Ranking All of the Mother 3 Battle Themes by Combo Difficulty
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- čas přidán 25. 07. 2024
- Lyra ranks all of the battle themes in Mother 3 by how difficult they were for her to get a 16-hit combo on.
Timestamps:
Intro: 00:00
#53: Back Beat Battle - 00:26
#52: More Mischievous Blues - 00:49
#51: Audacious March - 01:09
#50: Tragic Reconstruction - 01:28
#49: Zombeat - 01:49
#48: Wasteful Anthem - 02:10
#47: Astonishing March - 02:27
#46: Unfounded Revenge - 02:42
#45: Formidable Foe - 02:56
#44: MROB-6270M - 03:10
#43: Intense Guys - 03:22
#42: Dangerous Guys - 03:36
#41: Fight with Mecha Drago - 03:49
#40: And El Mariachi - 04:09
#39: Porky's Porkies - 04:27
#38: Cumbersome Guys - 04:45
#37: Troublesome Guys - 04:58
#36: Mr. Batty Twist - 05:11
#35: Master Porky's Theme - 05:23
#34: Piggy Something - 05:44
#33: Natural Killer Cyborg - 06:11
#32: Rock and Roll (Mild) - 06:29
#31: Accelerondo - 06:41
#30: Stringent - 06:59
#29: Family Matters: 2nd Movement - 07:16
#28: Etude for Ghosts - 07:32
#27: More Audacious March - 07:49
#26: And Yet, El Mariachi - 08:10
#25: More Dangerous Guys - 08:25
#24: Strong One - 08:38
#23: Even More Intense Guys - 08:58
#22: Smashing Song of Praise - 09:17
#21: Mischievous Blues - 09:39
#20: Hustle For Pride - 09:53
#19: Mambo de Battle - 10:08
#18: Mambo de Battle Plus - 10:28
#17: Ode to Ancestors: 8th Movement - 10:49
#16: Dry Guys - 11:15
#15: More Troublesome Guys - 11:31
#14: More Cumbersome Guys - 11:45
#13: GENE163-1425 - 12:04
#12: Rock and Roll (Spicy) - 12:22
#11: Tragic Security - 12:35
#10: Back Beat Battle - Hard - 12:50
#9: Strong One (Masked Man) - 13:07
#8: Fate/Serious - 13:27
#7: Even Drier Guys - 13:51
#6: Tough Zombeat - 14:06
#5: Piggy Guys - 14:32
#4: Absolutely Safe Capsule - 14:51
#3: Toppling March - 15:11
#2: Bothersome Guys - 15:46
#1: Battle Against the Masked Man - 16:06
Outro: 16:36 - Hry
Well, it happened. This is now the most viewed video on my channel! I honestly did not expect so many views all of a sudden, and even though I'm a little late for Thanksgiving, I can say that I'm very thankful for all the support I've gotten on this video. Since I can't make community posts, I'll ask a question here. Should I make another ranking video like this one some time in the future? If so, what should I rank? Ranking videos are fun to make, but I feel like I should get some input before making another. Again, thanks a lot everyone, I really mean it
I don't do this very often but, I really need to tell you..,,Congratulations, you have done an excellent job, and you took the time to make this beautiful video, Thank you very much ^-^7..
...Bro.
For one thing, congrats on landing a combo on every single beat. I've beaten the game, but I couldn't do all of these no matter how much I practiced. This was a great video!
For another... hm, not sure what other rankings you could do. Just concerning Mother 3 stuff, maybe you could rank all enemies and/or bosses by difficulty. Or rank battle songs just by how much you subjectively enjoyed each one, because some are just fine for what they are, and others are legit masterpieces.
I thank you because this helps me figure out how combos even work in this game. Some of these are so hard! And the characters' attack sounds really throw me off...
Thanks so much.
try rank every armor you found
12:14 they added 1st prize from baldi''s basics no way
That awkward moment when you 16-hit combo the Masked Man...
