LANGUAGE LESSONS FOR A LIVING EDUCATION 5 FLIP THRU compared w/ Logic of English, CC Essentials, etc
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- Masterbooks Language Lessons for a Living education vs Logic of English vs Classical Conversations Essentials curriculum comparison ..... How to choose the best language arts curriculum for a VERY ACTIVE child? Which language arts curriculum should you even consider? In this video, I'll tell you know why some homeschool curriculums did not work for my ADHD child. You will also see inside the Masterbooks Language Lessons for a Living Education 5 curriculum and do a lesson with us! Choosing your 5th grade language arts curriculum may require some comparison, so let this Christian homeschool mom show you the ropes!
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"Can't always be a fun mom, sometimes we just need to get the work done" I'm so glad to hear someone else say this! 😂
😂😂😂you’re not alone!!! 😜
I hear ya. By the 10th time we’ve gotten up from the table/lesson, I’m just like that!!
Thank you so much for this video. It’s exactly what I need
Glad it was helpful! 😀
ADHD help is really so appreciated. I watch all these other mums whose kids get through lessons and retain stuff and I get a bit worried... thank you for helping.
Looking at the different texts/programs was very helpful, and I LOVE your video style. Beautifully done.
Thank you so much!!!
I am a new homeschooling mama so I don't have any prior curriculums to go by but we are loving The good & the beautiful LA 1 & 5! Thanks for another great video!
DayToDayMom I’ve looked at TGAB also!! It does look fun!! I might have to look more into it next year! It has art also, right?
So great!! TY for sharing! This! is 1 of the many reasons we love homeschooling.. & really I love that you're so dedicated to finding what works for your child. (=
Hi! May seem silly but that pour-over coffee won my subscribe! 😂 Thank you for sharing! I have ADHD combined type and I feel one of my girls may have it as well but hyperactive type. I am doing my best to work with her needs and interests, but am always looking for insight from other homeschool families! So glad I found your channel. 💖
I'm sorry I missed this earlier! LOL!!! Coffee, coffee, coffee......I'm glad you enjoyed the pour-over! ADHD can be difficult for mom more than anything. But it helps to be aware. Once I found out, my compassion for my daughter grew, as well as my patience with her. We did try coffee with her. I heard that since its a stimulant, it can help the focus. She didn't like it.....but since you're a coffee drinker...maybe try a few sips for her! ;) High protein diets and keeping her away from red food dye. I've seen that, that can greatly affect concentration. Just a couple things I've learned. ;)
I cut the bindings off Masterbooks too. This year Staples said they could not bind the whole book together (too thick) but they could make two books instead of the one. So I had them split the book into semesters! I love it! The book isn't so thick and in my head I know we "should" be done with the first book by Christmas. Then the kids get a "new" book in January!
We focused on the CC English Grammar memory work (my daughter had it all down) and I have been AMAZED how nicely Language Lessons matches up to the CC grammar memory work. It has definitely given her an advantage in Language Lessons.There is no sentence diagraming in Language Lessons. I've thought about adding it in at some point as well.
Elaine A I definitely feel like CC gives a good foundAtion for grammar. Thanks for letting me know there’s no diagramming in LLFLE. I figured there wasn’t.
Two books sounds intriguing. Easier to travel with also!
I’m thinking of doing an “CC Essentials” day with my 5th and 8th grader together just to review all the grammar and diagramming once a week.
Aww your daughter is adorable and so well-spoken! 💖🙌
Coffee-Powered Home awe!! Thank you so much! We did classical conversations for 4 years and every community day the kids do mini presentations in front of their class to help alleviate the public speaking fears. I think that helped!
@@OurHOMEschoolPlan That's such a great idea! I'll have to find ways to do that at least with family for now. 💖
Coffee-Powered Home if you know other homeschoolers, or have grandparents near by....we’ve invited my parents over several times for them to practice their presentations. And I’ve thought about incorporating it with other homeschoolers if we get together this year. Like make a presentation for some project you’re worked on. It’s so great for them to also be able to show off what they’ve done!! 😉
Thank you for this video! My oldest daughter has ADHD and I am currently looking for a language arts program! She works faster if I sit with her but if I leave to help my younger daughter She starts getting up or drawing and will take a long time to finish. Therefore I believe she needs something that is not overwhelming and short daily lessons.
