Should Celebs Stay Out Of Politics & Will Tories Take Over Reality TV?
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- čas přidán 28. 07. 2024
- In an act of disastrous political timing, Jill Biden has appeared on the front cover of US Vogue. Does this tin-eared response to her husband’s catastrophic debate performance spell the end to Hollywood’s elite support for the Democrats?
Who the hell is Glen Powell and why is he always on my screen? Richard and Marina give us a bluffers guide to the biggest celebrities in the world right now - and explain why you probably don’t know who Sabrina Carpenter is.
And finally, as Thursday’s General Election brought forth a Tory Wipeout - Richard tells us which former MPs would be best at a Bushtucker Trial on I'm A Celebrity or a stint on the first ever Celebrity Traitors.
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00:00 Intro
01:53 Jill Biden’s Vogue cover
07:50 Hollywood’s wavering support for Joe Biden
23:03 A bluffers guide to new superstars in music, movies, tv and books
23:56 What’s catapulted Sabrina Carpenter to stardom
28:07 Who is Glen Powell?
32:10 The secret to Sydney Sweeney’s success
34:14 Freida McFadden’s books soaring
39:00 Which deposed Tories will appear on reality TV?
54:27 Marina and Richard’s recommendations for this week
57:04 Outro - Zábava
Judging by the wait lists at my local library, the biggest "new" author might be Richard Osman.
Same here at Toronto Public Library.
Don't blame the celebrities. Blame the so-called journalists who chase after them to insist that they must have an opinion so they have something to write about.
Yep. Journalists are the scummiest of people on the planet.
I think the ethics of this issue change depending on perspective. Do you look at celebrities as individuals or as a group?
If somebody has the power to improve a situation and maybe even save lives by sharing their opinions (e.g. raising awareness of the climate catastrophe), then they have a moral obligation to do so. With great power comes great responsibility.
However, celebrities sharing their opinions increases the divide between people. Movies used to be about people enjoying the same thing, now half the population complains all the time about "woke Hollywood" and movies have become a divider instead of a uniter, which is problematic in our divided times.
Therefore, as individuals, it's their obligation to speak up if they see injustice and danger, as a group they should shut up.
@@GothamClive But, do the celebrities choose to speak out, or are they badgered into expressing spur-of-the-moment thoughts? One could start by looking at the attitude of journalists in their published work in politics ... "refused to confirm" and "refused to deny" appear too often, as if the journalists believe they have a right to interrogate and expect answers from whoever they like.
@@djtwo2 Most of the political statements by celebrities are made on Twitter. You read far more often that journalists write about a Twitter post and the reactions than them asking political questions.
Been stockpiling for my Friday night in. My favourite podcast but I’m going to watch them with some Bombay Sapphire and will take a drink every time we hear *By and large *deep dive *top 3 the wrong way *Thursday murder club *question’s edition *Marina forgetting to introduce herself *Air BnB *it’s a knock out
I’m hoping to make a bingo card drinking game. 😂
These two are just so lovable. Thank you to all that make this great show. ❤
Matt Hancocks Half Hour
Celebrities have as much right as anyone else to talk politics. It may alter how they are perceived so for their own image reasons they want to keep quiet not to alienate people, but if they are happy with the consequences on their career then a celebrity shouldn't be told to keep quiet and stick to their day job, they have every right to express themself.
I think what Richard is talking about is celebrities who have a sense of self-importance great enough to use their public platform to prothletise, especially uninvited.
@@daruddock all twitter political posts are uninvited and posted with the self important belief that the world needs to hear. But no one is telling non-celebrities to keep out, no one is telling librarians or nurses to keep their political views to themselves and get on with cataloguing books and treating patients. Why is it ok to say that to actors/footballers/singers? They have just as much right as anyone else to express their beliefs without facing pushback based only on their profession. Dissuading any group out of public discourse is wrong, I don’t often disagree with Richard, but I do here.
They have the same right to express themselves, but they have much greater means to exercise that right. People listen to them when there is no reason to do so. They have no greater insight into political issues than the guy down the pub that's always ranting about politics. Quite rightly, nobody listens to that guy, but people do listen to celebrities.
Well said
@@thomasdalton1508I completely agree with every word you wrote. Their celebrity doesn’t give them insight, it does give them a loud voice. But if they want to emulate the bore at the pub they are within their rights to do so. I think it would have limited impact and probably just increase the esteem in people who already support what they say and alienate fans that disagree. Not likely to win them more fans for their day job, but turn some away so a net negative to them. But they have a right to express themselves.
