I Tried to Make a Song with the EP-133, almost lost my mind.
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- čas přidán 12. 05. 2024
- In this Compact Creation, let's put the EP-133 to the test! I'll make a track from start to finish. This is how I'll be using the Teenage Engineering KO ii in my studio. Sampling sounds, arranging a track, and getting ideas down quickly. As you'll see there are some weird quirks along the way. But in reality, it's just a workflow I'm not fully used to yet.
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00:00 Good to see you!
00:27 Laying Down The Drums
01:59 Is This A Bug? Weird Voice Stealing?
03:10 Sampling The Nord - Gripes Included
06:59 Sampling The Pro 3! Bass and Lead Sounds
09:04 Bassline Pattern and Lead Line Pattern
10:05 Hitting a Voice Limit!
14:01 Plan B, New Pattern to Fight the Voice Stealing.
14:58 The Chord that Saved the Beat!
17:19 Creating a Breakdown LIVE!
20:39 Final Thoughts
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Playing this video on repeat so I can learn how to lose my mind with Tinez levels of chill
😂
Although I'll never buy one of these, I always enjoy watching you create. A lot of insight to be gained no matter the devices you prefer.
Thanks for tuning in Araghajanian! I appreciate the kind words.
You're cutting this thing some serious slack, so understanding and chill at the point when I'd be swearing profusely
It’s not an Octatrack. It’s fun little sampler. I don’t think TE meant for it to be anything except that.
@@Hanoveurthe amount of people making excuses for TE is crazy. They made a dodgy product. It’s okay to admit that
I don't get why everyone is jumping on this like it's supposed to be some DAW busting sampler. Have a look at what some people are doing with the Volca Sample. It's crazy. Sometimes limitations breed creativity.
He is using 2 bars? Why? Make an actual beat thats 16 bars. 2 bars?
@@EVILJAMARR QC is one thing but he is using 2 bars. Like most people for some reason. Weird
Nice video! The polyphony is 6 voices stereo/12 voices mono. They should add resampling, to be able to convert to mono and free up some voices.
Yeah, but there is not much memory to resample to.
@@velloklemm6121 Sure there is. The max recording time per sample is 20 seconds, but the total sample memory for the machine is 64MB, which is around 5-6 minutes of stereo samples, double that for mono. I don't remember the exact time, but someone did the calculations.
Yeah it desperately needs to be able to resample. 12 voice polyphony ain’t that bad if you can condense 7 different voices down to 1 (or 2 in stereo).
@@TheArtisticFlavor my unit has 32mb free from just the factory samples. So sure, you can do some 1-8 bar resamples but you will hit a wall sooner then expexted. This would not be a problem if loading and unloading the machine was a little simpler. Ie sd card
I think a resampling feature would fix a very big list of issues with the KO II
Your command of this device and musical talent is impressive.
Love watching your workflow! Can learn a lot from it!
This thing might set a record for the piece of equipment that makes it onto the "Bad Gear" channel the fastest.
hahahahahahah right?!
hahha true "At the first glance this giant retro calculator is ticking all the boxes, including all the hate to be featured on this channel."
im so excited to watch that video
@AudioPilz here is one serious request for you looking at this box and it’s ticks 😂
@@raysubject hahaha
The sunday chill vibes on your 1 or 2 machine creations are on point every time. I have to start up my 404 Mk2 ->
One ting certain, seems like yu can knock up a decent vibe in no time in thing ting! Every demo I’ve seen on this, the common factor seems to be the ability to make a nice groove in almost an instant. All that other shit they can sort with later updates 🤷🏾♂️
Great demonstration of this product. Not just done to sell the EP-133. A nice fair assessment.
Love your workflow and completely chill approach.
Thanks! Valuable to see limitations.
Everybody's been complaining about this, but you make it look so easy to use and sound fantastic!
Plenty of people love it and have made it look easy.
It’s the most fun I’ve had with an instrument/tool in a while. Is it perfect? No!
Is it $300 worth of endless joy and creativity?
HELL YES!
I use my JBL charge 4 speaker to amplify it and power it on my porch… talk about an easy on the go setup. All that is required is two cables and you’re having fun annoying the neighbors as they walk by!
