Fixing A Troy-Bilt Mower That Pulls Back On The Rope
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Thanks for watching. This mower's rope would pull back, but only when there was fuel in the carb.
This video is meant as entertainment, always practice safety. - Auta a dopravní prostředky
I try to avoid electric start for exactly the reasons you listed... the price of parts is usually higher than what it's worth.
well said
I would go with a small ultrasonic cleaner. They are relatively cheap and I prefer the oem carb. I gave an old mower to my brother and he ordered a new carb and it wouldn’t run. After looking at the carb I discovered the new carb was milled wrong which cause the o-ring to not seal between the carb and engine. We sent it back and I put a new carb kit in the old carb and it ran like a champ.
you already read my mind
Count me in on the bandwagon for a carb reclean after you pop for an ultrasonic cleaner. This mower carb trouble makes for a good excuse to invest in the cleaner.
I use an ultrasonic cleaner for my restorations, and it's always worked for me. It may help out here for this mower. Thanks for sharing your experience with rescuing this mower!
no problem and mine just came in, so I hope to use it soon, on this mower.
@@HomeGaragechannel, Hey Mr. HG, you are going to love it. Ive brought old rusty , corroded tecumseh carbs back to life. It will pay for itself and then some. Its a big game changer. Enjoy.
I Love the newly introduced sarcastic quips! _All is well back in the universe_ 😆
thanks!
I just picked up a ultrasonic cleaner. It took me years to invest in one but i wish I would have done it sooner. It saves me a lot of carb cleaner cans. I hate using aftermarket carburetors so I always try to clean them and use Amazon as a absolute last resort. I got a larger one so I can clean 2-3 carbs at one time. I still am trying to figure out what chemicals work best. Just using water a dish soap does a decent job but I am going to try some HF degreaser next. The 30min-1 hour cleaning time might not be faster than scrubbing a carb by hand but it definitely does a better job without putting in a lot of effort.
nice, thank you for that information!
I drop carbs into a glass jar filled with gas. I then drop the jar into my ultrasonic which is filled with H2o.
I still run my torch tip cleaners through all carb orifices and spray carb cleaner through said orifices.
HF has a big sale in August. I have one of their ultrasonic cleaners. Easy to use, almost no maintenance except for changing the cleaning liquid. Love it.
nice, I picked one up recently, I'll show you guys soon.
@@HomeGaragechannel actually 30% off today and tomorrow, too. You will be glad you did.
Excellent video. Great job cleaning it. REMARKABLE.
Thank you very much!
I love your videos! I want to get back into repairing mowers and your videos give me more inspiration than ever. Do you happen to have a link to a puller like the one you used to take off the flywheel?
thanks, and I put a link in the description, however I ended getting mine harbor Freight years ago.
I'd hit the carb again if it was me but you already put in parts that'd make up a kit pretty much and it sounded like a partially stopped up jet so I'd fire up the compressor and have at it. Closer and closer to being done. Happy weekend and Blessings
yep that's the plan, but I also got the ultrasonic in the other day too.
@@HomeGaragechannel PROGRESS!
As for me when working on carbs for small engines, I’ll service the existing one at first usually because I try to keep original carbs due to them usually being better quality in comparison to no name ones from China; but unless it’s a high dollar item or something with sentimental value, if the cleaning & rebuild attempt doesn’t work then I’m definitely ordering a replacement one.
well said, thank you
My thought process as well when it comes to original carbs :-)
Get the UltraSonic. You can amortize the cost over many carbs (and tons of other things) to clean in it. I've tried several of them, from the small 2.5 liter plastic one from Harpoon Fright (and it worked AWESOMELY for a few years until the US transducer came loose, it was just small). I used the bigger ones, and finally settled on the mid-sized 6-quart/liter size. It works great for me as a home-garage hobbyist, holds pretty much any carb and carb part, and has 3 US transducers in it. I'm retired, and my time is cheap, so I'd clean it again (if it were me).
yep, already here, and I'm waiting to do the repair.
