stadium or arena.
They have 10 or so home games a year including playoffs - what would be the point of bars in the parking lot? It’s a shitty area and no one will go there outside of game day
Exactly. So many times I’ve seen empty places, where nobody ever goes that are all built up with a ton of money spent on them & you could tell it was a dumb idea before it was even started. That’s exactly what putting a bunch of bars & restaurants in an area no one gives to, except for 8-10 days a year sounds like🤣
If people want all that kind of stuff, then they need to build the new Arrowhead downtown, where it can reasonably support itself during the off-season. Of course, no one wants that. Why, I’m not sure. I wonder if they even know themselves, really.
They aren’t thinking big picture, there’s more money to be made if they realized they could be putting on concerts and other events/venues during the off season if they added a retractable roof! They should be adding more seats expanding it for more seats, all of this would also make this stadium louder. They need to knock this outta the park, so they also host a Super Bowl and rake in millions as well, they are missing the bigger picture!
So while the royals move into town and build a stadium with minimal parking the chiefs said “we will demolish that old stadium for more parking and nothing else!” What a waste of land.
Kansas have no interest in the new stadium.
Not to mention in few years from now KC will face the situation who will replace the head coach and their best players?
Could this have something in part with the bad reviews given to Clark Hunt by the Players Union?
No this was already a planned announcement long in advance because the county is about to vote on a 3/8th tax the first week of April.
Looks great, hopefully the voters pass it
Another factor why they're doing the renovation is because Arrowhead Stadium is one of the stadiums that will be used for the upcoming World Cup in 2026.
Looks not a big deal outside but inside is a must
I’m from Kansas City time to build a new arrowhead asap.
Better get it fixed up for the World Cup!
Mr. Ginger are they going to rename stadium Swift Field?
No hotels, no bars, no restaurants, no retractable roof? WTF !!!
Total missed opportunity!
#KeepKCcorny #laughingstock
Keep the stadium the same just make it look like Patriots Place in Foxborough on the outside shopping, hotels and a small hospital/clinic
Greedy owners . I couldn’t imagine being worth billions and making hundreds of millions a season off fans and literally doing nothing for them
It's insane the amount of people defending the new renovations. Supporting a new parking lot because "tailgating is part of arrowhead"? Like you can't already do that with the 15+ parking lots that already exist? God forbid the city & county actually invest in redeveloping the surrounding area so people would want to go there outside of the 60 days of the year that the stadium is actually in use.
They didn't do enough with the new scoreboards. They should have gone with much larger rectangular-shaped scoreboards.
SAD PART ABOUT THE TAX TO UPGRADE IS THAT IT WILL UPGRADE PREMIUM PARTS (VIP) AREAS MORE THAN ANYTHING AND THOSE TAXPAYERS ARE PROBABLY NOT A MAJORITY OF THE VIP AREAS.
For the wealthy it is a total scam.
Nothing like the DeathStar OLV Baby
Arrowhead is in a scuzzy part of town so that's probably why they aren't trying to build up bars and restaurants around there
Could we build a dome start at the fence around the stadium over the full stadium.
How bout those…..
CHEIFS!
I love our stadium. It’s intimate, open to the elements (which makes the games more fun, in my opinion), and it holds a lot of history (we even set a world record here. ❤❤❤
I agree with a lot of the other comments about accessibility and flow, but the bones are good.
3:30 😂 really Himmy Neutron that thing from that movie.
i would at least go with larger scoreboards, and another suite towner on the other sideline. but personally i would just build a new super stadium on the sire of kauffman stadium, then build up the property. do the chiefs have their practice facility on site or somewhere else, because if not i would move it there as well. i would also add solar pannel covers ontop of parking spaces like at the linc.
Still not planning to enclose the spiral ramps!