I really like how you are positive thinking person and how some obstacle (lije voicec stealing, or other details) doesn’t stop you from creating cool groovy pattern.. respect !
Totally second this. Most devices have some annoying limitations, but creative people accept the challenge and adapt to create something while non-creatives just whine and give up.
Ya know, no matter how much people hate on a piece of gear, Ricky Tinez always makes it proper. Love his technique, & all of his videos. Much props Ricky. 👊. Ryan
Whether you dig its ins and outs, that’s a sexy beat you made
This is the best things I’ve heard on this device. Great job 😀👍🏻
Literally all of Ricky’s videos just have me vibing. Beat Master
I canceled my order last week. Looks like a very fun product, but in the end I think I’m better off sticking to what I got (which is way too much gear already, lol).
hell yeah, i didnt cancel my order but i was ..just seeing photos on the fence of like.. do i need this? and im so glad i didnt order it
are you sticking with the sp404mk2 or what is your gear replacement for this?
@@daneguitarist1 I have a ton of gear, but rotate and use it all. So Elektron products, sp 404, Mpc live, several drum machines and groove boxes. When I buy something I try to make around 10 songs/jams with it right away. That way I learn the product and also get something from them. Sometimes these products aren’t so good until you gets hours into them. Stuff that doesn’t move me I sell. Funny as sometimes I like the songs I make more than the gear, lol. I always sell the value of what I buy. So if I’d buy this I’d sell something $300 or more. These little rules help me keep things in control, lol.
Focus on using the octotrack
I’m so glad I made the new years resolution to stop buying new gear one after another. Awesome channel as always man. 🎹🎸🤟
Oooo that’s a good one to practice!
But there's soon a new year!
@@thomasfsan this is the first iteration of the piece, whats to come will olny advance the price lol
What a dope groove you made on this one. Workflow is a bit, but I do think I'll look at the gear I have once I finally have time off work.
Thanks for the upload!
Thanks for the view! ❤
Thanks for this honest video! They should have a look at the SP 404 MK2 for the threshold thing. I think both could learn from each other and implement some things.
I would never judge cause everything depends on the way you like to use it and your workflow...and for some aesthetics also play a big role. In my case the SP404 MK2 was the better joyce even if I preferred to have the display of this device.
Btw. your studio looks amazing ❤I love the whole setup with colours and lights, perfect place for producing.
Awesome instructional video
been looking for a small portable
workstation. Cool track too
the velocity sensitive retrig-like repeat map to step is the best part of this workflow that i wish the rytm had!
I really like your new voice and more natural demeanor. It feels so much more organic.
If there was any video that could sell me on this device, this would be it.
I almost lost my mind with you, but I always stick thru the end of these videos to hear the finished product, and I was amazed.
As much as this thing seems to be flawed, Ricky's KOII has a special feature called the talent button.
Labelled "hard work" on east coast synths.
haha! you're too kind, thank you
I appreciate your videos a lot and i think that you are one of the best youtubers/musicians around, for the way you make complicated things look easy. Small question: can you chain the scenes to create full songs? I do not mean manually but in an automatic way...
Yes you can
No you can't
For sampling, you could have used your jaguar figure as a weight - potentially a new niche product :) I know there are weights for piano keys :)
haha! I thought about this after, like a heavy battery or something
Came here for the KO II and stayed for the beat! Awesome groove 🔥 However, seeing this workflow, limitations and voice stealing issues, I believe it really is more like a toyish gadget. Guess, I'll stick with my Circuit Rhythm and Koala 😂
It looks like you’re taking a gamble on excellent updates if you buy this.
Very thankful for your honest look at the EP-133. I was seriously considering getting it but I'm someone that needs a simple workflow to get anything done, especially when it comes to applying effects and recording samples so I'm likely going to give this a pass even though I was hoping for it to be my first T.E. device. Might just look into the SP404 MK II instead.
