A Quick Look at the 5700G and 5600G: How Much Does Going dGPUless Hurt You?
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- čas přidán 2. 08. 2024
- AMD Ryzen 5700G and 5600G are here! Heres what we think!
5700G: www.amd.com/en/products/apu/a...
5600G: www.amd.com/en/products/apu/a...
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this is the 1st vid ive seen with this guy. I love how unapologetically nerdy he is. If you read this mate, know that I love it. Cheers from Aus
nerdy.
we don't use that word in PC building community.
@@harryshuman9637 I meant no disrespect. Please know that I veil myself in nerdism everyday and take pride in it.
I love watching this guy! ☺️👌💖
Ausome
@@camotech1314 weird...i just love to listen
I always appreciate the extra computing ideas from a seasoned techie.
The “APU” “Simpsons” intro joke is classic dad joke 🥰🥳🤯🎉😜🤪🤦🤦♀️😂
Wendell I love your style. Having a shit day, and sitting back and just listening to your calm dry humor, helps me chill my man. Thanks!
I bought this to build a lab for multiple VM's for information security trainings. I can run 4-5 VM's without the fan even speeding up and switch between them with minimal lag, and still have a great experience. What powerful machines are capable of today, is just astounding. My first ever PC was a super-hot Pentium 4, and how far we've come.
I've just got a 5700G, setup in a fanless case. It's great, though I haven't really stressed it yet. I enjoyed the end of your comment - my first PC was a 386SX, and I can really relate to how far we've come! The SX 386 didn't have a maths co-processor, and simply adding a co-processor chip later on was a big step forwards.
Started out on an IBM Portable PC. I never thought I'd see 4K screens on my desk. On one pc.
VM's are great as well.
Mine was a surplus Commodore PET from a school. With a 300 bps acoustic modem, and a tape drive. Gawd I feel old.....
Great review. Everyone else I've watched is comparing it to graphics cards and complaining. At least you understand the use case! Personally I'm building a work computer with it (Based on the inwin B1) that will enable me to work for years to come.
ahhhh the soothing sound of technology. Thanks for this one Wendel.
Good review, and nice attention to details like the power plan. Not many users knows about it!
Ordered a 5700G. With current availability of parts in general, I liked the idea of having a spare desktop PC available for general office use, media consumption, Band In A Box. I have a spare Silverstone FARA R1 (small ATX tower) available that I plan to use. Still need to select a motherboard. Thinking I might wait until W selects a MB.
love this video, thank you! confirms what I was thinking, been looking at 5700x/5800x and then I found the 5700g. its a no brainer while I wait and see how things shake out with all the new gpus launching right now. especially at todays pricing - as tempting as ryzen 7000 is, I just cant justify the premium today when I can grab a 5700g/b550 board, and 32gb ddr4 3200 ram all for $500.
I did the same thing bud, but let me know what you did on the ram part. I wanna go 32GB ram also but I've heard we can use 3600mhz ram bro. Why not shoot for the CL14 3600mhz pricey but maybe worthy?
Gotta love the Unity code on the background screen!
Yeah looks like it is for an FPS haha. Love that
:D exactly what I thought before scrolling down the comments!
More easy to come by and just as impressive as all the funny custom OS animations from hollywood. Nothing better than color-coded raw code to tell people "I'm smart, listen to me" :)
Awesome that you could drop one of these into a build & still have a reasonable gaming experience then drop in a dgpu later on for higher end gaming. Of course initially you'd have to consider going a little overkill on the power supply but that's not a huge deal
Another benefit is multi-monitor set ups, just connecting one to dGPU allows AMD GPUs to lower memory clock, which saves about 30w which is a massive increase to idle power load.
I sort of did this during the previous wave of overpriced GPUs. I bought the 2200G when I built my PC back in early 2018, which was a bargain even then for £100. It has 8 Vega 8 CUs, same as the 5700G, but clocked lower although there may be some IPC improvement as well I'm not sure. You can overclock the 2200G iGPU to about 1400MHz and I have seen the 5600G clocked to 2500MHz (up from 2000MHz base).
2200Gs are going for about $70-80 second hand on Ebay so for the same price as a 5700G you could have a 2200G and a 5600X. The 5600X is better than the 5700G for gaming with a dedicated GPU (see hardware unboxed videos), although you would need to get by with the 2200G which is possible in E-Sports titles (I played mostly world of tanks and war thunder).
