The Isle | The Sad Failure of Nesting in Evrima
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- čas přidán 30. 07. 2024
- The Isle | The Sad Failure of Nesting in Evrima:
Nesting is part of the most important and crucial set of mechanics this genre of games possesses. It represents an essential component of the dinosaur’s life cycle and constitutes a symbolic stepping stone on the player’s progression. After succeeding in surviving in this hostile environment and growing yourself into the pinnacle of your being, your next objective is bringing to life the future generation of your species, and your duty is no longer just keeping your own safety, but the safety of your herd and/or offspring.
During update 5, this once broken and unreliable mechanic finally got the makeover it deserved, being massively improved and turned into a truly finished and proper component of the game, but overtime something peculiar happened, this particular feature was forgotten and used by no one, why? lets find out.
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Got nested in as a carno one time. My experience was hatching, my parents left to find food as they were already taking hunger damage. Shortly after my dad returned and ate us all.
Damn that's harsh
The funny thing is, he probably had so little food from you that he probably ate the mom too..but seriously, this game needs more AI or some nesting change
Bruh moment...
@@janeagamingHell, he probably ate the mom first and killed them when they asked where she was at. 😭
Bro was following his instincts 💀💀💀💀
Evrima made a game who's main appeal was being a dinosaur with friends and socializing, one of the MOST lonely multiplayer games ive ever played. If you dont have a group of friends to VC with Evrima is just desolate and barren until you inevitably get ambushed and killed by something.
Yepp… sad thing about Evrima… it’s a deathmatch pretty much… nothing to little socialization… i finally did the thing ive wanted for a long time and switched to a Semi Realistic server… at least it’s better there but ofc the socialisation is still not quite there… but devs seems to be priotize realism over general enjoyment (with some things)
The game was never a Dino game to be socializing with friends. If u want that play pot. The isle was always supposed to be a hardcore horror survival game.
@@yellowgamer7153 why have species chat then and why encourage some species to cooperate. you just want a horror deathmatch and your projecting to the devs
@@yellowgamer7153 Nobody plays The Isle for survival horror, the simple fact is they shot their playerbase in the foot
@@Charley_Goji Everyone plays as they want
I hate how you have to LEAVE THE GAME and sit in a menu to get an egg or kill your dino, to get an egg. It's honestly the WORST part of all of it. Especially because sitting in a menu, not sure if anyone will accept you is such a bore.
have you ever tried discord before?
@@MIAporbut you still shouldn’t need to be in the menu
@@legendarygigan9855 where do you want you to be to be born then?
@@MIAporBob did it better
@@princessmeek5632 sounds like a personal preference
My biggest issue on nesting is that the focus of the game is so heavy on survival and you’re trying so hard to survive that there’s no time for peace or extra actions. Especially the diet system it’s too focused… 90% of the game your constantly searching for the next meal and if your trying to nest it’s more of a struggle cause you struggle not only to feed yourself but others. If the struggle of survival was maybe taken away or not so heavy to focus on so maybe players had plenty of time to enjoy the game peacefully or ‘stop and smell the roses’ then nesting would be funner.
My experience with nesting in Evrima has been... Rough. Even as an herbivore, you need to always be on the move for food. Stomachs empty fast, diets drain really quickly too. As a carnivore? Forget it. The drive to find more food all the time is ridiculous, and more often than not there just isn't enough to go around to satisfy even me as a soloist. I often have to go off-diet or cannibalize on a non-cannibal carnivore just to not starve to death. It also seems a lot of the time like I get onto a max pop server and find absolutely no one. Can play for hours and see maybe one player. If you do find any reasonable population center, it's just become a deathmatch. You can try to scavenge off the remains of the fallen but you're liable to be picked off in the process.
Food is the biggest issue. It's such a struggle to stay fed, to keep nutrients going just on your own. What's awful is the amount of food it takes to raise babies. Even as hatchlings they take so much out of you when you often can't afford to spare anything. It feels like you're trying to feed four or five adults as just a solo parent or pair. With time to kill so quick in most engagements, I've yet to have a nesting experience with less than an 80% fatality rate. Usually one partner dies over the course of it. I've only had a few babies EVER that made it to adulthood, and none of them ever successfully nested before dying.
I mean, by realism standards this sounds normal but gameplay its not fun
@@raditz2737I think that's the real problem with the isle, they're prioritizing realism over enjoyment
@@wildspirewarrior211 they also dont want it to just be a giant dinosaur chat room...but like thats the POINT lol. Games are a way for people to connect with people who have similar tastes and if you remove that then whats the point of playing lol, you're better off playing a single player game
My herbi experience isn’t bad at all it just always carnis.
I really think that mid tiers like cera and Carno show have a slow hunger pull it’s just crazy how fast there food goes down. Especially when nesting at least do something where when your nesting you hunger won’t go done as much
@@raditz2737 I agree! I think this is why in the long run, PoT will survive, while Isle will sadly fall by the wayside. I think Isle is the better looking, more promising game, but they are so slow with updates, they don't seem to listen to the players, and their goal seems to be to suck all the fun out of the game. Taking away global chat totally took away the social aspect, and even though I tend to play solo, it was still fun to watch the chat, and to be able to communicate when necessary.
I've tried nesting in as a dryo 3 times in evrima and each time within like 5 minutes everyone dies. Each time it was because the parents had to previously defend the nest against compys, and since herbis can't eat/move the corpses, they then rot and a cerato smells it out and comes and kills everyone just in time for the eggs to hatch. Great gameplay.
And devs need to add a new player guide in the game itself,not just on social medium like youtube because many people even don't know about nesting.
I agree with this. I'm still shocked that there are no actual guides or tips on the playable creatures specific gimmicks and abilities in game.
On the main page they should add a “Species databank”, that gives guides to general gameplay and specific dinosaur abilities/characteristics.
@@H_3_R_0- the game has in early access since 2015 the actual surprise would be it being fully released
I remember being put into a herd of Paras on Legacy but as if we were in a Quiet Place movie NOBODY was allowed to make a single noise at night, the parents even threatened to kill us if we made noise because turns out a pair of gigas moved into the area so we couldn't do anything about it until we were grown enough to migrate
Accessibility is to me the one main issue, if you could except eggs in game when playing other Dinos like in legacy, just watch nesting grow, it would be that quick of a change.. so some form of a global invite system like an egg list you can access in game so people could opt in when playing at anytime and switch to an egg even as an adult, no need for global chat either
yeah... like a list where it actually says what dino and all that stuff... as a big issue in Legacy, that never has been fixed, is not knowing what dino u'd pick (well got general chat so sorta)...