Good video, I have two ultra sonic cleaners and they work great, seldom have to replace a carburetor unless it is a tiny chain saw carb. Get the tool for removing and installing the seat. They are cheap or you can use a small knitting needle to remove it. Thanks for the video. Those are good engines and last a long time with proper care.
thank you for that and you'll be happy to know I got my ultrasonic in the mail yesterday and used it today. All I'm going to say is, I've got some strong options about it. The video will be out soon.
@@HomeGaragechannel take care about the washing fluids: you need a good one to properly clean stuff in them. I bet the same you use on the chassis (once diluted) can work wonderfully in the cleaner too :)
@@HomeGaragechannel Make sure to use hot water and then let the ultra sonic cleaner work for about 20 to thirty minutes. I use purple cleaner or the yellow cleaner from Harbor Freight. Rince in hot water. Good Luck
thank you for the tips!
I use a crochet hook
My brother just bought me a huge ultrasonic cleaner that I can’t wait to try out. As you know if you don’t get that needle and seat perfect the lawnmower never seems to run right. I’ve had to fight with them a bunch of times. Btw if you are in Florida I’d love to donate some equipment to the channel. Anyways great video as always
thank you for the offer and I wish I could take you up on it, but I'm not set up at the moment to do so, just yet.
@@HomeGaragechannel ok cool just let me know. I try to fix them as fast as I can but I’ve amassed them quicker than I can get them fixed. 😂
I really enjoy your videos. Thanks for posting them for us!
no problem and thank you for watching them
Great videos.
What cleaner are you using in your spray bottle?
It does a wonderful job.
thanks, I'm using a degreaser from Harbor Freight, it's the only one they carry.
As far as cleaners, Rather than an ultrasonic cleaner which is a lot of work, have you ever tried Berryman Chem-Dip carb/parts cleaner? I have had great luck with it and its cheaper than an ultrasonic cleaner. I would generally put multiple things in there using it multiple times with great luck. Most auto parts stores likely carry it in their chemical aisle. After a soak I would then spray a carb off with carb cleaner just to make sure anything that became loose got flushed out. Of course, replacing a carb will likely always fix it, but I love trying to repair every bit I can and not take the easy way. But I love a great challenge and the reward of fixing it is much more satisfying than replacing something.
I use both, depending on condition of carb and what was in fuel tank 😊
Yes I would like to try it, but I would need to make sure there are no rubber parts or any other perishable parts on the carb, when using Chem-Dip.
@@HomeGaragechannel yeah that is when I typically do a total rebuild and pull the float seat and all the other parts. Never had Chem dip fail me though yet
nice to know thank you
@@HomeGaragechannel anytime! What would be interesting to see as I see other comments you got an ultrasonic cleaner is which does a better job. I never used an ultrasonic cleaner but people swear by them, I never had Chem Dip fail when doing a full carb rebuild. But like you said, whatever works for us is fine too.
Again I am glad I found this channel, it is great! I love you take time to respond to viewers.
Just fixed a mower with the broken shear key problem .. and I still have the mark on my hand from the cord yanking back and snapping the T handle off in my hand.🩹
My guess on the carb situation is there is crud coming from the tank and blocking the jet again.
So my guess would be wash out the tank and replace the fuel line . Check the jet is clear.
If something broke that key off I'd have a good look at the blade and the mounting boss for any signs of damage or even a bent crank.
Good luck with it. The rest of the machine looks like it is in good shape. I myself would put the time in just to save it from going to scrap for no good reason.🔧👍
yep you are correct
An ultrasonic cleaner would work, and if you are thinking about it, now might be the time to get one. Look at garage sales and auctions, you can get them really cheap that way. They are useful, but for what you are doing, just purchasing a new carb is a lot less hassle. Like you said in the video, the old carb can just go into a bucket for cleaning in the winter. I finally broke down and had the local John Deere dealer work on my mower, and I'm glad I finally did, but one of the things I needed was the carb worked on, all they did was replace it. When I asked they said that it just wasn't worth the time at their shop rate, its just easier and faster to replace them. The old ones goes to a local high school where they are rebuilt by the students, and used for engine repair classes.
yep, got mine a few days ago and I've used it few times already.