Since I have upgraded in late 2019 to a Ryzen 5 2700, I have a bunch of parts laying around including the 2200G and I want to build it into something but I have no idea what lol. I just need a motherboard but I would rather avoid the more expensive mini ITX ones.
Love this video on the in depth comparison. This needs to be named the stuff no one else will tell you about the 5700g
I really hope these are available and dont get sold out or overpriced in an instant.
I need things that I can build PCs now, and upgrade the GPU later when their prices normalize.
Cause as it stands right now. A mid tier GPU from 4 years ago eats more then 50% of the budget people want me to build computers for them for.
I know 7 hobby builders who are in your same shoes. Be up at 9:00AM on Thursday if you want to hope to get one, and have AMD store and Best Buy ready. I know I will be. Also great PFP.
I mean so far it's actually going pretty well thankfully.
I got my hands on 5700G with no problem. It has been available for a while and it satisfy my needs for not-too-demanding games, video editing and general art productivity. 5700G is actually pretty good with Davinci Resolve for 1080 to 1440p projects as long you don't put too many crazy effects. Overall, it's actually a fun APU to own.
Microcenter has them at MSRP and in stock.. hope you can get one.
Using an APU and later upgrading GPU is only a viable idea if you don't use NVME storage or other PCIe extensions. Because the internal GPU is fixed bound to 8 of the 20 PCIe lanes. So there are only 12 left. No chance to get x16 lanes for an external GPU and you are limited to PCIe3.0. Not a big deal NOW but maybe in a year or two when silicon is abundant again.
(It will be. There is ~50 billion $$$ in foundry invest at the moment. There will be plenty of silicon for everybody, soon. We'll see how long the prices will be kept high anyway...)
Awesome video, when you discussed how much Mbs of cache though the way it comes up in the graphic I can only think of the editor stacking 16 Megs from Family Guy to show the difference between the two lol
Thank you for this video
I was considering building on a on sWRX8 platform. But I think we're too close to seeing pcie 5.0 and ddr5 RAM. Spending a few grand on a top end workstation is not the move right now. Ryzen 5900g is really clutch right now especially with the GPU shortage.
very good of explaining the result. love it....
November 2022. Just bought this one for work to replace 11 years old A8-3850 quad core running at 667 MHz memory speed. I'm in IT running typical management software. Very excited to see the speed difference. Very good tips from Wendel as always.
Probably like enter the future, holy fk is that a slow processor
Great video. Thanks for sharing.
As tempted as I am to throw one of these in a Deskmini, I'm REALLY curious to see how RDNA2 will perform in the next version of these, especially now that the Steam Deck has at least some variation of them.
From what I've seen and heard, the Steam Deck runs better than a 5700G. I would assume that the next get iGPU chips would be straight up beasts.
I will however have to try and buy a Steam Deck, if they ever make it available in the Balkans that is. If not, then I'm gonna end up going to college (specifically for programming) without ever having a even mildly capable computer.
Great review !! I would love to see what can be achieved in terms of gaming in Linux using Proton 6.13 with the FSR fullscreen upscaler. It could give a very nice framerate (rendering @720p) but giving a near 1080p image quality.
Ummm, well I've tested FSR 720p and I felt display scaling was faster and gave slightly superior quality results.
The drawback is changing the desktop resolution or needing a 2nd display, it's not just a simple slider ingame
Gr8 new background score Wendel =)
I dropped from 3700 to 1660 Super to 3600G. I'm using FidelityFX to scale up 720p windowed content and I honestly have to say, I don't really miss my GPU for most of my gaming. Genshin Impact, RE7, WoW, D2/D3, and really anything below that is totally playable at 1080p60 where available and looks fine!
Would love to see a review on how does this perform in a NAS/media server build, especially on video transcoding performance from the IGP
Should handle it will ease. Although not as fast as say a 7800x. The IGPU has no issue with 4k rendering of video.
I got an old i7-2700k in my rosewill RSV-L4412. Been watching and waiting for the right Ryzen to come along so I can upgrade to 8c/16t with a low power usage yet good performance and ECC support. The G would be good for a MB without IMPI or even a non-G 5000 series if it supports ECC with a lower tdp part.
great video, i got here late, but i just snagged this CPU 5700G for 160 buckaroos. I am using it to test builds / little home server pc. thank you.
