I have had a few people ask if the coin the buyer shipped back could be a different coin. Here is a link to the ANACS coin unboxing where I show the coin in the anacs holder. I believe the coin is the same but you guys can compare the 2 and see what you think. Thank you for all of the feedback! czcams.com/video/3lR3B3_BUPY/video.htmlsi=5g5t8iWM4RgWXRmT
Ebay should at least enforce a policy that once a coin is removed from its holder in the original sale (whether by the purchaser or by a grading service), it's considered sold and not returnable for any reason unless it's counterfeit.
@@swilliams937 I agree! Unfortunately, eBay has not really made any effort to regulate the buying and selling of coins on their site and have failed to take this into consideration when a return is initiated. I doubt things will change but I hope in the future sellers will get some protection as well.
I don’t care who EATS IT as long as it’s not the me/the seller. That’s a most unfortunate scenario. However, it’s a valuable and eye opening warning video to other collectors, stackers and hobbyists. 🙏🏽🫡
Best thing to do with all listings is to include a 95% restocking fee with all descriptions on all listings. Happily take the item back, but as long as you have the restocking fee, you'll only lose 5%. It's unlikely scammers will ever buy from you if you have a restocking fee.
Hasn't been an issue so far and over several years. If there's truly anything wrong with whatever I ship..as in not functional or not as described, I'll happily resolve the issue. It's primarily to stop scammers from returning something other than what was shipped (like an empty box or a regraded coin) or claim lost items 3 months after delivery.
had a scammer buy something from me for $850 and then they made up silly things to try to get it for free, which they did. Lots of phone calls for days, had to close my bank account to keep ebay from getting my money. Scammers are sociopaths
I have a lot of decent, return buyers who I stay in contact with, and they are on the up & up, but as far as the coin, when he sent it off, that's on him!
Glad you got your funds back, I’m very familiar with eBay policies as I sell a lot and yes it’s a pain in the arse to deal with eBay when buyers do stupid shit. Good on you for cutting through the bs
I concur. Only sell coins up to a value level that you can absorb as a loss and move-on without being grievously harmed if you get screwed by the other party. Let the big coin dealers take the risks selling really high value coins on eBay. Most won’t. They take the good stuff to H.A., S.B. or Great Collections.
Ebay used to be for private sellers to sell their stuff. Now it is trying to compete with Amazon and failing. Ebay is making itself irrellevant by treating its private sellers like this
Sold in the past years ago, Definitely skewed to the buyer. Only got screwed on one or two sold items out of a couple hundred. Luckily not too much money.
@@jeffkeller9009 that’s pretty fortunate. I think I’m about 5/6 on not getting screwed on sales. I definitely don’t feel comfortable selling expensive coins on eBay anymore.
buyers dont have much to lose, sellers do though, I get scammed from time to time, some are more clever than others, its an enormous taxing waste of time and energy but that's how it goes with ebay, I don't sell expensive items for this reason
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Note: I’ve returned a few graded coins because of either PVC damage (old holders) or missed scratches and cleanings. Doesn’t happen often and I never blame the seller but I do point out that I don’t like how the coin looks in hand compared to the pictures and nicely ask to return it. I also offer to cover return shipping
@@tylonnplatinumthe3rd659 yes, that is definitely the best way of handling a return. This guy was playing games with the coin and then threw it back on me when things didn’t work out.
@@sonnygunz9207 haha yes! I was very fortunate but it was definitely stressful! I’ve definitely learned to not sell high end coins on EBay after this experience!
Thank you for sharing this information,I am glad you got your $$$ back,what a bunch of BS this guy did and Ebay as well, they need to revamp their policies on returns and a few other things like submitting altered photos!!!
Does PCGS cross over from any other company but NGC? If I was sent a different coin than the one I sold. And this includes removal from holder. He would have to eat that one.
@@williamstokes2312 yes, they will actually crossover coins from ANACS and ICG. I agree! I was shocked EBAY initially sided with the buyer. They are terrible at backing the sellers when it’s obvious that the buyer is in the wrong.
To be honest, I’m not sure. They guy that bought my coin had 100% positive feedback with I believe over 700 feedback. My recommendation would be to be weary of those with small feedback and don’t sell high end coins that could hurt you financially if you get scammed.
