If I may ask, why is it not a copy? I recently read a post on watchuseek that clearly identifies the Alpha as a knock-off as it blatantly copies (or endeavours to copy) the design of the Omega.... even the name “Alpha” is a rather poor attempt at riding on the back of “Omega”, it seems. As far as I understand it, homage watches pay homage to the original while incorporating elements of their own. There are various acknowledged homages, notably also by the Swatch group themselves. I only ask because I am new to watch collecting and am trying to avoid supporting unscrupulous companies. I love the Speedmaster but will never be able to afford one, so am in the market for a legit homage.
It’s rather controversial Eddie and I think “copy” is probably not the best word... the distinction here is really between *replica/knockoff* vs *homage* . There is not doubt that the Alpha has “copied” multiple elements from Omega, but you clearly cannot try to pass this off as the real thing, hence in my book it is still “homage”.
I eat playdoh : Thank you for clarifying. I am just thinking, a fake Rolex may like a Rolex but clearly does not have a Rolex movement. Does that now not still make it a copy? I understand the Alpha looks quite different, but it is pushing theboundaries, in my opinion.
The only things that matter here are performance, durability and value. Words like iconic, history and Omega written on the dial does not equal 25x the price. This coming from a guy who's owned 5 Speedmasters in my life. As I've gotten older and perhaps wiser, I will not pay current prices for high end Swiss watches.
Totally agree - and that's why I own the Alpha Speedmaster and Seamaster. I WOULD like to own a genuine Omega Speedmaster (and yes, I can afford it) - but I just cannot justify the outlay - especially to the wife!
The Speedmaster is a watch I always wanted to own, not for investment but for me to wear and enjoy. About a month ago spoke with an AD and she gave me, seeing I wanted new, and no grey, the wining no coaxial I can pull off, she told me its excellent. While I don't want vintage,, I would consider a recently made model re-owned, clean and with all papers.
This is why I love homage watches, it just gives you an inkling of a feeling of what it would be like to own the real deal. My grandfather left me a Rolex Sub 116610 and he also had a 16750 GMT master Pepsi(that one was sold to pay off their house) and I just love that these watches give you the ability to have fun with them! I swap the Rolie for my Invicta Pro Diver 8926OB depending on the day(I also modified mine to look more like my grandads sub) and value for money is just amazing with the nicer more clean looking Invicta’s. I’ve always wanted to try an Alpha watch out but surprisingly they are hard to come by second hand here in the states. Can’t wait to one day try one!
This is why I love GOOD homage watches. With bad homage watches (like this Alpha), you don’t really get an idea at all. Well, I suppose if you get someone to take a photo of you from 10 feet away and you squint, you get a rough idea of how it looks like on a full length shot :)
Good video and fair comparison. I have a 90s 42mm Speedy with Sapphire. I also have the Alpha and the lowly Pagani V3. Obviously there's no comparison to the quality. When using the crown or pushers, the Omega is 20 times better but for general use as a watch... I'm just not sure. I like the Seagull movement but I don't have the faith in it as I do the 1861. But an extra link for the Omega is almost as much as the Pagani. That is INSANE value! The bracelet on my Alpha wasn't as bad as yours though I wear it on a leather strap with a deployment. I wear the Pagani on a NATO. In my opinion, the Omega is #1, get tha Alpha and replace the bracelet if you want a mechanical chrono on the cheap or get the Pagani if you want the general look.
Well for more than 50x the price the Omega better bloody be #1 or someone needs to be sacked! 😂 If you want a budget mechanical chronograph, I would not recommend the Alpha. There are plenty of watches using that Seagull movement (or a closely related movement) that are aesthetically better.
It is Apple to Orange comparison. It is like comparing Rolex vs Tisell. But I do not agree with you on the value point. you gave 9 & 9, but it should be 25 for Alpha and 1 for Omega. Alpha : 68 -9 (taking out the value point) + 25 (adding 25 point value) = 84 Omega : 94-9+1=86 This is my calculation :+) ha ha ha
Apple vs Orange is not the same as Rolex vs Tisell... you should make up your mind. If you want to go with a 25 point value scale that's fine, but this is 10 point... and 1 for Omega assumes you're getting the same thing as the Alpha, which it is abundantly clear you are not...
I get your point, Alex. Value is where affordable and luxury watch comparisons start to break down. The Alpha is a LOT of watch for $180. Enough that it makes the Speedy look terribly unreasonable and a terrible value. But compare the Speedy to the Daytona. Then the Speedy looks like tremendous value for money. in the end, I got a Speedy, not for monetary value, but for it's high personal value. It's a watch worth handing down to my kids, and they know it's history and their dad's love for the watch. An Alpha... they'd probably just give it away to Goodwill when I'm gone.
I have the Alpha. Other than the odd end lug design/dimensions I think it is the most amazing value. I do not understand how the 5k Omega gets away not having a sapphire crystal and the same w/r of the Alpha. Is this a case of tradition over modern technology?
The Omega is a historic piece... the water rating was not required for what it was purposed for, and there is actually a good reason behind the acrylic - NASA rejected anything with sapphire for risk of shattering in altered or zero gravity. Acrylic is far more difficult to break and will not shatter. If one wishes to have sapphire instead Omega does have a version with that and a display back too.
Very enjoyable video 👍. I got a Mark 40 triple date Speedmaster recently and love it. I tried the professional but it is way too long because of the t shaped end links, at least for my smallish wrist. I also didn't feel overwhelmed when I held it in my hands, while the triple date is a boy dream come true as it was the first Speedmaster I ever saw
Actually drooling over an MK40 currently. Which ref did you get? How do you like it so far? Not sure if should go for the "Ben Clymer" or the classic design.
@@7rslender I got the classic 3520.50 and LOVE IT!! I think it's great value at current prices. The colorful version has gone a bit up in price thanks to a few CZcams channels drooling over it, but luckily I was in love with the regular version so it saved me some money. When I went in to try the Moonwatch, the Mark 40 gave me a feeling of being more expensive. But it's definitely the size that makes it perfect for me.
Curious as to why Alpha didnt use the acrylic crystal? They use acrylic in the Paul Newman watch. I'm just not a fan of mineral crystal. It scratches too easily and theres no way to fix it (as opposed to buffing an acrylic crystal). I would likely purchase one just for fun if it had the acrylic.
Excellent Review and Comparison! My Choice would be the Omega! I also have the Bulova Pilot Lunar with the Citizen Tri-Tuning Fork 262kHz Movement. I have several Bulovas with this movement.
Thanks - I guess it’s not so much about choosing between these two as highlighting difference between a $300 Chinese chronograph copy and the original which costs about 15x as much!
Love my Lunar! The 262 caliber is my exact time reference for all of the others (mostly mechanical) in my collection. Did not know it was a Citizen product.
Thanks Ivan, this was a very informative & interesting comparison. My personal grail is a Omega Seamaster PO Chrono, but this "Moonwatch" is also nice. I am torn regarding Alpha watches, as by most accounts, their homages, such as this one & the Paul Newman Daytona model, among others, are actually very decent quality & good values for the money. I just wish they were slightly less like a "copy".
Would that be the one with in-house caliber 9300? Nice watch, and I hope to be able to review one with that movement sometime! I'm not that familiar with Alpha actually but what you say is consistent with what I've read.