I use a single wire strand from a wire brush to clean the main jet and emulsion tube on my carbs.
that works too.
What is the tool you use to scrap the old grass off the underside of the mowing deck? Some kinda of spackle tool or something? I’d like to get one, seems to work great
It's a round scraper from Hyde but I've not been able to find another one. It's the best tool I've ever used to scrape with .
i have an ultrasonic cleaner and it does a really good job with the carbs i put in it. Sometimes the chinese carbs dont perform like OEM
you make a good point
In my opinion, aftermarket carbs are pretty much a coin flip.
agreed
New carb, but don't trash the old one. It's always good to have spare parts, especially when you don't have to buy them.
yep you make a good point!
I wonder if the fuel line wasn't deteriorating causing problems with the carbs. I think that carb can be saved, and would check to see what is in the bowl now. I've had the fuel line begin to separate and plug up the jet again. If you can find an Ultrasonic online somewhere for a reasonable price, you can multi-task when the carb is cleaning. It's a good time to do any additional cleaning, and lubricating cables, wheels, etc. and sharpening the blade. The cost of the machine can pay for itself after a few uses due to time saved.
yep that's what I did today, I pulled out the ultrasonic, threw the carb parts into it, and re-did the fuel lines while it was doing it's thing.
I see the change is happening sooner than later. Out local Home Depot have more battery operated lawnmowers on the floor than gas ones, even my neighbours are switching over to battery lawn mowers as well as grass trimmers.
yes it's very distressing to me to see a change that, to be honest, I never wanted
A lot of the new electrics are basically "throwaway" mowers. Ego, Greenworks. If a plastic drive gear fails on them, or a switch or something fails due to an accident by the user, then you'd better be under warranty because you can't buy individual components for these.
Depends on size of yard; if you have a 1/4 acre or less to mow, having a battery powered mower and weed eater makes a lot sense now. With my almost 1.5acres to mow/trim, I will be small engine gas powered with my zero turn until I am no longer able to physically mow :-)
Just purchased a Honda hrx217vyaa and I used couple times. Can not pull the cord any more, because it pull right back. Do I need to adjust the valvas already??? If so, what’s the gap space???
Love it, “card carrying cheapskate” lol me too!
NICE!
At 4:20....how long can you keep the mower flip over on its side? I used to flip my mower like that, making sure that the oil cap is facing down. But last time I cleaned the under deck, I noticed when I was about to use mower the following week, I saw oil in my air filter. Now I put the mower on my car ramps when I clean the deck .
With minimal fuel in the tank, a tight oil cap, you can leave it that way long enough to scrape the deck, and clean it. So maybe an hour. I've never tried longer though, and I've never had an issue.
Good morning sir, I would respectfully suggest you purchase an ultra sonic cleaner, as they usually do a great job of cleaning those areas that are difficult to clean using other methods. Given the amount of small engine work you do, it would prove invaluable I'm sure. If you watch James Condon's channel, you will see he uses his u/s/c all the time with great success.
I really enjoy all your videos and wish you all the best for the future.
Cheers....Garry D.
got it yesterday, going to try it out on this mower soon .
A small crochet hook is useful to remove a needle seat.
That's pretty much exactly what the Tecumseh carb tool, part # 670377, is....on one end.
that's what I've been told
Did you clean the tank & fuel line out as well, when you cleaned the carb? Might have been Gooo left in tank & line as well and got sucked into your cleaned carb..
the tank was bone dry, but I need to look at the line and that filter they had in it. thanks for the tips
@@HomeGaragechannel Flush the tank anyway, might have film dried on the inside. That carb looked mighty Goooy when you opened it up..