Just get a PO-33 man
Yeah I've been thinking about it but I think for my wants the 404 gives a bit more functionality. Certainly wouldn't hurt to have a PO-33 as well though.@@GreatistheWorld
Super instructive! Thank you :)
Thanks for this video. Really gives an idea of the peaks and troughs with this box. Seems like a very capable device for the money but has limitations. Also classic TE esoteric workflow. Guess if you temper expectations then this is a great groove box. I'm sure I'll enjoy mine when it eventually arrives. Wondering if some of the synth patches would be better controlled as MIDI. Guess you don't the internal effects that way but might avoid some voice stealing 🤔
🔥🔥 that’s an ice ice baby right there. Love you man.
wow ur so good at this ❤
Love your videos, hate how quickly you learn new gear compared to me 😂
Same....crazy how quick he figures it out. Guess that's what years of making music on many devices gets you. Just wish I wouldn't have waited until 44 to get started.
@@JoshuaNeedham You'll get there, too! Music gear like this has a high learning curve which a grown and fully developed mind is perfect for. Give it a few years of daily practice and you'll be smooth with it, too:)
@@JoshuaNeedham I'm older than you. We've got plenty of time!
@@JoshuaNeedham I started at 49. Perhaps there's an old farts electronic music group we can all join.
haha! at this point all gear feels "similar" to another piece so maybe that's why there are remnants of muscle memory. At the same time, when a workflow changes I struggle to unlearn/not compare a device to another!
🍿👀🥤 thanks for showing us! I can’t wait for the rest of the EP series 😂
I can 😂
Nice track! Sounds good 👍🏾
Thanks for this. Almost all other videos out there blindly shout praise for this machine, but the issues you've had are a deal breaker for me and I'll save my cash!
Honestly you should just give it a try if you can. I was down on it until I actually played one and was blown away by its workflow and creativity. There’s something just very cheerful about the machine that makes you want to play it
did u watch this video lol @@CharleyHale
Weird. You let one guys opinion away you that much? This thing is exactly as advertised... so if you know what it is you shouldn't be surprised
@@CharleyHaleExactly. Everyone here is falling over themselves to trash it here
@@StrikeforceLegendKiller the obstacles he faced in this video aren't opinions, they're limitations of the device. Seeing the device in action swayed me.
Thinking it may make sense to kinda pre-filter the drum sounds before loading in to solve that first problem- not adjustable as per song - but could be a work around
Love the Groove on the end result. Oldschool house music! :-)
Ricky you are amazing at making tracks. I too was frustrated by the voice stealing, because if the machines polyphony limitations I found that stereo samples were best reserved for one crutial aspect. mono drums, mono bass, mono leads. something like a pad or those keys with a lot of stereo motion are really the limit of the device. essentially I consider it 10 mono sounds and one stereo. Also consider using the group function for samples to eliminate accidental sample overlap
I own the OP-1 (OG), OP-Z, Digitakt, 404mk2 and now the KO2. Of these devices, the OP-Z still remains my absolute favorite based on workflow alone. My expectations were a little too high with this thing as I hoped it would basically be an expanded OP-Z.. it borrows some workflow elements but the things that make the OP-Z great were left out of this thing imo.
Ouh sick beat bro ! Amazing what you cooked with that amount of limtation
Definitely gonna remember to sample in stereo very sparingly and set groups to manage the voices when I get my KO II
Good gawd man in the next year we'll all be going back to the DAW and talking about how good it feels to not be limited by hardware quirks lol.
Hey Ricky, amazing groove in a matter of minutes. Could you do a slower explanation of how you did the breakdown. Like a step by step guide. I’ve watched and rewatched multiple times and I can’t figure out what you did with the fader for the drop. Loving my ko ii already
thanks - the envelope release thing has been driving me crazy !
I've found that the sample envelope clips while playing the key after twisting the parameter knobs (which does that envelope change on purpose for amp and pitch auditioning). It's like it gets stuck in that play mode until you go back to main and switch sounds back and forth. At least that what seems to happen for me. I'm guessing it's already getting looked at.
It wouldn't be my first time using my nose to press a button while my two hands are occupied
Thank you for not feeding us marketing hype. As a new user just getting into this genre, do you have an article or what to get/ how to get started?
Looks awesome
I remain amazed you have yet to check the Synthstrom Deluge on the channel, esp. now with it open source updates. Not a criticism, you prob have used it I'm sure, and tbf the polyend covers some of its bases. but it really is a fantastic bit of kit as a central sequencer, sketch pad etc.