@@PerthWAtch - Thanks Ivan, and yes, the 9300 Co-Axial in-house movement! A true work of art! I'd love to see you review one as well! I've read quite a bit about Alpha quality in articles, but also from friends who've owned them and were impressed with the quality & value for the price. I just wish they were less like a copy & more unique.
I think their relative success is in part owed to the homage nature however... it's great if they can come up successful originals but at least at start it's a safer bet to ride on popular designs...
@@PerthWAtch - Oh, I understand & agree Ivan, it's just that they can pay tribute in design, while somewhat an homage, but also create just enough their own style to separate from watch that inspired it. Like the Orient Mako II, an homage, but still uniquely Orient.
@@PerthWAtch For me the Alpha fits the design very good at a pleasant quality. The mechanical movement and the glas back helps that a lot. As someone working in the forest the Omega is just too delicate to risk it on a daily basis - so the Alpha is just perfect to be worn daily.
I just think it is awesome that there is an affordable handwind chrono that is so similar. I've owned Omegas in the past and love em but could never afford a Speedmaster currently. Also, if I could afford one, I'd probably be afraid to wear it! I'd say put the alpha on a nato strap ditch the bracelet and wear it everywhere you'd be afraid to wear the speedmaster if you could afford it...
Ah that’s an interesting idea and indeed you probably wouldn’t feel to bad if you dinged the Alpha or even outright lost it... but... would you wear it into space??
High contrast! Interesting consideration of the value divide between the real deal and the homage/copy. You pays your money and pick yur pizen, Then there is the Bulova Moon Watch with the high precision quartz movement, somewhat similar styling and a not absurd price point. Or the Russian space program Fortis 42, All ways to appreciate the achievement of spaceflight for the earthbound.
To be honest, I would go for the Ford GT. I live in a EU town were every diamonds dealer drives a Ferrari. I see a lot more Ferrari's than Ford GT's... :-))
That Omega moonwatch gets a value rating of 10 on WOW factor alone! Overall I think you've done a good job with this comparison, but in reality you are comparing a slice of bologna to filet mignon. (However, I still believe that if you change out the strap on that Alpha you could have a very wearable watch)
You're right in some ways... here's the point: some people appreciate an explanation of the differences between a slice of bologna and a filet mignon! ;)
I want to get an Alpha and make a UG Space Compax homage out of it, I have a 1971 Speedy Moonwatch now but it's too precious to be worn daily. That chunky bracelet would be the first to go and replace with a beads of rice.
Great review of the ALPHA a Swiss 1950s Venus movement on which the ST19 Seagull movement is based on is a steal, a previous guy commented putting beads of rice bracelet on this would be a game changer. like many guys here including yourself I collect watches you cant compare it to the Omega I have several in my collection but this Alpha I feel is value for money for a mechanical movement period cheers all the best.
I think the Speedy is a design classic. Unfortunately it's also a classic concerned certain technical aspects. Non hacking movement with 21600 bph. For me that's ok on a SKX for 200.- but not on a "professional moonwatch" going for 5K! I would at least expect it to be hacking. Also the Speedys used by Nasa in the 60s had a lemania based column wheel caliber. So the currently used cal. 1861 (cam lever) is not an uprade, but a downgrade IMHO. If you ask me Omega can't even say "it's the same watch that went to the moon 1969". It's just not. And it's not better than in the 60s. Besides the design aspect I don't see the value. Omega should update the movement. It's already not the same as that one that went to the moon. So at least make it a better one! I went to an AD this weekend just for fun. They are selling the "Saphire Sandwich" for close to 6000.- CHF ... which is just nuts! And then still ... I love the design ... :-)
Thanks for the detailed comment... you raise a lot of good points there. And yes I find the non-hacking nature a strange curiosity, but I guess NASA didn't stipulate that as a requirement (oddly!). And you're right the original caliber 321 was a column wheel movement. Omega later changed this up in the 861 successor (today's 1861 is essentially the same except with Rhodium)... as I recall in my reading the 321 was used in initial 1 or 2 missions, whilst the 861 was used in later moon missions. So yeah, it's not the watch that was first on the moon, but watches with the 861 did go to the moon AFAIK. As for upgrading the movement, well for those who want it there are of course plenty of Speedmasters with modern ones, e.g. the cal 9300 now used in quite a number of models. I reckon as long as this model continues to sell well (and no reason it wouldn't) Omega would be wise not to change it up too much.
7rslender The 321 movement were in the pre moon watches. The caliber that went to the moon was the 861 which was a column wheel. The1861 is just a slightly modernized version of the 861.
861 and 1861 are cam-lever actuated chronographs, NOT column wheel. The 321 was column wheel, and the info I can find indicates this was the caliber that was in the watches worn on the first moon landing in 1969.
The alpha watch website works for me. Looks like $170 for this watch now. I would buy it if it had a sapphire crystal. Speedmaster professional is my grail watch.
Thanks 4 the video. I came across because I don't want to wear my real Speedmaster any more. Want to keep it safe in the closet to prevent damage. So the Alpha is a nice alternative. ;-)
If, say, an ALS L101.1 is the benchmark for a 10, it's hard to see how a mass-produced cam-actuated chrono could be a 9. Ultimately, value is a product of the labor and skill put into a thing, so similarly you have to wonder how a movement like the 1861 that undergoes close QC can be rated so closely to the ST19, which has a shocking defect rate precisely because it isn't QCed much if at all. A fairer assessment would be to rate the 1861 more like a 7 or 8 and the ST16 a 4 or 5, imo. That's not to denigrate the ST16, it is very attractive when new and finding a decorated chrono in a display caseback is shockingly hard. The next up from the ST16 is the 1863 as far as I can tell, and of course you're spending 20 times more, so I do appreciate it, I just think your comparison is a bit of a head scratcher. Also, giving Alpha a 4 for brand seems somewhat charitable considering its obscurity. What would 1, 2 and 3 be?
It's not hard to understand if you take the view that all marking can really only be relative, given that no one (or at least no one I know) has purview over the entire universe of wristwatches. The Lange L101.1 is 10/10 for you only until you come across something you consider better. In this context, these marks are best taken as relative between the two watches being compared. A two point spread between the movements is fair enough. As far brand, well I've heard of Alpha and what they do before I got this watch. A brand that makes a lousier range of watches and which I never heard of would get a lower mark. As would a brand which lies to or deceives customers.
Well when it comes to chronograph as a tool. I went high accuracy quartz with the Certina DS2 chrono and it runs a separate central seconds hand for 100ths of a second. The Certina is arguably more durable than Alpha or Omega. The Certina is beautiful and minimalist as well, COSC quartz +/- 10 spy, $290.
Love you videos and reviews! I'm also in Australia. Was hoping you can kindly offer me your opinion and advice on the most affordable automatic chronograph that has the following specs: - sapphire crystal - clear display case back - tachymetre - approx. 40 mm diameter or more - stainless steel case I'm open to all brands. More after best for value watch with intentions to modify. Would how much would it cost to modify / tailor dial faces to show a bit of the skelton or add you initial/name to the dial? Again, love your reviews. One of fav is your take on the ciga design. You got me thinking about it. :) Thank you!
