What Does NASCAR Need To Fix In Order To Make Road Courses More Entertaining? | Dale Jr Download
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- In Sunday's NASCAR Cup Series race at Watkin Glen, there was one caution, just like the week before. But outside of that, what caused the race to go by without any major events? Dale Jr shares his thoughts on the matter.
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The drivers need to learn how to race a full race without stage cautions again...imo
Agreed.
They just need a car that’s able to pass under green lmao
@@SoundsLikeBlueJenes when they run side by side through a corner they loose 3 seconds to the leader of the race, you don't win races fighting for every position no matter what car they're in...lol
we had that for years....
Do away with all stage cautions, even ovals. If someone has the horses to walk away from the field more power to them.
How long have you been intently watching NASCAR? I’m okay with no stages on road courses, however there has to be more leeway for tuning and aero so these drivers can pass someone with a faster car and not having to wait for the driver in front of them to make a mistake!
Stage racing has created some of the best racing in NASCAR’s history! Ask anyone who has driven, announced or been on a pit crew most of their life!
@@lantoseyea…. Definitely fucking not
Nah... Stage breaks came out for a reason
@@TWOhype23 What a punk kid having to use the f word! Grow up! The reason for stage breaks was so Billy Bob didn’t win by 3 laps.
Hah
End all stage Cautions PERIOD.
NASCAR constantly throws comp Cautions and magic Cautions for every little thing they can.
Yet they literally exceed track limits every lap and nothing gets done about it. NASCAR is a joke.
More Power Scottie, More Power! 😊
I keep going back to this. More power would give a larger braking zone and allow more passing opportunities. Fixing the same issues Martinsville is having would help the road courses.
Why hasn’t NASCAR figured this out ? More power would solve a lot of problems. Then bail on the failed experiment of the playoffs. Most points in the season wins the Cup !
@lorenfisher9024 adding power back to the cars is one of the more expensive fixes they can do. They're holding it as a last resort, but they've tried almost everything else.
Re: Playoffs - This is the 20th year of a playoff format. This most recent format is the best version of the playoffs NASCAR has had, and it's far and away better than the season long format. No championship should be decided before the season is over.
On road course yellows they should back the lap down cars about half a lap so they can pit on the same lap as the lead lap cars and thus shorten the yellow and get back to green quicker. They can catch backup up to the field before the green but pit them on the same lap just a bit later after the lead lap cars are gone.
That’s a great idea!
That's why the stage races started, but "the fans" don't want to see them anymore NOW THE FANS ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT THAT
The stage breaks are mainly there for advertising/commercials. I highly doubt NASCAR is going to shorten them up.
@@24slipknot No they're not for commercials., when did anything stop TV from going to commercials? They would have never gotten rid of them in the first place. They know the only thing that will work is to make the racing better.
Nostalgia race was cool 88 and Wrangler 3 out there
Track limits, stop letting them run a mile outside the actual track
That would be harder if they put in it
@jeffersonkoster5975 i doubt that it'd be too much of a problem if they corrected the field staging issue, and nothave tight first turns. There is a reason why at the Rolex 24 they divide the field in half by class at the green. Because 50-60 cars are going to fit through the chicane at the same time.
Look at the best and longest lasting and best road courses in the cup schedule (historically riverside, watkins glen, and sonoma), all of them have their first few turns be gradual turns that allow drivers to shuffle for breathing room before any chokepoints.
IMSA had a bunch of goodraces that were still close even with abuse of track limits such as COTA. They did end up implementing ruled against it, but that was for safety reasons since most of their tracks are legacy roadcourses and not tilke style f1 race courses
Nobody would be able to pass. Which is already a problem. Track limits weren't an issue before.
@@DerrickRG91 There is no issue with other series on non-street courses like what the cup drives (minus shitty chicago)
Build The Wall™
I would love to see no stage cautions at every track
If you took away stage cautions and stage points then it would be a race with a singular goal that everyone could fight for.
