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  • @renejrhodes88
    @renejrhodes88 Před 10 lety +21

    ....allmost mate... but as a soundobsessiv freak pianist I'd like to add some tipps....1.) 2-3kHz is where most samples have the most energy and most agressivness.... if you want a smooth warm sound cut there. 2.) a small highshelf boost from 8-9kHz on enhances those incredible piano harmonics and adds richness without sounding harsh. 3.) Popguys allmos always use highpass and sometimes even lowpass filters. If you want a REAL Piano sound don't use them if it works without... piano is not a midrange instrument.... it has all the frequencies in full. If you must use highpass filters try using ones with 12db/octave or even 6 db/octave slopes. Never use a lowpass filters... 4.) Don't compress the piano.... if the soft parts get lost in the mix use paralell compression if you want to keep a natural realistic sound. A compressed Sound is great too, but far from a realisitc tone.

  • @TomasNiemczykMusic
    @TomasNiemczykMusic Před 2 lety +1

    This video helped me a lot to improve a piano sound and I really appreciate your great work, Graham. I'm happy to find this channel. Thank you so much.

  • @RickyMackie
    @RickyMackie Před 9 lety +19

    Basically cutting the bad harmonics 400hz and 800hz, which are multiples of each other. Then adding back in higher multiples of what was taken out, roughly 1200hz and 6400hz. There's a lot of math you can do with this stuff, but in the end USE YOUR EARS! :)

    • @EricPeelMusic
      @EricPeelMusic Před 6 lety

      Those aren't only ranges of harmonics, they're ranges of frequencies. In the process, he's cutting fundamentals too, and many "good" harmonics as well, if you will. And good and bad instrument and room noise noise. EQ isn't an instrument correction tool. It's a microphone and room correction tool.

  • @MrDonnyAir
    @MrDonnyAir Před 9 lety +14

    I like what he's done here... but I think it's important to mention that it's really very contextual - totally dependent on the song, as well as with the style of the player. On some songs, that lower mid range that he's cut here works well - and there may be times you might not want it as bright as he has here. It's like the difference between McCartney's piano on Let It Be, very soft and warm, in comparison to a Bruce Hornsby track like Mandolin Rain, that has a lot more "attack" to the sound. Both are great, but also very different tonally.
    I think he provides a good place to start here, but you should always let the song and the player determine the sound you need.

  • @MrHapaProductions
    @MrHapaProductions Před 11 lety

    Great tip...I appreciate your use of EQ on this and other videos. It's a breath of fresh air to hear someone use it instead of trying to get complicated with a handful of plugins that usually alter the sound in an artificial way.

  • @Myuu
    @Myuu Před 11 lety +1

    Impressive! Thanks so much. I know that muffled e-piano sound which one of my buddies e-piano has. that's a great solution. thank you so much, Graham!

  • @SriharshaaPrabhakar
    @SriharshaaPrabhakar Před 8 lety +2

    Great Video. What I observed here is there are so many people who are not seeing the positive learning in the video instead finding faults!

  • @GodArmy7711
    @GodArmy7711 Před 7 lety +1

    God has blessed me with your videos, thank you for your commitment helping others such as myself, im definitely growing in my ministry because of this.

  • @mgsg50
    @mgsg50 Před 11 lety

    cant wait to open up some old sessions and work on piano now! thanks!

  • @THEPRODUCESOR1
    @THEPRODUCESOR1 Před 11 lety

    Thank you,Graham...you helped me out a lot with my video. I'm mixing out a song for a video I'm shooting this week and the piano part i had was kind of bland. This definitely helped my song out. My piano sounds real and it's easy for me to mix it with the rest of the instruments. YOU ARE MY MENTOR!!!

  • @jamessanders2007
    @jamessanders2007 Před 11 lety

    Well Done Graham. Small subtle changes to EQ then throwing it in a big room reverb. Very well done sir. Once again, thank you for the reminder of "tastefulness above all"

  •  Před 11 lety

    SUPER useful for me. I've been struggling to get a good sound from a sampled piano, thanks Graham!

  • @xMasterxRazorx
    @xMasterxRazorx Před 11 lety

    Wow, I'm actually surprised by how good that sounded even with the highs cranked up to +12 or whatever. You have a really good ear for frequencies my man.

  • @dg27images
    @dg27images Před 4 lety

    Thanks for this. Have been struggling with a piano-heavy song. This was very much needed.