Thanks for that. If you mean the cheapest auto chronograph you can get with all those features, well I reckon you'd be looking at a Tissot with a Valjoux 7750 movement. As for modding costs, well I'm not really into modding so I don't really know how much that would set you back. Cheers!
I really like the red sweep hand of the alpha, however, be it a bevel or the edge of the crystal, I don't like the sheen/line on the inner edge of the bezel.
Great review I was hesitating between this watch and a 63 sugess panda and it helped me a lot. I've bought the last version with a white chrono hand nearer to the omega and a new band inspired from the 2021 band. Furthermore the back and the case look thinner... I think this watch deserve a new review...
@@PerthWAtch unfortunately I live in Corsica and it already took 10 days to receive it from Lithuania... But I can send you photographies or a short movie..
Thanks for the dual...I love them. The alpha branding is just a total turn off for me. Can you dual the Speedy vs the Undone Sahara dial. That would really interest me! Great job
This bracelet uses the same symmetric links as the ones used in the Tevise T795a Also similar is the polish center links on the out side links but all brushed on the back. This is a beautiful watch. I got mine with the 3 part Presidential bracelet. I have always liked that design. It is only lately that I have seen someone "Borrowing" that pattern as well as the Jubilee bracelet but it has been a lot more common. I am really tempted to go for the colours as well, Green and blue. Dang, if red is only used for the ladies 36mm (Unless I am confused with Phoibos?) Cheers.
Hmm... thank you for the comment, but did you post this on the wrong video? The bracelet on this Alpha (I am assuming you cannot be referring to the Omega!) seems rather different to the Tevise one...
@@PerthWAtch Yes, the Alpha II, at about 11:22 you handle the watch and from the side you can see the links are quite different cut than most divers. Sorry, not the 5 part design, just the 3 part links. The Tevise has polished on the top (The side people see and all are brushed on the back, Except for the end links (That could be brushed with ? 180 to 220 grit paper, you can flip the bracelet and have all brushed. I am always looking at possible customization to make the watch different. You are right about one thing, I am getting confused to often. I m trying to look twice before bothering someone. I did FINALLY got my Parnis and my PX002B Phoibos. and MAN, is it BLUE. brighter than the Invictas and I kinda like it. As for the Mo. No. 1000 Timegrapher. I finally figured out that the order didn't take or something went wrong. I just got one Saturday. Thanks for your time.
@@PerthWAtch c'mon..... Really? The alpha is under 5% as good as the Omega? Sounds like you are justifying spending 8k on a watch when there was a much cheaper alternative. Maybe I am wrong as I own neither.
I didn’t say it is 5% as good, I said “if”. This is open to judgement. As for the pricing, not sure where you got that idea, perhaps you’re confusing this with a Rolex Sub, but the Moonwatch is no where near $8k.
I think definitely not intended to be an exact copy, especially with different functions, but it's hard to construe that every facet where you've intentionally decided to make different ends up being inferior... more likely they simply cannot do it as well. All in all, I can't expect different given it's a fraction of the price. It's ok enough, but there're plenty of flaws and shortcomings as pointed out.
Alpha makes a smaller chronograph. The band is total garbage in my opinion but you can replace that easily. The 30-minute timer is also let down. Not long enough. I do like the movement and manual wind. I have seen Omega moon on the moon watch for 3200 all over the place used. You are also talking Alpha under 200 VS about 3500 dollars on the grey market for the Omega. Depends what you want, the Alpha is affordable for just about anyone and the Omega is not. The Alpha chronographs even the 38mm has a 16mm case thickness which is kind of large and too large I think. Omega Man on the moon is far less than the Rolex Daytona
Thanks for that - haven't reviewed or had a Wancher in hand myself... without exploring further I would have reservations given how close the name sounds to a derogatory term...
Haha sorry, sometimes we forget the little differences in English language across the world! Well, do let me know what you think if you do end up getting one :)
@@23727bgk got a Casio to try if I need one. Looks good but i have small wrist. It's 42mm trying different straps. Will try for a while if I decide to spend more at least I'll know.
I do not agree with the poor grade you have given to alpha as a watch brand... Emho, it is one of the best assian brands, known in any Forum since nearly 3 decades. Though I can understand that some people dont like homages.. Thanks anyway for such a good video.
The value should be 3/10 Omega to 8/10 Alpha. The Alpha and other Speedmaster homage (Phylida Mechanical Chronograph) are affordable. The Omega Speedaster is a grail watch that only very few can afford. I think you let the Omega get away with that...
That’s assuming you get more for your buck with the Alpha compared with the Omega, which is contentious and which many would not agree with. Also, this current model speedy wouldn’t be considered a grail by most - a grail is one which is generally hard to obtain, or rare, or obtainable only by spending an inflated amount (like a Daytona). This model I could still walk into a dealer and buy today (or order with arrival shortly).
No doubting the pedigree of the Moonwatch... although the Chronomat is no baby either and has been around for many years. It doesn't have the special history of the Omega but it's also very recognisable I reckon.
Let's see which watch wins in durability tests....The omega is NASA certified..beating Rolex and many other brands...its not a cheap Chinese watch with a low grade movement.
Perth WAtch The bookmark you're using says "Book Depository" and has a projectile (rocket, in this case) that appears to have a curved trajectory. "Magic bullet" is a term that was made popular after being used in the movie "JFK" and is used by people that don't believe the official story of Kennedy's assassination. It refers to the belief that the path of Oswald's bullets, in reference to where they actually hit, defies physics. And Oswald is said to have been located in a book depository when he took thec shots.
Haha ah ok, didn't realise what you're asking about! Well maybe you can ask Book Depository - if you aren't aware they're a pretty huge company now. The location of the assassin you mention is interesting, however I thought it was mutant named Erik Lensherr? ;)
the only way Alpha could compete with Omega if it was the first watch on Mars. That is the whole point of the Speedmaster. So far it's just a cheap wannabe like Parnis, Tisell, Phoibos etc. Cheap disposable toy watch, but far from being a collectable piece.
Probably pretty safe to say that'll not happen I reckon! Some use it as a "test drive" or to scratch the Speedie itch without having to splurge out. For others it may be their surrogate for a fraction of the price. But yes, it's not really in competition with the real thing.
You really failed to be objective here. Terrible review and too low of a rating for the alpha in most categories. I actually much prefer the higher bezel design of the ass as it protects the protruding Crystal much better than that of the Omega. I will agree that the bracelet endlink being longer on the alpha changes the look of it on the wrist, but not at all how it sits on the wrist. The thick case back is what causes the watch to sit high on the wrist and both have thick case backs. The Omega just incorporates that think case back better by having a more aerodynamical geometry to the design. It's really a negligible difference though, and a 6 for the alpha is for lower than it deserves. I'd give it an 8 at least.
Thanks for your feedback Joshua. I think it's difficult to be completely objective in some of these areas where it's ultimately also quite subjective. You are right in that the overall case thicknesses here are of negligible difference, however my view is that it is predominantly the protrusion of the lugs (and the end link) that makes a MASSIVE difference in how it sits on the wrist... the Alpha sits awkwardly and "high" because of those protrusions - the maximal distance from the skin becomes the distal part of the that end-link. You gotta have these watches in hand to have seen that difference. Whether you give 6 or 7 or 8 for the case mark because of other factors, well that's where the subjectivity can come in. What other category do you think was too low for the Alpha?