I absolutely love the word defenestration!
hi Richard, do you remember singing it's not unusual at the end of year show at haywards heath college 35 years ago?
If MP's can have their own TV shows, then Gary Lineker should be able to do a party political broadcast during Match of the Day.
"There were a few counts on channel 4 I can tell you that"
I didn't even know Vogue still exists. And I doubt if anyone who matters cares at all.
The reason I avoided election coverage (and news generally for several years) is that I value my mental health. The country has been in such awful hands since the 2016 debacle. They have done such terrible things and there seemed no way of stopping them. This past week I’ve started re-engaging with news media, riding on the wave of normal.
Come on, the breakout star of the General Election has to be Count Binface!
He has bin around for years
I, 100% believed Jill Biden had released a cover version of ‘Vogue’
Very uncomfortable few minutes for me.
Sabrina carpenter aunt does the voice of Bart Simpson
Just going to throw it out there, I need a season of Celebrity Traitors with both Richard and Marina in it where they are the traitors working together. And I think I probably want just them as the traitors.
I suspect the reason the Reagan people were concerned is because he was living with dementia, and they didn’t want anyone to see any signs of it. He was well more advanced with dementia than anyone realized.
Jelly beans! They used to give him jelly beans to chew, so it looked like he was joining in a discussion and keep him calm for the footage 😂. Possibly made up for 30 Rock purposes...
I was saying after watching Bercow on US traitors, that a full politician lineup would be interesting.
Could not disagree more re celebrities giving political opinions. They have just as much right as everyone else to air their views, and I think you vastly underestimate how influential these opinions can be for certain people.
I'm going to call it right now, Jacob Rees Mogg in the jungle, Liz Truss in Celebrity Big Brother and Penny Mordant will get a show on GB News.
Three shows I will never watch so I'm fine with that as I can easily avoid them all of them.
I can see Mogg doing some kind of documentary show, a bit like Portillo's travel show he did/does but about something other than travel. Mogg doesn't have the personality for a travel show.
Truss will go to the US. She will want the big dollars and the MAGA crowd. Mogg will want to do some kind of documentary. I just hope the Beeb tell him to eff off. He's spent a life time attacking them. He doesn't deserve the right to think BBC4 will give him 6 hours on whatever he wants. As for Penny, that's fairly obvious - given how she loves to say stand up and fight in every speech she gives = inner city Sumo.
I bet there'll be bets on Lizzy in CBB if that's the case. Lots of lettuce or cabbage jokes!
Tell us more about the rubber chicken circuit!
Twister lolly was made on Jim'll fix it. Oh dear 😈😩
When Richard says "he's playing a baddie" should I try to forget that if I go to see the movie?
Saying celebrities shouldn't get involved with politics is crazy. So many people would love to think they don't live in a world where politics matters. But will be the first to complain about rising prices and too many foreigners.
I say flood all areas of life with accepting that local and national politics is inescapable for everyone and creating safe spaces where we don't have to talk about life's problems is the kind of childish behavior that brought the UK to its current place.
So is Richard saying that Steve Coogan campaigning for the Green Party in Brighton was a waste of time?
Yeah it depends on the ‘celebrity’. Just because you are a well known entertainer doesn’t need mean you can’t have an active role in the political process. I don’t think it’s the case to say people don’t care what celebs say and in the right circumstances it could actually lead to someone’s political awakening. Main thing is that it needs to be genuine and not about self promotion
I think you might have answered your own question by clarifying that Coogan was campaigning and not just sharing his opinion.
He's a little inconsistent here. He was whistling a completely different tune when it was about Taylor Swift.
@@GothamCliveTaylor Swift isn't quite the same, she is encouraging her fans to vote, she isn't saying they should vote for X, Y, or Z.
@@markhopkins318 In an episode a few weeks ago he explained how Taylor could sway the election.
I have a question....💭🤔........
But first can I say I love this podcast thank you for lifting the curtain on soo many different areas of entertainment, its so interesting to me and I'm sure many others 🙏
My question is:
Why dont more broadcast shows appear on CZcams, outside of the region they are contractually obliged?
(I'm generally talking about quiz shows, but a wider viewpoint would be appreciated)
I've always loved watching ROHOG, and when I left the UK to live abroad, I was so happy to see the Mundo CZcams channel (which I assume is Richard's production company) showing all the episodes, all be it later than originally aired, but I'm happy to be late to the game as a consequence of living away.