Good stuff!
Honestly the Intel situation of getting a GPU for free (or being forced to pay for it) was super convenient for VM stuff.
Might be nice if that GPU were actually kinda good
Well I got an Intel CPU without iGPU (old Xeon E3v3). Both of the companies had their adventures with and without iGPUs. APUs are really great for your classic non-gamer desktop pc. You don't want to buy dedicated GPU for office work or Dads PC. And those benchmarks are amazing....not really sacrificing much with AMD. I wish I had an iGPU now...very convenient to have on top of your radeon/geforce.
@asdrubale bisanzio its still about as powerful as a HD 7770/ 7780. I love my R3 3200g but I also paid 150 Canadian and have the R5 3600 on standby for 180 CAD. These new chips are expected to cost 200 - 250 USD +. They may be worth it if that's what you are starting with. I still recommend a smallish gpu like Nvidia 1600 series + or Radeon 5500 for those more demanding titles. You get the best of both worlds with extremely minimal downfall. You lose cache and some some raw speed. Can use fast RAM and storage just fine. A new/ revised gpu core/chiplet would have really benefitted these APU's .
@@0x8badf00d LGA 1150, correct. But no iGPU. Xeon E3-1230 v3. Cheapskate CPU at the time. No OC, no iGPU, but VTx. Served my needs well....but with GPU passthrough now, having a second GPU for basic desktop stuff is handy.
I got a 5750G for my home server, after realizing a 5700G wouldn't have ECC. Thank you, Wendell, for your homelab insights!
from where?
Completely agree, the 5700G can fit pretty much every scenario. One perhaps interesting to mention also is fanless builds. The reason why it works so well there, is because the 'Cezanne' chips feature a monolithic die and PCIe 3.0 instead of 4.0. This makes the power consumption, and especially idle power consumption, a lot better than the 'regular' 5000 'Vermeer' CPUs.
hi, im completly new to pc gaming and seen alot of budget builds use the 5700g. do you think this could run tarkov at a decent level?
@@eb2558 depends on what you think is decent. You already found the video showing the 5600G run Tarkov, the 5700G will run it slightly better. It looks playable, but don't expect it running like Fortnite.
Looking for the ECC video! Please test as many motherboards as you can
I just ordered the 5-5600G, have yet to get it though.... stalled by the weather.... anyway.... looking forward to testing it. currently running a A8 and it seems to do pretty good for everyday use... anxious to get to my AM4 based system! I have a Radeon HD7450 GPU and will only install it if the system has performance issues...
i just learned 2 new things, thanks wendell!
(ecc and on 4000 and 8x lane on 3000 and 2000 series.
Definitely excited to see more content on ECC memory for AM4 in general, but these apus inparticular offer the extra gpu needed for an unraid multi-user setup or similar. Until now the choice was Intel and no ECC or buying a low power gpu that you may not have pcie lanes for to make a multi-user unraid config. I'd love to see more high core count apus from AMD for similar applications. Maybe Intel will step up and enable ECC on the desktop too but I'm not holding my breath.
using APU GPU also uses PCIe lanes. At least on mine B450 Tomahawk Max II it shows that I have x16 for my PCIe slot for CPU and x8 if I have APU.
I have the ASRock Taichi Razer Edition with ECC memory. The BIOS option is missing, but it's enabled in Windows and event viewer shows corrections if overclocks are too high on the memory.
10:02 the asus pro ws X570-Ace is supposed to support ECC, at least it's mentioned in the spec sheet. It's basically the AM4 version of the threadripper ASUS Pro WS WRX80E-SAGE you showed a couple months ago
@asdrubale bisanzio :facepalm:
is that also true now for the "regular" cpus (without graphics)? before they were supposed to support ecc depending on board support
Woo! More homelab content!!!! 🎉
I have tried something else with my 5700g I run 32gb 4000mhz cl18 ram. And it is glad to fps better for me allowing vr gaming.
You deliver jokes better than I do. We still get the same deafening silence but at least you get the words out in the right order.
I see a lot of gaming benchmarking but how do those CPUs perform for a productivity focused system? I am building a software dev system and I need to run a couple VMs and other annoying memory and CPU hungry node processes.