Alpha could give that watch away for free and it would still be crushed under your rating system. Consider including a “price” category, and giving the Alpha 20x the points. Would have been rightfully closer. Also, only time I’ve seen plastic crystal score higher than mineral. Fake News!
Appropriately "crushed" under any appropriate rating system I would think! The mark in stated category is for dial and crystal, so I didn't actually mark the acrylic higher. In any case, you could say it ain't just any plastic...
When I first say it I was excited.....you took care of that in a hurry ha ha. Well what about the Bulova for 500 us? Moon watch? Do you ever take Trade Watches or just cash? Thanks again you do good work and I ve seen them all! 👉👍🤪🌎
I guess you know that the Omega Speedmaster is no original design; they copied the design of a Rodania Geometer which was released a few years before rhe Speedmaster. Read more about it here: www.bazamu.com/rodania-geometer/
You're clutching at straws there. Omega had similar 3 register sunk in sub dial chronographs with baton markers before Rodania. The only thing Omega added to their chronograph that is on the Rodania is the 2 lume plots each side of the 12 o'clock marker. Which Omega already had on their field watches. Stowa were already using dots at the side of the 12 marker by 1939. Some designs converge out of necessity which is most likely what happened with the Rodiana and Speedmaster.
@@PerthWAtch Nah. I know the movement very well and its high fail rate. Was doomed to failure when the Chinese started making it. Trash movement, nonsense rating, egotistical content creator can't accept criticism. 🖕
It can indeed cheapen things if done indiscriminately... I do think a column wheel chronograph movement is fair enough to display, and overall if done tastefully it can be a good thing. Think JLC Reverso :)
Thank you for the comments guys. Thank you for sharing your opinion again Dex - I still do recommend you watch videos before commenting, and also recommend you get to know people before making judgments about their motives. There you go, free life hack advise for you! ;)
@@PerthWAtch I don't want to be associated with the common man on the street. My watch is me, and I am my watch. Not some made in China piece of garbage. It looks nearly the same. Off the list you go.
I wear my Speed pro every day, it's for me the most beautiful watch ever designed; and I'm going to buy an Alpha just for fun!
Thanks for sharing that - I think many would be inclined to agree :)
I'll buy an Alpha to keep my Speedmaster safely in the closet. Just don't want to damage it !!
Wow these spruiking posts are getting very coordinated!
captain auvergne You "wear your Speed pro every day"...wow that's nice...I brush my teeth every day!
The Omega will always have a place in my collection.
A deserved place in any collection I reckon :)
Perth WAtch Definitely, although the Alpha for what the cost is, quite spectacular.
Ita a homage not a copy!!! I own both watches, the Alpha is fabulous and oh so accurate
Yes, homage is ok descriptor I think ;)
If I may ask, why is it not a copy? I recently read a post on watchuseek that clearly identifies the Alpha as a knock-off as it blatantly copies (or endeavours to copy) the design of the Omega.... even the name “Alpha” is a rather poor attempt at riding on the back of “Omega”, it seems.
As far as I understand it, homage watches pay homage to the original while incorporating elements of their own. There are various acknowledged homages, notably also by the Swatch group themselves. I only ask because I am new to watch collecting and am trying to avoid supporting unscrupulous companies. I love the Speedmaster but will never be able to afford one, so am in the market for a legit homage.
It’s rather controversial Eddie and I think “copy” is probably not the best word... the distinction here is really between *replica/knockoff* vs *homage* . There is not doubt that the Alpha has “copied” multiple elements from Omega, but you clearly cannot try to pass this off as the real thing, hence in my book it is still “homage”.
Perth WAtch : Excellent .... thanks for the clarification. Awesome channel, by the way!
I eat playdoh : Thank you for clarifying. I am just thinking, a fake Rolex may like a Rolex but clearly does not have a Rolex movement. Does that now not still make it a copy? I understand the Alpha looks quite different, but it is pushing theboundaries, in my opinion.
The only things that matter here are performance, durability and value. Words like iconic, history and Omega written on the dial does not equal 25x the price. This coming from a guy who's owned 5 Speedmasters in my life. As I've gotten older and perhaps wiser, I will not pay current prices for high end Swiss watches.
Thanks for sharing your perspective David... most intriguing.
Totally agree - and that's why I own the Alpha Speedmaster and Seamaster.
I WOULD like to own a genuine Omega Speedmaster (and yes, I can afford it) - but I just cannot justify the outlay - especially to the wife!
The Speedmaster is a watch I always wanted to own, not for investment but for me to wear and enjoy. About a month ago spoke with an AD and she gave me, seeing I wanted new, and no grey, the wining no coaxial I can pull off, she told me its excellent. While I don't want vintage,, I would consider a recently made model re-owned, clean and with all papers.
Thanks for sharing that. My apologies, I don't think I understand your second sentence but I hope you manage to get the watch you are looking for :)
This is why I love homage watches, it just gives you an inkling of a feeling of what it would be like to own the real deal. My grandfather left me a Rolex Sub 116610 and he also had a 16750 GMT master Pepsi(that one was sold to pay off their house) and I just love that these watches give you the ability to have fun with them! I swap the Rolie for my Invicta Pro Diver 8926OB depending on the day(I also modified mine to look more like my grandads sub) and value for money is just amazing with the nicer more clean looking Invicta’s. I’ve always wanted to try an Alpha watch out but surprisingly they are hard to come by second hand here in the states. Can’t wait to one day try one!
This is why I love GOOD homage watches.
With bad homage watches (like this Alpha), you don’t really get an idea at all. Well, I suppose if you get someone to take a photo of you from 10 feet away and you squint, you get a rough idea of how it looks like on a full length shot :)
Good video and fair comparison. I have a 90s 42mm Speedy with Sapphire. I also have the Alpha and the lowly Pagani V3. Obviously there's no comparison to the quality. When using the crown or pushers, the Omega is 20 times better but for general use as a watch... I'm just not sure. I like the Seagull movement but I don't have the faith in it as I do the 1861. But an extra link for the Omega is almost as much as the Pagani. That is INSANE value! The bracelet on my Alpha wasn't as bad as yours though I wear it on a leather strap with a deployment. I wear the Pagani on a NATO. In my opinion, the Omega is #1, get tha Alpha and replace the bracelet if you want a mechanical chrono on the cheap or get the Pagani if you want the general look.
Well for more than 50x the price the Omega better bloody be #1 or someone needs to be sacked! 😂
If you want a budget mechanical chronograph, I would not recommend the Alpha. There are plenty of watches using that Seagull movement (or a closely related movement) that are aesthetically better.
I have both. The Alpha is bigger and chunkier than my 1971 Speedy Pro Moonwatch
The cal 321 is column wheel. The Venus copy is still awesome.
Cal 321 - the original Moonwatch movement - simply legendary!
The seagull st19 also uses a column wheel, and actually used the original tooling for the venus 175 bought by the Chinese in the early 1960s.
@@PerthWAtch The heritage 321 39.7 mm all steel has a hefty 14k€ price tag. Sometimes i wish i was rich.
It is Apple to Orange comparison. It is like comparing Rolex vs Tisell.