  • @SyllixMusic
    @SyllixMusic Před 11 lety

    Nice vid Graham. Even on some more expensive piano plugins I own, I find they too still have some of that "fake" sound to them. Definitely gonna give the EQ some love now. Thanks for the tip!

  • @TheSamSamProduction
    @TheSamSamProduction Před 9 lety

    I really like this guy´s style to explain things! Simple and easy to understand! Thank you :)

  • @devongraves8577
    @devongraves8577 Před 11 lety

    I am also familiar with his advise on cutting. It is meant as a guideline but not a rule. I always do both. Cut what is bad and boost what is good when it needs it. If it were a hardfast rule then SSL, Pultec and Neve would not have gain knobs;) Cutting is preferred because boosting induces noise and phase issues, but 3db is really minimal. The only real rule is; If it sounds good, it is good. Break any other rules you need to to get there.

  • @draktsunami
    @draktsunami Před 11 lety

    Very nice! One of the best tutorials I've seen on youtube

  • @ikstephan
    @ikstephan Před 8 lety +8

    Why didn't you record the Korg piano in stereo?

  • @sidsosa5496
    @sidsosa5496 Před 7 lety

    Thanks for making this video Graham. I also really liked your interview on the URM podcast.

  • @JoelEverettComposer
    @JoelEverettComposer Před 9 lety

    Yup, 800 Hz was the first partial of 400 Hz; great tips - very useful; thanks!! Agree with other remarks about the different genres requiring different tonalities; context is always important - what is the source material like and what is the genre in which it is to be placed.

  • @cisko3000
    @cisko3000 Před 11 lety

    This is a good video. Never thought about approaching EQ'ing this way.

  • @jpcarrara
    @jpcarrara Před 11 lety

    God bless Graham, long live to The Recording Revolition! :-)

  • @DebF124
    @DebF124 Před 8 lety +2

    Nice tutorial ... I really learned a lot from this

  • @MrChampion
    @MrChampion Před 11 lety

    Although usually you want to cut sometimes boosting is a good idea. When mixing kick and bass many times mixers will boost lets say 60 Hz on the bass while cutting 60 Hz on the kick while boosting 80 Hz on the Kick and cutting it on the bass. This way the two aren't fighting for frequency room in the mix.

  • @justinbeck4197
    @justinbeck4197 Před 6 lety

    helpful thanks....the one I was working on didn't need much low cut out but it is contextual as the commenter below added.

  • @Barefoot67
    @Barefoot67 Před 11 lety +1

    CLA Unplugged on piano is amazing as well

  • @terminatormunky
    @terminatormunky Před 9 lety +10

    Sampled pianos always tend to sound too bright

  • @snapascrew
    @snapascrew Před 11 lety

    man I haven't recorded in a while and watching this almost made me cry. I need to get back into recording :(

  • @deeviggamuzik3940
    @deeviggamuzik3940 Před 9 lety

    This is a great way to go about mixing a piano, thanks!

  • @lemuelkyleconnell
    @lemuelkyleconnell Před 11 lety

    Awesome video!!!! I've got to tell you, I have been saving up to get the API bundle, but watching you use the SSL it pretty awesome. Got me thinking more...

  • @mdee2581
    @mdee2581 Před 11 lety

    hey man, i just read your comment and believe it or not you just helped me out a lot dude! thx

  • @roelgarcia
    @roelgarcia Před 2 lety

    Thank you for this great tutorial👍🙏

  • @lsw19830
    @lsw19830 Před 6 lety

    Fantacstic, my mix became more and more real!!!

  • @pinkpenguinpoopoo
    @pinkpenguinpoopoo Před 11 lety +1

    Graham, have you heard of pianoverb from PSP? it mimics piano harmonics and has a very unique sound. Add it to a dry piano patch and it can make it sound MUCH more real. its free to download when you make an account on their site too

  • @cs872010
    @cs872010 Před 10 lety

    There is piano preset in SSLG and it gives awesome sound too.

  • @Stuart.Branson.
    @Stuart.Branson. Před 5 lety

    Yes very nice piano indeed. Did you eventually make it stereo or just leave the stereo effect to the reverb ?

  • @MisterNoHead
    @MisterNoHead Před 11 lety

    Really cool ... makes a big difference!

  • @EugeneIlinsMusic
    @EugeneIlinsMusic Před 4 lety

    Hey man, you explain so well. Thanks a lot!