Hello - I have 3 Morgans all the same date and grade - ANACS - PCGS - NGC - The ANACS and NGC look the same - The PCGS coin is DEFINITELY Over Graded - ALL my Barber half dollar coins are graded by PCGS - some of the G 4 coins look better than the G 6 or VG 8 coins - There are many Morgan VAM's that PCGS with NOT list on the label - Thanks for sharing your story
This is a horrific story. He should ONLY be able to send it back if it is in the ANACS graded holder uncracked. This is what you sold him - the ebay rules are very clear if it is in the holder of the 4 main grading agencies it isn't your problem as a seller with the possible exception of an extremely damaged holder such that the coin is unsealed. Sorry for what happened to you.
@@thisismonitor4099 yes, I agree! Unfortunately, eBay is extremely buyer friendly so you have to keep fighting for them to actually take the time to look at your case:(
@@kevingalusha2210 I don’t believe so. The coin looks pretty much identical to the coin that I had graded but I guess anything is possible. This was definitely a strange situation and a good learning experience for me.
I believe PCGS has 2 different crossover services. One is Straight Cross and the other is Cross at any Grade. First one if they say No Cross, they ship the coin back, as holdered. The second, they reholder at their grade, attribution, error etc. He must have chosen the 2nd.
You might be right. It was weird that it said did not cross but they still put it in their holder. It’s definitely very strange but thank you for the info
@@moriorinvictus haha, yeah. I guess screwed would be better to use. I definitely did get screwed but I’m hopeful I can get the coin back in the holder it was in at some point.
Very fortunate you were able to recover the funds. Coin auctions are a tiny part of ebay so I think the powers there don't see the advantage of improvement. I, as you have along with many others here in the comments have been taken advantage of on ebay. I sold Morgan dollars, Mexican libertabs and other coins for over 10 years on there but came to an abrupt stop a couple years ago. I grew tired of the increasing scammers. On the flip side , I don't understand how some sellers continually get away with noticably deceptive pictures..the name a couple, Morgan Dealer, Auction Kings Rare Coins... I'm sure there's more but I see these two all the time. Lastly, it does no good reporting scam auctions such as fake coins. I bet I've reported over 30 this year and never saw one pulled down.
@@morgansinner thank you for the feedback! Yes, I agree. There are definitely more buyer scammers on eBay but there are definitely some deceptive sellers as well. I believe why auction kings and some others don’t have bad feedback is because they all accept returns with no questions asked and they pay for shipping. I’m sure a fifth of their coins are returned but they make so much on them that the 4/5 that keep them make up for the returns. I’ve had mixed results with reporting fake coins. I feel like multiple people have to report an item to have it taken down unfortunately.
Couldn't you have refused the refund? What if you had spent all the money and had no money to refund the buyer? This buyer assumed all the risk when he sent it to another grading company? I'm glad it worked out for you. Can't be too careful can one? Interesting video, thanks for sharing your expertise and experience.
They basically force you to accept the refund or EBAY will make the decision and if you. I tried to not have him return the coin from the beginning because his reasoning for the return was not true and the pictures he put were the ones from my listing (he said coin was not as described lol) eBay said that if I didn’t accept the return they would make the decision and most likely the buyer would keep the coin and get all of his money back. This is what I mean when sellers have little protection on eBay. It’s crazy!
@@GardenerEarthGuy exactly! There is really no protection from a buyer literally scamming a seller in this manner and most of the time EBAY will still side with the buyer! I feel like they basically automatically give the buyer the benefit of the doubt because there was so much evidence that the buyer of my coin had altered my coin by sending it to PCGS and they still sided with him until I found a eBay help person who actually got my dispute in front of someone who actually took time to go through the evidence. It was a terrible experience for sure!!!
@@jadonnoble5621 I buy off ebay, mostly from coin community forum members- but I'd be scared to sell. People scam and steal and you're vulnerable if you can't put hands on them giving a welcoming to The Human Race.