Why don't more productions follow suit? The big money must be in primetime TV, but there is still revenue to be made outside of that and after the airing 🤔💭
Are traditional TV shows still soo...stuck in a legacy idea of scheduled TV contracts, and revenue streams? Even now? 🤔💭🙏
Well that’s my Discovery+ membership cancelled.
When we got our first telly (b and w) I saw President Kennedy appear in an episode of "I Love Lucy". (Lucy got stuck in Kennedy's chair during a guided tou of the White House.)
I don't think you did. czcams.com/video/xkBVkhBgi2w/video.html
No you did not see him. You heard an actor doing an impression of him off-screen.
And it wasn't even on "I Love Lucy," it was "The Lucy Show."
Quite the false memory you got there.
The show aired in the 60s! The criticism is a tiny bit harsh, no? Close enough
@@thebagelsproductions It's COMPLETELY wrong though. He tried to say a sitting president appeared on an American sitcom in the early 60s, and that NEVER happened.
@sergeybrin6701 I see what you mean. Maybe they were just a kid at the time, and the show really had them fooled.
"The four different areas of entertainment"? What about public tap-dancing, theatre, opera, whistling tunelessly, tv, podcasts, zoos, mid-afternoon snoozing?
... not to mention necromancy, pyromancy, a little bit of what ya fancy.
Chappell Roan is going to be a megastar. It's been a surprisingly organic and traditional road to success in some ways, gaining traction from a great live show. Good Luck Babe is climbing up the charts at the moment, and is probably the best pop song of the past few years.
Got it taped showing your age Richard 🤣
Lol I think about that every time I say I have anything “on tape.” I think it’ll stay in the lexicon a while, like CC/BCC, until it becomes a thing that no one knows what it means and they think it’s just a sound that means a thing. Linguistic anthropology is fascinating until you get old haha
Sowing his humour, I think is more accurate there.
Q: Back in the day, actors and artists had to change their name away from anything obviously ethnic in order to gain acceptance. Is that still a thing?
Ed Davey seems like a buffoon. If they ever bring back Total Wipeout sign him up.
Lol, so voicing political opinions to the masses should only be the domain of ''mainstream media journalists''.... Got it
“It’s about hurricanes” 😂 Not too many landlocked hurricanes, Marina. We tend to call those “tornadoes” 💙
I was really interested to hear about the 'real' John Bercow. In The Traitors he does come across as a gentle, inoffensive, old man.
I would like more talk about world snooker
The Jill Biden cover is a huge mistake, at absolutely the wrong time. And it let all the critics mock it. The New York Post ran a front cover with a photoshopped version, entitled ‘Vague’ (And Marina, best use of one of my favourite words, - ‘Askance’ !)
They have to replace this decent man, who is far too old to run America for the next four years, with someone like Gavin Newsom, (or wouldn’t this be wonderful - Pete Buttigieg - highly unlikely but hopefully by 2032.)
The simple fact that his opponent, had never previously served in government, never been in the military and never been elected to any office before, (oh and is a malevolent narcissistic sociopath) is a bit of a worry.
Having been a bit of a UK nerd on American politics since Watergate and media nerd, to hear you guys talk about the influence of Hollywood and the American political scene was fascinating. The whole Taylor Swift, bless her, endorsement débâcle was ridiculous.
Another great podcast and if you’re both free for my imaginary 10 people I’d like to spend a dinner party with, you’re more than welcome to join it!
And on that point, as a potential question for the Q and A, who would you invite to your imaginary media dinner party (living or dead) and why?
Who else makes up the 10 for your imaginary party?
@@thebagelsproductions A tough one, but we would have to include Frank Capra, average Hitchcock, Kubrick, Spielberg, William Goldman, Billy Wilder,
Oops pressed reply by accident, …Alfred Hitchcock, and Scorsese. Let Richard and Marina be the hosts and I would ask the odd question - like the Hollywood Reporter roundtable videos! What would yours be?