Biggups for the vids as ever !
Agreed. The deluge is top tier gear. It's one of the most inspiring pieces I got and it's definitely on my permakeep list.
Teenage Engineering needs an OS update soon... take some pages out of the old Digitakt manual. Haha
I wouldn't put MPC in the list because its fairly easy as well. Now elektron is a o
Pain to learn. With the exception of the Digitakt
KO II + Tonic II is going to be the move
Yes!! Tonic II should have hit first
I love the clicking sound the device makes
Like using a computer keyboard. Lol
when your use to having a full commercial kitchen its hard to cook in the dorm room.
Best wishes for your wedding!🎉
Ricky usually makes everything sound good.
Dude Same. I was trying to record op1 onto a pad and just treat it like a sequencer or an audio track and you can't (kinda makes the threshold parameter useless if you have to hold the pad to start recording, leaving you one handed on keys) :( and it's a shame they took away some features of what made the Pocket Operators so cool. Thought it would be the ultimate portable one shot drum machine to pair with ipad but forgot how small 64mb really is lol.
Would have 0 complaints if it had at least a 1gb of space on there and just treat it truly as a sample composer. but realistically you aren't sampling much with that limited amount of space . if you get 900 samples on there I have no idea how. Even with all the gripes its a great thing to have laying around and to pick up if you don't run into hardware issues. definitely sketch like though. more approachable than a lot of others in the price range. Hoping for a revamped OPZ with a screen.
I wish we could enable punch fxs via midi. considering it's pretty easy to do like CC0 is no effect and 1-127 would be different levels of it. could automate a lot of stuff and play other insruments like guitar on top. Would be great to trigger them via footswitches or expression pedals.
Nice upload mate 👌
They could have knocked it out of the park with this device if they had just added a few things. More effects, more memory, more polyphony. Just those things and it would be significantly better. They could have even charged 50 bucks more if needed. $350 would still be a great price.
That title. 😂 I almost bought the small calculator one but decided to buy an MPC live 2 instead. Best decision ever.
It’s been funny to watch how the reactions to this unit have changed within the space of a week. At first everyone was gushing but as the limitations, jankiness & fader issues became more clear, there doesn’t appear to be as much love for it. Reminds me of what happened to the Roland SH-4d.
haha! total whipslash right? I went from "ALL THIS FOR ONLY $300?!" to "oh.. I get why its only $300..."
I expect a big firmware update to fix a lot of it. TE probably rushed this out the door to get it under the tree.
Gotta admit i fell in love with what Rickey did on his Chompi in that video, but he said this is a much better buy
@@joemurray2523I had a bit of GAS for Chompi up until Ricky’s video. lol … Not for what Ricky did with it.. that was fine… it was just all the bugs. Anyway… cured of GAS for now.
Still tons of love even now with good reason. it's fun as hell
🔥🔥🔥
Nice video, nice sound!
I love the design of the box, but I see that I would trap myself in another endless 4 beat loop with it if I choose to play with it. Thanks for your video !
what drum samples are you using? they always sound so clean, especially the kick! appreciate you, peace!
Ok. Honestly, this beat is fire 🔥
I'm getting strong Yamaha SU700 vibes from this, right down to the 64MB memory (well, 64+4 on the Yamaha). I loved that thing, and it was janky as hell too.
Can’t wait to make bangers on mine 🎉
Cool video but seeing this thing in action over the last few days completely relieved my GAS for this sampler. Even if it had an update that included resampling and not having to hold the pad key for recording, I might still be frustrated by its workflow. All their products have a frustration curve.
I haven't used the EP-133 but I know with the OP-1 at least it always felt like it was missing the last 20% of features (undo, quantization, etc.) to be perfect, which is a shame because the first 80% are awesome.
Is IT not possible to resample your Groupon through the Out of the device to the in of the device with a audiocable?