@@jadonnoble5621eBay does this to wear out the sellers so that they will just give up. eBay does not really want to invest a lot of time and money in resolving disputes. They just declare the buyer the winner 100% of the time and force sellers to jump through endless loops seeking Justice. eBay knows that for most busy sellers TIME=MONEY and so 99% of the time sellers give up and go away. Apparently the geniuses who run eBay don’t really give a shit about churning through sellers as disgusted sellers leave the platform. They also don’t seem to give a shit that the quality and variety of merchandise offered by sellers today is NOTHING like what was available there 20 years ago. All they care about is maximizing their own profits and their quarterly numbers. Sellers can go screw…
@@bobbystark3721 the best place to sell high end coins is in Heritage auctions, great collections and stacks and bowers. They all specialize in selling coins and all purchases are final so you won’t get scammed.
Interesting story and great lessons here all around. I don’t feel bad for eBay one bit about having to eat the $1100 with as much money as they make and outsourcing those jobs to foreign countries like India ect.
@@tylonnplatinumthe3rd659 I agree! eBay hires people that have no idea what they are doing! They just say sorry, we can’t help you. It’s so frustrating the lack of common sense these people have!!!
With ANACS, I bought a 1925-S peace dollar for around $200. I had a feeling the coin had been cleaned since all of the seller's coins were so bright white. When I looked at the coin under a microscope, I could tell it had been cleaned. it looks bright white but there are tiny black stain patches. I don't trust ANACS grading quality and standards. I only do NGC or PCGS, preferably PCGS.
@@timelapse4989 that’s understandable. I’ve had decent luck with ANACS personally. They seem to be really tough on Morgan dollars. I think they are a pretty good option overall but I’ve noticed that all of the grading companies including NGC and PCGS have put straight grades on problem coins. That’s why I buy the coin and the holder when I purchase, not just the holder.
@@shanebailey5237 I think it is the correct coin but you can check my unboxing of the coin in the Anacs submission video that I linked in the comments section. I guess if I resubmit the coin and it comes back different then it might not be the same coin
Your lucky….about 8 years ago Ebay changed the rules giving buyers all the rights and the sellers little if any. Why not resubmit to the ANCS with old label and hope for MS 64. I’m kinda new to coin collecting, but I have 3 comments: 1st Collecting bullion is not coin collecting per se…it’s metal collection; 2nd, the grading system is beyond absurd..purely absurd…these companies are making millions of dollars 3rd, grading coins that are are hundreds of years old is not like grading coins made on a machine and grading coins 2000 years old…crazy….
Thank you for the feedback. I might include the label when I resubmit the coin to Anacs. I haven’t decided yet. eBay has definitely gone to far in favor of the buyers. It makes it to easy for sellers to get scammed. That’s cool that you are getting into coin collecting. There is a lot to learn but it seems like you are learning quick. I like the grading companies but they do have probably to much say in the market. I like them because they make sure your coin is authentic and they usually grade the coin fairly accurately which helps put a value to it.
People collect what they want. PCGS does not put much on a coin label but ANACS does, maybe it's a different coin. I would never pay that kind of money for a Kennedy. CC Morgan would be better. I know people pay $2000 for a 2020 cent or such but it would have to be something really special that you can look and see easily. Just my opinion but if I sold on EBAY I would only sell simple graded coins like he sent back, but I agree this guy should send it back to ANACS and reholder it, EBAY has a lot of problems, that's why I would only sell straight coins, no struck though grease for $1000 extra, I don't know what makes the coin expensive, there are probably only a few people that would mean anything to. I mean no offense, just my opinion. Sorry.
@@americanfortruth all good! I agree! I would rather have a CC Morgan than this no fg Kennedy. I actually found the half dollar coin roll hunting so I had hardly anything into it. What makes it valuable is the no fg designation. It’s the rarest one in the Kennedy series. I’m not sure why it’s worth so much but that’s why I was selling it to begin with lol
@@davidbell9130 yes I agree! Unfortunately since he requested a return due to what he said “the item was not as described” I had to accept the return or I would most likely loose the coin and the money. This is the problem with eBay. They don’t have much protection for the sellers:(
@@jadonnoble5621 ~ That's very unfortunate, but understandable. Gonna resubmit the coin to ANACS for grading? Might as well. Give them the story & copy of the previous label while you're at it ~ if you do. Good luck.
Your making this more difficult than it needs to be. Break the coin out of the pcgs holder and send it back to anacs for reholder service. Problem solved.