That is exactly how my daughter was also. So this might work for you too!!! It’s very manageable!
Finishing up 1st year here :) With my 4 kids I have used Masterbooks LA, BJU English and Spelling, and Spelling You See. Next year I’ll be trying IEW SSS and Fix It, as well as MB LA. 3 kids with ADHD here :)
IEW and Fixit are very good also!! Fix it is very short snd to the point!!
My 5 year old son is also showing those signs like your middle one. I so related that. The EVERYTHING HAS TO BE FUN BIT was my whole life lol
It keeps Mama on her toes, right??? 😉 Maybe it will keep us young!! I’m the youngest child in my family, so I’ve already had practice being the fun aunt. Now my daughter won’t let me give it up!! 😜😉😉
Just found your channel! I love your videos! You add some needed humor to the day. :) Yes! ADHD and CC essentials....not good. I had planned to do Essentials with my daughter but when the time came, I knew it would be a DISASTER. We started using Language Lessons for a Living Education last year (level 3) and she is doing level 4 this year. I LOVE it. It is so easy to supplement if needed (I do supplement day 1 and the spelling). I supplement day 1 with Brave Writer arrow guide and then I pull in more challenging spelling words from spelling power. We also use her Brave Writer book for the copywork on Day 4 because she says the Bible book is for babies. I don't mind because we begin our day by reading the Bible together. My younger daughter is using Logic of English Foundations and I also LOVE that. I suspect dyslexia with her and it has done wonders for her. She LOVES all the active games and I just roll with it. haha. I plan to move her to LLFLE after she finishes LOE Foundations. LOE Essentials looks like waaaaay too much. Not even going to attempt that. I need simple and to the point!
PS: Our daughters (my oldest and yours) sound identical. I am sure we could share some stories.... :)
Elaine A thank you and welcome!!
the LOE Essentials IS a lot more work!!! In don’t remember it having a whole lot of games at all. And the lessons took so much longer!!
I haven’t ever looked at Braver Writer. I’m hoping to do some IEW again. But we’ll see. This is only our third week of school and I feel like I need to adjust already. But that’s how it goes!
I’m sure we could share stories!! Ha!! I always tell my daughter, though....she makes me laugh! Keep in the loop if you run across any other great programs for ADHD. So far the reason for spelling also has nice variety. I’ve also contemplated the good and the beautiful.
Our Homeschool Plan I tried IEW with my daughter last year and it didn’t go well, but I’m hoping to give it a try again sometime in the future after she has matured a bit. So you like IEW? I’ve heard great things about it and I liked it from what I saw last year (we used 6 lessons and then sent it back for a full refund! I was impressed with their company simply b/c of that!). I really do hope to give it a try and have thought about doing their Dvd program with both of my daughters once the youngest is ready. Any experience with their dvd program?
Masterbooks and Gather Round have been perfect for my ADHD kids this year (both girls). We use Masterbooks for math and the short lessons are perfect. Before that we used CLE math. My oldest could do the math up until end of level 3 and then the lessons got too lengthy and I realized she wasn’t fully understanding basically anything about math. Math Lessons teaches for understanding and narrating in math has been a huge game changer for her. I just have to keep things simple and straightforward. No adding this that and the other to her workload. She does Language 4, Math 3, America’s Story 1, and then we are doing S America unit study 4x/week and government once a week. It has been so difficult finding what will work with her (exasperating honestly!)
Elaine A I feel your honesty and giggled. 😉 I get it. 😜
We did IEW with CC and I did every paper with her (every paper that we did, that is....we did not write a paper every week). The Keyword outlines worked well for her. And adding adverbs worked. I like the program as a whole. Did it with my son, and truly I wish I’d been taught how to style papers that way.
I’ve had experience with the DVDs (again through CC). I highly recommend them!! They are great lessons before writing the paper. They’ll help you for sure! And if you can get your child to watch with you...even better. Andrew Pudewa is fun to watch. He will keep your attention!!