But I do not agree with you on the value point. you gave 9 & 9, but it should be 25 for Alpha and 1 for Omega.
Alpha : 68 -9 (taking out the value point) + 25 (adding 25 point value) = 84
Omega : 94-9+1=86
This is my calculation :+) ha ha ha
Apple vs Orange is not the same as Rolex vs Tisell... you should make up your mind. If you want to go with a 25 point value scale that's fine, but this is 10 point... and 1 for Omega assumes you're getting the same thing as the Alpha, which it is abundantly clear you are not...
I get your point, Alex. Value is where affordable and luxury watch comparisons start to break down. The Alpha is a LOT of watch for $180. Enough that it makes the Speedy look terribly unreasonable and a terrible value. But compare the Speedy to the Daytona. Then the Speedy looks like tremendous value for money. in the end, I got a Speedy, not for monetary value, but for it's high personal value. It's a watch worth handing down to my kids, and they know it's history and their dad's love for the watch. An Alpha... they'd probably just give it away to Goodwill when I'm gone.
I have the Alpha. Other than the odd end lug design/dimensions I think it is the most amazing value. I do not understand how the 5k Omega gets away not having a sapphire crystal and the same w/r of the Alpha. Is this a case of tradition over modern technology?
The Omega is a historic piece... the water rating was not required for what it was purposed for, and there is actually a good reason behind the acrylic - NASA rejected anything with sapphire for risk of shattering in altered or zero gravity. Acrylic is far more difficult to break and will not shatter. If one wishes to have sapphire instead Omega does have a version with that and a display back too.
Agree completely. How can a £8k watch ever be called, 'good value'??
Great comparison, Ivan! You can customize Alpha even more by adding speedy-like dials and hands.
Thanks for that Martin - yeah a few others have mentioned the custom options too :)
Cheers! Could you please tell more about this option? How do I order one of these customized?
Very enjoyable video 👍.
I got a Mark 40 triple date Speedmaster recently and love it.
I tried the professional but it is way too long because of the t shaped end links, at least for my smallish wrist. I also didn't feel overwhelmed when I held it in my hands, while the triple date is a boy dream come true as it was the first Speedmaster I ever saw
That's a great watch, thanks for sharing that. Hard to beat childhood nostalgia no matter the merits of another model might be I reckon :)
Actually drooling over an MK40 currently. Which ref did you get? How do you like it so far?
Not sure if should go for the "Ben Clymer" or the classic design.
@@7rslender I got the classic 3520.50 and LOVE IT!! I think it's great value at current prices. The colorful version has gone a bit up in price thanks to a few CZcams channels drooling over it, but luckily I was in love with the regular version so it saved me some money.
When I went in to try the Moonwatch, the Mark 40 gave me a feeling of being more expensive.
But it's definitely the size that makes it perfect for me.
Curious as to why Alpha didnt use the acrylic crystal? They use acrylic in the Paul Newman watch. I'm just not a fan of mineral crystal. It scratches too easily and theres no way to fix it (as opposed to buffing an acrylic crystal). I would likely purchase one just for fun if it had the acrylic.
Good question... I do wonder why! Haven't seen any specific explanation for it myself...
Excellent Review and Comparison! My Choice would be the Omega! I also have the Bulova Pilot Lunar with the Citizen Tri-Tuning Fork 262kHz Movement. I have several Bulovas with this movement.
Thanks - I guess it’s not so much about choosing between these two as highlighting difference between a $300 Chinese chronograph copy and the original which costs about 15x as much!
Love my Lunar! The 262 caliber is my exact time reference for all of the others (mostly mechanical) in my collection. Did not know it was a Citizen product.
Thanks Ivan, this was a very informative & interesting comparison. My personal grail is a Omega Seamaster PO Chrono, but this "Moonwatch" is also nice. I am torn regarding Alpha watches, as by most accounts, their homages, such as this one & the Paul Newman Daytona model, among others, are actually very decent quality & good values for the money. I just wish they were slightly less like a "copy".
Would that be the one with in-house caliber 9300? Nice watch, and I hope to be able to review one with that movement sometime!
I'm not that familiar with Alpha actually but what you say is consistent with what I've read.
@@PerthWAtch - Thanks Ivan, and yes, the 9300 Co-Axial in-house movement! A true work of art! I'd love to see you review one as well! I've read quite a bit about Alpha quality in articles, but also from friends who've owned them and were impressed with the quality & value for the price. I just wish they were less like a copy & more unique.
I think their relative success is in part owed to the homage nature however... it's great if they can come up successful originals but at least at start it's a safer bet to ride on popular designs...
@@PerthWAtch - Oh, I understand & agree Ivan, it's just that they can pay tribute in design, while somewhat an homage, but also create just enough their own style to separate from watch that inspired it. Like the Orient Mako II, an homage, but still uniquely Orient.
Fair point - at a guess I'd say they just didn't have the balls to be more original :)
Owning both I wear the Alpha 90% of the time and my omega for special occasions
Seriously? I find them worlds apart…
@@PerthWAtch For me the Alpha fits the design very good at a pleasant quality. The mechanical movement and the glas back helps that a lot.
As someone working in the forest the Omega is just too delicate to risk it on a daily basis - so the Alpha is just perfect to be worn daily.
Yeah fair enough… I wouldn’t wear it for rough work, but I would wear the Alpha either. Probably opt for a Ball or a G-Shock myself.
I just think it is awesome that there is an affordable handwind chrono that is so similar.
I've owned Omegas in the past and love em but could never afford a Speedmaster currently. Also, if I could afford one, I'd probably be afraid to wear it!
I'd say put the alpha on a nato strap ditch the bracelet and wear it everywhere you'd be afraid to wear the speedmaster if you could afford it...
Ah that’s an interesting idea and indeed you probably wouldn’t feel to bad if you dinged the Alpha or even outright lost it... but... would you wear it into space??
@@PerthWAtch LOL! No, probably not... but then I doubt I'll ever get the chance to fly in anything cooler than a cessna :)
High contrast! Interesting consideration of the value divide between the real deal and the homage/copy. You pays your money and pick yur pizen, Then there is the Bulova Moon Watch with the high precision quartz movement, somewhat similar styling and a not absurd price point. Or the Russian space program Fortis 42, All ways to appreciate the achievement of spaceflight for the earthbound.
Well said, and good alternatives you have brought up there!
Good video. A big first. I was wondering why the Alpha seemed off, but by so many subtleties, and this clears it up.
Thanks man, glad you found this helpful :)
I've been eying the Alphas for quite some time now, thanks for the video. Great job, subscribed for more!
Thanks man, appreciate that feedback! :)
When I watched this, CZcams suggested a trailer for Ford versus Ferrari. No kidding.
Awesome - was it epic? Nearly as exciting as the watch duel? :D
Perth WAtch Trailer looks awesome but this seems more exciting to me.
To be honest, I would go for the Ford GT. I live in a EU town were every diamonds dealer drives a Ferrari. I see a lot more Ferrari's than Ford GT's... :-))
That Omega moonwatch gets a value rating of 10 on WOW factor alone!
Overall I think you've done a good job with this comparison, but in reality you are comparing a slice of bologna to filet mignon.