So, good option for mATX boards that don't have a lot of expand-ability anyway. Would like to see this in a B450 board actually. It's gen 3 anyway and supported on some boards. My MSI Tomahawk B450 Max says it can take these chips. Might be a good replacement for my 1800X.
With the price drop (+ being able to reuse ECC RAM from previous build), i put this in my Opnsense router. I can now run 1gbs IDS without noticable lag. Logs no longer hang on loading. Services reload quicker (i can reboot the router without CZcams videos stopping).
I love this video!
Sir may we please have some linux channel content? Quite a lot has happened in the last 2 months
what has caught your attention the most?
@@Level1Techs Personally as the sweaty gamer bro that I am. Proton-6.13-GE and newer now support AMD FSR for most games on steam (All vulkan games including DXVK, & VKD3D) it even works on Nvidia! Heroic Games launcher also updated with support for FSR. I think the landscape for Linux gaming is looking really good especially when you consider the steam deck is around the corner. It would be interesting to see the performance of these APU's using FSR.
@@Level1Techs nvidia vgpu unlock (maybe a bit over the line, jensen might send the attack helicopters :D
More interested in stock speed on normal cooler running Linux (Elementary OS or Zorin 16) scrummed in small Lian Li mini itx case.
This is cool, I hope these are actually available to purchase.
Might be hard, had to wait a long time to find a seller for 4650G
I have two 5600G's. Both run perfectly in the asrock desk mini's with the latest bios. Both fail intermittently in two different Asrock b450 gaming/itx boards with latest bios, Video loses sync. Not often but usually when the PC has not warmed up fully. Have done much experimenting with this yet. If I discover anything that helps I will post it here later...pvp
I bought this to do Blender on a itx mini pc, while streaming and using less than 50 watts hopefully so I can run it on solar panels in a cool weather climate. I'm sort of regretting buying the 5700g because I just saw a 1660 super sale for $160 today new, but I need to avoid gaming in order to progress in my career, and the size/Wattage represent that dedication to focus for me. Plus now is the time to sell my rx 570 and r5 1600af before they cost $20. the 5700g will play Back4Blood, and while it's not my favorite game, it is a good game to scratch the itch outside of RTS games
I love my 4650G that I have in my 5L Skyreach 4 Mini with an old GPU that I am able to pass-through into a virtual machine (using LXD). I might have to look building my wife a desktop so I can trade up to the 5700G and hopefully prices will come down soon so I can put a new GPU in (then pass the APU graphics to a VM) and get a second stick of RAM to give myself 64GB of ECC.
I found I had a few minor issues with my ASRock A320M HDV R3.0 board and the 5600G using 3600 memory, plus I would get rare blue screens, and one symptom being a white line flickering on the right side of the screen, until I switched on the memory error correction functions in the BIOS, since then it has behaved.
I was not able to get ECC working (tested with the latest memtest) on a 5750G Pro model. Two different CPUs tested. It works with all normal Ryzen CPUs, but the 5750G Pro always showed ECC disabled in memtest. Different wording that I don't remember right now... On B550M Steel legend with latest BIOS.
The "code image" on those screens behind you, look very much like Unity C#.
The latest AMD chipset drivers do not have the Ryzen Balanced power plan, at least not on a 5800X system I set up recently.
I appreciate that AMD have included graphics in the 7000x series, just a good back up for a dgpu, in case of fail.
5000 series amd prices makes me extra happy about the 2700x i bought in 2019 for 200 usd :)
Loved the Star Wars Reference!
just got one from amazon 6 days ago.. Paid $229 the week before they were $319.. then out of stock... Soon as they notified back in stock. i ordered... Had the MB, memory Nv drive,, best cpu i've ever had.
Loved the Apu joke (best character of the show). Question presents; are we at or pretty close to the absence of need for systems being faster/larger? I ask because this "APU is better" than before commentary on the 5x series is pretty rare the past few years where an improvement is out of the box tangible without the need for charts. Most improvements seem to be marginal in terms of 'outcome of experience', only really appreciated by that rare percentage of humans who are high functioning Asperger's.