Yeah but would nascar get rid of stages altogether for just road courses, or just road courses and restrictor plate tracks? I don’t think so. I think nascar is in a position where each race has stage points, otherwise it devalues certain races to a certain extent, being able to gain more points at different tracks. So I think they’d have to get rid of stages and stage cautions altogether. I really like where nascar is right now, where we have stages but no cautions on the road courses. I think the problem lies more with the new cars, and the various issues they’ve encountered with it, whether it’s horsepower or aero or the fact they’re all the same and nobody really has an edge anymore. NASCAR isn’t far from being about the same as the Australian super cars where everyone is driving the exact same spec cars and just riding around because you can’t pass. BUT they’ve tried doing a good job keeping the attention of fans, as well as giving the drivers more motivation to get up front and stay up front the whole race, etc. by adding the stages and stage points. But a couple years ago we had some decent road course racing, but that was before this new car. So to me it’s not the stages, it’s more of the car, but I definitely understand where you’re coming from and appreciate your opinion. Definitely be interesting to see what they try to improve the races, and the race cars!
No more scripted cautions, no more stage gimmicks. Get back to true racing like every other racing series in the world.
@@TheReilNeil Exactly!
One of the best things about no fake yellows is stage points tend to be earned by those that deserve it. Not someone riding around 15th or so staying out to steal it. Make the cars harder to drive(racing aside, Xfinity cars look more fun & looks like more talent is needed to wheel it). I miss the longer braking zones, wheel hop & other stuff. Better tires would be nice, but if they can barely pass a lot slower cars, aero will still stall everyone on worn tires with a car where mistakes don’t hurt you much.
I want to see a locked differential, much more horsepower & no defuser. I believe that should bring back everything you just said
Easy fix: You can not pit within 25-30 laps before a stage caution comes out on a short track. 20-30 laps on a mile and a half or bigger. If you do pit because of an issue or whatever reason, then it's mandatory that you are inelegable for stage points for that stage, and you start at the tail end of the line on the restart. You can keep road courses like they are with stage racing.
More horsepower would make tire management and tire delta much more important, and would allow for more overtaking when the guy ahead gets a corner exit wrong.
don't need more HP, just run a narrower tire(295 or 300) and slightly taller tire for road courses.
I wonder if going to a setup where multiple tire compounds would change anything honestly. Having two or three compounds and forcing teams to run at least two of them would open up the strategy some and also lead to passing. In F1 that is about where the only excitement comes from in races, so in a spec series with less dirty air than F1 having additional compounds might open things up without having to add HP which they seem set against entirely.
@@SV-Cantilever It might, but it would definitely raise costs as well.
@@LionAndALamb for sure, it might be cheaper than having to rebuild engines that run at a higher HP though.
I do not want to see freakin' yellows at the end of the freakin' stages. I want to see a race. It's not the fault of anyone but McDowell for driving through all those pits. One of the best cars got held up from a penalty. Oh well.
I say this as a former Legends driver and an avid iRacer, 3k+ on both oval and road, mainly NASCAR, GT3, and LMP2. Making the cars harder to drive doesn't improve racing past a certain point. If they say it's hard to drive but the top guys are just following each other around, that can mean it's too hard to drive for good racing and guys are just hanging on to it. From an iRacing side the Next Gen on road courses, GT3, and LMP2 are all like that. Fast setups are extremely sensitive, there's no hustling a car for the extra tenth when you're trying to catch a guy, just maximizing what the setup will give you and not sliding the tires. We can argue sim vs real life differences, but it doesn't matter as much as illustrating the point. Even in iRacing esports events there's not really comers and goers on pace alone, unless someone qualifies really poorly compared to their true pace.
More power or smaller tires would resolve it, it’s a drivers race at that point. Who can manage tires, braking and limited mechanical grip brings the top drivers together and allows passing
And take away the STUPID undercarriage garbage , totally Gone. POOF , let them put windshields back in the cars with no holes in them amd let them Flatten out the sides of the cars , for some side force thats a start. For a Gen 8 car. But this gen 7 , was and is a TOTAL bust. Imho, it was junk from the first idea that blossomed into making F1 cars. There not Nascar, Just as Dale Jr , and Mike said, was the cup race or the xfiniry race better this weekend, they both without a breath said Xfinity as fast as they could. This car is Junk. And they know it. This is why Jr is not an owner in the cup series. With cars that have a motorcycle Transmission in them, with independent rear suspension, on cars that go in Circles, 😂😂😂😡😡😳😳😳😭😭🤯🤯🤯🤯, they need to get started on gen 8 now. , back to normal down force. Not bs holes in windshields , lmao, its so bad , and the pretty 1 lug, another Joke , they need to get to work, and then we can have Nascar Cup series racing back 💯🙏🙏🤘🤘🏁🏁
That has zero to do with the road course issue. It would actually make it worse. Sonoma and Watkins have no passing issues, especially with cars that are the exact opposite of what you prescribe.