  • @monettyler428
    @monettyler428 Před 4 lety

    great guide, thank you

  • @DihelsonMendonca
    @DihelsonMendonca Před 4 lety

    It´s better, but still sounds plastic. I feel the lack of an "ambience", kind of thing we ever hear on acoustic piano recordings. I´m also strugling to get a good solo electronic piano recording. So far, I use Sonar X3 as DAW and several plugins, but my recordings of solo piano are thin and looks plastic also, looks like mono sound. I´d like I could make it more like an acoustic piano, very warm, more wood, natual, ambience. Some way I could improve the realism a little bit was passing the output sound of my Focusrite Pro 40 thru an analog mixer like Mackie 32/8 which has a great headroom and warm sound and capture the analog result from another computer/interface and so, apply some plugins. Apparently, the THIN problem all these electronic pianos have happens when DAW mixes down to 2 channels and lose harmonics. Any ideas or plugins, compressors, exciters, any other tips ?

  • @EngeniusBeatz
    @EngeniusBeatz Před 10 lety

    This sounds great graham !

  • @doxent
    @doxent Před 11 lety

    Aphex Exciter does great job with pianos too.

  • @rickspyder1
    @rickspyder1 Před 11 lety

    clever clever clever...EQ with your brain and keep the original instrument character in mind
    best little vid ...eee-verrrr

  • @alexholmes1518
    @alexholmes1518 Před 11 lety

    Looks like I have to step up my mixing!

  • @STFXLMNS
    @STFXLMNS Před 11 lety

    not a bad sounding piano!

  • @evolopterus
    @evolopterus Před 11 lety

    What if you used a dynamic EQ? Especially in the mid-high end. Should give it even more life, right?

  • @ChrisJNairn
    @ChrisJNairn Před 8 lety

    Great! Thanks for uploading!

  • @chriswerge
    @chriswerge Před 9 lety

    Very helpful, thanks Graham!

  • @herbiewonder609
    @herbiewonder609 Před 11 lety

    This is so helpful. Thanks!

  • @JPrana
    @JPrana Před 8 lety

    Great tip. Very helpful. Thank you

  • @opensauce
    @opensauce Před 11 lety

    Thanks for the work.

  • @BrianBuckalew
    @BrianBuckalew Před 11 lety

    Excellent!

  • @Garjames1
    @Garjames1 Před 11 lety

    Hi Graham, Thanks for this clip i've been having this issue with my keyboard and samples - Worked a treat! I don't suppose you could post a link to that tune could you it sounds great.

  • @snapascrew
    @snapascrew Před 11 lety

    Graham, you're the shit.

  • @PetSMiLEs27
    @PetSMiLEs27 Před 11 lety

    Sounds fantastic! Do you have tips for sampled drums?

  • @VictorKrottner
    @VictorKrottner Před 9 lety

    I assume you used left and right mono leads into the Daw from the Korg?

  • @iristsh
    @iristsh Před 8 lety

    Thank you for making this..i learnt something =)

  • @BasfreaK2
    @BasfreaK2 Před 11 lety

    Loving the videos :)

  • @Ponpontutuss
    @Ponpontutuss Před 5 lety

    Scope out the nasty stuff. Realness right there

  • @KeemIbarra
    @KeemIbarra Před 11 lety

    great video graham!

  • @unaijesusbolivaruriarte4047

    He didn't explain why or how he used the vcc before the ssl, or the saturator after it. I know the ssl sounds like it did the heavy lifting, but still, we all know a little goes a long way.

  • @Stratomacaster
    @Stratomacaster Před 11 lety

    wow. That was fantastic.

  • @JakobWredstrm
    @JakobWredstrm Před 11 lety

    Amazing! Thanks =)

  • @chrisnofx
    @chrisnofx Před 10 lety

    Thanks!

  • @sonnybrasco9735
    @sonnybrasco9735 Před 4 lety

    Sweet Eqing my friend 👌

  • @TheErow44
    @TheErow44 Před 7 lety

    Good stuff, thanks!

  • @BrandonStonerAEP
    @BrandonStonerAEP Před 7 lety

    Use this trick all the time

  • @Typhoon792
    @Typhoon792 Před 11 lety

    Hey, so I've been running into this often and I simply don't know, what is the difference between the SSL E and G channel?