I should’ve said in my video...besides the spelling, she HATES handwriting. So writing papers out (like IEW suggests,) we didn’t even attempt. She wrote the KWO and then we typed the papers. Breaks my heart that she hates handwriting.....makes it difficult to encourage creative writing and journaling. :( things I love!
I don’t really have experience with any other writing program except LOE. Their reading program....my daughter also liked and it taught keyword outlines before we quit. ;)
We are going to do SOME CC essentials at home this year. But then I can customized it for her.
We’ve used Singapore Math from 1st grade on and haven’t switched. It’s not perfect. But so far it’s working well enough. And I do other math things to make math fun (maybe that will be a future video ;)
Thank you, my son is 6 going to be 7. And he cannot focus for long periods of time. I pretty much have up on spelling this year. I have been looking for something not so intensive, but have the important stuff also. I will have to try this!
Oh I do hope it works for you!!! These are definitely short little lessons. If spelling is difficult for you, you might look at A reason for spelling. I have another video about what that looks like. They are shorter lessons for spelling but also different. I don’t care for the spelling in language lessons for a living education but that’s mostly bc my daughter really, really struggles with it. It’s mostly just a list form here. But if that works for you, then they do provide lists! 😉
A reason for, concentrates a little more on it but also in manageable chunks. 😊
I’ve found language arts and math my kids are below grade level but other subjects they are on grade level. TGTB has helped my dyslexic kids learn language arts and I choose math u see but we have gaps where blocks can’t be used as easily. My kids are very active. We do a phonics approach for spelling. U have organised it well!!!
Below grade level is only according to somebody else’s standard. ;) we have to tell ourselves that. Kids develop at different paces and that’s ok! 👌
I’m first year homeschooler and I believe if it wasn’t for The Good And The Beautiful, I would have not been so confident in teaching my boys. I love how it’s open and go.
There’s a lot of neat aspects to that curriculum, for sure! Good for you for finding the courage!
Oh - I just asked an English curriculum question on another video - yay! I do need this video thank you! In our 7th year homeschooling, still finding out way 😅
Yes I saw your other comment. There are many great options depending on what you’re looking for. We actually use The Good and the Beautiful now (which has free download available). And we also use IEW….their Fox It grammar is pretty simple if your just looking for a grammar option. You can see what that is here:
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@@OurHOMEschoolPlan thank you so much for the links and the help! I have 1 special needs kiddo, an Adhd kiddo, and a 5 year old, but the toughest thing is that I myself have adhd and I need lots of direction so I don’t get side tracked 🤪. I’m binge watching your videos and I will check out the links thank you! And thank you for your in depth, honest videos
Update
We recently retried the Good and the Beautiful LA 3 and love it. It is revised.
The new revisions are nice!!
We have been homeschooling for 3 years.
Currently, she is going into 4th grade next year.
We have tried
BJU, blah
The Good and the Beautiful, was too much for her.
Language Arts for a Living Education, we both love. Of course, I'm curious about other programs so, I look around.
I have a toddler, 4 yr old and 34 weeks pregnant.
Congratulations!!!🎈🎉🎊
And a toddler....saying a prayer for your school day, LOL!! Littler interrupters! But boy, oh boy...,do I miss the toddler stage!
After 3 years homeschooling I think short quick lessons is the way to go. This year we are doing Fix it Grammar.
Us too!
Your daughter sounds a lot like one of mine…and if I’m honest, like myself! I like it short, simple and entertaining! Don’t forget, those of us with those diff learning styles often catch on quick and don’t have to memorize things, we just get it and we retain information in a different way. We’re hands on and we internalize what we take in, but in short pieces! I liked your videos bc it is entertaining and you don’t drag things out!! You are funny. And relatable. Great job and best wishes for your kids and your differently baled learner…we do grow up to be independent and intelligent people-I promise! 😁
And thank you for the Prov. 16:9 verse such a good reminder to me today. Blessings friend.
Oh thank you so much!!!! And I’m glad you think I don’t drag it out!!!! 😜 I try not to and still think sometimes I did! I’m trying though!