One of my first times being nested in was as Hypsilophodon, and the server restarted immediately after... so I had to log back in just to slowly die with no adults to feed me unu
I've had this happen to me so many times. The server restarts suck so bad, and the fact that now hatchlings can't even eat or drink on their own means you're doomed.
I hope devs can improve upon the social aspect of the game through development of the already existing scent system, but also implement a hearing system, overall, adults of a species should be able to distinguish eachother from long distances, herbivores should not be helpless at night, etcetera. There are a lot of ways the developers could make the social system a lot more functional without having to resort to the chat lobby experience of global chat. They just need to think more like animals.
I don't know if these devs care about the players wants
U expect from unsocial people to add social stuff again...
The "hearing" system is your audio system and your ears. Many games of this genre approach this system this way. It's up to the player to learn and recognize the calls in the game. This is appropriate to the spirit of this game and this genre. This genre wants to simulate life as an animal, so creating behaviors in players that simulate an animal listening, learning, and identifying is ideal.
@@madlymode I think they mean adding some variety so you can actually tell the calls of different people of the same species apart. IRL individual animals sound slightly different and can be identified by their calls alone. If there was some kind of way to allow people to customize their calls even slightly, it'd help players differentiate who's where.
It'd be really cool because then, if you have an encounter with an cannibal and escape, you can hear their call later and recognize it's probably the cannibal from earlier. Or you can learn the calls your friends usually go with and can recognize from a distance that's (probably) your buddy. Obviously they'd need to fall into some sort of standard tone, but right now theres like two variations of every 1 call and you become earblind to it after a while.
It is well known that most animals have sharper senses than humans do, it would not be out of place for a 4 tonne animal to make sounds that humans can't hear, not to mention the infrasounds that would go for miles and miles. Letting human ears do some work is fine, but we clearly can't do all the work. We already have night vision because dinosaur eyes are clearly better, and we have scent system because our computers can't give us the sense of scent yet, but do you genuinely believe a human could match the cerato in sense of scent capabilities? Clearly, hearing is a medium that is not properly taken advantage of by the developers. They might touch upon it with the arrival of parasauria, but I am worried that any other dinosaur will be stuck with "human level" hearing.@@madlymode
You know what’s a good idea for players to nest, a way to get elder.
So once they hit 100 you don’t just become a elder in a split second but now your last goal is to grow offspring until sub adulthood or until they are heavy enough to survive on there will own.
But really when you’re doing helping them grow now you can hit elder and finish becoming what ever you are.
Honestly I think they should just have all the dinos die of old age eventually, and maybe make some kinda system where you can take one of your own eggs and if you do you'll grow faster or something.
That would encourage people to nest even if other people aren't taking them, which in turn would make there be more nests available more frequently, which in turn would end up with more people accepting eggs because those eggs would be ready whenever they get to the character select screen.
@@colecampbell1906 I believe that the devs said that you can just choose to die when hitting 100% or go to elder and slow get older and die idk really but nesting in as your own egg will be hard because you only have one parent talking care of the other baby’s idk
@@fire_quacker5199 idk from what I remember they said something about being able to have the choice to become an elder and only then would you die of age but if you don't go elder you'd stay alive until you die from something else. I'm suggesting that you should die of age regardless and maybe becoming elder just makes it speed up a little because you get stronger. I just don't think any of them should just grow to adult and then stay alive indefinitely provided they play careful. It would really aid in the realism aspect to know your time is ticking.
And as far as taking an egg, it could be difficult, but so is going it alone. You could also prepare for it by getting the other parent full and then die by the nest so they can get organs (obviously it would require making the carnivores capable of cannibalism without negative effects). But then if you start out like that with full diet, you'll grow fast enough to get a solid start. It's mainly the fact that you'll have a group with you though instead of starting fresh again by yourself.
Those are just some ideas spitballed though, but there's definitely some options that would make it work well.
@@colecampbell1906 I mean ye I just think maybe it would help with the game loop, in some stream do do said juvie will have little thing’s to do so really I just liked the idea of become baby, do tasks to grow stronger or maybe have mutations(idk how it will work) ,become adult have kids, help grow them up and then become a elder ,help with the herd/pack and die to old age or in a fight.
Why i don’t nest: FOOD.
Food is the biggest resource issue this game seems to struggle with and has struggled with for years. It’s why people freak out and worry about how long stamina takes to regen, why they fear nesting and adding more mouths to the group, and why some don’t group in the first place. Not to mention cannibalism.
It all comes down to the basic issue that food does not last in this game and thankfully AI has finally improved, but the food and water still drain at a fast rate. Every explorative trip you take to see the map, every new friend you add to join you on your adventures, you never know when fun will become a death sentence.
You're right. There is little reason to nest right now without social interaction.
Said this before on your channel. I believe mating and nesting should be one of the most important aspects in the game.
They should introduce a clan/pack system with easy ways to nest friends and new players in.
A genetic up-breeding system system could also make it more interesting. Where people have to find suitable mates by smell etc. And then can improve the genetics of offspring giving them little improving buffs every generation if they mate with the right partner and take good care of their young. This will encourage people to nest and form clans/packs. They can also make chat more immersive by changing the sound and volume the dino makes depending on the type of chat. Where global chat will be broadcasting very loudly. The chat can be kept within one species and maybe players who are death and waiting for an egg.
Rly wish cross-species grouping for herbivores would return, as well as global/cross-species chat. My biggest complaint with Evrima (buggy, neverspawning AI aside), is just the lack of social interaction with other players. Global chat was fun, because you could be on the complete opposite side of the map, and still see what people were up to. I hate that this game keeps trying to isolate you from other players, it's the biggest turn-off from playing often or for long, you just get bored of it?
Even predator-prey relationships were more chill before. I miss telling people who managed to best me in combat a GG, and vice-versa. Miss forming cross-species herds, and letting all our offspring socialize, and play, and grow, and migrate together.
Speaking of which, they should make it easier to find your friends on the map!
I'd agree about having the chat allow certain herbie species talk to eachother, but grouping together and full on global chat are aids. It just doesn't really make any sense for them to group as that'd never happen in reality and it completely ruins the game. Carnivores can't hunt the proper prey if that prey is getting protected by creatures that are too big for it.