Maybe worth testing this with SMT off or turning the two worst cores off for gaming and see what it does for the power budget. I think I got to buy one of these just to see what happens :)
Could you test if the APUs can outperform the normal Zen3 CPUs because of their higher memory overclocking capabilities? I assume in 1080p or games like CS GO, League of Legends etc. could perform better with 4400 / 4600 mt/s. Make sure to use pbo to unlock the powertarget.
took me just a few seconds to sub, what a nice intro xd
Not even 5seconds in, and right in the feels- DANGIT Wendell!?
Wendells on the phone. Why is ECC not enabled :P
Are there any of the AMD motherboards with thunderbolt, implemented with a mutex, such that they can get the DP signal from an iGPU instead of the DP_input ?
I so want an APU with Zen3 or newer with a gpu that'll be newer gen than this...has av1 decoding etc. Hope the next generations brings that...
For $350 we should at least get Vega 12 and 32M L3. I was hoping for Navi, SMH. 4600g will have to last awhile...
Not interested in using this for gaming but it would be perfect in a small form factor HTPC. I might play some arcade games on my TV with it but that would be about it.
Great summary; many need it and this fix for no Video Cards without selling your first child.
I got it for home lab and tested power consumption and it went from 40w idle to 160w i think under load.
Been running a 3600G with 16GB DDR4 at 3200mhz for a couple years - get > 60fps at 1080p in most titles, however, you do have to turn down textures/lighting/particles/shadows etc., the chip is fast, it's the shared memory that will always bottleneck you.
The Bequite cooler is great with my 3950x
Why is there a 2GB limit in the BIOS for the iGPU? Would making it up to 4 GB or 8 GB make any difference?
Nice one! My only problem with this is that I can't upgrade the graphics part after 3-4-5 years. Well, I can add a graphics card I guess. Looks very impressive tbh!
U can use it to drive a second display from your motherboard and your gpu displays to your main screen.
You need a really high end gpu to game at 360 fps and display a second screen and stream, u need a second PC. But a apu and gpu allows u to get close without getting another PC
Thank You . . .
Please more on the AMD 5700G ECC Ram compatibility
Have found R3 4300 systems (4c8t Zen2) for cheap and these cezanne based chips are putting me off buying it... but I bet these are rare as unicorn poop with price tags to match. Have 3x 3950x's, Still bet the price of these will make me cry blood IF I can find them.
Hey guys, should I go for a Ryzen 5 3600 + GTX 1060 3GB GDDR5 or just for a Ryzen 5 5600G // 7 5700G without GPU? I really appreciate your help. I'm thinking to build my first budget PC!
I love your channel, but I seriously look forward to your jokes.
Literally snort laughed at the "It's an older code, but it checks out sir..."
I really want to make my dad a small form factor PC with the 5600g, it's more than he will ever need... probably would last him 5 or 6 years lol.
I've seen v. small mini PC which take the 3400G, which would have been more than enough for my Dad 😁
Even with that compared to laptop most ppl use, it's fast.
I am toying with the idea of recycling mine to use as a router, as mine throttles the 1Gb fibre so should just be the WAP
get him Civ 6, Crusader Kings 3 or something similar as a starter pack
Current 5000 G series still have a Vega chip, so it is already impressive how it performs.
Imagine the performance boost in the next APU with RDNA graphics chip. I guess it will make the real low end dedicated GPUs obsolete
Yeah he's 75, has never gamed, and never even owned a PC, it will rock his world...he just started browsing the net at the library before the pandemic.
9:16 I feel like you could probably pull that mic up 3 inches and get it out of the frame.
I love Wendell's signature presentation style
i got a 5700g at a microcenter on launch day. just cant get the ryzenmaster software to work. driver load fail error. =(
why not show the settings that you used for benchmarking? i kinda want to compare it with my own system (ryzen 3600 and gtx 750 ti)
Just bought a 4650g off ebay hoping it has anything close to this performance
So, here is my question. I like the R75700G as a backup on my motherboard in case my video card goes down. I can still use my system. I considered getting R75700X as per it's better cache. Am I loosing out performance, or how much performance am I loosing going the the 5700G vs the 5700X. I have an RX5700XT video card as my primary video. Having the APU as a backup would be nice. Any comments, concerns, opinions I could get would greatly be appreciated!! Since I run a 1080 monitor with high refresh rate, 144Mhz.
thank you come again
I really did wish that the Vega graphics would get a bump up in performance compared to 4th gen, my 35w 4750GE has vega8 at 2Ghz. was really hoping the 65w 5700G would hit maybe 2.5Ghz or do something like quadruple the cache. Because they were sticking with VegaII(Based on the same node and arc as the Radeon VII) i figured they'd at least bump the speed a little bit
Blowing the power budget on gpu probably isn't worth it as GCN has never clocked that high, Most of the power goes to cpu clocks
Going from 35w>65w between the 4750GE and 4750G gets the base clock from 3.1Ghz to 3.6Ghz, a16.1% increase.
