The Apology of Socrates by Plato
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- Plato's famous record of Socrates' defence against accusations of atheism and corrupting the youth. This speech is well worth your time.
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Someone took the time to record this. What a great world we live in,
I disagree about ur statement that the we live in a great world, my father murderd my mother and killed himself, I was adopted by my mom’s sister that forced me to have sex with her and her friends, I’m pretty sure she was charging people to support a drug habit but by the time I was 13 I was numb to being humiliated and sodomized by grown men (and my aunt) if I wasn’t so much of a pussy I’d kill myself, I’ll never be normal, I’ll never be happy
@@opietaylor5579
It makes me really sad to hear this happened. And it's not wrong to be affected negatively on the level of mental health by repeated trauma - it's just not your fault.
I don't know that things in your life will change in some profound way for the better, but in the mean time, a lot of existentialist philosophers recommend art as replacement for a good life. Life is suffering, they say (I don't necessarily agree), but art, ie music, books, movies, ...; is for some reason able to suspend pain and bring some pleasure without asking you whether your "actual" life is worth living.
All this to say, I hope you find happiness because you matter, and you deserve kindness and hugs and kisses.
@@opietaylor5579 Hey, just saw this comment and wanted to say I'm super sorry this happened to you. To some degree, no one is normal. I'm not trying to say you're just like everyone else for feeling the way you do because what you went through is horrible and uncommon. But what I am trying to say is that as a baseline, we are the same. You're a human just like us and unfortunately bad things happened to you that shaped your perspective on life. But because you're human you have a fighting spirit that can help you overcome impossible obstacles. I know that inside of you is some form of strength that can make you a kind and generous person despite what has been done to you. If you can find the strength to continue living I feel like you would never want to imbue the pain and suffering you've experienced onto others and that would be incredible. I'm not sure if you're religious or not so take this as a metaphor at the least, the devil messed with you in early life and instead of breaking you and making you one of his slaves, he may have just created one of the strongest people to his opposition. I can imagine how you feel, I can imagine how hard it is to want to carry on, but if you do choose to live another day you have a big choice after that. What kind of person do you want to be? A kind one or one that causes suffering. I think I know the answer 😃 I'd be glad to keep talking to you. Message me back.
Disclaimer: I don't know if what I said makes sense. Basically, live another day because I'm sure you have the strength to. And if you chose to live another day, don't stop there, make another choice. Will you be kind or mean? Kindness is harder, but I'm sure nothing is harder than what you went through so I think you can do it.
Fuck. I'm ranting again. Message me back with what you think on this. I'd love to keep talking to you.
@Rodger Flamingsink lol sounds an awful lot like him. Like, exactly.
@@opietaylor5579 so sorry.God is always with you to heal.
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Fvk'3m!!Bro!!
Socrates' defence always reminds me of a quote I once heard:
*"A hero is just a man who knows he is free."*
That sentiment has stuck with me through the years, but its truth only seems to grow the older I get.
Freedom is not fearing the hand of a greater force, not fearing to think or act. Freedom is standing for what you believe even when no one else will.
Socrates does not fear death because he knows he is free, he knows that nothing can ever take that from him.
Protoman was a true hero.
Hope rides alone.
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Ʌrchetype but if your dead how are you free? You’d be nothin at that point.
The jury disagreed
When you’re accused of being the Imposter in Among Us
and they still vote you out
So lame
everyone is in here talking about how beautiful of a work this is, im a chem major listening to it cause i don’t have the strength to read it. y’all don’t understand how much respect i have for you guys
Yesssss. Waa so hard for me to read
"They suppose that they will suffer something terrible if they die. As though they would be immortal if you did not kill them."
Beautiful, are you still alive though ?
@@GOATamania Probably not.
This literally had me crying. For multiple reasons. For one, it's Plato's recollection so I can never know its accuracy. For two, it's a perfect oration in defense of himself... and nonetheless, he was punished.