Tbh people should just find a chatroom if they just wanna do that whole thing where they hop on and sit on global chat talking all the time instead of playing the game. Global chat COULD be a good idea if people used it as intended, but they always just flood it with their bs personal conversations throwing hearts at someone they play with every fking day as if they hadn't played together in months because they desperately want everyone else to see that they have a friend... They ruin it making it impossible to use it the way we're all complaining about wanting it for now because your message is gone after 2 seconds and replaced with more of those annoying personal conversations.
@@flashgordon6510 No they shouldn't. They already give us coordinates. Use those and your brain, it's not hard at all to find someone when you can communicate with them.
@@colecampbell1906 why don't you just hide the global chat? You even stop to think about that? Everyone else can use it and you can hide it so you never see it. All you will notice is random dino calls on the map and that will help you hunt other players for food. People not wanting global chat in the game make zero sense.
@@kenshinhimura9387because than what’s the point of having it if you’re not gonna use it it would just make the game less realistic
I was wondering why NO ONE was nesting, thanks for explaining this! In the future I believe that nesting will have benefits for when you grow your dino. I think that if they make nesting less tedious and add systems to incentivize it then nesting will be far superior than legacy. B)
Well said man
At least nesting is alive and well on Petits Pieds. We have quite a few serial nesters who want social score boosts. But as a whole for the game nesting is a massive failure. Remember the nesting grounds? Me neither.
Back on the time of "progression" game mode, nesting was unpolished but very useful : The ability to bypass several steps of the progression tree directly to a high tier creature was too good to pass, and a lot of people tried it because of it.
Now it's just pure masochism to try >
So true Petis Poutine
I think some ways to fix and improve it would be:
The ability to look at a nest menu while alive, in the server list, and become an egg while alive (but start with debuffs because you didn't K why S first)
Reasoning: Has enough realism, while also being good for gameplay.
Spare notes: Upon accepting the egg while alive, the dino will have a heart attack and die, slowly while increasing is DPS exponentially, but still slowly. This is for realism, and there can be a little loading bar next to the egg in the nest menu to represent it'll take a moment.
Different stick amounts for different build up nests per species (smaller in general):
Reasoning: Realism, better gameplay
Spare notes: None
Required temperature for eggs being different for different species, and depending on how far away the temp is from the center it will have a higher chance of producing males or females, with the lowest viable temp being guaranteed one type only (same for highest) and the closer to the center the more random it gets.
Reasoning: Realism since modern lizards do the same, actual gameplay effects
Spare notes: I don't remember which one males female (I think top) and which one makes males (I think bottom) you'd need to google it.
Better nest graphics. Right now if you nest in a tree it'll go down below the branch, which is pretty cool depending on the branch actually. But, it should be different amounts of spare depending on the branch type so that it looks good, and so that building roof nests don't look like they caved in underneath. Also, birds get bird nests.
Reasoning: Possible hyperminor optimisation, minor improvement to graphics, better stealth nesting (now that's an idea), better graphical QOL when nesting. Very minor stuff, but very appreciated.
Spare notes: Might include stealth nesting later, mow what? Screw it we ball
More cubby holes, and the return of nesting grounds. A hollow tree, a cavelet, a hollow underneath a tree with roots coming down from the ceiling, dense bushes with only one entrance hitbox, abandoned burrows hidden by moss and rock, side rooms in buildings, mining tunnels, etc. As for nesting grounds, specific patches like near the big center river, which are 'fertile' and will make young grow quicker.
Reasoning: Easier nesting and juvie survival, LORE, quality of life, LORE, better graphical quality of life, LORE
Spare notes: LORREEEEEEEEEEEEE
Also, yeah, we need a better social system. At the very minimum, let some species talk to other species, with a little note saying what they are.
Symbiosis, man, symbiosis is a whirl of a thing
Another huge problem in the small currently existing "nesting community" is, there's no guarantee your skin won't be ugly. A lot of people otherwise willing to do it are stopped by that alone.
Reminds me how one time in Spiro I came across a hypsi family while playing as a teno. One parent was fully black and the other fully white. They had an entire clutch of hatchlings following them and they were all salt and pepper mixes of the parents. Never again seen a hypsi family since then
Hell, I've gotten some skins in BoB that nearly made me cry because they were so damn ugly, but the Inherits system made it worth it. If it'd just been an ugly baby with no inherits system, then what would the benefit of hatching in a nest be versus spawning a new dino with a custom skin and just walking to rejoin my group, besides less time lost?
On top of having eggs being able to be seen all the time to know when eggs are available I'd add another suggestion: multiple dinos on 1 server. That way not only can you see if an egg is available but you don't have to kill your current dino to get it.
nice idea, this way I can revenge if someone kills me. Just get to the second or third dino on the same server and kill the others :))
Beasts of Bermuda and Path of Titans are literally shining examples of why multiple dinos per server is a bad idea.
@Dinoman9877
You haven't played BoB in a long ass time then, because there's a 15 min cooldown on all your other dinos once you die to another player, so most times all you can do is revive the dino that died (which will be weaker, since you get growth taken away for dying) and get a random spawn once in world. There are ways to make multi dinos work.
Nice content man, keep it up! 🫵👍
played this game, turns out you need a group of friends if you dont want to feel lonely and bored
I saw a great recommendation in the discord offering to be able to access the egg screen at all time, and when you accept an egg it kills your dino and lets you take the egg. Sounds like a good idea for me! I feel like being able to enable notifications when a dino you want an egg of becomes available. Also, our dinos constantly having to be on the move for food is the main issue for nesting, maintenance is the smallest issue imo, It doesn't even bother me, I just can't feed my children right diets cause of drain.
Same. I don't mind all these nesting "mini-games" but it does get tedious when I'm constantly on the verge of starving/dehydrating at the same time and having to juggle everything at once like that.
It's Evrima in a nutshell basically. They add cool features, ones that I was begging for for years and then they completely scrap corresponding mechanics (or don't implement new ones) to even enjoy them to begin with. Like courting mechanic. Cool feature, I've always said that being able to nest alone in Legacy is insane. It not only is super unimmersive but it also deprive you of any reason to play as a male. Then they added courting and I was really excited until I realised I can't even find anyone to nest with. It's ridiculous, all you need to do is to make another call that goes thru entire Island, can be heard from enywhere to tell other dinos from your corresponding specie but opposite sex that you are willing to nest. Then you add two more calls. One approving and another one denying your will to do so. Once you and the person of opposite sex both approve their willing to nest you can see them on a compass, flagged with a heart icon that gets bigger once you get closer. Simple as that. Now you can find a partner that is also willing to do nesting. What else could you do to make this mechanic more pleasant? Well for starter - I don't wanna leave my entire group just to have sex. I know this is actually pretty immersive, but video game should never be a simulation of a marriage. I can have friends and a wife, change my mind. Instead of that you could make a separate grouping system that is independant of your group. Now you can chat with your friends and also have a nest. Guess that could potentially help you with a tidious maintaining process. And as for maintaining - I personally don't find it overly complicated or demanding but I acknowledge that there are different types of players, so the solution is really easy - you just tweak it. You make it two, three times slower, that's what beta testing is for, but you need to listen to your community first. And as for egg invitations - you should be able to check available nests at any given time from your character menu. Just make a new tab and I guarantee you - you will find lone, bored players to fill your egg with immidietely.