@@chrishoward7645 yes, that is the plan. I just have never gotten around to doing it. I’m hopeful I will be able to get the coin regraded by ANACS soon.
I sold a PS3 on eBay many years ago and they claimed it was not as described gutted the whole thing took out the hard drive and put in a bad hard drive and then sent it back really really cheap and underhanded but that was when they had PayPal recently they poured melted plastic on a high-end coin I bought but it didn't affect the bidding at all I still got it for a good deal and I think they put a shield bitter in there and then I complained and then they took the ad down I didn't get ripped off but still it was extremely weird
It was really funny... they thought pouring melted plastic on the coin was going to cover up the wear but it actually caused people to be less for it tell the joke was on them I was the one who took the chance that it was melted plastic and I scraped it off and it was a decent coin. I buy 80% of my stuff on eBay and I don't usually get ripped off on coins I can usually tell before I even make the purchase ....what I do get ripped off on generally are consumer items that you can buy in the store. Beeswax for example they sold me some toxic brew instead of organic beeswax
It’s possible but I checked the coin and it looks very similar to the coin I originally had. I guess when I resubmit the coin we will see if it comes back about the same grade as it was when I submitted it to anacs the first time.
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I have had a few people ask if the coin the buyer shipped back could be a different coin. Here is a link to the ANACS coin unboxing where I show the coin in the anacs holder. I believe the coin is the same but you guys can compare the 2 and see what you think. Thank you for all of the feedback!
czcams.com/video/3lR3B3_BUPY/video.htmlsi=5g5t8iWM4RgWXRmT
Ebay should at least enforce a policy that once a coin is removed from its holder in the original sale (whether by the purchaser or by a grading service), it's considered sold and not returnable for any reason unless it's counterfeit.
@@swilliams937 I agree! Unfortunately, eBay has not really made any effort to regulate the buying and selling of coins on their site and have failed to take this into consideration when a return is initiated. I doubt things will change but I hope in the future sellers will get some protection as well.
eBay would not side with the buyer on this,it is now not in its original condition of sale since he crossed it over
That is 100% correct
I don’t care who EATS IT as long as it’s not the me/the seller.
That’s a most unfortunate scenario. However, it’s a valuable and eye opening warning video to other collectors, stackers and hobbyists.
🙏🏽🫡
I am glad this worked out for you. This is really a good story for all sellers to hear.
@@Ontario100 yes! It was a crazy experience! You definitely need to be careful when selling coins on EBAY as well!
Best thing to do with all listings is to include a 95% restocking fee with all descriptions on all listings. Happily take the item back, but as long as you have the restocking fee, you'll only lose 5%. It's unlikely scammers will ever buy from you if you have a restocking fee.
@@markedfortime very interesting. I will need to look into that. Thanks for the info!
That might stop all buyers from ever buying from you ?
Hasn't been an issue so far and over several years. If there's truly anything wrong with whatever I ship..as in not functional or not as described, I'll happily resolve the issue. It's primarily to stop scammers from returning something other than what was shipped (like an empty box or a regraded coin) or claim lost items 3 months after delivery.
Lots of honest buyers would refuse to buy a coin under such onerous return conditions. That would not be workable.
had a scammer buy something from me for $850 and then they made up silly things to try to get it for free, which they did. Lots of phone calls for days, had to close my bank account to keep ebay from getting my money. Scammers are sociopaths
@@corruptduboiscountyindiana5058 that’s terrible! Yes, eBay does not do a good job protecting sellers. I’m sorry that eBay didn’t side with you:(
I stopped selling on eBay in 2021 bc of the scammers. It's not worth it.
@@trw7300 yes! I completely understand! Sellers seem to have no protection unfortunately:(
I have a lot of decent, return buyers who I stay in contact with, and they are on the up & up, but as far as the coin, when he sent it off, that's on him!
Glad you got your funds back, I’m very familiar with eBay policies as I sell a lot and yes it’s a pain in the arse to deal with eBay when buyers do stupid shit. Good on you for cutting through the bs
@@esurfrider7687 thank you! Yes, it’s crazy how bad EBAY is at protecting the sellers especially when there was so much evidence!
I never sell anything with a value over $200 online because of people like this.