This is 100% focused on the things like the roval and chicago. Which have the same issue, that first corner. IMSA will be going back to Indy next year and we'll see the same issue again.
The only roval that does it right in my opinion is the Daytona Roval, because that has a long area of deceleration (with a place to even let off the throttle), and a run off before the tight merger. That gives time for drivers to see the pack shifting and make choices or bail out.
If you are saying they need more power and/or less grip, you are asking for a bunch of drivers (who would school us) to turn the start of every green into a forza online match.
@@asymsolutions your correct. On 1 thing, this car is a Road course car. But this is Nascar, and they need to ONLY do 3 or 4 MAX road course or Street course races a season. This is why there was only 2 on the schedule for the last 30 years. ITS not for NASCAR. It is for IMSA , but the XFINITY series puts onna better race on every road course the last 2 seasons. Time for Nascrap to get to Building Xfinity series , CUP CARS. Not Imsa series cars. PERIOD. END OF ALL DISCUSSIONS about the car , its junk. With a fkn Motorcycle Transmission in them. I mean come on, WHO was in charge of building these Junkers. Wow there idiots. !!!
Kostecki and Byron had no issues passing cars at Indy a week ago. SVG would have had more passes if his engine wasn’t dodgy as well. I think the guys need to learn what these cars can do a bit more and relearn the passing required.
What ? Learn to spell. I don’t get it.
Here's what they need to do:
Add a joker lap. Each stage at Watkins Glen you gotta go around the boot, whichever lap you choose.
They need to run the boot on every lap...imo
Imagine trying to come back out of there into traffic, you'd get murdered.
Cool idea though
Don’t bring back the stage cautions, fix the tire and the car first.
When you start the fastest car up front and there are no cautions then your only drama is if the fast car makes a mistake. Invert the field if you want to see passing without stage breaks. Make the fast cars come through the field
Gimmicky
Bullshit to the 1000th degree
That's 90% of the short tracks that's what they do not a gimmick
Bring back the original racing and do away with the stages on all tracks. Do single file restarts with lap downs to the inside
Back to when you could tell the make and model of the cars by body shape. They didn't all look the same with just different front end decals
@@jimwilcox2964shut up old man those days are done.
MOOORRREEEEE HORSEPOWER!!!! It really is that simple and easy. Every race other than SS need to be at at least 850 HP. The racing during the COT day was fantastic 90% of the time. With more HP this car would be right there probably even better. But what do I know? I certainly don't race every week like these guys, but maybe NASCAR should at least listen to their driver whom are saying the same thing.
How about doing something like Indycar does...have two different compound tires, a regular and soft. Teams would have to use both compounds in the race. This would allow different strategies and allow passing, when a soft tire car is coming up on a regular tire car. The two tire strategy would only be used on short and road courses, and not on superspeedway and intermediates.
Agree 100% that this is what should happen if they aren't willing to add HP or can't figure out a way to get rid of the dirty air.
@@SV-Cantilever I also think they should up the horsepower, and with a two tire compound strategy, should make the racing more entertaining.
Road courses are just different and so is the strategy. I liked yesterday’s race. There was a lot of movement in the field. Just not up front.
The final 10 laps, the first 17 cars, didn't move up or down. These cars are terrible at anything, not a 1.5-mile track. And once the teams get these cars completely dialed in, even the 1.5 miler tracks will be trash.
I hated the race, Loved the winner but the race really did suck. Was not worth watching.
I swear Nascar fans don't care unless they are wrecking, this is the only road racing they watch.