Maybe I’ll a little like that also. I’m a fast learner too….if it’s not boring! 😉
My son sounds so much like your daughter, like almost to a tee, My son also says all the time, “I just want everything to be fun” like every day we do school and he does have trouble focusing as well because he starts daydreaming and starts a conversation about something completely not related to what we’re doing.😂 We actually also use a reason for spelling and he is doing great with it, 100% every spelling test, but I have been struggling with the other aspects of language arts. All that to say I’m definitely going to look into switching to this one! Thank you for sharing!
You’re welcome!!! 😉 I also started doing more creative writing journaling topics this year. And you can choose to use those as “editing practice” or just keep it creative, no grammar checks necessary. Creative writing can ignite some fun bc they get to use their imaginations!!
I'm starting to realize both my kids might have ADHD (different forms of it), and currently trying to find curriculum for my son who will be going into 5th grade next year. This was really helpful. ☺️ We've been doing Masterbook's for the past few years, and while I plan on switching up math, I was having trouble figuring out it I wanted to stick with it for language.
I’m glad this was helpful!!! If you do suspect ADHD, another resource I’ve found very helpful lately is another CZcams channel called, “How to ADHD”. It’s an adult with ADHD but giving a lot of helpful tips for both the affected and those who love them. My daughter and I have watched several videos and often are laughing bc we can so relate! But they give tips on how to help the ADHD brain concentrate, and how to function, etc.
But my experience is, it’s has to be fun to them (or figure out ways to make it more fun), and short manageable timeframes work better. So this curriculum definitely has that. :) we’ve also recently switched to TGTB for Language arts (bc I wanted more art and sentence diagramming incorporated) and it also has A LOT of variety! I actually think it has more fun built into it. But….also…the lessons are a little bit longer. So not sure if you’ve ever looked at that but for ADHD brains, I think both of these are great!
@@OurHOMEschoolPlan I had actually heard of that channel! I started researching last year, when I suspected my kids might have it, and stumbled across that channel, and a few others, that have been helpful. My kids definitely need fun and apparently more activities , according to my 7 year old, in their school work. I looked into TGTB briefly at one point, I like the diagramming (it was my favorite thing in school). Unfortunately we need short lessons, because if I don't get everything done in the three hours before lunch, I have lost them for the rest of the day. 😂 Or maybe they just unschool during the afternoon..
@@mylittlemisspompom8300”lost then for the rest of the day ”….I feel you!! 🙃 ❤️
Hi everyone! The Good and the Beautiful sounds really great! Does anyone know what the closest program is that is not religion based? Thanks y’all!
I can only think of Logic of English which is secular. Maybe somebody else will have an idea for you.
@@OurHOMEschoolPlan thank you for the suggestion! I have lots to check out :)
I'm a homeschool mama of a 10yr, 8yr, 5yr and 3yr old. The 3 oldest all have adhd with the 10yr being the most intense. We also suspect the oldest is dyslexic. We have tried So. Many. Language arts curriculum. Currently using The Good and the Beautiful with moderate success. Looking into Logic of English now that we suspect dyslexia.
The Good and the Beautiful has been decent for us as well. Anything with shorter lessons.
If I remember correctly, Logic of English was developed to be helpful for learning disabilities so I do hope you find luck with it. My advice is don’t worry about the ages it suggests bc I think it suggests foundations for up to 7 years and I think you could use that well past 7. It’s the program with more fun and games.
I love logic of English. I don’t find it to be too intensive. Sometimes we have to slow down to move fast. What’s the rush to get to the next lesson and the other areas.
Can you tell me, is the 101 lessons more kid friendly or is it explicit?
Also, how does it work for kids in grade 2, do they have to read the Bible text or you read it to them or with them?
We didn’t do this in 2nd grade so I’m not sure. The first time we did LLFLE was 3rd grade. We probably did both. I read to her. Sometimes she read to me. It’s very kid friendly IMO.
Please do a a comparison between LLLE and TGTB! I used MB this year but am torn between those 2 for next year. Would love to hear your thoughts. Thanks
I will definitely do a comparison if I feel like I can! 😉
I’m going to try to record a comparison next week! So I might have one in May! Have you decided yet?