I love how you mentioned the upside down rope guide eyelet, it drives me nuts. Maybe it is just my OCD, but even looking at it upside down bugs me, lol!
thanks, I thought I was just me!
@@HomeGaragechannel Lol.
You are just you.
@@SA-iw4ci LOL!
Would your ultra sonic cleaner not clean this carb .
yes it would
I have a TB 230 Moore that I love. But for the last two years I struggle to get it started. I pull it over and over and it starts to start and then it just quits I’m the only one that has this problem. my family and friends seem able to pull it and it starts. But they have commented that it has to be pulled up high or it won’t start for them either. What is the problem?
unfortunately the TB 230 was offered with various engines in the years it was made, so I'm sure which one engine is on yours. As for the possibility I'm not sure other Than "how" you're pulling on the rope.
If I am doing this for income then I would get a new carburetor. However I repair mine so see if I can diagnose and repair the problem. Getting it repaired is my payment. In this case I would remove carb and clean the idle screw area and put it in a ultrasonic cleaner if I had one. If not put it in a pot with some Dawn dish soap and boil for a while. Put it back on and see if it works properly. If not then get the new carb. Thanks for the videos.
thanks for the comment and I'll be using the ultrasonic in the next video
Ultrasonic cleaners are pretty expensive and take quite a bit of work to maintain, I’d just replace the carburetor because it has a 99.9% chance of working.
you are correct about that
Right it saves time. Time is money. You might even save one hand wash and hand soap.
I bought an ultrasonic cleaner from Amazon and it was really inexpensive. It can save time when cleaning carburetors. But I also have a few carburetors on hand as well.
that's where I got mine, but once you get a bigger size, other than for jewelry is where it gets expensive
I try ultra sonic first to clean them, if not then acid dip and problem solved 😊
I think our society is really different... I live in Italy and you'd never EVER find so many decent "freebies" around. Even the oldest crappest of these tools are "for sales", or brought to the recycling center when they are completely destroyed...
About this one, I'd give it a bath in the ultrasonic cleaner (I have 2 that I use to clean and service the mechanical wristwatch movements), because I LOVE to repair and not replace :)
yes, I do believe it's a cultural thing
I would try a 2nd cleaning first. Because you do this enough option 2 would be an ultrasonic cleaner. I would guess it would pay for itself after a year of two.
yes you are correct the issue is if it happens again, it'll be time used up again. So I've got an ultrasonic cleaner on the way .
@@HomeGaragechannel if it happens again, it is time for a new one or a good used one from another engine. Cant wait to see what you think of the cleaner!
well, it's no surprise but I've used it once, and I've got some strong opinions on it already
So the oil control ring in that piston is quite worn out. Dump the oil out change the oil and put in 4 oz of what it's called engine restore that you can buy off the shelf that's good for four cylinder or six cylinder V8. I do that all the time and it makes a world of difference when the engines running and helps heal those rings
thank you
Just a quick note, please do not let that machine go out with the side discharge chute exposed like that, if anyone gets hurt, it's your butt on the line, so that is the next issue to be addressed, and it's not a very expensive set of parts to replace it. You might even have them in the bone yard, but in my shop at least, it's critical for my insurance and safety reasons to make sure I don't allow a machine go out without its safety features in place. I imagine the next chapter of this mower covers that aspect, you are always very thorough with your repairs. Great work!
yes, agreed, but the problem Is the cost to replace it, is over $50. That's for the cover, bracket, pin and spring. I've got a plan to cover it up though, so no worries.
@@HomeGaragechannel Really? That's expensive. About 3 weeks ago I found the cover for $10, the spring for $3, and the pin for $7. That was for a Toro, mind you, but still, it was cheaper than I thought... I passed on the order though and actually found pieces in my bone yard from different machines that did the job just fine, nothing special about them really so long as they close the gap. Most will fit, you just might have to do some drilling depending on the mounting configuration.
yes remember that the parts are not universal. Try looking the parts up for this particular model, add up the total, include tax and shipping and you'll see it's not cheap for this one. I was going to talk about it, in depth when I do a video about replacing the cover.