So, what you are really saying is that you are not a NASCAR fan. I don't blame you. Not only does NASCAR SUCK because they bore us to death with their Stupid rules, but they have become way too WOKE. Also try and watch a race without a thousand commercials. FK NASSCAR!!!@@taylorbertrim7625
@taylorbertrim7625 No. Watching cars race, and not be able to pass because the dirty air is still bad is what fans don't like. Sure, some want the stage cautions to come back just to introduce chaos. But the majority of fans don't like stage cautions and want cars that can race each other on track.
I enjoyed the last two races.
I fell asleep during both woke up n was eaxact same
I loved Sunday's race and I was there. It was a true race where everyone was running where their strength was at. I feel yellows wouldn't have helped. Saturday's race was more exciting but they're different cars and different skill levels.
I think we need more HP
Are we literally all forgetting there was another road course a week before that was an amazing race .. there is no issue because there was a race that got spread out. The reason why the race was a bit boring is because some of the top contenders like McDowell, Larson, Elliot to challenge Byron had independent issues
I love the fact that Watkins Glen has been a sell out 9 years in a row. Watkins is always a party and is definitely one of the few venues still thriving in NASCAR. I do wish the racing has not transformed into boring for the spectator. I miss the days of constant rubb'n, 3 wide, passing on the bump out and side by side on the esses and back stretch.
Get rid of all the adverts for a start...the 6 hour Bathurst race has no commercial breaks. Another thing I have noticed watching NASCAR is the lack of different camera angles during the racing...it seems like they have the minimum amount of cameras at any given track. You only have to watch one Supercars race to see the difference.
I have to go back to when you were talking about how to fix short track races. Which takes me back to old school times. Teams had cars built specifically for short tracks, road courses, mile and a half, and super speedway. Some guys are better at a certain type of track. Suppose this was allowed with this car. I really think you would see a different race outcome, say in the case of road courses, a Morcos Ambrose duking it out with Brad on the final lap. Those guys were road racers in road course built cars.
Getting rid of stage breaks was the best thing nascar has done. The problem is the car. Not the track, not the lack of cautions, THE CAR. Same with short tracks
i would love to see a race series where only the winner is rewarded only the winner get money trophy and a point this would make everyone in the series drive their hardest take risks
Jr absolutely complained about the stage cautions like everyone else a couple of years ago. They take forever.
Tire wear is key to a good race
And more HP
I've made this comment on a couple of shows reviewing the Glen. Tire ware is a problem (need more fall off), If not throwing caution at stage end, time Phase end to fuel run. I've been going to the Glen for the last 7 races and 3 others before that. That had to be the most BOREING race!!!!! I think in 2005 they took the sand trap out of Turn #1 and paved it. (never liked that); but still had some good racing. Then a few years back they added the "turtles", that really changed how turn #1 was raced. I think they need to do something to make it a deterrent to run that turn where they would have been in the middle of the "sand trap". I say this because I have been watching the races at the "Esses" going up the hill for years. That is supposed to be a tight turn. Put some more Horsepower back in the car, too.
More hp and add the restricted plate spoilers on the back. That should make things interesting
They need to build some adjustability in these cars. They are so close to identical, it's no different than IROC. Maybe loosen up the chassis specs and increase HP. Give some innovation and originality back to the teams.
Run the full track and more HP.
Bring back the gravel pits. Have consequences for not staying on the corners.
I'd like to see high banked turns in the mix at road courses like the old Monza F1 track. Having a high speed section where drafting comes into play adds passing options other than just out breaking someone into a slow corner.
Love the Kyle Naughton Jr Shirt haha😅
900hp 9600rpm engine, solid axle rear-end located with links or arms, 12"x1.25" brakes, 4" gap under the front valance, 4" spoiler, no ground effects
Sign me up.
Imagine if The DJD had access to the scanner audio and he could replay some team audio and discuss it at different times throughout the season. 🤔
oh DJD and DirtyMoMedia has or can get the access anytime they want, they play replays from MRN, FOX, NBC, all the time. But i agree @MikeDavis needs to try this some and see if the majority likes the content. i think it would be a great idea to discuss the major events and the Team audio of each weeks races.