Tbh, imo, I thought that the food draining too fast was an issue for nesting to happen. But after watching the video, there seemed to be a bit more than what I was thinking. I personally really enjoy how the new nesting system is, it's just that... There's no time to actually stop in one place for a while to relax and eat, you're constantly on the move for food. And since you gotta give all of your kids food, you're going to be spending more time trying to graze or eat your diet food (**if you're still in a migration zone that still exists with diet food, that is**) then actually take the time to relax and enjoy being a parent for two seconds.
I also think that bring back some of the social aspects of Legacy to Evrima, specifically for nesting would help a lot. Being able to see who's nesting even though you may already be playing as a Dino would be really nice. Like if you press escape and you see the menu, what if you could see the nesting menu from there, too? It would really help to know if you wanna be nested and not ever risk killing yourself JUST to see the nest menu. It's such a simple feature and it wouldn't take away anything from the gameplay, in fact it would add to it.
There still wouldn't be Global chat, but being able to be in game and pressing escape to see an extra button for nesting would be very good. The only thing that you'd have to worry about is making sure you are in a bush, since you'd be in the nest menu, kinda like for the settings menu, you can't see anything, but that particular menu screen.
I've had one positive evrima nesting experience, nested into a Teno group with parents that really took on the parenting roll. We ended up dying off one by one to some carno's but it was a lot of fun.
Yea basically nesting is fun, but because the devs made it so you need two Utahs a day to keep the hunger away, it becomes extremely difficult to keep your kids alive. Haven't tried on Gateway yet so maybe I'll change my mind.
Yet again, you hit the nail on the head.
Its so weird how some people just cant grasp how dead a multiplayer game feels with no chat/voice chat, it feels like a single player game but the AI is a bit better.
Lol, you just described Evrima perfectly!
That's exactly how I feel about Evrima. It's so DEAD. I give it a chance time and time again, and then I leave out of boredom because I'm just walking around and growing with nobody at ALL to talk to. If I find someone of my species, they're already grouped up with someone and ignore me. Loneliest online game I've ever played. Probably gonna return to Legacy if I ever try getting into The Isle again :/
Aww my reddit post about nesting made it in your video! Thanks for putting a lens over the issue, I'm still disheartened about the state of nesting in the game.
we need an in-game UI to see the player pop and egg availability, and we need the game stable enough for 250+ players, which is part of the reason there's very few eggs available, imo
Î think the biggest issue is acessability and purpose. If you join the game you primarily get the option to select a dino and spawn in the wild, so most people do that. The nest button is so tiny that most players literally don't see it. Also if you spawn in a nest you literally have to wait longer for your dinodsaur to be adult, so it's technically a disadvantage, the only upside is that you get a pack right away. The solution to that? Nesting should be mandatory! It should be the main way to spawn in the game, not an option. This would of course create the problem that species could go extinct because there are no nests avaiable and if all adults die nobody can build a nest and spawn. This could be maybe solved with AI nests/parents or just with servers having mods actively spawning as (adults of) these dinos and nesting or you get the option to spawn wild only when no nest is avaiable for your species.
Something that would be nice to add that would imo make nesting a bit more popular and less risky and negative on your part is the following:
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- A thing/mechanic where if you had example a 75% + grown dino before being nested in (herbi or carni), to then ofc "throw" away your dino and be nested in.
Then if you die before you reach example 25%/50% growth (or somewhere in between) with the dino you were nested in. You'd get a growth boost of example 50% (on top of the diet boost you'd get while growing, so 100% in total if on a perfect diet), for the next time, you grow your dino (Except for Stego, Deino, and any other apexes as that'd be too easy).
You will have this boost until you have reached example a growth of 50%/75% (or somewhere in between), where then the boost will be gone and from there the only way to get a growth boost until you reach 100% is via the usual (diet).
- To get this bonus you'd have to pick one of your involved dinos, for example, a "Cera" (before being nested) and a "Diablo" (after being nested... and ofc when it comes xdd).
If you don't pick any one of your involved dinos the next time you grow (on the same server), then you won't receive any bonus and it'll have to happen again to be able to get the bonus again.
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- Example:
You had a fully grown Cera, and you were nested into a Diablo, then you died at 10% growth to your parents leaving you and your siblings alone (if you got any)...
Then when growing your next dino again either Cera or Diablo (in this case Cera again), you'd receive a growth boost of 50% for the entire growth time until you reach 50%/75% growth again.
In this case, you'd get a perfect diet when you reached 25% growth and would keep a perfect diet for the rest of the growth until 100%, so basically you'd have the 50% growth boost from the nesting incident and then 50% from the diet, getting 100% growth boost until you reach the limit, basically cutting the growth time in almost half.
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This imo would at least remove some of the pain of getting nested and just being either cannibalized or dying shortly after while having thrown away your previous dino, making nesting again more popular... (bit long and might be hard to understand but just an idea and just had to type it down😂)
Having nested with Stego, Ptera, and Galli several times, I like how nesting works with the different nest styles and incubation. My problem is the game does nothing but discourage it with fast stat decay and now migrations. However it does sound like some of this may be remedied by the upcoming balance patch, maybe if nesting grounds make a return they can be added as migration zones?
you are an herbivore, your food is around you, they can't run away, and all diets grow in the same spot shown in the scent. How is food a problem?
making nests with ptera is the easiest thing in the world, just like beipi, you are sustained by the static AI of the rivers, and galli and stego are herbivores that have free food, I challenge you to try it with carno or utah, you will know what it means to suffer, you will see how little by little you run out of food, your partner died because he went to drink in the river, you go to look for food and when you come back everyone died of hunger.