Far from perfect
It was not really an oration in defense of himself as much as showing accusers their wrongs. If he just wanted to live I'm sure he'd achieve that easily.
More of a "you are all idiots and here's why..." than a defence but perfect is still a good description.
Lol “okay, now that you haven’t sentence me to death, serve me food everyday you bastards!”
🌸 💀
If you must lose your head, why not show how pathetic accusers are, presuming you speak truly.
199 people have disliked it. If the count reaches 280, Socrates dies. Don't you guys get it, even after thousands of years? Stop it.
What a blessing for all the audio learners out there. Thanks for uploading!
Holy shit, I can't believe my high school history teacher showed me this picture but never even hinted at its meaning. What a disgrace
what grade are you in?
this is what I needed for my schoolwork, I'm glad I found this.
"I should be punished with free meals"
Plato's Socrates is such an OG shitlord sometimes and I love it. Though imo they would have let him go (or at least only forced him into exile from Athens) if he had just amicably promised to stop being such a shitlord. Tough to say though, as the other apologies of Socrates by different contemporaries paint a very different story. Thanks for providing this recording in your sexy voice, mister Sargon.
ROFL that comic
Lovin' that shit.
Lmao but, as he implied, it is not in him to change his ways, and would rather die a shitlord, than live a pleb.
He actually had many wealthy friends who offered to pay any fines levied against him. He was even given the option to escape and flee to Crete but preferred, much like Thetis, to die an honorable death than live a bad life.
Im sure he wouldn't have been a shitlord to anyone who didnt assert claims they couldnt prove and try to force them upon others. Makes you wonder who the real shitlords were.
The ending reminds me of "My gods are smiling on me, can you say the same Imperial"
I think it was "ancestors" not gods
I just started studying Socrates yesterday ... this guy sounds like the ultimate badass. The speech is awesome.
Samuel Wallamwce
this apology was written by Plato, though. Socrates never wrote anything
Sad and inspiring at the same time.
Socrates addresses to judge 0:00
The Charges 2:30
The Defense 18:18
The Sentence 32:55
Socrates responds to the sentence 54:02
Thank you
Well considering that in spite of his Apology he was still convicted shows how morally degenerate is the human species. Men of low quality will almost always hate the honest and truthful man. If they really believed in the gods as they claim they would not falsely accuse a just man. This goes on forever.
I believe humans aren't inherently evil, but civilization influences our species in such a way so as to cause instances like these
I agree with your first point but disagree with the notion of this going on forever. After all, there are set patterns, which I enjoy writing and speaking about as the island problem. In such, you have a society, and if you have understood and decent laws of ethics, it will rarely even totter. However, introduction to the island of men, "spirits," and creatures of low quality -- the rot -- will always create issue, and likely cause a fall.
There's both bad, and good in this series of events. The bad, the obvious in decay of society and fall of many seemingly good men who are not as sound of mind is a sad series of events. But, the good is that usually, those forces cannot stretch any further than technology will allow them at a given time. And so, many, and in some cases most even, will evade destruction by knowing what to look for, while attempting to facilitate the removal of other good people. An example being Einstein's leaving Germany, prior to conflict. Another being the DuPonts leaving France (though man scientists and others were unfortunately axed, including the tutor of Irene DuPont, the founder of the company still known today).
On the world scale, as technology increases, ease at which the rot spreads, but it is through women and children that these notions spread fastest. This is in part because of inequalities over history, as well as age and lack of experience and understanding in youth. In the case of women, because of certain histories, and a feeling of being poorly represented, certain ideas, which seem good (such as prohibition) gain enough power to make changes that unfortunately only ended up financially strengthening criminal institution -- though the goal was supposed to be reducing household issues (among other things) which a majority of women never experienced anyway. In children, the lack of understanding, much like not knowing math, easily being swayed towards an "easier" path. For example, the difference between a child who is pushed towards doing head math, versus one who is told to continually use a calculator. But, we see how easily this balloons in the book, Animal Farm, where the youth will actually kill friends of the family because they are told to, regardless of the ethical nature of their parents and their parent's friends.