@@SachaGreif that’s exactly how I feel being an OP1-F user. I keep holding onto it hoping they’ll shadow drop an amazing update that makes the OP1 F indispensable but I think I might ditch it for a digitakt. It will go nicely with my other Elektron boxes and I won’t feel so precious about it
@EVILJAMARR I hear you. I really want to like the OP1, but it feels lacking. I've heard the pitch that the limitations are features for creativity, but I don't buy it. We're living in a golden age of music gear. Limitations are limitations, not positives when there are 5 other pieces that don't have those limits. I keep the thing, but it's rarely in rotation when I can pick up a Deluge, MPC Live, 404mkii or any number of tools that just let me play ball instead of working around their (intentional) hassles.
I mean, for $1300, how tf you not going to have midi support that doesn't require a computer?
@@Andi89699 Currently can't play and sample at the same time. Not a big deal for me, but seems maybe possible in the future. Or flatten a group to a sample would be nice.
I wonder if you'd recorded the keys sample into the D bank, it might not have done the voice stealing so badly? Seems to me that they kinda expect the workflow to be A=Drums B=Bass C=melody D=samples and loops.
Mine of course shipped with broken fader so I've not spent too much time exploring it.
I reckon it might boil down to how willing/able teenage engineering are to develop the firmware. If you look at the novation circuit, it started out with quite a few limitations but novation listened to the community and put years of development into it making it much more flexible. Fingers crossed TE can do the same?
have you tried ep133 together with modular system? just it right now and was kinda of cool :)
For $299 I wasn't expecting it to be as flexible or powerful as an Elektron machine. It's like Teenage Engineering smashed an MPC60 and a Casio VL-TONE together. It seems to be coded to the limits of its processing power.
Ok... the track playing in the background at the beginning of this video. I've heard it here and there on some of your older vids. Can I get a download link or something? Dope 🔥 🔥 🔥
Ricky Tinez is the Bob Ross of producers on CZcams. Respect.
Also TY for that lagato adjustment, I could NOT figure out why I had button lag!
Honestly I feel like a lot of the missing features might be coming later so that they could've made the holiday season release date
The price and polyphony don’t go hand in hand. Not surprised. The lunches are never free.
Not sure if mentioned in any comment, but at the end, jumping out of sound mode is why the stereo icon disappears. It will always show stereo or mono in sound mode.
I think the release issue is the same setting as the 3 different tails you can put in drum samples in the Field
Not sure about this little box, but the song is dope!
This sounds hella dope tho 🔥 🔥 🔥
The step feature I thought was going to kind of tedious and annoying, but honestly it's kind of nice. You can just use the + and - to find exactly what you're looking for in the track. In my opinion it's a really fun and portable device. The limitations though made me spring for an MPC after messing around with the 133 for a while
MPC is menu diving and plugins this is play and go
same here, second hands mpc One are similar price.
Despite all the nuisances of this EP-133, im really liking what im hearing people make from it. Creativity by limitations, or just quick workflow? Btw nice track, reminds me of Kerri Chandler in a way
yea it does have a vibe to it I'll say that. A sample I heard had some trippy distortion with the filter down and it being pitched down. I think little things like that start to stack up and create a pretty decent sound!
@@RickyTinez There’s something just cheerful about the machine. It feels good to play and is inviting
Considering that the sequencer is not powerful, is this still a good machine to record and arrange? I am looking for a sampler sequencer to record all my tracks (bass, voice, drums, synths), surely in an Ableton clip-fashion, and arrange these tracks/clips to make songs. Then I would like to export the tracks to my DAW to do the final cleaning and mixing. I guess the EP-133 isn't for me, right? Thanks!!!
Does anyone know if they are doing a microtonic one of these with that dope voice effect I think it was on the Rik and morty po?I'd would actually prefer to get something like that I already got a sampler or 3
How does time stretching sound on a four bar phrase sample? Bass, strings, etc ?
TIA
But it just sounds gorgeous. Guess the trick is: 2 EP-133 K.O. II (!) 😅
Nice! Still unsure if i should make the decision to drop the cash on this one. But thanks for the video.
Dope beat despite the issues you had, sounds like some Saint Germain stuff!
Damn this was sick. Learned a lot watching this. As someone completely new to all this it can be overwhelming, but it's still fun as hell to jam on! Sick beat
bro track doing FIRE
Man you are so patient with this machine work arounds and inconveniences needs a good firmware update and that still won’t resolve some frustrations in the end built to a price and a cool 80s desktop calculator vibe.