  • @the_unique_kulique
    @the_unique_kulique Před 2 lety

    Could anyone please tell me how to master a sampled piano ??? I ve been finding videos for it but no one has touched that topic

  • @ef28525
    @ef28525 Před 7 lety

    great tuturial man

  • @Magikjimmey
    @Magikjimmey Před 6 lety

    Awesome!

  • @KocaMetallec
    @KocaMetallec Před 11 lety

    And here the theory "Cut rather than boost" falls in the water ;)

  • @Pablosan94
    @Pablosan94 Před 11 lety

    Hey Graham, what piano sample are you using here?
    Thanks!

  • @MrPsarp
    @MrPsarp Před 7 lety

    Yes sir,how do you convert track like this piano track to stereo?

  • @jreaper5000000
    @jreaper5000000 Před 11 lety +2

    to be fair i preffered the piano when you said "it sounded boxy and fake" to me it sounded deep and sexy.the real sound at the end is anoiying to the ears.to put much thought on realism...put it instead on how you want it to sound.but hey each to their own.and what do i know i'm not on tv speaking so i mean nothing as an entity.

  • @CalmBefore6
    @CalmBefore6 Před 10 lety

    is that high filter a shelf?

  • @NoodleStudioRecords
    @NoodleStudioRecords Před 11 lety

    Superb vid captain thanks

  • @MrYodaone902
    @MrYodaone902 Před 9 lety

    Hey graham could you possibly do some tips on mixing,eq'ing rhodes keys or do the same principles of frequency bands apply?

  • @antonbrabant9929
    @antonbrabant9929 Před 6 lety

    Good stuff

  • @TruthDefender
    @TruthDefender Před 3 lety

    it would be better to show this as graph EQ than just numbers

  • @ThaSound
    @ThaSound Před 3 lety

    BINGO!

  • @Dweeno
    @Dweeno Před 7 lety

    yes bro

  • @VooDooEf
    @VooDooEf Před 11 lety

    nice, thx for the tip

  • @mdee2581
    @mdee2581 Před 11 lety

    very cool

  • @devongraves8577
    @devongraves8577 Před 11 lety

    That is a very funny post because Graham is quite the Christian. Sometimes even Satan needs some mixing tips though:)

  • @AmpsforBuddha
    @AmpsforBuddha Před 11 lety

    Everyone has heard a real piano. Dirty your piano up. That is what's going to separate you from others. Do something different. Pay attention to your fav songs and see if their piano sounds "real". …Great Video!

  • @GeetarAdam
    @GeetarAdam Před 11 lety

    There are no "rules" in mixing. Only "guidelines". =)

  • @moristar
    @moristar Před 11 lety

    Looks like I need another headphones - heavn't noticed almost no difference.

  • @WildernessMusic_GentleSerene

    The raw sample sounds horrible because you recorded it in mono. The stereo sample would have been 10x superior in quality. Since the mix was piano heavy and up front the stereo recording would have sounded great. All great sample patches are recorded in stereo, if you don't use them you get a piano that sounds like a toy.

    • @RasheedKhan-bm8fm
      @RasheedKhan-bm8fm Před 8 lety +1

      If he recorded in stereo and summed it up to mono for mixing, it would sound WORSE. Take it from someone who mixing piano from a keyboard regularly and has done both. The hardest part in mixing sampled piano is getting it to sound good in mono. So even if it sounds great in mono, there's literally a 100% chance it sounds like crap in mono.

    • @WildernessMusic_GentleSerene
      @WildernessMusic_GentleSerene Před 8 lety

      Yes, mix down with mono is just as bad, better to record in mono and use a delay and modulated reverb to breath life back into it. But the piano should be stereo through out the recording process, mix and master.

    • @RasheedKhan-bm8fm
      @RasheedKhan-bm8fm Před 8 lety

      +Jenny Last you're missing the point. Mixing in stereo is a horrible idea. Do that, and trust me, if you sum that up to mono, it sounds like shit. Again, please don't argue with that, I've actually done both. If it never happened to you, it just means you mixed in stereo really well.

    • @RasheedKhan-bm8fm
      @RasheedKhan-bm8fm Před 8 lety

      +Jenny Last in my experience, adding reverb makes it sound even muddier, you're gonna have to work hard with the EQ if you do that

    • @dbo7826
      @dbo7826 Před 7 lety

      Aarcvard Kray or just EQ the reverb..

  • @fingerbob74
    @fingerbob74 Před 11 lety

    Sounds horrible before and after!