Now, at a certain point, technology, and understanding, or usury/forced servitude via serpent-like tactics will allow the rot to take what amounts to full control of all people in all places. From there, those like Socrates, and others who promote ethics will be vehemently attacked, and otherwise destroyed -- whether it be through false accusations, supposed drug or alcohol issues, "mental illness," or other means.
The good news for those who are ethical and otherwise sound in mind is that God truly loves them, and so, whether or not some are coaxed via science, or other means away from any number of truths, death is not the end. Now, at this point, some get frustrated with the idea of death and afterlife, however, it is no mistake that any number of texts have survived and otherwise touched the minds and hearts of very specific people. It is no mistake that the island problem works.
The island problem's most basic premises are that:
on three islands, where there are equal numbers of people and resources, the island which has and maintains the most sound ethical principles in all people who are equally eager to move their society, technology, and understanding forward will FAR outpace the second island, where rot is introduced, And, the third island where rot is law (ethics are low/nonexistent).
This is because of a simple premise. If there is one carpenter on the island, and someone steals their hammer, or saw -- whether because they just want it, or to sell, or to melt down into something else -- the lack of communication and the theft, or destruction, ensure that the pace of that particular trade is reduced. Alternatively, on the island where the ethics are strong, and the idea of theft seems beyond only juvenile, there is no reduction in rates. Because of communication, if the hammer or saw is needed for another project temporarily, or otherwise, conversation leads to a plan where in which a schedule is established, and their use and return are facilitated. There, even in the worst case of just wanting those things just so as to have or to destroy, conversation either leads to understanding as to why this is a bad idea, or, it leads to the facilitation or creation of other implements.
In cases were rates of production are not equal, say, if the island of thieves and rot is far larger than the island ethical people, there is still hope, in the sense that like the world, eventually, the whole of is overcome first by the rot, and then something interesting happens. The next overcoming of the world is by things beyond the world and man's grasp. That is, whether you too are a believer in God, or just hypothesize alien life and visitors, the world is no more than an island. But like the various things which slow the rot's spread, this final barrier to the world's progresses and detriments, this last kind of barrier is always kept distant and is far more costly to cross than any wall, river, forest, desert, sea, or ocean. If it were not, plenty of thing with less value would make their way beyond the earth's gravity, and establish themselves there.
Now in the Birth/Life/Death (BLD) test and barriers, a given person will gradually be subjected to various things to see how they will react. I do not mean temptations here, as even the concept of temptations can be alien to some in certain parts of the world -- when we are referring to those things generally considered temptations by the western world. For these reasons, people in history, like Diogenes, seemed to some to suffer great poverty in any number of ways, and yet still was approached by a head of state. The fact that that head of state, if you will, only approached Diogenes when he was very old, and much weaker physically, is indicative of that head of state's position in things over all -- as even if he were younger at the time, those who preceded him, and those who exiled Diogenes certainly defined their places in their own BLDs. The way in which those characters are formed, their builds, are known. Thus, if they were unaware of a given situation, it cannot be held against them, much like a child starving in Africa who you will never meet or see weighs against you far less than a child in your own community starving. If they were aware, but did not understand, their lack of knowledge and wisdom at the time helps define their greater status (kind of like scoring in a game at the end). If a majority of what Diogenes stated was true, and wise, but those leaders opposed it, then it is easily held against them. If then, after death, the decent rest in peace, while the wicked do not rest, then from that perspective it works out as well. I'll stop this quickly growing passage prior to its growing twice as long, even though, given your listening to the writing above means you must be interested in discussions of decency, because a conversation occurred here, and my train of thought was interrupted. Be well!