As someone who has discovered the genra around the time of pteras release on evrima, I've played it in and off ever since, more recently tried BoB and PoT and the vibe and mood is completely different, I almost felt like I was playing a completely different genra of games (which is likely true), but I still find evrima to be the more immersive one, the global chat just feels weird to me (again, probably due to evrima) and it makes the game feel more like a "pre game lobby" than a survival game.
It amazes me how much these devs squander such an awesome base for a game they've made by even removing features their old game had.
Path I feel has the opposite problem: the base kinda sucks but the improvements made to it increase its value so much that its no wonder it took the title for top dino game for many people.
I think Path of Titans is better than the isle on all aspects at this point. You can unlock skins, have a bigger selection of dinos. It has a tutorial, quests to do and good controls. The Isle is just a walking simulator at this point...
@@atoxee6867 Yeah I also agree that Path is the better game rn. The Isle has more critical flaws in its design. It's dinosaur designs aren't the most realistic but it's gameplay tries to be realistic. There's just...no consistency. It's aiming for what the devs want it to be, not trying to grab a niche and hold it.
@@Justmonika6969 realistic… nah.
Some select few things are realistic. Carnotaurus for example is more or less the real thing.
Alot of things however have varying degrees of liberty. For example we have no evidence Beipaosaurus would live like an otter, or that hypsilophodon would have tail and head feathers akin to a bird of paradise.
Magyarosaurus is also basically not Magyarosaurus. The real Magyarosaurus is a bison sized animal that would probably lose a fight with the (also unrealistic for various reasons) omniraptor, let alone carnotaurus or allosaurus.
One of the worst offenders though is pteranodon. If you look at it through a realism lens, you’ll essentially puke and vomit from what you see about how the animal moves.
Just nested tonight as a dilo near NE plains. My mate randomly vanished not even two minutes after laying the eggs (he went to get the milk I guess??) but even then I managed to get 4 out of 6 eggs hatched.
The main problem I was having was definitely hunger/thirst. The first time I went out, I sat on the nest until it was just barely outside the “too hot” range, but still comfortable. I had to go all the way down the river to not get eaten by the deinos, and when I returned it was just about to go outside to comfort range on the too cold side.
From there it went downhill. I couldn’t find much food, and I was beginning to run low, down to a quarter left. I couldn’t leave the nest long enough, or else the eggs would freeze, and even without that, I was too worried the two children I had at the moment would begin to starve if I had left. Once I had the 4 children, it was even worse. I was a single parent that had to manage the nest temperature, 4 different children that would get hungry at different times, along with my own deteriorating needs.
It was ended shortly after by a few cera ambushes. I do think I could’ve done it, but the temperature was definitely a bit much. Of course it was made harder that I was the only adult, but again, the whole temperature system was just a bit too much, it deteriorated too quickly, and it was the main stressor of the things I had to juggle.
Overall, I don’t think it’s all TOO bad, it’s definitely something that causes unneeded stress. I don’t find the eggs being on the main menu too bad, but that may just be because I got lucky getting 4/6 hatchlings, and may just be that I’m bad enough at the game that I die often enough to be able to check the eggs available.
They should make it so that if you don’t manage the temperature there babies just come out with debuffs that can be fixed with diets
on top of that the AI food issue really sealed the deal on nesting, who is going to nest when they are constantly starving and looking for food in the first place. completely severing the habit of even trying to nest.
Something about nesting is legacy is hard to see exactly why it was so great but it was definitely the social aspect, having a large herd of varying dinosaurs, but without the cross species chat it’s really lame
100%. Yo my best stories of legacy I feel like involved nesting in some way.
Before Thenya servers were completely barren I found amazing spots to hide and nest, growing numerous packs of numerous species. Once packs were full or hitting their limits, the pack would separate, the adults go out hunting or roaming, sub adults could either keep the nests goin, reviving the fallen or set out on their own adventures having grown with a small family during the hardest part of the game, growing.
Taking random eggs was great for introducing yourself to other species and you could learn from your peers rather than youtube or reading forums.
I made amazing friendships through nesting.
One of my top memories is a time I grew a whole pack of Gigas, with a whole clutch of Sub adults that split from the adults to go about their own journeys. My giga died and I started the next day growing a pack of ceras. We were roaming and hunting as a full pack and surrounded a giga, and then I recognized the patterns and called out with Global, it was one of the dudes I raised! We had a laugh and split ways but it was such a fun experience, I hope he fell for the game a little harder knowing the community was watching out for him occasionally.
Well that's timing I guess, Dondi confirmed Global Chat will be returning as an option for community servers.
from what i understand, the temperature system also influences the sex of the hatchies. if the nest is warmer when one hatches, it usually comes out female and it's the reverse for a cold nest.
but that sounds like something that doesn't need to be a feature and could be turned into a random result instead (like how it was in legacy) :/
I really love nesting, one of the last things I do very often in The Isle. But some changes would be apreciated for sure.
i kinda wish they added a button bellow "play" that said "nest select" where it would take you to a menu with filters for 'servers you dont have dinosaurs on' 'specific dinosaur you wanna play as' 'official or unofficial" and all that, where it just concatenates every nest from every server available allowing you to choose a quick, get in spawn with a group on a server you have'nt played on, and that would immediately make finding nests better, just to have them in a single compilation.
(also as of now, i have never been nested in by anyone, nor have i built a nest.)
Only problem me and my friends have with nesting is how much it hits you in the gut with hunger
Current diet and hunger system just doesnt work with nesting.
I'll be curious to see how nesting does on Path of Titans. Right now, I like both games, but PoT's servers are often maxed out, while The Isle's Evrima servers are often poorly populated. Getting rid of global chat was the most critical change to The Isle, and I'm not sure it's working. I understand the thinking behind it, but it takes so much out of the game, including the ability to alert people to the availability of eggs. I often wish the devs would abandon their vision of The Isle as a horror game and just make it into the most amazing dinosaur game ever, with no humans, and no ridiculous micromanagement of things like stamina.
Honestly I like that they don't have global chat, I really don't think that it belongs in the game, too many people just treat it like a chatroom at that point and basically just sit around chatting all day not traveling or anything which takes away from hunting opportunity. Not to mention all the mix packing that happens when they can talk. I do think they need other ways to alert people of eggs and stuff though, maybe have some global announcement/ping whenever eggs are available and an option to take the egg from the profile tab or something. Or even if they just had global chat for your species or something like that so if you wanted to be nested as something specific you could just pick that and wait for someone to announce an egg. But I definitely wouldn't want them to ruin the realism aspect behind the game by giving a full on global chat again, that was aids.