(However, I still believe that if you change out the strap on that Alpha you could have a very wearable watch)
You're right in some ways... here's the point: some people appreciate an explanation of the differences between a slice of bologna and a filet mignon! ;)
I’ve got both no problems with the Alpha not even with the bracelet
Glad to hear it :)
I want to get an Alpha and make a UG Space Compax homage out of it,
I have a 1971 Speedy Moonwatch now but it's too precious to be worn daily.
That chunky bracelet would be the first to go and replace with a beads of rice.
Sounds like an interesting plan - all the best!
the "strange" moment that the homage looks better than the original
Except... it doesn't ;)
Well, Omega is amazing either ways.
The moonwatch is indeed pretty special :)
Great review of the ALPHA a Swiss 1950s Venus movement on which the ST19 Seagull movement is based on is a steal, a previous guy commented putting beads of rice bracelet on this would be a game changer. like many guys here including yourself I collect watches you cant compare it to the Omega I have several in my collection but this Alpha I feel is value for money for a mechanical movement period cheers all the best.
You CAN compare it to Omega, I did - watch the video for result period all the best 😂
i think the alpha to go for is the "paul newman" daytona one vs the "speedmaster".
Would be interesting to do that comparison and I would sure do it if I have these two watches in hand.
I own the Alpha Newman Daytona and love it. I think it's an outstanding value, and I really enjoy the mechanical chronograph movement.
I think the Speedy is a design classic. Unfortunately it's also a classic concerned certain technical aspects.
Non hacking movement with 21600 bph. For me that's ok on a SKX for 200.- but not on a "professional moonwatch" going for 5K!
I would at least expect it to be hacking. Also the Speedys used by Nasa in the 60s had a lemania based column wheel caliber. So the currently used cal. 1861 (cam lever) is not an uprade, but a downgrade IMHO. If you ask me Omega can't even say "it's the same watch that went to the moon 1969". It's just not. And it's not better than in the 60s. Besides the design aspect I don't see the value. Omega should update the movement. It's already not the same as that one that went to the moon. So at least make it a better one!
I went to an AD this weekend just for fun. They are selling the "Saphire Sandwich" for close to 6000.- CHF ... which is just nuts!
And then still ... I love the design ... :-)
Thanks for the detailed comment... you raise a lot of good points there. And yes I find the non-hacking nature a strange curiosity, but I guess NASA didn't stipulate that as a requirement (oddly!). And you're right the original caliber 321 was a column wheel movement. Omega later changed this up in the 861 successor (today's 1861 is essentially the same except with Rhodium)... as I recall in my reading the 321 was used in initial 1 or 2 missions, whilst the 861 was used in later moon missions. So yeah, it's not the watch that was first on the moon, but watches with the 861 did go to the moon AFAIK. As for upgrading the movement, well for those who want it there are of course plenty of Speedmasters with modern ones, e.g. the cal 9300 now used in quite a number of models. I reckon as long as this model continues to sell well (and no reason it wouldn't) Omega would be wise not to change it up too much.
7rslender The 321 movement were in the pre moon watches. The caliber that went to the moon was the 861 which was a column wheel. The1861 is just a slightly modernized version of the 861.
861 and 1861 are cam-lever actuated chronographs, NOT column wheel. The 321 was column wheel, and the info I can find indicates this was the caliber that was in the watches worn on the first moon landing in 1969.
@@PerthWAtch & Blueshirt Buddah: That's what I love about watches ... the great conversations and the things I can learn! Have a great day guys.
The alpha watch website works for me. Looks like $170 for this watch now. I would buy it if it had a sapphire crystal. Speedmaster professional is my grail watch.
Thanks for the update, I might have to look at the site again...
Thanks 4 the video. I came across because I don't want to wear my real Speedmaster any more. Want to keep it safe in the closet to prevent damage. So the Alpha is a nice alternative. ;-)
Cool! Did you manage to find a place to order one from?
@@PerthWAtch UPDATE 07/23 - yes, but I also bought a Pagani PD1701. Imho looks better than the Alpha one.
Wow this is a very long gap between comments, amazing!!!
If, say, an ALS L101.1 is the benchmark for a 10, it's hard to see how a mass-produced cam-actuated chrono could be a 9. Ultimately, value is a product of the labor and skill put into a thing, so similarly you have to wonder how a movement like the 1861 that undergoes close QC can be rated so closely to the ST19, which has a shocking defect rate precisely because it isn't QCed much if at all. A fairer assessment would be to rate the 1861 more like a 7 or 8 and the ST16 a 4 or 5, imo. That's not to denigrate the ST16, it is very attractive when new and finding a decorated chrono in a display caseback is shockingly hard. The next up from the ST16 is the 1863 as far as I can tell, and of course you're spending 20 times more, so I do appreciate it, I just think your comparison is a bit of a head scratcher. Also, giving Alpha a 4 for brand seems somewhat charitable considering its obscurity. What would 1, 2 and 3 be?
It's not hard to understand if you take the view that all marking can really only be relative, given that no one (or at least no one I know) has purview over the entire universe of wristwatches. The Lange L101.1 is 10/10 for you only until you come across something you consider better. In this context, these marks are best taken as relative between the two watches being compared. A two point spread between the movements is fair enough. As far brand, well I've heard of Alpha and what they do before I got this watch. A brand that makes a lousier range of watches and which I never heard of would get a lower mark. As would a brand which lies to or deceives customers.
Well when it comes to chronograph as a tool. I went high accuracy quartz with the Certina DS2 chrono and it runs a separate central seconds hand for 100ths of a second. The Certina is arguably more durable than Alpha or Omega. The Certina is beautiful and minimalist as well, COSC quartz +/- 10 spy, $290.
Nice watch!
Very fair comparison. Awesome
Thanks :)
Hey! Its (the Omega), is not a column wheel, the Alpha is and a bloody good one too
Do you think column wheel is superior and cam-lever is inferior? Interesting...
Love you videos and reviews! I'm also in Australia. Was hoping you can kindly offer me your opinion and advice on the most affordable automatic chronograph that has the following specs:
- sapphire crystal
- clear display case back
- tachymetre
- approx. 40 mm diameter or more
- stainless steel case
I'm open to all brands. More after best for value watch with intentions to modify.
Would how much would it cost to modify / tailor dial faces to show a bit of the skelton or add you initial/name to the dial?
Again, love your reviews. One of fav is your take on the ciga design. You got me thinking about it. :)
Thank you!
Thanks for that. If you mean the cheapest auto chronograph you can get with all those features, well I reckon you'd be looking at a Tissot with a Valjoux 7750 movement. As for modding costs, well I'm not really into modding so I don't really know how much that would set you back. Cheers!
I really like the red sweep hand of the alpha, however, be it a bevel or the edge of the crystal, I don't like the sheen/line on the inner edge of the bezel.
Yep, I get what you mean!
Great review I was hesitating between this watch and a 63 sugess panda and it helped me a lot. I've bought the last version with a white chrono hand nearer to the omega and a new band inspired from the 2021 band. Furthermore the back and the case look thinner... I think this watch deserve a new review...
How interesting - will you be lending yours for review?
@@PerthWAtch unfortunately I live in Corsica and it already took 10 days to receive it from Lithuania... But I can send you photographies or a short movie..