@@user-gw3or5qr3e that’s probably the best thing to do. I definitely won’t be selling expensive coins on eBay anymore.
I concur. Only sell coins up to a value level that you can absorb as a loss and move-on without being grievously harmed if you get screwed by the other party.
Let the big coin dealers take the risks selling really high value coins on eBay.
Most won’t. They take the good stuff to H.A., S.B. or Great Collections.
Ebay used to be for private sellers to sell their stuff. Now it is trying to compete with Amazon and failing. Ebay is making itself irrellevant by treating its private sellers like this
@@doozeybig4130 that is true. I think eBay needs to work on protecting their sellers some as well. That would really help.
thanks for sharing this is a new one to me im glad you were able to get your money back in the end and your coin
@@dizzygiraffescoins1148 thank you! Yes I was fortunate but it was definitely a good learning experience.
@@jadonnoble5621 I can only imagine the frustration you went through
Sold in the past years ago, Definitely skewed to the buyer. Only got screwed on one or two sold items out of a couple hundred. Luckily not too much money.
@@jeffkeller9009 that’s pretty fortunate. I think I’m about 5/6 on not getting screwed on sales. I definitely don’t feel comfortable selling expensive coins on eBay anymore.
buyers dont have much to lose, sellers do though, I get scammed from time to time, some are more clever than others, its an enormous taxing waste of time and energy but that's how it goes with ebay, I don't sell expensive items for this reason
@@moonshinefuel that makes sense. I have definitely learned my lesson not to sell expensive coins on eBay.
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Wow! That is crazy. Can’t believe people. Glad it worked out for you. You’ll have to let us know how your resubmission of that one goes
@@SpokaneSilverStacker thank you! Yes, it was crazy! I will keep you updated on the resubmission
Great that it worked out at the end. Ebay can be problematic at times.
@@M.RInvestorChannel yes it can be! They make things way harder than they need to be just like the government lol
Note: I’ve returned a few graded coins because of either PVC damage (old holders) or missed scratches and cleanings. Doesn’t happen often and I never blame the seller but I do point out that I don’t like how the coin looks in hand compared to the pictures and nicely ask to return it. I also offer to cover return shipping
@@tylonnplatinumthe3rd659 yes, that is definitely the best way of handling a return. This guy was playing games with the coin and then threw it back on me when things didn’t work out.
You lucked out on this one and didn’t even have to pay them a personal visit. That’s definitely a win.
@@sonnygunz9207 haha yes! I was very fortunate but it was definitely stressful! I’ve definitely learned to not sell high end coins on EBay after this experience!
Very unethical of him!
@@bshwin yes! It was very unfortunate that he would do what he did. Fortunately things worked out okay in the end.
This could have been a really bad experience. Glad that it worked out the way it did.
@@Tomscoins2021 thank you! Yes, it could have been really bad! I’m glad that things worked out but it sure was stressful dealing with it!!
Thank you for sharing this information,I am glad you got your $$$ back,what a bunch of BS this guy did and Ebay as well, they need to revamp their policies on returns and a few other things like submitting altered photos!!!
@@genehanson573 I agree! So many buyers can take advantage of sellers at the moment. I doubt they will do anything but I’ve learned my lesson lol
Simple solution never sell to buyers or sellers with less than 50 feedback and or transaction feedbacks
@@user-yl6yy2yj3n yes very true but this guy I believe had around 700 feedback with 100% positive
Does PCGS cross over from any other company but NGC? If I was sent a different coin than the one I sold. And this includes removal from holder. He would have to eat that one.
@@williamstokes2312 yes, they will actually crossover coins from ANACS and ICG. I agree! I was shocked EBAY initially sided with the buyer. They are terrible at backing the sellers when it’s obvious that the buyer is in the wrong.
You can contact the grading company as well & get them to give you the original grade, and I'm glad you got your $
I contacted them and unfortunately, since the coin is not in the original holder they cannot reslab it for me. I will have to resubmit it for grading.
😲😲😲What the fk that's some bullshit.
I have never heard anything like that.
I SELL COINS ON EBAY.
THANKS FOR THE VIDEO.
Yes! It was a crazy experience! eBay definitely needs to work on increasing protection for the sellers!