@@OurHOMEschoolPlan I can't wait to hear your thoughts. I bet is a going to be a good video. I think I have. My 2nd grader did good with MB, it helped us filled so many gaps. Now, I feel she is ready for a bit of a challenge. I printed out the last 2 lessons of TGTB level 1, to do a trial run and if it goes well, we will be switching to it next year.
@@cristinapena6303 I really like both programs, so you can’t go wrong with either! 😉
Needing this now! My son is going into 5th and we switched from TGATB mid year to IEW because he hated the fluff in TGATB and the kids just wouldn’t write full sentences…so tried IEW and although we’ve only done 9 lessons he is now writing 4-5 page stories for fun 🤯 but he truly doesn’t like doing IEW although it has helped him tremendously, so now I’m trying to find someone for next year 😭 I was looking at BJU English 5 but it looks like I’ll have to be very involved teaching it and I am looking for something that he can do more on his own with short instruction from me daily🤷🏻♀️
That’s awesome about his writing improvement from IEW! 4-5 pages is amazing!
Yes, language lessons could definitely be done mostly independently and has less fluff than TGATB! 😉
Hi, I like this video. My granddaughter is almost 7. She is finishing 1st grade. She seems to be learning well but has a hard time sitting still. I have used LOE and we are in Foundations d. I am concerned about using LOR Essentials. I also use right start math and finishing level b.
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We’ve since had good luck also form The Good and the Beautiful language arts. It also has lots of variety including ART!!! 😉 the good and the beautiful has lots of fun built in, kind of like LOE..but it is less expensive. It includes Geography also!! They are updating their K-2 so if you do decide to look into it, keep that in mind. I think they’ll be updated by summer.
MB is still nice. It requires a little more from teacher to figure out the fun. I did a comparison of MAsterbooks and TGATB for level 4-6. I’m getting ready to do another comparison of the level 1 in the coming weeks.
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Joyce I would love for you to reach out to me. I am homeschooling my grandson. I have logic of English and right start math as curriculum choices, but after watching her video, I’m worried he will not do so well in logic of English he has a very hard time staying focused!!
My daughter is ADHD and has dyslexia. I need all the help I can get.
We’ll anytime I have a video geared towards my middle child, it has ADHD in mind. I haven’t made anything specific about ADHD bc I’m not an expert and it’s just part of our life now
We are in our 2nd year. We started with master books in math, language, and science for my older daughter. My younger daughter I just did some store bought workbooks since she was only in preschool. While I love the science, my daughter is not retaining as much as I would like with the other subjects. She gets bored with it. We switched to tgatb for my now kindergartener, and my older daughter will be starting tgatb in the fall. My kindergartener loves tgatb. So I'm hopeful that my older daughter will also. If not, back to the drawing board. 🤷
Math and language arts are foundational. They’ll build upon on each other and things will be repeated throughout the years. I think….(my opinion)….for history and science….they aren’t going to retain much unless they are are super interested! For those things, it’s about learning to learn….following an interest….sparking curiosity! 😉
@@OurHOMEschoolPlan very true! Thank you
Hi I have a 7 year old with ADHD too we started with simple text books like school zone but she got too bored. Are doing The good and the beautiful sometimes the lessons are longer and only do half or get her to fidget with play dough. If it's a really hyper day I take her outside to the park or inside playground. It's all trial and error.
Yes. Trial and error. My daughter isn’t hyper. She’s technically only ADD but they call it all ADHD now. But I’ll also say, she’s growing out of some of it. So maturity helps. We definitely do not sit longer than 40 minutes before getting up and moving for a break. (She probably gets up more than that) but we have morning trampoline time after we do a subject. And I also have a mini trampoline in our basement. Those things help a lot!
And I notice a big difference when I’ve had her cut out gluten. Diet helps a lot with the concentration!
@@OurHOMEschoolPlan oh lucky you lol. Unless my daughter is reading a book it's ten minutes of focus. Evening is better when she can focus. I'd love a tramp in the house.
@@just.a.therian.g my daughter is almost 12. So when she was 7, 10 minutes of focus was more like it. There is hope for you! 😉
@@OurHOMEschoolPlan yes today was so much more focused. I cut out the jam today sugar and ADHD is not a good mix! I don't really time but feels like ten minutes.