I kinda saw the social aspect point coming from a mile away. Yeah, funny thing is i dont mind peesonally not having a global chat, and I'd say I'm very social, but i guess i play the idle for the rason of hunting and feeling like I am the animal.
I think, however, when i do want to nest and be social, i think this is a good point in this scenario
The isle now what it needs is organisation, main problem is with AI spawn zones and the fish problem for pteras and deinos and omnis pounce being literally usless. Nesting also needs more benefits from doing it, the only benefit now is having more people to protect you and hunt with. Maybe this will change after they introduce mutations for us.
Interesting, a menu as you said could help, but perhaps a notification system could do as well? Like you turn on nesting notifications or smth and then when a nest is made it notifies you.
Yeah, of all the times that i checked eggs out of curiosity.
I never saw an egg once since the cera update. Thiugh mixpackers seem to still like using the feature at least i have seen.
bruh, I was joking about the isle regressing to a single-player game! but seems my joke isn't much of a joke anymore!
Well said.
Successfully nesting should provide you with boosts in your next dinosaur and have those boosts only available from a nest spawn, thus actually providing a gameplay loop and an endgame goal, but I think these devs won't be doing much of anything other than adding new dinos
it would be nice if nesting was the only way to get a larger group for certain dinos and was a requirement to become an elder or something
I love nesting...when it isn't a horrible buggy mess and I even CAN nest. Folks nest quite regularly on our realism server, but nesting is just so brpken and they never seem to fix it.
what's broken in that?
@@MIApor We've had big issues where sometimes you can't court, sometimes you can't place the nest, and quite often, the nest just glitches out to two other random players in a group listed as the parents and it's not even accessible by you anymore. So in combination of all these bugs, nesting is barely even working for many of us.
Once I reach full adult and start nesting, every time a wave of selflessness comes over me and I stop caring about my own wellbeing and focus more on making sure my kids fed and growing healthy
I can tell you right now why nesting doesn't get used as much as it did on legacy.... No global chat.
In legacy, that's how everyone got their advertising out. In evirma you have to go to the character creation screen before you'll even see any eggs, and you'll never know if one is about to be ready in the next couple minutes so if it's not up when you check you're not likely to wait for an egg that may not even come. Then when you're playing, you won't even know if one of those eggs does pop up. Therefore people make eggs, nobody takes them, then they stop trying to make eggs because nobody is taking them. Then people stop checking because nobody is making eggs.
I think the only solution is for there to be some sort of global announcement when eggs are ready and maybe an option to take the eggs while you're in game instead of needing to die first and go to the character screen. Because I can't speak for everyone else, but I'd be pretty fking annoyed if I killed my dino for an egg just to have the egg get taken before I get to the character select. Also, maybe they could have something on the character select screen that shows what eggs are being prepared and approximately how long is left on them. That way if a dino you want an egg from is at say 80% already you might be willing to wait whereas if it's at 5% you might not wanna wait so long.
Another issue that ties into not just the nesting shortcomings and the playability of The Isle is the fact that you're limited to 1 character per server, and that's something that gives Path Of Titans a major edge over The Isle, where you can have multiple characters saved per server. Not only you really need to write down what server you have saved that character on, to keep track because the server selection isn't the most accurate in my experience, but needing to log out of a server and TRY to hop onto another server to play another character really is not an enjoyable aspect for playing The Isle either.
well the evrima nesting is pretty accurate to irl animals tbh. The temp changes fast depending on how well u take care of said nest. I think the nests are perfect because it's mean't to be hard and challenging. Thats what makes me love nesting, it's never predictable. Plus it's more immersive without public chat, I can't imagine how chaotic it would be. But if it does become a thing I hope it's optional for community servers but off on officials.
I mean they could give the perants a buff damage or health buff for the period of time that hatchlings are growing. So they can better defend them so less risk and increase hunting and survival success to its abit easier to provide protection and food to the family
Ive nested multiple times on legacy and had adventures in each experience from forming large herds and packs to sacrificing myself to lure predators away from my children
I think they should just have the perks system involved. Like in order to become an elder you have to nest successfully then people would definitely do it and incentive driven.
I think the problem is that people don't _cooperate with each other,_ and that makes the nesting system useless. MY goal when creating a nest is to increase the size of my pack or herd, and have more members to cooperate with. That way, we can hunt larger targets, or, in the case of a herbivore, defend against larger threats. However, often I find myself being the only parent or pack member that's actually building or maintaining the nest. Furthermore, when the eggs do hatch, the hatchlings are usually absolutely horrible. They either don't follow my commands, they get themselves killed, they kill _each other_ or injure each other for no good reason, or they change their mind about wanting to be this species and ask me to kill them.
If people - pack members and hatchlings alike - actually cooperated in a group, maybe the nesting system would be more fun and rewarding to participate in.
Anyhow, those are just my off-the-top-of-my-head thoughts, so if there's any mistakes (grammatical or logical), please forgive me - I don't want to go back and reread and polish that whole paragraph again lol.
God bless you reader, and have a good day!
Imagine If you nest and no one joins your nest/ egg after some time or maybe 1 per nest, You have an AI baby, that you have to try and keep alive, and your calls would give commands like( follow me, run /hide, stay put, etc) having to migrate young around the map is the dream right?
Honestly i feel it should be similar to bob's nesting. If the isle ever implements a talent system or anything like it, nesting could help get stronger babies. In bob nesting is really fun and happens all the time because of the social, gameplay, and rewards attached to it. It's fun to breed a strong dino.
I swear people just forget how bad mix packing and mega packs were back in the day when we had global chat
Debris nesting is EXTREMELY hard. Just to incubate your eggs you need to be near the nest every second. And when you finally have children they are extremely weak and you need to feed them every 5 minutes. For example cerato cant do that much effort for it's children cuz it is always hungry and eats very much food. It is not much easier as a carno cuz if you want to nest you need to do it in a safe place where is no dangers nearby so you can't find enough food for 2 carnos. Deino is really slow and hatchling are still hungry. Like my nesting was a pain, even through a discord it was extremely hard. I was near the nest for every second and i could survive just because i nested in center! I have no idea how to survive as a deino on a gateway, and i wont nest as it.
Mud nesting is extremely easy. Make a nest in two clicks, sit sometimes, feed your children without any problems cuz or you are a hebrivore or you are a mid tier dilo and utah so you can est boars and deers.