@@kavinxavier4552 The world system (or civilization) is apart of the influence that corrupts us. But it's also the darkness within us that influences us. By nature, we are children of wrath and it's about to be made manifest publically eventually. For now, we carry out our dark, inherently evil natures in secret...when no one else is looking...or so we are led to believe when we deceive ourselves.
Well it is not known if the apology is a fully accurate account of Socrates' speech. We mainly only know through plato, who may have written a biased account. We do not know.
2,500 yrs after and probably not even 1% of humanity has ever achieved the wisdom of Socrates. Socrates shames us all.
Minor note: apologia and apology are rather different words :). Apologia rather describes someone defending his case against accusers, be it in court or in philosophy.
It still means the same thing.
Nope.
This work cannot be topped. Listening to it sent goosebumps down my spine.
Even after 7 years of this being posted people like me are able to use this to learn. Thank you for making this oration. Also your voice is amazing.
.... very worth your time.
SO very grateful for the upload. Even subscribed as a result!
This is really awesome. To have taken the time to read a record this then to post it for us all to listen to.
I read this in my world literature class and it was one of the best pieces of literature I have ever come across besides the epic of Gilgamesh. Auto-liked this video. Great upload.
Oh sargon how did I not know these existed. Thank you old friend
Great reading Sargon. Hope to see another video soon.
👍
Wouldn't have thought that my uni philosophy course would bring me back to Sargon
thanks for making this available.
Thank you for uploading this!
I was watching some cat videos and THIS showed up as an AD! Go go "fixed" algorithms, but in reality I couldn't turn it off and ended up watching the entire thing instead of continuing to do dishes and laundry. What a channel! Subbed! I would never had found this channel otherwise.
The channels belongs to a bigger channel called Sargon of Akkad, the reader is Carl Benjamin
Your voice is so soothing I am about to fall asleep on the coach at 9 PM!
I remember learning about Socrates in school, essentially: he was very wise, socratic method, yada yada... and he even wrote his own defence speech when he was tried.
that description does not nearly do this justice. From when I learned, I always took it a bit like, "no matter how smart you are, some things you don't know". this is him completely turning every argument against him on it's head before smiling and downing the cup like a boss. how can people make this kind of history boring?
Thank you, Sargon. this made my day that much better.
Keep this channel going Carl of Britain.
Still my favorite version of this
Amazing. Great voice, even better text.
I would give my life to make a video of this speech available on CZcams.
So very well spoken! Thank you very much.
WOW
The more things change..
The more that they don't.
(the more things stay the same)
Carcass heart-work is cool, but I like their earlier (grindcore) stuff.
He was a danger to the system..so the system killed him
orion 2250 ναι ‘tis true
Times havent changed
@@NathanaelKuechenberg ζητά ελλάδα !
I forgot to read this for my philosophy class, and I do t have enough time to sit and read. Lucked out with this one
Hey! My friend Kev is reading this! Bravo!
This is how I want to die
Damn i had to read to this for class a month ago and now i find sargon reading it
lol
i'm learning English, i'm in 3 the highschool and i like listening audiobooks
!Qué bueno! Estudia mucho, es un lenguaje muy rico.
Hello. I understand you! Good work!
Sad, but utterly brilliant. A Greek death haiku of sorts. Thanks!! Thoroughly enjoyed.
Thanks for the reading! Though I've read it, hearing it is an equally enjoyable experience that technically works different parts of the brain.
From the 1:06 minute the speech is universal. Avoinding death it is easily than avoinding unrighteousness. So brave.
The sad thing is... back then "From virtue comes money" was a true statement..
thank you i have trouble retaining information from text sometimes. this helped me study.
Such a genius Socrates was! Too smart for his own good...
Thank you so much for this
Early I was looking to see if you had any of the Republic on this channel (other than the cave), what a nice surprise.
I"d love to hear you read the republic
There is an amazing Librivox recording if you're interested. Really good reader
+Medard Stello sweet. thank you. i read long ago but would much prefer listening to it. I will check it out.