@stephenbarrette610 that's a tough one! But characters who were around Hollywood for a long time seem like a good choice, like so many of yours. Orson Welles, Cary Grant, maybe some of the 70s auteur cinema guys - William Friedkin, Sydney Lummet. It's probably a good idea to have some talented women in there too to mix it up. Meryl Streep, Carrie Fischer? Kinda running out of ideas
@@thebagelsproductions Thanks for your reply! I forgot Orsen Welles. I was in my teens at the start of the 70’s and it was one of the best periods of cinema. I agree with your choices and my choice of men only was a reflection of the industry over the years. My female only dinner would include Katharine Hepburn, Ginger Rogers, Audrey Hepburn, Lauren Bacall, Carrie Fisher, Judi Dench, Diane Keaton, Julie Andrews, Meryl Streep Jane Fonda, Vivian Lee, Judy Garland, well just so many brilliant actors to choose from. And now finally we have so many fine female writers and directors for a third roundtable!
Great episode, plus gushing over Marinas blouse! Love it.
LoLo next breakthrough....
After Sabrina, Chappel Roan has had the biggest breakthrough year in music
That's not how you pronounce "analogous".
I think there are two problems with "celebs" giving an opinion on X etc - One, they are trying to use the size of their platform. Two, they completely forget the size of their platform. For instance, I once did a tweet (as it was) supporting something AF Neil said. Neil then misread what I wrote and ploughed into me. Now, this shouldn't matter, except he has a huge following. For a week, I had thousands of his supporters attacking me. It wasn't nice. I think in that case, he reacted instinctively (I think it wasn't planned because he had obviously misread the post), and forgot that he has thousands of attack dogs waiting to join in.
When it comes to opinions, politicians hoping for celeb endorsements isn't new. Think of JFK and Monroe. But it has changed. And perhaps they haven't realised it has changed. Richard is right, and celebs probably make little or no difference to how people vote (that argument has also been levelled at newspaper endorsements too). But that is NOW. Years ago, when social media was the letters page in a magazine, it could make a difference, simply because it was much rarer.
There is an old adage about some people voting for candidate X because "they have nice teeth." There is truth behind the silliness. People are attracted to candidates who tick boxes beyond politics; people who would be a nice person to have around to dinner. If the politician attaches themselves to a celeb you would like to have around to dinner, then that helps. But not if absolutely everyone is doing it too.
We are now swamped with thousands of well-known faces and voices having an opinion, and the effect has simply worn itself out.
There is another side to this, however, which may have some influence. A person who is thinking of voting for X anyway, might have their support strengthened by either being endorsed by the right person, or behaving like that person who you would like to have around to dinner. I think Ed Davey pulled this off beautifully. Most politicians are actually quite nice people away from the camera. You get a few absolute idiots, but it is not common. Davey and his team went to great lengths to show off his personable side (which is quite genuine). It might have gained the LibDems a few votes, I suppose, but mostly, it persuaded people who were leaning that way anyway to go for it. Not a bad strategy at all.
Can we not just have the entire Tory party leadership contest played out in the form of The Traitors? Btw, completely disagree on your take of the Australian version; imho, it's the best of the lot while the US is the worst.
In terms of the ex Tories doing shows, I'd like to see the following:
Grant Schnapps - MasterChef
Michael Green - Taskmaster
Sebastian Fox - The Chase
I think the entertainment industry can have a strong impact over politics (especially if you include sports stars) but crucially only to mobilise not to influence
I don’t think there are many people who will change their political opinion because of something Taylor Swift says but I bet their are plenty who are apathetic to who wouldn’t have voted who might end up down the polling station because she stressed how important it is
It’s why I think Mbappe speech was so effective. I doubt he convinced any far right voters but he stressed how important the vote was and I recon that contributed to the high turnout out
Buh-buh-buh... Gary Barlow votes tory...
I don't know what to think now......
I do care what a celebrity thinks about politics when it comes knowing I can like them, because they aren’t MAGA. I’ve never been persuaded by a celebrity’s opinion, though.
It's good that they're saying celebs must stick to their jobs and stay out of politics, because I see no end on Instagram of some dipshits insisting celebs speak out about wars, politicians, businesses, and climate change when all they want to do is promote their charities, shows, and music
It's like someone else here just said. It's not really the fault of the celebrities, it's mainly the fault of the journalists, social media 'stars', influencers and so on that chase after them looking for a comment or whatever.
Either what they say doesn't matter, then who cares, or they are able to influence people, then they have an obligation to speak up. If a person speaking up can improve the world, they have to.
The Bidens currently doing their best to get Trumpy elected again. Annoying and depressing in equal measure !