Great story Are you going to break it out and resubmit to ANACS to see if they will re-grade it?
@@davidsalinas1628 yes, that is the plan. Hopefully it will come back the same grade!
So I've been thinking about selling on eBay. Is there a list of people you don't want to deal with? or is that too mean in other people's eyes
To be honest, I’m not sure. They guy that bought my coin had 100% positive feedback with I believe over 700 feedback. My recommendation would be to be weary of those with small feedback and don’t sell high end coins that could hurt you financially if you get scammed.
Hello - I have 3 Morgans all the same date and grade - ANACS - PCGS - NGC - The ANACS and NGC look the same - The PCGS coin is DEFINITELY Over Graded - ALL my Barber half dollar coins are graded by PCGS - some of the G 4 coins look better than the G 6 or VG 8 coins - There are many Morgan VAM's that PCGS with NOT list on the label - Thanks for sharing your story
@@stevec7712 very interesting! Thank you for the feedback!
This is a horrific story. He should ONLY be able to send it back if it is in the ANACS graded holder uncracked. This is what you sold him - the ebay rules are very clear if it is in the holder of the 4 main grading agencies it isn't your problem as a seller with the possible exception of an extremely damaged holder such that the coin is unsealed.
Sorry for what happened to you.
@@thisismonitor4099 yes, I agree! Unfortunately, eBay is extremely buyer friendly so you have to keep fighting for them to actually take the time to look at your case:(
Is it possible that the buyer used the paperwork from a different coin that didn’t cross over to scam you?
@@kevingalusha2210 I don’t believe so. The coin looks pretty much identical to the coin that I had graded but I guess anything is possible. This was definitely a strange situation and a good learning experience for me.
I believe PCGS has 2 different crossover services. One is Straight Cross and the other is Cross at any Grade. First one if they say No Cross, they ship the coin back, as holdered. The second, they reholder at their grade, attribution, error etc. He must have chosen the 2nd.
You might be right. It was weird that it said did not cross but they still put it in their holder. It’s definitely very strange but thank you for the info
I think "scammed" is the wrong descriptor here. The buyer didn't gain anything. You didn't get scammed, you got screwed.
@@moriorinvictus haha, yeah. I guess screwed would be better to use. I definitely did get screwed but I’m hopeful I can get the coin back in the holder it was in at some point.
Very fortunate you were able to recover the funds. Coin auctions are a tiny part of ebay so I think the powers there don't see the advantage of improvement.
I, as you have along with many others here in the comments have been taken advantage of on ebay. I sold Morgan dollars, Mexican libertabs and other coins for over 10 years on there but came to an abrupt stop a couple years ago. I grew tired of the increasing scammers.
On the flip side , I don't understand how some sellers continually get away with noticably deceptive pictures..the name a couple, Morgan Dealer, Auction Kings Rare Coins... I'm sure there's more but I see these two all the time.
Lastly, it does no good reporting scam auctions such as fake coins. I bet I've reported over 30 this year and never saw one pulled down.
@@morgansinner thank you for the feedback! Yes, I agree. There are definitely more buyer scammers on eBay but there are definitely some deceptive sellers as well. I believe why auction kings and some others don’t have bad feedback is because they all accept returns with no questions asked and they pay for shipping. I’m sure a fifth of their coins are returned but they make so much on them that the 4/5 that keep them make up for the returns. I’ve had mixed results with reporting fake coins. I feel like multiple people have to report an item to have it taken down unfortunately.
Couldn't you have refused the refund? What if you had spent all the money and had no money to refund the buyer?
This buyer assumed all the risk when he sent it to another grading company?
I'm glad it worked out for you. Can't be too careful can one?
Interesting video, thanks for sharing your expertise and experience.
They basically force you to accept the refund or EBAY will make the decision and if you. I tried to not have him return the coin from the beginning because his reasoning for the return was not true and the pictures he put were the ones from my listing (he said coin was not as described lol) eBay said that if I didn’t accept the return they would make the decision and most likely the buyer would keep the coin and get all of his money back. This is what I mean when sellers have little protection on eBay. It’s crazy!
What stops the buyer from keeping the real coin and returning a Temu coin?