@@HomeGaragechannel Is that a 11A model? If so, I see that the parts would run about $60, and also hard to find, which is ridiculous, but I do have a complete cover assembly in stock, used, but in almost new condition. I'd be willing to send it to you if you are able to pay the shipping from Canada, I'd charge you nothing for the parts, just because I really enjoy your videos, so I'd be happy to help if I can. Not sure how to work out a private shipment based on CZcams sub, but I am sure we could figure it out somehow.
I actually also just found the same assembly on a Yard Works and also a Cub Cadet I have in the bone yard, all identical. MTD scrap. You are welcome to an assembly for free if you would like, it's only 2 bolts holding it on, I could peel it off and send one to you.
That is a strange thing to be doing this mower I like the idea you are thinking about the fly wheel key is out of shape
thank you!
@@HomeGaragechannel your welcome young man 👍😎
I am considering getting a ultra sonic cleaner.
me too!
I use a drill to start them, once fixed I get several ready and call grandson to come pull the rope on them and see how they start 😊😊😊
nice
I'd buy an ultrasonic cleaner. Not expensive for medium size units. Then again, this is my opinion, & I'm a tinkerer.
yes I already got one, I'll show it off soon. thank you
I would have another go at the carb… sometimes you can go through the motions and catch something you didn’t see initially, or it just runs better even though it didn’t appear you did anything different. If this is more of a hobby then I wouldn’t worry about the time spent - when I work on weed eaters or mowers in my shop it’s like therapy for me and I enjoy it.
you are correct, we'll see what happens here in a bit.
@@HomeGaragechannel Good luck with it, I’m sure you’ll get it running fine!
I would get an ultrasonic cleaner and tackle the carb again. You can always use the cleaner other times also.
yep just got one, you'll see what happens soon
What is that free website that you find these mowers??
I use Craigslist and FB marketplace
@@HomeGaragechannel oh ok thanks
Honestly getting a new carb at this point doesn't sound like a bad idea especially since you already gave it a pretty good cleaning, but I can see the carb getting pretty gumbed up again if the fuel tank and lines weren't cleaned.
you make a good point
The way I look at it is you haven’t used or needed an ultrasonic cleaner after doing this kind of work for years, why get one now? It might take another few years to see any kind of ROI on it, not to mentions the added work of taking the old carb apart and putting it back together Vs just replacing it with a new one.
you have a good point
As an amateur I’d try replacing the carb and fuel lines and also clean the gas tank out completely.
very good idea.
You have the tecumseh tool
I do? I don't recall having one.
Use prybar, and put nut back on crack, pry up on flywheel between block....hit crack nut(with socket over it) and it should pop right up and off even if it's sheared
that works too but I would only use that at a back up.
Get a ultrasonic cleaner. Great video 👍🙏👍🙏
Thanks for the tip!
I usually have good luck cleaning the Quantum carbs. I would probably try again. I would try a new carb if that didn't work.
yes, I was thinking about having another go at it.
The voice that you make when you are pretending to be someone else is hilarious...example around the 12:27 mark
thanks I appreciate it.
Excellent vid again. Soaking it for let's say 24 h in lacquer thinner and blowing it out with comp. air works in most cases great with gummed up carbs
thank you for the tip!
I'd get a "Torque wrench". Flywhl torque should be about 60 ft lbs; blade bolt about 35-40 ft lbs . Mas o menos.
thank you I appreciate it.