Thanks for the dual...I love them. The alpha branding is just a total turn off for me. Can you dual the Speedy vs the Undone Sahara dial. That would really interest me! Great job
Thanks for that - glad you enjoyed it :)
This bracelet uses the same symmetric links as the ones used in the Tevise T795a Also similar is the polish center links on the out side links but all brushed on the back. This is a beautiful watch. I got mine with the 3 part Presidential bracelet. I have always liked that design. It is only lately that I have seen someone "Borrowing" that pattern as well as the Jubilee bracelet but it has been a lot more common. I am really tempted to go for the colours as well, Green and blue. Dang, if red is only used for the ladies 36mm (Unless I am confused with Phoibos?) Cheers.
Hmm... thank you for the comment, but did you post this on the wrong video? The bracelet on this Alpha (I am assuming you cannot be referring to the Omega!) seems rather different to the Tevise one...
@@PerthWAtch Yes, the Alpha II, at about 11:22 you handle the watch and from the side you can see the links are quite different cut than most divers. Sorry, not the 5 part design, just the 3 part links. The Tevise has polished on the top (The side people see and all are brushed on the back, Except for the end links (That could be brushed with ? 180 to 220 grit paper, you can flip the bracelet and have all brushed. I am always looking at possible customization to make the watch different. You are right about one thing, I am getting confused to often. I m trying to look twice before bothering someone. I did FINALLY got my Parnis and my PX002B Phoibos. and MAN, is it BLUE. brighter than the Invictas and I kinda like it. As for the Mo. No. 1000 Timegrapher. I finally figured out that the order didn't take or something went wrong. I just got one Saturday. Thanks for your time.
I see what you mean now - thanks for the clarification! :)
Hello, have you been able to compare the Phylida Moonwatch vs Omega?
No, I have not
Liking your channel more and more. Thank you.
Thank you :)
Alpha has one very important and main advantage - the price!
;)
That one perspective for sure... but, if it’s 5% the price of the Moonwatch yet not 5% as good, then I guess it’s no advantage...! ;)
@@PerthWAtch c'mon..... Really?
The alpha is under 5% as good as the Omega?
Sounds like you are justifying spending 8k on a watch when there was a much cheaper alternative.
Maybe I am wrong as I own neither.
I didn’t say it is 5% as good, I said “if”. This is open to judgement.
As for the pricing, not sure where you got that idea, perhaps you’re confusing this with a Rolex Sub, but the Moonwatch is no where near $8k.
@@PerthWAtch The % now is down to 3% depending on where you live.
Good for you! 👍
You man-handle the bejeezus out of watches dude.
What can I say, I love man-handling me watches ;)
maybe the Chinese did NOT want to make an exact copy. Therefor the subtle differences. Is it a good lookalike watch though?
I think definitely not intended to be an exact copy, especially with different functions, but it's hard to construe that every facet where you've intentionally decided to make different ends up being inferior... more likely they simply cannot do it as well. All in all, I can't expect different given it's a fraction of the price. It's ok enough, but there're plenty of flaws and shortcomings as pointed out.
Alpha makes a smaller chronograph. The band is total garbage in my opinion but you can replace that easily. The 30-minute timer is also let down. Not long enough. I do like the movement and manual wind. I have seen Omega moon on the moon watch for 3200 all over the place used. You are also talking Alpha under 200 VS about 3500 dollars on the grey market for the Omega. Depends what you want, the Alpha is affordable for just about anyone and the Omega is not. The Alpha chronographs even the 38mm has a 16mm case thickness which is kind of large and too large I think. Omega Man on the moon is far less than the Rolex Daytona
Thanks for sharing that, accurate details you have mentioned AFAIK. And good to put it in context!
Speedmaster, the first watch to break on the moon. I still like the speedmaster but lets keep things in perspective.
Got it - moon very far away ;)
Thanks for your videos, looking for a chrono, will have to be an homage of sorts. Any thoughts on Wancher watches out of Japan?
Thanks for that - haven't reviewed or had a Wancher in hand myself... without exploring further I would have reservations given how close the name sounds to a derogatory term...
Being in the US had to think what derogatory term, thanks to British TV on our Public Broadcasting I caught on. Still interested in the brand.
Haha sorry, sometimes we forget the little differences in English language across the world! Well, do let me know what you think if you do end up getting one :)
I reviewed a couple of Wanchers at least a year ago. Shockingly poor quality for a Japanese watch imo. Avoid
@@23727bgk got a Casio to try if I need one. Looks good but i have small wrist. It's 42mm trying different straps. Will try for a while if I decide to spend more at least I'll know.
I do not agree with the poor grade you have given to alpha as a watch brand... Emho, it is one of the best assian brands, known in any Forum since nearly 3 decades. Though I can understand that some people dont like homages..
Thanks anyway for such a good video.
Thank you for your thoughts!
Bro you are wrong there is no comparison between Alpha and Omega
Yeah, you might be right... Alpha hands down!! ;)
@@PerthWAtch yes bro
Just tell me the price of Alpha
Aqlakh Shaikh watch the video he gives the price of both
@@Mark-sd7fc thnx bro
Seagull or miyota??
Yes
The value should be 3/10 Omega to 8/10 Alpha. The Alpha and other Speedmaster homage (Phylida Mechanical Chronograph) are affordable. The Omega Speedaster is a grail watch that only very few can afford. I think you let the Omega get away with that...
That’s assuming you get more for your buck with the Alpha compared with the Omega, which is contentious and which many would not agree with.
Also, this current model speedy wouldn’t be considered a grail by most - a grail is one which is generally hard to obtain, or rare, or obtainable only by spending an inflated amount (like a Daytona). This model I could still walk into a dealer and buy today (or order with arrival shortly).
Lume compared?
No comparison at all... the Alpha is a joke!
One’s an absolute icon, one’s not even remotely close.
No doubting the pedigree of the Moonwatch... although the Chronomat is no baby either and has been around for many years. It doesn't have the special history of the Omega but it's also very recognisable I reckon.
How can I buy Alpha watch? Plz help
Check out links I provided :)
Or use google?
Lugs shape of alpha is rather a copy of tag Heuer Carrera than omega speedmaster
If you say so...
The Alpha link works fine, at least today.
Yeah the link I provided is not the original Alpha Watches site though
What is the diamiter of the alpha?
It's copy at 42mm :)
i sorta like the alpha looks wise
Which means you like the Omega too :)
Just goes to show you how over priced luxury watches are.
Haha depends I think, and it's all about context. Considering a $400k Richard Mille puts the Omega into chump change category :)
Let's see which watch wins in durability tests....The omega is NASA certified..beating Rolex and many other brands...its not a cheap Chinese watch with a low grade movement.
"The MSRP is $180"
*Cries in just spent $335 on eBay* 😂😅😭
Price must’ve gone up
@@PerthWAtch I'm in the US and they're harder to find. I bought it through an eBay auction
You purchased on the internet - why did you limit yourself to looking within the US!?
@@PerthWAtch faster shipping honestly. It's a higher price, but the convenience is worth it I feel
Yep. You can’t have it all mate.
обзор часов человеком, который в часах ничего не смыслит
What?
I have a 6 3/4 inch wrist. Would this sit too far over
The Alpha? Yeah I think it would definitely be too large with that lug design.