@@GardenerEarthGuy exactly! There is really no protection from a buyer literally scamming a seller in this manner and most of the time EBAY will still side with the buyer! I feel like they basically automatically give the buyer the benefit of the doubt because there was so much evidence that the buyer of my coin had altered my coin by sending it to PCGS and they still sided with him until I found a eBay help person who actually got my dispute in front of someone who actually took time to go through the evidence. It was a terrible experience for sure!!!
@@jadonnoble5621
I buy off ebay, mostly from coin community forum members- but I'd be scared to sell.
People scam and steal and you're vulnerable if you can't put hands on them giving a welcoming to The Human Race.
@@jadonnoble5621eBay does this to wear out the sellers so that they will just give up.
eBay does not really want to invest a lot of time and money in resolving disputes. They just declare the buyer the winner 100% of the time and force sellers to jump through endless loops seeking Justice.
eBay knows that for most busy sellers TIME=MONEY and so 99% of the time sellers give up and go away.
Apparently the geniuses who run eBay don’t really give a shit about churning through sellers as disgusted sellers leave the platform. They also don’t seem to give a shit that the quality and variety of merchandise offered by sellers today is NOTHING like what was available there 20 years ago.
All they care about is maximizing their own profits and their quarterly numbers. Sellers can go screw…
Great video! Brand new to your channel. If you wouldn’t sell high end coins on eBay, where would you sell them?
@@bobbystark3721 the best place to sell high end coins is in Heritage auctions, great collections and stacks and bowers. They all specialize in selling coins and all purchases are final so you won’t get scammed.
@@jadonnoble5621 that’s honestly great advice
Great Collections, Stacks-Bowers, or Heritage Auctions.
Interesting story and great lessons here all around. I don’t feel bad for eBay one bit about having to eat the $1100 with as much money as they make and outsourcing those jobs to foreign countries like India ect.
@@tylonnplatinumthe3rd659 I agree! eBay hires people that have no idea what they are doing! They just say sorry, we can’t help you. It’s so frustrating the lack of common sense these people have!!!
So did you get the wrong coin completely or you just mad that it came back graded from a different company not as you had originally had it labeled??
@@Tim99-lg7kn I believe I got the same coin back but I am mad that it is not in the original holder. It basically made the coin worthless.
I'd be pissed too
With ANACS, I bought a 1925-S peace dollar for around $200. I had a feeling the coin had been cleaned since all of the seller's coins were so bright white. When I looked at the coin under a microscope, I could tell it had been cleaned. it looks bright white but there are tiny black stain patches. I don't trust ANACS grading quality and standards. I only do NGC or PCGS, preferably PCGS.
@@timelapse4989 that’s understandable. I’ve had decent luck with ANACS personally. They seem to be really tough on Morgan dollars. I think they are a pretty good option overall but I’ve noticed that all of the grading companies including NGC and PCGS have put straight grades on problem coins. That’s why I buy the coin and the holder when I purchase, not just the holder.
@@jadonnoble5621 believe it or not some coins actually milk AFTER being slabbed expecially your proofs,and that’s what’s really scary
My condolences
Sounds like that's not your original coin to me
@@shanebailey5237 I think it is the correct coin but you can check my unboxing of the coin in the Anacs submission video that I linked in the comments section. I guess if I resubmit the coin and it comes back different then it might not be the same coin
My LCS is run by scammers. I took a 5 oz atb p series in and they claimed they didn't know what it was. Then offered me $80.00
@@magoo6475 wow! That is definitely low compared to what silver is running now. I agree that they were trying to scam you at that price.
Your lucky….about 8 years ago Ebay changed the rules giving buyers all the rights and the sellers little if any. Why not resubmit to the ANCS with old label and hope for MS 64. I’m kinda new to coin collecting, but I have 3 comments: 1st Collecting bullion is not coin collecting per se…it’s metal collection; 2nd, the grading system is beyond absurd..purely absurd…these companies are making millions of dollars 3rd, grading coins that are are hundreds of years old is not like grading coins made on a machine and grading coins 2000 years old…crazy….
Thank you for the feedback. I might include the label when I resubmit the coin to Anacs. I haven’t decided yet. eBay has definitely gone to far in favor of the buyers. It makes it to easy for sellers to get scammed. That’s cool that you are getting into coin collecting. There is a lot to learn but it seems like you are learning quick. I like the grading companies but they do have probably to much say in the market. I like them because they make sure your coin is authentic and they usually grade the coin fairly accurately which helps put a value to it.