*and you hear applauses in the background*
Those were the pigmasks
And Dr. Andonuts.
That makes me think that fight wasn't real
Or, in the 2nd fight, your collapsed friends and Flint
Comboing the hardest song in the game is worth any applause
Lucas comboing the masked man is hilarious, he didn't even sugar coat it.
Masked Man: Obliterates flint
Lucas: Goes fucking ham on keytar
Battle for not only his life but his brothers' going on
Lucas: MMM THE NOISES ARE MY MUSIC
I always thought “Battle Against the Masked Man” was actually not possible to combo
Technically, you're not supposed to be able to combo him, because of his time signature, and the fact that there's no heartbeat track to practice to, but it's theoretically possible, if you're a beast like this guy lol
You can. But it's only possible to attack combo him after he pummels Flint with PK Love Omegas.
@@The_Eevee_Breeder I don’t think you need to be a beast. Just press the 9th beat and the following ones slightly earlier
I thought you meant the strong one masked man variant 💀
well without save states it is but with save states its not too bad honestly the rythem for me was 1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3 1 i 16 hit combo it twice under 20 minutes its the nerves that are the hardest part to deal with
Fun fact: I passed the game 2 times and never learned how to do a fucking combo
SAME
For me, it's vice versa. The game is hard on my gba, but I once got a 16 combo on Dry guys because it's a funny but serious song that I've internalized
It’s the most entertaining part of the battles lmao
They don't teach it well
4 times for me
I wholeheartedly agree that Bothersome guys is harder than Strong One.
Absolutely true, it's so hard to combo despite besing the very first music of the game, I struggle with fate and serious a lot too, evn though I don't know the difference between them
@@awakening7612 Pretty sure Serious literally adds a total of one note that isn't important when combining whatsoever
@@oneup117gaming4 Serious just adds an extra instrument. The actual heartbeat doesn't change. Actually the bass in the background is actually playing in the same rhythm as the heartbeat in both tracks.
Bro Strong One is easy...
I got it like on my second combo try, on the Barrier Trio.
I appreciate this a lot on account of me being a complete musical ignoramus who wouldn't even know the difference between timpani and tempo, or between beat and rythm. Hearing it broken down by someone with an actual knowledge of music is interesting!
Awww that’s nice of you to say. Glad you enjoyed the video! I don’t have an extensive knowledge of music, but it was fun to combine what I learned in band with my favorite video game!
I wish the character instruments were properly in time, they keep throwing me off
Honestly that’s the hardest part.
Duster's base helped me to combo's a lot more than the others. I just couldn't do any combo's with anyone other than duster.
I would love a Mother 3 rom hack that did just that
Yea idk why there are only 3 combo sounds either, it not only makes 16 hit combos less satisfying but makes combos harder for 80% of the songs due to the way the character instruments adjust for speed. Maybe they didn't have the space for the sound files, the game does push the hardware to its limit in terms of sound design.
@@_lucas_2066 what? Duster was so hard for me fsr
5:12 fun fact, did you know mr batty twist actually has a very slight slowdown? It happens at around the same spot that porky’s porkies does.
Just fact-checked this using the ACTUAL SEQUENCES FROM THE ROM and yes, it's true! I actually never noticed that! The BPM goes from 168 to 158 for a measure, and then returns to 168 again. I thought it was just Porky's Porkies that did this.
I swear I learn something new about this game every day.
wHeRe?!??!?!
Brb for real
Where is the slight sloe down
@@G0NNG_official1360 czcams.com/video/nSCiiDyhOuc/video.html it happens at 0:16
For some reason I've always struggled with Back Beat Battle. I think it's because it kind of has an "off-beat" rhythm that makes it sound like you're trying to go for something else. Anyone else have the same struggle?
back beat battle was the hardest one for me, mainly because i felt like the beat is too slow
I agree it is very unintuitive when listening to it
yes
Me
I mean, it *is* called Back Beat battle
Fun fact! You can actually combo to It Is Finished.