IEW is the only thing that works for my adhd son
That’s great! I love IEW and tried to introduce her to it again for next year (we did the free trial) and she still didn’t like it. :(
@@OurHOMEschoolPlan it was mostly fix it grammar that was super short that helped us. We take so looooooong doing anything so one sentence a day seems to be good. And he retains it and feels like a clever clogs. That’s always good to see. 😂
@@evawebb1761 that’s great! I’ve actually never tried fix it for my daughter. I’ve done it with my oldest. Hmmm…. You’ve got me thinking. 😉
We make coffee the same way :-)
😜 it’s good!!!!
We’ve done LLFALE, and the good and the beautiful. I’m looking at IEW and wondering if it’s worth a try…
I need you to know that we have been drinking from our chemex for a good 6 or so years and I had no idea the wood comes off 🤦♀️ my husband even roasts his own beans.. you would think we’d catch on to that. Lol
LOL!! Did you accidentally paste another comment at the end here?! 😜
I also love IEW!! I have another comparison video recorded (not edited yet) on IEW vs Lost Tools of Writing (lost tools is a high school curriculum that Classical conversations uses). But when that video comes out, it will explain how IEW works. ;) (i have so many videos on the docket. Sigh. I can’t keep up! 😜)
@@OurHOMEschoolPlan lol no! I saw you make your coffee and I saw you putting that ball and string back on the chemex. 😆
I’ll be waiting for all the videos 😄
I didn’t love LLFALE. I did it last year with my 2nd grader. It just jumped around a lot but I knew I wasn’t depending on it fully. My kid lived it bc it was short and we didn’t do the spelling or reading instruction. We got tired of the stories at the beginning of each unit…we are straight and to the point…impatient and always a step ahead..:😆I beg all of you do not use LLFALE to teach reading. All about reading was the best curriculum! Systematic and thorough and open and go (after you cut out and prepare the level, but it can be reused and it really isn’t difficult.) it’s scripted and easy and stories the kids live so much they steal each others readers and read the stories often! I’ve used other reading/phonics curriculums and was a school teacher for other people’s little people at one time. AAR was great and quick lessons and Fun! Fun! Fun! Really works for short attention spans! For kids and Moms. Thanks for answering all my questions last year. We did the LL2 and it worked because I took what I wanted and left what I didn’t but I didn’t love how it taught language arts, it was a bit convoluted and not very thorough. It made me cringe some days. So I won’t be using it again. Love your channel. You make me laugh, which I appreciate as much as your content. 😁
Thank you so much!!!
I’ve never used all about reading but have heard it recommended so much!
My middle child did My Fathers World for kindergarten and halfway through that, she was reading and we hadn’t even gotten to all the concepts. She just taught herself! I know several that have done that (friends kids) so I also wouldn’t stress too much about reading. Every child learns at different paces and will eventually figure it out!!! My third child took much longer but caught up very quickly! 😉
Most kids do need systematic reading instruction. AAR is very easy and kids loved it.
Some are natural readers, my eldest for sure-ABeka was enough. But another child needed more instruction. So AAR was great! Do you still use LLFALE for upper grades?
@@ambers4524 no we switched to The Good and the Beautiful bc of the variety on the grammar and the addition of geography and art. But I also don’t care for their writing instruction. So my middle schooler is doing Brave Writer next year and my high schooler is doing institute for Excellence in Writing.
Thank you for sharing!
I’m thinking of trying EIW. IEW looked too intensive for us. Thanks again! Happy summer.
@@ambers4524 I just looked at EIW also and it looks like nice small chunks!! You’ll have to let me know how it works out! 😉
Do you know about Funschooling journals?... perfect for adhd kiddos that want it to be fun.
She gives away so many journal pdfs for free in her group. I have nearly 30 that I got for free.
Especially love the Bible ones.
Check out her CZcams, Sarah Janisse Brown
Thanks!! I’ll check her out! I’ve never heard of it.
Excited for you already. Love Sarah. She is brilliant.
Here is the fb group
I'm under Kris Ashley Hopkins
facebook.com/groups/FunSchoolingwithThinkingTreeBooks/?ref=share