For cezanne going from 5750GE to 5750G Gains 600Mhz (3.2Ghz>3.8Ghz) or +18.75%
35w: 4750ge vs 5750ge base goes from 3.1Ghz to 3.2Ghz for +3.2% (boost clocks increase 6.97%)
65w: 4750G vs 5750G base goes from 3.6Ghz to 3.8Ghz for +5.5% (boosts gain 4.54%)
All the while having 100% more l3 cache (more than a i9-7900X) on a refined version of the same process.
I was hoping to see a test on an ASRock Deskmini for a ridoncolous power to size ratio. How would that fare against an 5800H laptop?
I'm testing that right now! I love it. Even better than the 4750G
New test 4 APU pls (motherboard metholology memory)T-topology vs Daisy Chain 4 stick SR and DR :)
supposedly you can use the APU's graphics as support for a dedicated GPU using DX12's multi-gpu mode.
I think you need to turn on that feature when coding the game
At 10:39 some of the text is small and hard to read on a 1440p 27" monitor, and even worse on a 24" monitor. FYI
"Who needs the quickie-mart!"
Iiii dooooooooooooo...
This 5700g will be replacing my old 1700. Finally a zen3 system that's 65w and won't tax my anemic cooling solution on my low profile mini-itx setup. The only reason I'm using a graphics card for this is for A. GPU Passthrough, and B. more than 2 monitors. I'm also very tempted to just get a Deskmini X300 and pairing it with one of these, and going even smaller form factor than my already small computer, and just ditching two side monitors for one bigger wide screen.
Eco mode works too, so u don't really have to get a 5700g. Eco mode is nice for small form factor builds and the like
Waited a little longer and 5700x could have been had.
Why is there (quite excellent) complex atonal-harmonic background music playing for the first 2 minutes of this? And for anyone thinking I'm crazy, jack up the volume particularly at 1:08 onward.
Well, if you ever wanted to build a 3.9L itx build, for just e=sports titles and even AAA games at 30fps, this chip is the beginning of powerful, tiny, gaming pc's. I dream of the day you can house this much power in something the size of an internal dvd disk drive.
The 5700 I cant afford for my PC build, but the 5600, yes. Trade off is, is the RAM speed has to be a bit better. I wish a 6500 GPU was around, as the 6600 is also out of my PC build budget!
It's crazy these brand new desktop APUs are still using vega graphics. You'd think we'd have access to rdna 1 at least by now but they are still compelling products for something like a HTPC, NAS, or budget gaming rig.
a 1CU of RDNA1 is no match for 1CU of 14nm Vega nor 1CU of 7nm Vega when it comes to performance on low power.
now there "MAY" be incoming a RDNA1.5 that "COULD" maybe replaces the newest Vega,
but it is JUST another NAVI rumor and they can take a very long time to come to reality.
Where are you getting these from? I don't see them even listed anywhere I look.
They're available today on microcenter, Newegg and Amazon
You forget mention 5800x have double L3 cache size and this is main factor for performance difference. For Apu I waiting for next gen 12 Rdna GPU cores 96MB 3d Vchache + DDR5 this probably will increase performance by at-least 70% over 5700G. I currently using second hand Rx 470 that cost me 2 years ago $70
Wouldn't be nice if they'd go with "XG" upgrade and at least RDNA, if not 2nd gen graphics on it?? Even with 15-20% price bump, I'd buy it 100%, and later when all parts for a high end pc arrive, stick it in asrock x300 and have a decent living-room emulation/multimedia machine and took lots of load from NAS... Even Steam Deck with what, 20watts with 4c at 3.5ghz is a BANG!! Can't wait for the APU + ECC video!!
"It's an older code, sir, but it checks out." Nice 👍🏻