Of course, without hacking this is impossible, but with some pretty simple cheats you can get into an encounter with two foes and have the leader be the Masked Man, which causes It Is Finished to play; then, you just try and combo the other guy.
aynone who does that is a monster
No one expected that one to be number 1
(But I did successfully guess that it played while fighting masked man)
I once got a 8 hit combo in Fate, probably my greatest accomplishment
Me 9 in toppling march
@@adexosdrako5076 Me who got a 16 hit in toppling march: i see this as an absolute win
AND I GOT 9 HIT COMBO IN SERIOUS
I've actually got a 16 hit combo on Fate, it was fairly simple (half an hour of time well spent)
Me with a 15 on Serious
Wow, I can’t believe this video has gotten 400 views in six months. That’s nuts! Thanks for all of the support, guys!
alot of people are fan of mother 3 you know. your commet is 1 year old
My emulator had a problem with audio sync so I had to learn to combo using difficult syncopated offbeats but it was very satisfying to pull off
use mGBA and if your hardware is capable enough, use both Audio and Video sync. It is worth the extra audio crackling (unless it's undoable due to slow hardware)
I hope this makes sense but what I do is move around in the battle menu and hear for the little sound effect it makes, and then match the sound to the beat rather than the button press itself
I was doing some combos of Battle Against the Masked Man, and I learned that the beat for the song actually goes into half time during a distorted version of the love theme for about 16 beats or so. I’m fairly certain this is the only tempo change in the entire song, and only makes the song more difficult if you’re trying to 16-hit combo the song
Also, even after the turn the Masked Man attacks Flint, you’re still able to combo the song until the flashback
Interesting, I did not know that. I just ended up spamming save states to retry the combo on that one turn after Flint gets attacked.
One thing i hate about disscusion of this Fight is that nobody talks about how great of a Storytelling choice it is that Lucas can attack after Claus hurt his dad
Which you as the Player are suppossed to do after all Hinawa tells BOTH Boys to stop fighting!
The idea of Hinawa trying to calm down Claus while Lucas beats his shit to get a 16 hit combo is super funny
@@Videospiel-Man5730
Well tbf the game gives no clear indication that thats the case, plus the fact that Masked Man bombards you with so much damage you're basically pidgeon holled into spamming Lifeup Y for the fight, so chances are barely anyone noticed it
@@funninoriginal6054 Ture i just think its sad that nobody Notices it afterall if im a Gan of a Game I know all sets of Numbers and Lines of Dialouge! Little UT Reffrence here!
This is insanely well put together and ordered, thank you for uploading!
That’s so nice of you to say, thanks!
So essentially the way to win in battles effectively is to learn music theory?
no
It would help to understand rhythm and time signatures specifically
you only need a sense of rhythm i know nothing about music and can pull most of these off
you'd think so but it's really about finding out what the game thinks the beat is, not what the actual rhythm of the song is
This is kind of an old comment so I'll just say that I think at times the combos alternate between rhythm and tempo.
I didn't expected someone having the same opinion on Bothersome Guys as me. Man, for some reason I feel this one is off sync, and pressing the button consistently is actually pretty hard, I think it's the only one I didn't managed to get a 16-hit combo on.
Gotta love how Toppling March is one of the hardest songs to combo, and they gave that song to the Trees.
anyone who has played earthbound lives in fear of trees
I believe in deforestation cuz of these goddamn trees
toppling march is actually pretty easy for me
This video made me realize just how involved the Mother 3 battle system truly is, to such an extent that it almost feels like it came ahead of its time. Your video highlighted the depths in which the combo system truly reaches; informative and descriptive all while clear as to why each song is ranked the way it is. A lovely video to watch!
I had NO idea that you could attack Claus after he wounds Flint, that’s such good storytelling.