Dirty Dard
Good to know, checking it out. Thanks!
I agree great voice!! am I the only one that heard the laughing and screaming kids?
Touloumba It was Sargon corrupting the youth
Thank you.
I couldn't find the text through the link that you shared. Please share information about the translator so i can download the text as well. Thank you so much for this great read. I just subscribed.
Looking up more stuff to read by Plato and I see this masterpiece.
I click.
Sargon's seductive voice: "The Apology of Socrates, by Plato..."
Me: "Ah shit, here we go again!"
"Seductive". He sounds like a bearded lady.
"Leave aside the manner of my speech"
Oh shit I didn’t know Carl did this, I was just looking up audiobooks on CZcams
Gabriel Keogler I was scrolling through comments for confirmation on this, thank you haha
I read this as a young child and I still believe Socrates to be the person most responsible for what I still believe to this day.
Btw the Democratic party would HATE Socrates
You should do more Platonic dialogues.
Someone photoshop this picture to be a middle finger instead. Thanks.
Thank you Socrates. You helped me more that you will ever know; and you apparently know quite a bit...
OOOOOOOOOH YEAH, gonna jump right on this shit. I always download your ancient recitations onto my ipod and then listen to them in the forest, more atmospheric and meditative that way. Are you a fan of Bertrand Russel Sargon?
I clicked on this specifically to listen to the words of someone who didn't think he was smarter than he was.
The absolute irony of Sarg'n reading as an intellectually humble genius who prized plain-spoken dialectic to rhetoric and appeals to authority, never avoided a discussion or debate, fought against the semantic sophistry of the ecelebs of his day, and when criminally accused of behavior that would now be protected free speech and expression, ultimately accepted the collective judgment of his polis, and in accordance with its laws, went willingly to his death rather than escape.
"Sarg'n, you're not as clever as you think you are" has to be one of the funniest bloodsport moments in history.
Hey Carl, this was advertised. 👍
thank you for this
If only Socrates owned a suit then he wouldn't have been executed.
Please can you do Argonauts of the Western Pacific by Malinowski. Not just because its part of my course or anything...
What. I was just looking this up for my Philosophy class. Who knew it would it would be read by my favorite CZcamsr, Sargon of Akkad.
Is it actually him?
I thought that immediately but second guessed myself. like what are the odds lol.
I have to read Socrates Apology for my Philosophy class and I know it's a long piece, so I decided to listen to the audiobook instead because I don't have time to read it right now xD I got class tomorrow morning
do you have the answers for that worksheet for philosophy?
@@himalayfaldu9868 I had a quiz on it the next day and did meh on it... Since it was late while I watched the video and it was a long one too, I had trouble understanding most of the stuff in this piece cause he talks about so much in it ya know? I got an exam Thursday and my teacher said that a question about Socrates Apology will be in it. Hope I do ok on it lol
Who the fuck dislikes this?
Athenians. :D
Well done more please
Sargon...I know you're not his biggest fan, but Stefan Molyneux has a really wonderful recitation and analysis of "The Trial and Death of Socrates". It's really quite interesting and worth the listen! In many ways, that event completely shaped western thought, yet so few know about it.
Last thing. I do totally get that you guys have different political perspectives. And I believe I once heard you regard him to be sophistic...fair enough. But you're the kind of patient and inquisitive communicator that I could see enjoying a conversation with him. He's done the same Socrates material, and recently put out an analysis of the Fall of Rome and how it relates to where we are now. I could definitely see you guys meshing on such things, and cordially conversing about differences otherwise. Love to hear what you think...
i did not like stephans recitation but i would like to hear a discussion of greek philosophy between these two.
+Sage Bias that would be interesting indeed. They're both History majors too I believe.
That was very illuminating.
thank you.
holy shit who knew Id run into Sargon while taking looking for a audiobook for Plato. honestly I should have seen this coming.