To make debris nesting MUCH more easier and balance it with a mud nest just make a temperature drop longer for debris and increase incubation time for both types. Increase hunger time for debris hatchlings. Give them one start nutrient (carbs for example) and that's it. It wont save nesting system but it will make it much easier.
Problem exists since progression mode became survival mode. The original benefit was that you could skip species, and be nested in(Saving loads of time). The only benefit Nesting has these days is for Playables like Raptor/Troodon/Herrerra to Force having a full group. (And becoming viable to combat almost anything)
But the argument these days is that nesting takes more time, and spawning as a Juvi would be better.
my idea to fix this problem is to give the parents a "social buff" that could reward the parents with for an example extra dmg and/or decreased stamina drain (these buffs was just an example). but if the parents losses one of their hatchlings, then they could recieve a debuff like deppresion etc. this would make nesting different and rewarding if done correctly
This could be cool, because it's been documented with a lot of animals that they become enormously more aggressive and dangerous when they have offspring.
it would be nice to have a nesting area where people can acces too food without having to migrate
Personally, I do like checking the nest and having to worry about my eggs simply because it's realistic. I only play realism servers on pot because I love having a purpose and story, but isle is just unenjoyable for me... when I do play I go straight into nesting on Islanders server, and it's much easier because you can tell everyone over discord you got a nest open- but I do agree, I think the reason that the Isle Evrima is so unenjoyable is because it lacks social things. I understand their idea of absolute realism but when you can't communicate with people it gets really hard because you don't know what that creature is thinking, and you instinctively think it's bad. I think Evrima is a solo player game based on the times I do play it.
My only problem is just the lack of customizability. At least, the skins are unable to change
Bro is spitting facts
for me it's the constant food and water drain as well as loosing diets.
just running around it's a constant "how are my diets? I need to keep moving to get more diet", let alone sitting on a nest having all that drain before any baby even hatches. then I need to make sure I have perfect diet to feed them with, while constantly loosing my own due to feeding them.
none of that is enjoyable or fun. inherited mutations will make it more worthwhile in the future, but that's it.
I have one comment about the speed at which a player build. I've had AI wreck my nest when it wasn't even complete yet. After completing courtship and starting to build the nest the partner died and as the surviving female I still had a chance.
When gathering sticks I came back to find my half-completed nest was gone, and a single AI Pterodactylus flapping about in circles above where my nest used to be. It might be just for Pteranadons, but the AI activley spawns nearby a nest. I've had it happen two more times, but only as a Pteranadon nesting.
Maybe it was bad luck and there was a carcass nearby that triggered their spawn-in. But then why not fly near the body and come straight for the nest? But if my assumption is correct: it basically means that nesting solo isn't viable and even punished. If I I stay to fight the AI, the nest never gets completed. If I leave to look for resources, the nest gets destroyed. Only by having two dedicated, somewhat capable parents can a successful nest even come about
Addendum: I've also had the same little buggers appear around my Beipi, Raptor and Croc nests too
I love the removal of Global chat btw, off topic but thank god they did
So many reasons why it's awesome. Everything you said as a benefit of nesting still exists in Evrima. Just now it's only done by actual effort and not just click and point
Ive noticed that the isle takes the realism asspect to far to the point its more of a detriment to them like the saying goes "to much of a good thing is a bad thing" or something similar 😅
I nest in evrima with my friend almost every time we play, and I have to disagree. Nest maintenance was never an issue. It gave us a task to focus on and to feel satisfied when we do it right. I have never thought of it as any kind of difficult or demanding. It just speeds up the tempo of our game for the time of incubating, which is, for me, very immersive, as animals in real life also experience such changes. What makes nesting unpleasant for us is people themselves. Babies who absolutely cannot listen to their parents even when it's the simplest thing ever to do. Babies who cannot stick to their group and end up wandering off every time they see another dinosaur. I could go on and on. The process of the eggs hatching is already chaotic enough, but with the wrong people it just feels straight up horryfying. And then raising your offspring, which you don't even really like is really punishing you for even wanting that socialization
agreed. I think it's good to have that stuff otherwise nesting would be boring just sitting there waiting for it to be ready, and as you said it makes it more realistic.
Personally I just think the fact that you have to be on the character screen to see and accept eggs is the problem. If you could do that while playing, it would likely fix everything and people would regularly be using it.
The should add the category nesting and make it look like server menu But with the species and server
i think nesting should only be a thing if evrima gets the amount of players legacy has. PLUS also having a new great falls type place in evrima for nesting would do the trick.
Removing global chat, removing the next inviting features... almost as if the devs want people to go away from the isle to other games, makes me so frustrated, such an easy thing to add as global chat, and they do NOT add it, just makes me wonder why they wont add it
maybe because we don't want it?
Removing global chat is probably the only good decision made in this game
Dino’s aren’t meant to sit and chat with each other go play another game lol we don’t want that 😂
Why were all the social systems removed exactly? I was so confused when I started playing evrima and there was no player list or global chat. Was it to discourage mix packing or something?
I think adding breeding animations will solve the problem.
I was watching a critique video a while back and scrolling through the comments I understood the idea put forth a lot better... I am seeing people with so much passion for this game disappointed because of simple issues that shouldn't exist. Some people suggest ideas and the discord server has an entire section dedicated to it..... but it SHOULDN'T. We are the customers, we should not be pleading like this! We should not be explaining to the devs how to make their own game.
That is not our job.
The person in the video I watched said "I'm not going to give ideas on how to fix these problems - if I did they would have to hire me". The devs should KNOW how to make a good game already (theoretically speaking). They should FORSEE how isolating players in a multiplayer game will have negative consequences. The video also had another criticism - or maybe it was a comment somewhere... that the devs should take a game design course. I hate to complain constantly but there are always fundamental and game-breaking issues! If you can't navigate the game UI properly or learn how to play the game without watching a guide online, then it's not a very accessible game. The idea that you have to kill your dinosaur to see eggs is baffling. NO ONE raised their hand and thought that was a bad idea? That players would be unhappy with it? That nesting would be choked by this flaw? This should have been one of the first things they created for the system!
Also the way they constantly change working aspects of the game feels like they are experimenting on us but they never learn. It's very discouraging to see little progress on improvement. Like I said, I hate to complain and I'm sure there are some things that are better now - it's just the little things that add up over so long that allows resentment to fester. I love this game and I see great potential if they'd just figure out what they want to do and stick to it. Create a system, move on, and fix bugs when they appear, otherwise this game will never be finished. I'm not talking about speed, here - I'm talking about a playable, unbroken game as a whole. I doubt we'll ever see it if the devs are constantly fiddling with values and we pay the price. Systems should not come in half-baked and constantly tweaked. It makes it look like no one knows what is going on.