Loved the little musical analysis of each song as you described its difficulty. I’ll definitely be using the time signature information the next time I play because I’ve always just tapped my foot to the beat, without actually bothering to count in time
Fate/Serious being right at the top is honestly so fitting. It's the only song I've never 16 hit combod in this game
Eh, I'd say it's quite easy for me
It looks easier to me when you pay attention specifically to the hit effects on the enemy rather than anything else, assuming it keeps repeating that one pattern.
*”you only get one chance to combo the masked man”*
*me with save states:*
6:22 can we appreciate how good duster's bass is in this?
A cool thing is you can see the musical notes actually circling through the cyborg's hands, going through them and even behind his head, it looks cool
Brooo this video is just amazing!! This should have more views.
Incredible job, i always wanted an analysis of this themes
Love how the second hardest to combo is the first boss you battle in M3, whereas the hardest is the very last boss in the _series._
Just got a 6-hit combo on Back-Beat Battle!
I always found Fate/Serious to be one of the easier combos to pull off, the only issue is the VERY LOUD AND OBVIOUS 4/4 percussion at the end of the theme that, despite being the beat, isn't the heartbeat.
easier? dude it looks impossible and like even doing 4 hits is impossible. you are too good at the game if you can do that
@@crispyfries0 it looks worse than it is to play, fate/serious is one of my favourite songs to combo, you just hit 1-2, 1-2-3, 1-2-3-4, 1-2, over and over
@@shadowkilleroid when i played the game i just got 4 hits but its not like i got 16 hits that often
strong one is the only thing that kept me grinding the heftyheads. its just so fun to combo to. also accelerondo and stringent
This is going to be helpful for a lot of people!
Great video, but unfortunately you actually missed 2. However, they actually can only be heard in battle. Specifically A 16-Beat Attack!, and A Marching Attack!, both of which can only be heard when fighting the beaten drum.
He also missed the melody of the 2nd phase of the 2nd Masked Man encounter which is normally impossible to combo
I actually find Mambo De Battle plus really easy, but yea I do agree with Dry Guys holy crap is that hard
Yeah, there’s just something about mambos that always messes me up, even outside of Mother 3. I have trouble staying in time when we play mambos in my school’s band. I guess I’m just cursed lol. Dry Guys is fun once you get the hang of it.
@@four.four.four. i have been trying Dry Guys since i watched the video and i got it twice
Dry Guys is really fun but Even Drier Guys is just ridiculously annoying to combo
The only highest combo I got on back beat battle was 2. and then I violently died to a flying mouse
I remember on my playthru hardly ever getting past like 2-4 with these. BUT I will say playing on a keyboard with a emulator did NOT help most likely. so yeah, I can say this was an aspect of the game I didn't really dive into much. didn't realize at ALL how in depth it can get with timing some of these. even if you don't like the music, you gotta admit it's well composed for the purpose of the game itself.
I like how the final boss theme is difficult to combo for both story and gameplay reasons: not only is it constantly offbeat and discordant, not even your character is able to attack someone so close to them.
if I'm really paying attention, I can pretty consistently get 4 hit combos on almost any piece, but anything beyond that is pretty much outside the scope of my capabilities, idk if my simulator screws up the beat timing a bit or if I just suck in general, but frankly just spamming PK Love n' Freeze seemed to work out ok in the end
wen i played mother never realize others combos than boney's combo because it was the easy to understand and the others instruments some times are too difículd heard then in the midley off the fight
I will surely check this video before a rerun of the game
Thank you so much :3
Interestingly enough, the first combo I got that was more than three was on Bothersome Guys (8-hit). However, when I recently dropped using an emulator and began using an actual GBA for a new playthrough, Mr Batty Twist has been the easiest so far.
For me it's Intense Guys.
@@oneup117gaming4 same
It's insanely satisfying to just listen to this full demo of the mother 3 combo system
As soon as I found out the rhythm for zombeat it because so easy.