Who is Sargon?
Imagine if Julian Assange came and faced his accusors in this way.
This video only plays in the Chrome browser for some reason.
YES!
MY FAVORITE!
If you listen in headphones with care you can hear Sargon's baby crying from time to time
this is great! where can I find the actual book or pdf? I tried accessing the link in the description but it gave me a "page not found"
just browse plato's apology translated by Hugh Tredennick
I wish these were uploaded on sound cloud. CZcams kills my phone battery :(
Since youtube is using unified audio track for all video tracks now, just set it to lowest quality to save data and battery (rendering) without loss of audio quality. Not that youtubes audio quality is good anyway, but for voice its good enough.
Most savage speech of all time.
Really exact translations matter in catching Socrates's many dodges. The best is the Thomas G West one found in _4 Texts on Socrates_. One of the most interesting interpretations is David Leibowitz's _The Ironic Defense of Socrates: Plato's Apology_. If you can't use them because of the copy right, at least you could get a better idea of how to modulate your voice to help bring out the drama in what Socrates is doing in the text you use.
Thank you! Nice bedtime story.
This was labeled as an Ad on my CZcams Home feed/page. Sargon, please tell me you didnt pay these jerks money, and its a fuck up in their algorithms...
P.S. Love your work!
The final chapter of all who argue against authority.
Well done
Cue the Spongegar meme when I hear this absolute chad's voice where I didn't expect it
This is a different version than i am reading in school. I was trying to follow along but so many words and phrases were different. Although the message is still mostly the same
You know which translation is the one on this audio?
Can you make it into a podcast?
Wow, didn't expect to run into Sargon after all this time when looking up the Apology.
Socrates: the biggest troll in history
Oh god is this really Sargon of Akkad narrating???
Angus Tatchell it is!!! I have spent the whole hour thinking who the hell is it! Cheers
Sounds a lot like him, yes.
Thank you! I thought it was him but saw nothing that would link this channel to him.
I was looking for this question! I now confirm that I was not mistaken.
Nice listen
Did you ever study ancient Greek, Sargon? I'm curious because I took Greek last year, and it's cool when I can relate in ways like that to a CZcamsr I watch.
which translation is this?
HIs voice is driving me up the wall... better to just read it.
What's the name of the painting
Socrates must have married pretty late in his life if two of his sons were still children by the time he went on trial.
As a student of ancient Greek (language and philosophy), let me tell you that in ancient Greece women were nothing. Men were having sex with women only to make children and leave to them their "home" (οίκος). Home was like their pride. But men were usually having sex and make orgys with other men during their gods feasts. Also, an interesting information is that education was a little bit strange during these years in Greece. Teachers (not philosophers-teachers like Plato or sophists) were giving lessons to children and teenagers and they were having sex with them too. Their name in Greek is παιδοτριβες (it sounds like pethotrives ). It's like pedophile,which comes from the word παιδι(pedo) and the word φίλος (phile)
@@Panthiras_Roz Wow so inaccurate. And you claim to be a "student of ancient Greek" or whatever. Romans are those who you are picturing. Greeks did not penetrate during their affairs. And exactly as you said, παιδοτρίβες, comes from child and τρίβω meaning to rub. The most sexy part in Ancient Greece was thighs, so when they would engage in sexual activities, they would rub their penises in between their thighs. Romans though, did they love penetration. Please abstain from spreading false information you have little knowledge on.
@@Panthiras_Roz Reading your name now, I really hope you are not Greek as well.
I would've preferred the original Greek, or at least Akkadian. Seriously, step it up Sargon
As someone who can actually read and write ancient Greek, barely any of this would make sense. So much of the modern translations have tons of transliteration upon the original.
Wait this is Sargon right?
yeah
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Christopher Herodotou yes indeed
Ha ha ha ha, how to talk yourself into a death sentence, best summary ever....awesome