People collect what they want. PCGS does not put much on a coin label but ANACS does, maybe it's a different coin. I would never pay that kind of money for a Kennedy. CC Morgan would be better. I know people pay $2000 for a 2020 cent or such but it would have to be something really special that you can look and see easily. Just my opinion but if I sold on EBAY I would only sell simple graded coins like he sent back, but I agree this guy should send it back to ANACS and reholder it, EBAY has a lot of problems, that's why I would only sell straight coins, no struck though grease for $1000 extra, I don't know what makes the coin expensive, there are probably only a few people that would mean anything to. I mean no offense, just my opinion. Sorry.
@@americanfortruth all good! I agree! I would rather have a CC Morgan than this no fg Kennedy. I actually found the half dollar coin roll hunting so I had hardly anything into it. What makes it valuable is the no fg designation. It’s the rarest one in the Kennedy series. I’m not sure why it’s worth so much but that’s why I was selling it to begin with lol
how is this your problem? i dont understand, a buyer can not crack it out no possible or its the buyers problem
@@davidbell9130 yes I agree! Unfortunately since he requested a return due to what he said “the item was not as described” I had to accept the return or I would most likely loose the coin and the money. This is the problem with eBay. They don’t have much protection for the sellers:(
I don't see why ANACS wouldn't just reslabbed for you with original grading??? Why not?
@@acousticshadow4032 I called them and they said if it isn’t in the holder then they can’t reslab it unfortunately.
@@jadonnoble5621 ~ That's very unfortunate, but understandable. Gonna resubmit the coin to ANACS for grading? Might as well. Give them the story & copy of the previous label while you're at it ~ if you do. Good luck.
So you resubmit it and bam you got your coin back plus the money. What am I missing?
@@acousticshadow4032 I’ll probably just submit it for regrading and see what happens. Hopefully it comes back the same grade.
Your making this more difficult than it needs to be. Break the coin out of the pcgs holder and send it back to anacs for reholder service. Problem solved.
@@chrishoward7645 yes, that is the plan. I just have never gotten around to doing it. I’m hopeful I will be able to get the coin regraded by ANACS soon.
I sold a PS3 on eBay many years ago and they claimed it was not as described gutted the whole thing took out the hard drive and put in a bad hard drive and then sent it back really really cheap and underhanded but that was when they had PayPal recently they poured melted plastic on a high-end coin I bought but it didn't affect the bidding at all I still got it for a good deal and I think they put a shield bitter in there and then I complained and then they took the ad down I didn't get ripped off but still it was extremely weird
@@hunterfalck235 yes! That’s crazy! It’s sad how buyers can take advantage of sellers and usually nothing is ever done.
It was really funny... they thought pouring melted plastic on the coin was going to cover up the wear but it actually caused people to be less for it tell the joke was on them I was the one who took the chance that it was melted plastic and I scraped it off and it was a decent coin. I buy 80% of my stuff on eBay and I don't usually get ripped off on coins I can usually tell before I even make the purchase ....what I do get ripped off on generally are consumer items that you can buy in the store. Beeswax for example they sold me some toxic brew instead of organic beeswax
Did he send back a different coin?
It’s possible but I checked the coin and it looks very similar to the coin I originally had. I guess when I resubmit the coin we will see if it comes back about the same grade as it was when I submitted it to anacs the first time.
why would you pay $1000 for that coin?
@@bethanyhealy4989 it’s a rare error coin. I’m not sure why it’s so valuable but people will pay good money for them.
Send it back to PCGS
@@user-ol5sg5ml5k I’m probably going to send it back to anacs because I don’t have a membership to pcgs
Can't hear ya...
@@brandonanderson168 sorry about that. I will try to speak up next video
Sir a have cons 1961 five cents
I would love to buy that anacs/ pcgs 1972 D coin from you as a case study.. venmo? Paypal?..
@@ultrahighreliefcoinrollhun9623 thank you. I’m not sure if I want to sell it but we can talk over email. My email is nobletouchlawn@gmail.com