My fisrt 16 combo was with kumatura in natural killer cyborg
Rock and Roll (Spicy) is my favorite song to combo to, the tempo change is really satisfying to get, and also it's just a banger. I've listened to it so many times that I mess up on Mild quite a bit because I anticipate the tempo change.
underrated video. needs views.
Good job!
👍
I used to think this combo system was complicated but I was just horrible at keeping rhythm, now its one of my most cherished
No way you're going up to me saying that Back Beat Battle is the easiest theme to combo to.
This game is what helped me understand music when I was younger
This game makes me cry everytime
Accelerondo is the combo in really good at and it’s a lot of fun to do.
This game is amazing
Even Drier Guys was the first song I 16ed, and it's still my favorite to combo to!
New to combos so rn I’m practicing on Back Beat Battle.
13:20 I goes budabudabudaBUDABUDABUDAbudabudabudaBUDABUDABUDA
i saw someone do a 16 hit on ode to ancestors 8th movement on the "dracula" part, it was the most outragous thing ever
back beat battle trips me up every time. i swear to god it changes somewhere in there
*Lucas 16 combos the masked man in the final fight, Kumatora, Boney, and Duster are all still knocked out... The combo is succesful.*
*Flint starts applauding and cheering even though he's about to die from his injuries.*
I disagree with Back Beat Battle, I think the rhythm is really confusing
Same
I super agree with Bothersome Guys(#2). I managed almost every other notes 16 combos quite well but this theme drived me crazy. I feel like it has narrower time for accepting note as valid.
glad to know i’m not the only one 😅
I've never had trouble with either but tbh I feel Back Beat Battle and More Mischievous Blues should be switched bc I know hitting the offbeats can be tricky at first for alot of people and a slightly higher bpm really isn't too important
13:27 #8 was my first 16 hit combo. I always thought of it as: 1 2 - 1 2 3 - 1 2 3 4 - 5 6. But even that took me more than one playthrough to do.
Yea, same. I thought that was probably the most consistent one
That is a really helpful way to label the beat
Audacious march is my favorite one to play in the practice book!
me who does combos on accident by spamming:bruh
I can’t believe it’s already been a year since I released this, and I hit 100 subs today! I love it when things line up like that!
My first 16-hit combo was in tragic recronstrucion with duster
This video inspired me to go for a 16 hit combo on all of the songs and the only one I have left is Battle Against the Masked Man and it's...certainly something
EDIT: Okay it's gonna seem like I'm making this up but right after commenting this I got it by closing my eyes and just trying to do it...
Cómo puedo hacer para que duster toque todos los sonidos de sus ataques...
I know it's too late, but your Even Drier Guys combo is so good. 🤤 Seems to be in C minor, correct me if wrong.
Got the best Lucas Keytar variation, started at the beginning of the measure with 2 beats so the legato could be heard on the next 2 beat measure, AND the melody allowed to finish from a G to a C for resolution. It's beautiful.
it’s never too late! but yeah, it’s nice when the characters’ instruments line up well with the music. your comment was fun to read :)
I was gonna ask how u got the squad to fight mecha draco... and theb remembered the battle memory
that's funny, I can never get back beat battle right cause it's off beat yet I get a 10+ combo on bothersome guys every time
Seriously it's pretty hard I play mother 3 before I never reach a 16 bit combo but you...you did good job....👏
I only got the perfect combo on Accelerondo when it loops and slows down again once.
Most satisfying thing in life
I can’t be the only one who thinks dangerous guys is the easiest right? Also I don’t really struggle with piggy guys
I think it’s easy too. Honestly the first half of the list could go in any order
@@four.four.four. to be fair i think the easiest is astonishing march
I don't know how to combo but I did a 6 combo spamming A in Bothersome Guys. I was surprised but then I returned to the 1 or 2 combo by spamming
Even tho near half of these songs are very similar to existing songs it's crazy this game on the gba has this much variety and rpgs to this day still have extremely repetitive battle themes
Really surprised to see Accelarando so high up, I found it to be one of the easiest
I only did combos by accident.