Marina quoting Jill doesn't give the full effect of her patronising teacher tone, it was toe curling!
I agree with Marina. Glen Powell wants this - this being movie stardom - more than anything. He’s a big old to be the young hot thing at 35 though.
George Clooney has a right to speak. He's been a huge doner and political activist for years. He knows what he's talking about and is as well-versed as more than most. Good on him for using his fame and fortune to try and better his country/the world, rather than just buying a yacht. Unfortunately, too many people in the media see themselves as gatekeepers. Sure, not every celebrity has the same political literacy, but we don't get to pick and choose who speaks. Richard and Marina are wrong on this one, and looking at the comments a lot of folk think so too.
Disagree, multi millionaire telling you how to vote whilst living a champagne jet set lifestyle…Typical champagne socialist…
Multi millionaires interests arent the publics best interest. If a ton of rich people like a politician its pretty sus to me. Will they introduce some weird tax trick or so?
Sydney Sweeney is a goddess!
Hang on at 42:30 you suggest Strictly Come Dancing is loved by tories? I doubt that, considering how openly liberal, pro LGBT Strictly is. I always felt it a more liberal show.
It is true - there was research on this which Richard and Marina covered in an earlier edition of this podcast: czcams.com/video/Eh_ByqfG2R4/video.html
I have no issue with celebrities expressing their opinions on any matter they wish to. The problem comes when they arrogantly deem themselves qualified to preach to the rest of us that we must share those opinions, when their views have been formed within an echo chamber of rich privilege where only those opinions exist.
Richards point about celebrities and politics is simply untrue. Ariana Grande tweeted about the Palestinian child releif fund, and they got £40,000 of donations within a day.
I'd say that's a bit different. It's more charity than politics. Because she's giving huge publicity to a specific cause and organization. She's not just endorsing one of the two major political parties. And even though it's within a highly controversial context, most everyone can agree that it's a noble aim to support children in war-zones.
I agree with the above comment. That would be more about promoting a charity than anything outright political.
Somehow disappointed that Richard’s wife has a role in the movie. Nepo wife. I feel let down with Richard’s integrity or something. Probably very unfair of me
Yep, I don't buy that he didn't have a hand in getting her the role. The nepotism bothers me - but I'm also a realist and know that this goes on all the time in the industry - the main thing that bothers me is Richard pretends he didn't have a hand in making it happen! Just own it. Ingrid is a good actor, and funny, she'd have a good chance of getting in on merit, BUT she's obv front of the queue because her husband wrote the damn thing. I like the channel, however I get fed up with how disingenuous they can both be.
@@goneonholidaybymistake84 I agree completely
Richard seems to have forgotten how powerful Taylor Swift is.
Pretty tone deaf conversation, celebrities or artists whatever you want to call them are also a part of society. They’re allowed to say what they believe to be right. I imagine most people wouldn’t be swayed to vote based off what a cleaner says but they have the right to say it
James Corden should bring back Jim'll fix it. This would improve his reputation and further bury the original version. (I'll grant you his might not be one of my better ideas.)
Find them both quite hypocritical when it comes to the "stay in your lane and don't get political" message
You're getting as sloppy in your pronunciation as Marina Jekyll. You said Clean Hoover instead of Colleen Hoover. Frieda McFadden came out as Freedom Fathom.
Please no more politics.
If the sun wot won it and ms swift can say things. Can’t one source influence?
I tend to think that if Taylor Swift supported Biden in the upcoming election, her opinion would hold sway. She is separate from the celebrities you mention.
I will make a point of not watching any show that gives any of the current Tories a job.
MPs have been happy enough to stick their nose into other people's business and have a often badly informed view, so we all have a right to comment whether that's always wise or well done is another matter.
But again, I will boycott anything that gives the likes of Rees Mogg or any of them a jolly.
I would never watch 'I'm a Celebrity..' anyway because its gross and tacky , but putting the likes of Hancock and Farage on it confirms my decision. I will never ever give it a go.
omg..sky..u sold yr souls!!!!
Did you think they were a charity?
Has anyone ever come up with an answer to the question of why Marina can't hold a conversation with Richard without glancing over to her left every two seconds? It is SO annoying.
Celebs should stick to doing what they are paid for that's entertaining and if they can't do that then go get at a job at B&Q 🧐
No one cares about celeb opinions… except Taylor Swift right? Trump is petrified of her influence over young people.
This podcast has been plodding & boring these past couple of weeks.