You and any home owner fixing his own mower should just replace the carb. In my past experience a new carb always worked and the mower ran better than it ever had before. And it goes to show, good alcohol free fuel, good care when putting it away in the fall, and good maintenance pays.
you got that right
I think that the time has come for you to invest in an ultrasonic cleaner. It will save you more money in the long run. Keep up the good work. 😊👍🏿 #stihlpower #stihlisyourdaddy #stihlrunstheyard
already beat you too it, it arrived in the mail yesterday, and I've already used it. However I've got some opinions about it and they aren't all good.
i would say get 10 1.3 vdc aa batteries or just get one 9vdc battery an get three 1.3 vdc aa battery just to make 12vdc
that works too.
You are gonna need a bench power supply in the future might as well make the purchase now
you make a good point
Drop the bowl nut and clean that again. A lot of time more gunk comes loose and blocks the jet again
thank you!
you can clean carbs to brand new condition. just boil them in pine sol. im not joking. comes out factory finished new
I'm going to have to get some
@@HomeGaragechannel google "pinesol carburetor cleaning" I was a total disbeliever before! you will be shocked.
If you bought Ultrasonic cleaners It would help you with other jobs It might save you money in the long run Just a thought Thank you for the video
yes I think you're right
I replace carbs with new ones; I spend the extra money to buy a Chinese B&S carb instead of a cheap Chinese carb. I've never cleaned a carb beyond wiping out the bowl.
They are pretty easy. Watch videos for step by step. Just try not to rush it.
It's silly to buy a new carb when having aftermarket needles, seats, float bowl gaskets, main jet gaskets to replace as needed and clearing clogged orifices is usually all that's needed to restore functionality.
A new carburetor is in order and a side cover
new carb is cheap but the side cover is another thing, bracket, pin, spring and cover combined is over $50
I hate the auto-choke on those, they never want to start back up when hot. If you hold the choke closed I bet it starts right back up.
unfortunately the problem has progressed to also stall after a handful of seconds.
Does anyone else think the inline fuel filter is sus? it could be gummed up as well. To find out do a temp bypass.
ah you make a good point
Just clean the bowel nut again,down the center especially
I'll definitely give it another go, thank you !
Do the carb again
thank you I was planning it
New carb
Nice, already on its way.
It sounds to me like the timing key is broke.
already fixed the key
I would try something different. Because if the thing you try different doesn't work that means it will help to solve a different issue
hey I like the way you're thinking
The reason it won't start once it's gotten hot might be because of the auto-choke thermostat
I'll have to look.
I like new toys myself
me too.
Too much carb cleaner. Needed air compressor with blow gun to make carb work again. Also, needs new carb seat as part of rebuild. You got caught between bulk supplies, so a new carb is the way to go at this point
thank you and you make a good point
I would get a ultrasonic cleaner it saves me time
It came a few days ago, I'll let you know how it goes.
I would go with a new carb
good choice, and thank you
Ultrasonic all day .
thank you!
I would go ultrasonic cleaner
good choice
And here I thought I was the only one that gets irritated when the pull rope guide is oriented incorrectly.
A ultrasonic cleaner, aftermarket needle, seats and float bowl gaskets are way less expensive than buying a oem carb every time.
Doesn't eliminate the need for carb cleaner though.
I don't mess with aftermarket carbs.
thank you and yes I got mine yesterday, so we'll see how it works on this one.
new carb save a lot of time.
you got that right
i would go with a new carb
thank you!
Meh, I’d replace the carb and move on. I’ve found that if you can’t get the carb functioning properly with carb cleaner, compressed air and proper cleaning wires then it’s probably got a small crack in the casting somewhere and more cleaning ain’t gonna get it. Carb’s done and good for parts.
very good logic, I appreciate the way you think
I too am a cheapskate, but I would still drop a couple of bucks on a carb. 👍
my thoughts exactly
Try cleaning one more time
thank you
Get an ultrasonic cleaner, you’ll kick yourself after you see how good they clean carbs…
not all that great
Get a new carb!
yes sir
Time is money buy a new carb
you got that right
Get an ultrasonic cleaner at harbor freight.
just got it yesterday, but I did not use Harbor Freight this time and that's because of the controls