@@PerthWAtch hmm. I might have to consider putting a nato on it then 😂
If so I would recommend a single pass NATO, and even so I may still look oversize...
Magic bullet reference?
Huh??
Perth WAtch
The bookmark you're using says "Book Depository" and has a projectile (rocket, in this case) that appears to have a curved trajectory. "Magic bullet" is a term that was made popular after being used in the movie "JFK" and is used by people that don't believe the official story of Kennedy's assassination. It refers to the belief that the path of Oswald's bullets, in reference to where they actually hit, defies physics. And Oswald is said to have been located in a book depository when he took thec shots.
Haha ah ok, didn't realise what you're asking about! Well maybe you can ask Book Depository - if you aren't aware they're a pretty huge company now.
The location of the assassin you mention is interesting, however I thought it was mutant named Erik Lensherr? ;)
Great review, now do the Alpha Daytona Paul Newman vs. Rolex Paul Newman!
Would be very very happy to if you would like to loan me yours :)
Perth WAtch The Alpha I can do...
Hear hear anyone who can lend me a Paul Newman for an awesome comparison video!? :)
The Alpha minute hand is too short. Deal breaker
Sounds like slam dunk!
Is it a joke or what?
No
I'll take that Alpha any day over the Omega.
I'm sure many would... homage is not for everyone but it's pretty darn good value ;)
@@PerthWAtch if I made more money I'd rather the Omega, but I try to live within my means.
A wise thing to do I would say!
are you nuts? Omega kills it.
@@algorithm007ify watch snob?
Alpha rules...I have both, could have saved myself thousands....bollocks to all the hype on the Omega, I'm not buying it!
Eh I thought you did buy it? ;)
Haha thanks for sharing the thoughts! :)
the only way Alpha could compete with Omega if it was the first watch on Mars. That is the whole point of the Speedmaster. So far it's just a cheap wannabe like Parnis, Tisell, Phoibos etc. Cheap disposable toy watch, but far from being a collectable piece.
Probably pretty safe to say that'll not happen I reckon! Some use it as a "test drive" or to scratch the Speedie itch without having to splurge out. For others it may be their surrogate for a fraction of the price. But yes, it's not really in competition with the real thing.
You really failed to be objective here. Terrible review and too low of a rating for the alpha in most categories. I actually much prefer the higher bezel design of the ass as it protects the protruding Crystal much better than that of the Omega. I will agree that the bracelet endlink being longer on the alpha changes the look of it on the wrist, but not at all how it sits on the wrist. The thick case back is what causes the watch to sit high on the wrist and both have thick case backs. The Omega just incorporates that think case back better by having a more aerodynamical geometry to the design. It's really a negligible difference though, and a 6 for the alpha is for lower than it deserves. I'd give it an 8 at least.
Thanks for your feedback Joshua. I think it's difficult to be completely objective in some of these areas where it's ultimately also quite subjective. You are right in that the overall case thicknesses here are of negligible difference, however my view is that it is predominantly the protrusion of the lugs (and the end link) that makes a MASSIVE difference in how it sits on the wrist... the Alpha sits awkwardly and "high" because of those protrusions - the maximal distance from the skin becomes the distal part of the that end-link. You gotta have these watches in hand to have seen that difference. Whether you give 6 or 7 or 8 for the case mark because of other factors, well that's where the subjectivity can come in.
What other category do you think was too low for the Alpha?
Alpha could give that watch away for free and it would still be crushed under your rating system. Consider including a “price” category, and giving the Alpha 20x the points. Would have been rightfully closer. Also, only time I’ve seen plastic crystal score higher than mineral. Fake News!
Appropriately "crushed" under any appropriate rating system I would think! The mark in stated category is for dial and crystal, so I didn't actually mark the acrylic higher. In any case, you could say it ain't just any plastic...
I can't spend more than $500 on a watch that I will be wearing. A fool and their money are easily separated.
Must be lots of fools in horology circles then ;)
@@PerthWAtch lol. I was just thinking about buying an $1,800 Casio Oceanus. Ba Da Dum Ching.
When I first say it I was excited.....you took care of that in a hurry ha ha. Well what about the Bulova for 500 us? Moon watch?
Do you ever take Trade Watches or just cash?
Thanks again you do good work and I ve seen them all! 👉👍🤪🌎
Sorry mate, I don’t understand what you’re on about. English please? 👍🤪
You went through a 20 minute video without showing us the wearing them on the wrist even once? Come on.
I showed the wrist shots in both the original reviews - check it out if you want, I didn’t want to take up even more time!
I guess you know that the Omega Speedmaster is no original design; they copied the design of a Rodania Geometer which was released a few years before rhe Speedmaster. Read more about it here: www.bazamu.com/rodania-geometer/
Interesting - your blog?
@@PerthWAtch no sir
You're clutching at straws there. Omega had similar 3 register sunk in sub dial chronographs with baton markers before Rodania. The only thing Omega added to their chronograph that is on the Rodania is the 2 lume plots each side of the 12 o'clock marker. Which Omega already had on their field watches. Stowa were already using dots at the side of the 12 marker by 1939. Some designs converge out of necessity which is most likely what happened with the Rodiana and Speedmaster.
Chinese taikonauts have their own watch brand already waiting for their first manned mission to the Moon. 😬
Taikonauts??
Wow, I hadn't heard of that... thanks for making me aware!
No comparison. None. Speedmaster FAR superior in EVERY way. Why even make this video?
Did anyone watch it? If not then yeah, I probably should take it down ;)
Alpha, à mettre à la poubelle !😂
What
Why are you giving the Sea Gull movement 8 out of 10 😂 It's trash.
Watch video for the answers to this and many other fascinating details ;)
@@PerthWAtch Nah. I know the movement very well and its high fail rate. Was doomed to failure when the Chinese started making it. Trash movement, nonsense rating, egotistical content creator can't accept criticism. 🖕
I think display backs cheapen any watch. It's a fad that needs to go away.
It can indeed cheapen things if done indiscriminately... I do think a column wheel chronograph movement is fair enough to display, and overall if done tastefully it can be a good thing. Think JLC Reverso :)
Unless its a Parmigiani Tonda 1950s or Kalpa Hebdomodaire.
Yep, those too... even more haute horlogerie there!
:)
;)
If you really think the Alpha is better than Omega, your completely wrong. Creating CZcams content just for views? Pfft
Thanks for your comment - however I would suggest watching the video first before writing. Pfft ;)
Did you watch the video?
P.s the whole point is to create content for views 😜
Samuel Ball I agree. But comparing these two watch’s is nonsense
And let’s be real, most people create CZcams videos for money.
Thank you for the comments guys.
Thank you for sharing your opinion again Dex - I still do recommend you watch videos before commenting, and also recommend you get to know people before making judgments about their motives. There you go, free life hack advise for you! ;)
Well that crosses the speedie off the list (: lol.... faaaaaaaak
Hahaha why do you say that??
@@PerthWAtch I don't want to be associated with the common man on the street. My watch is me, and I am my watch. Not some made in China piece of garbage. It looks nearly the same. Off the list you go.
Hmm, not sure I really get what you mean... cross the Alpha off the list then??
@@PerthWAtchit's cool We never went to the moon anyway.
What?? Nooooooo!!! (A la Mark Hamill)