So cursed to hear Duster’s other combo themes
I never though of Dry Guys and Even Drier Guys as hard themes to combo, and I'm honestly impressed you put Fate/Serious before Even Drier Guys. Also, the guitar in Back Beat Battle also made me confused at first, since it makes you think you should base your combos on the, well... "back" beats, so I wouldn't say it's the easiest theme. Great video, though!
Yeah I noticed a lot of people saying the same thing about Back Beat Battle. It was probably just easier for me because I’m a band kid 🤓 and I usually end up playing the downbeats while other instruments play the up beats so I’m used to that kind of feeling. I feel like the thing that makes Fate/Serious and Dry Guys/Even Drier Guys hard is the instrument sounds because they sound really weird when you combo to a specific rhythm like that.
@@four.four.four. I'm also musically inclined, the confusion with Back Beat Battle was just a first time thing. I still think it's one of the easiest ones :P
And yeah, the instruments DO sound weird with specific rhythms like in those songs, but it didn't affect the difficulty that much for me. I think Fate/Serious is harder because the heartbeat is more complicated and requires faster button presses than Dry Guys and Even Drier Guys (which also makes the instruments sound even weirder than these last two)
Didn't think you would post such an in-depth response to my comment after the video has been out for so long, nice
I have no idea how, but my first ever 16-hit combo was during my second play through with accelerondo playing. I got so hyped lol
I'm good with dry guys because I've played a song with that exact tempo in band class lol
3:28 I think that one is the easiest
I find it funny how you list back beat battle first. I thought it was simple (and…it is), but it’s now become the most difficult song for me to combo, besides battle against the masked man and stuff like that.
Does this have the two that only play when the drum enemy changes the beat and you can't find in Battle Memory because enemies don't act there, I can't find it?
This is really unrelated, but why does Duster's bass sound different in your game?
An older version of the translation patch only had one version of Duster's bass, and there's an updated version that added the others.
@@four.four.four. Oooh? I see!
@@four.four.four. its actually present in the original game too.
@@ender691 The actual bug is that Duster only used one of his several variations of his bass combo sound (this bug was also present in the Japanese version as well oddly enough). The English 1.2 and 1.3 versions and onwards have since fixed this, so all of his bass sounds are audible.
The only time I struggle with bothersome guys is when fighting the Mole Cricket. He apparently has frame perfect timing everything after either the 7th or 10th hit.
Pork Tank was the first Enemy I ever 16-hit comboed. I was so impressed, then watched this video and realised its the third easiest. 😂😂😂
I think Bothersome Guys is too high up in the list, considering it's right next to Toppling March, something I always had trouble with. I would put it closer around 30-39 imo.
I notice you didn't include the 16 beat attack or the marching attack that the drum uses.
You cant combo with thrm
I’m pretty sure you can I just had no way to record it without starting a new file and playing all the way to chapter 4 🫢
I want to do it on Switch soon.
there are 2 24s
I'm interested in the wide array of damage an enemy takes. Like you go from hundreds to single digits pretty quickly sometimes.
13:27 It looks easier to me when you pay attention specifically to the hit effects on the enemy rather than anything else, assuming it keeps repeating that one pattern.
My attempts to do even small combos usually failed, as I think I have zero idea of what tempo is. I usually hit the button way too fast, sometimes 3 times faster than needed
Fun fact: Strong One (Masked Man) is actually in 4/4. The reason it sounds like 29/16 is because of the frequent tempo changes.
The first 16-hit combo I achieved was with Zombeat. I'm gonna need combos more since I'm playing on hard mode and I had to grind for the Flying Mouse in Lighter's house(I kept losing). Then I brute forced my way through the Reconstructed Caribou battle.