Another way to mix up the field is to skip qualifying on road courses and the start is based on owners points (inverted) or a random draw and then the fastest guys are not up front from the start - if someone has a fast car - make them go through the field - make them work for a win
Ain’t we all want that sadly it not fair to sponsor so XD but I do think they should invert in 10 to 1
But have choose cone in play I doubt it
that would make for a very interesting first ten laps or so.
or just dont have it impounded so its a different qual and race setup so maybe someones qual setup isnt good but their race setup is way better so they drive through the field (ie more passing)
Stage cautions were the straw that broke the camels back for me. I no longer watch full Cup races anymore. Kind of sad I missed the Brickyard last week, but not really any other weeks.
NASCAR needs to realize that they need to allow more differentiation in the cars to create more passing. IROC cars that keep the crews from being innovative cause boring racing.
The lack of yellows isn't the issue. The passing was just non-existent this past weekend. Perhaps increasing HP again would force some errors amongst drivers and even produce more tire wear. Even with cautions, passing is only really wide spread for the first couple of laps after a restart anyway.
Probably not a popular opinion, but maybe make the road course races multiclass. Add either the Xfinity cars OR the trucks as the second class. Logistically with pit stalls I could see it being an issue, but I think it would add an entire new strategy and difficulty where things could change in an instant. Also, please run the damn boot.
Mike's point is a huge reason I really enjoyed the last 2 races. It brought back Endurance as a skill in NASCAR. Larson said Indy was the hardest race he ever ran didn't he? I want drivers to get out and say that.
They need to start a road course series and oval series.let them battle it out at the Allstars race.2 🏆
Nothing. Change nothing. Most races will be like this of you want stage cautions gone from every race, which is something I see in quite a few comment see that people want.
Because they want old things but it not good for me I would rate every race I hate no caution
@@JeffWeselyanSo go watch the demo derby at your local fair.
@@toyotaecw I mean seriously car to bland nascar ain’t amplified horse power
My question on the #9 running out of gas is what did they think they would gain by running 1 or 2 extra laps? You only pick up spots by pitting early and catching a caution, not staying out. There was minimal tire fall off so it was high risk with zero reward. Elliott running out of gas, Larson speeding and Bowman having to pit when it was closed in a 5 minute span was an epic fail sequence for HMS.
Junior, your night win a Bristol, was an old-fashioned ass kicking and I loved it. Just as I loved Larson's win at the "All Star Race" at North Wilesboro.
Tire fall off and more horsepower would help alot I’m sure
And make the brakes less effective. Its hard to outbrake someone and make a pass when everyone can brake late because the brakes are so good.
The answer is simple. Like Indy Car and F1, NASCAR on road courses needs to have a primary and alternate tire. Should be required to use a set of each during the race.
That would be too awesome
There is no way that the premier class of NASCAR should have such low horsepower! If the drivers are so good, why not challenge them with high horsepower?
Can we just try a bigger motor once please. The fans and drivers have been talking about it for years and years even before the nextgen came out. Please just give it a shot once please.
The only ones whining for a caution are the ones making mistakes or aren't' winning. "the winner"
I think part of the issue at WGI is that the Cup version of the track is not REALLY a road course. It drives more like a superspeedway. There are no technical sections, and no real slow corners. Just 3 braking zones, only one of which (Turn 1) is heavy braking, and a lot of wide open throttle. So it's basically a single-groove superspeedway. As long as you don't make a HUGE mistake, nobody will be able to pass you. Enforcing track limits would help A LOT. Right now if you make a fairly big mistake in Turn 1 or Turn 5, who cares? You can just drive half a mile off the track and keep your foot flat on the floor rather than having to lift to stay on the track and keep from crashing. Driving the boot would also help since there are a couple slower corners there, and some of them don't have runoff so mistakes actually hurt your speed. There's nothing wrong with the car, it's just that if you make the track this easy, these teams and drivers are all pretty evenly matched so there is not going to be much passing. Why would we expect anything other than the fastest cars in qualifying to gradually walk away, and the slowest cars in qualifying to gradually fall behind? There's no reason to think there'd be a ton of mixing it up if everybody is running quali laps all race. Enforce track limits, or put worse tires on the cars, or add more difficult corners.