Sorry that that's very negative. I'm sure you've heard it all before. I just saw all the comments giving ideas and thought about how we shouldn't feel the need to do that.
After my initial thoughts left my mind I realized that it is definitely unreasonable to expect the devs to deliver completely foolproof systems and creatures on the first try - there will always be something unexpected, some variable that wasn't considered, but my main issue still stands; that there shouldn't be such huge shortcomings. Nesting should have come with a system to see all available eggs in-game and from the server list. That is just an integral part of accessibility needed for a system like nesting to function.
Lol nesting mechanics themselves aren’t the problem. It’s very easy to maintain the right temp for the nest it has such a large safe zone in temperature. What makes nesting hard for carnivores is the hunger drain. You must hunt successfully before you nest and start hunting again as soon as h the e babies hit juvi stage. I think nesting could benefit from having a list you can access while playing and choose to die or not to be an egg. But really I like the nesting in evrima, it’s challenging but not impossible. I think that a lot of people don’t nest in evrima is because they find it boring because they aren’t constantly fighting or moving and they care a lot about how they will look. Those kinds of people will never like nesting no matter what is done. Evrima needs to shift its player base to less deathmatch mentality players(which is why they did the stam changes and why so many disliked it) the stam changes I think are good for the larger Dino’s but not the small ones. The small ones should have the zoomies)
Yepp totally agree. With the hunger then Dondi said they will put out a patch in Febuary that would adjust the hunger issue… as well as adjust the stam to last longer and have a slightly better regen system… for me them i pretty much havent nested as carni or herbi for ages… when Diablo comes imma try and change that… cant wait for it
I can’t wait! I wonder if the hatchlings can spar as well, or perhaps can’t but a cute animation plays if you attempt it. Like running a bit and tripping over your feet, lol
To be honest, I dont mind nest maintenance. That is not a problem for me. My main issue is how difficult it is to get an egg. Yeah, I also think you should be able to see available eggs without exiting the game, without killing your current creature. Maybe the character screen could have a tab where you can check them. Heck, there could be a button that parent creatures can press that tells people on the server that eggs are available. While going to the character screen, the tab for eggs would be highlighted if eggs are available.
So many more people would want to get nested. I have played Evrima since forever and am looking for eggs every time I join a new server or my creature dies... and I only managed to get nested a single time. Once. ONCE. This shows how broken the feature is, when people who absolutely would love to get nested at any time, cannot do so.
Path of Titans continues to flaunt its superiority. Yes there is no nesting, but they have social features.
or "they don't have nesting... YET"
YET😊
S community servers have a nesting feature linked to the discord.
there's zero point of nesting in the isle other than "mrr immersion." This is why I value bob's nesting far more.
the biggest problem is how murderous people are, once made a dryo nest, and a bunch of pachy attacked our nest, it happens so often so officials.
on unofficials i see nest more often and regularly do one because you wont waste your time doing it because of some bad players.
My experience from playing legacy is... I kill somebody for food and I get flamed in the chat for 15 minutes by several people. An experience I don't want to have thx!
who here wishes they were apart of the isle dev team as you feel like u could fix the isle ?
You'd think the devs would make incentives growing as a nested egg. How about raised young would have faster growth rate compared to standard game growth. Say a nested egg/character growth has a 75%growth boost on perfect diet compared to 50%growth of a non-egg spawn. As a stego I am better off growing by myself/hiding and see no reason to be with a group.
it would be nice if nesting does have some point to it besides people coming together and socialising. there should be a feature where players growing their dinosaurs from nests get stat buffs but small amounts, it can be stamina, hunger, thirst or speed. then when you grow up and build your own nest for your own babies, then those babies gain your stat buffs and some more on top, its about giving the next generations a better chance of surviving, and the process repeats and repeats until your family tree dies, and i find that a really cool idea.
they're already working on it
they have the exact same idea as mine?@@MIApor
@@jackmills7758 I don't know if they have the exact same idea in their mind, but they mentioned that nesting will unlock some buffs in the mutation tree. They also mentioned that being nested in, also gives some buffs.
I don't know if the buffs gonna go from parents to offsprings.
And we also have to wait and see what can they implement and what not from their plans. Planning to introduce a feature and actually introducing it is two different things. But yes, the devs wants to reward people who nest.
Removing social chats is the single most TERRIBLE thing that ever happened to Evrima. We, the players, should hold a petition to bring back the chatting systems. It is fundamentally IMPOSSIBLE to regulate toxicity perfectly, and in a game centered around combat is WILL happened. Censor slurs and certain words, go ahead, make it an option to enable and disable on private servers, but don't take away people's ability to socialize just because you'll have to hire a moderator team to handle complaint tickets.
I have nested a bunch on evrima and it's just not worth it, till you even get the eggs it takes forever and till someone joins my friend and I were about to log out.
And when people join? Well, when I first nested we made 14 eggs on tenonto and our group members made 20 and in the end we had, drum roll please, two baby tenos!
People that join nests either join to waste eggs (and then complain they can't get themselves killed), kill everyone else since hatchling do crazy damage to each other, run away, log out, die in a stupid way, get killed or are just so loud they attract everything and you get killed by a big group.
Also, carnivorous being forced to stay in one spot just makes them slowly starve, deinosuchus doesn't care too much, Utah has it really hard and for carno its literally impossible because of just how much food the hatches need
tbh theres alot of redesigned legacy features that are missing something just wait till mods ig
I honestly did not even try nesting. Playing with herbs is not my thing, but as carno, lack of food and stam system are just awfull, expecially for groups of carnos
Never gotten nested in Evirma due to the absence but made multiple nest myself. In each and every single case my mate got themselves killed or starved to death or WILLINGLY killed themselves to provide food for the offspring. And the offspring every single times end up infighting even when you manage it to provide food and then turn for whatever reason AGAINST YOU. Then your option is either
A: Leave them alone and let them kill themselves
B: Kill them yourself and ask yourself for what reason you wasted 1 hour of your life nevermind the sacrifices of entire hours of your mate.
Do this 6 times and yeah nesting really doesn't hold any appeal anymore. Now we need things that actively encourage players to not off themselves on a whim.
Announced today that Global will be returning for community servers!
I've enjoyed playing but I'm so new and don't know how everything works. I need some friends and I don't know how to add them.