Doesn't stage caution's mean less green flag racing? Why would you want that?
I hate to say it, but for road course races NASCAR may need to adopt a method used in Formula One and even in IndyCar: offer different tire compounds for races.
F1 offers three different dry tires (soft, medium, hard) that play a big role in the team's strategy during the race. If NASCAR and Goodyear developed 2-3 different compounds to use for race day, along with maybe increasing the horsepower limit on road courses, then I think the overall racing product would be way better.
And yet the same guy keeps winning in F1
A taller uniTread wood solve everything?
Since tires last forever anymore, I propose that they get fueled on the fly with a KC135 and eliminate cautions and pit stops altogether. 😃
I wrote up a long comment but I think simplifies it’s this: listening to this whole episode, the message I got was this, the dialogue around how someone won the race is less about how the driver and the car held it together for 90 laps and more about oh wow this driver started here and got a stage point and pitted and took it easy til the last stage and this driver did this strategy and that strategy. Man no one cares about individual mini races or mini points events. NASCAR has made what seems like multiple mini games out of each race like it’s a cellphone game or something. Let these boys race and if people’s cars are sucking, let the teams and the drivers suck! Why are we buoying these drivers that don’t stand a chance at the front.
Why aren't there track limits outside of the bus stop?
road course is an easy fix. but youre not ready to even comprehend it. simply make track limits a thing. you can race someone that not on the track, moving to the gp loop will help, but track limits, its that easy
Personally I think most of the races have been less exciting since the new car was introduced.
more restarts would only result in more divebombs and nothing else added
34 car had something for him if it wasn't for pit stop mistakes and then motor problem's at the end
More horsepower if you ask me. When I used to road race motorcycles the bikes with the most horsepower were the most exciting to watch. All that power makes for great racing
Softer compound tires ! Make them good for 25 laps until they scrub off so much speed guys might pit from the back.
With D.0.T. & A taller treaded tire ,getting all the cars off the ground more and bring some Yaw back.= Fun and entertainment don't need the Rex from all kinds of yellow stage
Fix the car and nearly all the other issues sort themselves out.
Another issue I don't hear anyone talk about is the all the data sharing and access. Get rid of all of that. No more SMT data. You should not be able to look at my inputs so that you can copy them. You should have to figure it out.
Test each type of track before the season and gather the data. Then that's all the teams get. No more data for the rest of the sesson. They just have to figure it out on their own.
Limit sim time too. Each team gets 3 hours per week and that's it.
Exactly! What in the hell prompted NASCAR to implement the SMT data sharing in the first place? You literally have spotters coaching the driver in real-time to drive in such a way that they were not talented enough to figure out on their own. Any gains that the more talented driver had made due to their personal skill set are immediately neutralized. Gee… I wonder why there isn’t more passing going on. SMH. Between SMT, and the current sports car imposter of a stock car, NASCAR has completely ruined the Cup Series. The Xfinity race on Saturday was 10x more entertaining, even though one car basically dominated that race too. At least there was the possibility of someone getting to the bumper of the leader without dirty air creating an invisible force field to stall them out. Frustrating to watch that happen week after week with the exception of intermediates.
@@JHoselton83 It also doesn't help that they have "gutless engines" as Christopher Bell so eloquently put it. He went as far as to say the Cup guys should use the Xfinity cars and believes if they did, the racing would be amazing. I tend to agree.
I still hold out hope that NASCAR will fold under the pressure and make some aggressive changes to the aero and add horsepower. I don't see them going above 750, but maybe if the owners listen to the driver's input, they'll come around too.
The drivers do not like this car, but only a few will say it, while the others only allude to it. They all need to speak up more. They want to be able to race and the fans want to see it!
Great product equals great return. I don't understand what's so hard about that.
What would be funny is if the Cup drivers just decided to go to the Xfinity series and race there instead. That would be an amazing protest.
Honestly, I think it's less the fact that it's a road course and more the fact that they did it in back-to-back weeks.
I don’t know man. The road courses this year on the cup side, have been pretty boring. I think eliminating stage breaks on road courses have taken away from the excitement in these races. Can’t throw packages at the car, but I think more tire fall off could help. People hate the stage breaks but 1 caution in a 90 lap road course race spreads them out and we get what we’ve seen on road courses this year. At least the stage breaks create strategy and opportunity. I do not entirely agree that the stages are won by those who deserve it with no caution. The breaks create hard choices that have to made. It’s not like nascar is inverting the field or anything. On the other hand, the Xfinity race was great, again!
“More entertaining” is crazy to me. It should just be better racing, entertainment has almost killed our sport when it comes to the playoff bull crap. That’s why we don’t always crown a true champion every season. Put more power back in the cars in my opinion so the more talented capable drivers can display their skill. But we shouldn’t screw up the racing any more than it already is
The reason you thought the race was boring was because nobody got to a back bumper and dumped the leader. Turn 1 is the only slow corner on the track, and if not for a restart on Saturday there would have been no action in that race either.
They should run 'The Boot' at Watkin's Glen... and add a jump.
And run xFinity and trucks at the same time!
@@Pfefferkuchenman Multiple classes on track at the same time...I like it!
gas is a finite quantity with a reserve or without a reserve having a 'reserve' is just a mind game. running out of gas is not only dumb, it's stupid.
Darrell Waltrip would say you gotta make that other reservoir bigger than anyone else's!
How to fix road course racing in NASCAR Cup Series? Only race at Sonoma and Watkins Glen, get rid of segments and race like the old days, put the gravel pits back at the Glen, race the carousel at Sonoma again, have a 43 car field and let more road racers attempt the races
Road courses don't need to "get fixed". Run what you brung, and hope you brung enough.
Maybe it’s time to run the boot area of the track
Maybe they should add another 7 road courses? I DVR'ed the race and was able to watch most of it in x2 speed and just watch the running order and look for yellow flags. I was through the race in 30 minutes.😁
I liked C Bell's idea. They need more power or they need to take away grip.
An older carburated motorcycle with reserve is a better way to explain.
EXACTLY. The problem is the car and not the stage caution breaks. All these people say bring the breaks back, when all that will do is slow things down and re rack them to just then spread back out again with no ability to pass. It doesn’t solve a damn thing.
Bravo to NASCAR for creating a car that now has aero push at road courses. They’ve really out done themselves
I like no stage stops at road courses.The best man wins, it is so frustrating when I guy can drive circles around everyone and the first chance someone gets on his bumper because a stage break he gets dumped, which that happens anyways with a weird late caution but if we can prevent cautions at road courses I say we do it.Old school strategy, best pace wins.
If you want better racing on a road courses, you either need a road course that suits the strengths of car, or change the car to suit the circuit. For a circuit like Indy, why not run a half oval/half road course layout? Instead of wrapping around the museum and then into the infield of oval turn 1, go onto the back stretch and run backwards through oval turns 2 and 1, and down the front stretch to turn one and let them open the cars up. Indy is the exception not the rule on layout, but maybe try tweaking road course layouts to better suit the cars. Obviously you can't make a drastic change to the car like IndyCar swapping front and rear wings, but there's got to be some changes you can make. Maybe more horsepower? Maybe winglets/an aeropackage? Maybe a "push-to-pass" button like IndyCar has that would help them attack/defend/accelerate out of the corners?
13:28 Mike hit the nail right on the head. No cautions for stages has brought back real racing in NASCAR something it's definitely lost since the implementation of stage racing. Yes I agree 100% with rewarding points during the race but do we really need a caution? Racing is about the best driver, team, and car standing out against the rest. It has been that way since the first people to soup up cars and compete. These race manipulating cautions have turned NASCAR into a show not racing.
Watkins Glen needs to run " the boot". Only way that track is interesting!
Seems like drivers are calling for more horsepower as the remedy. What if we narrowed the tire by 40%, but kept the big brakes? Would simulate a gain in horsepower with reduced traction, would allow drivers to overcook corners more easily, and would increase the differential in straightaway vs corner speeds.
Mike Davis Is Awesome
Mike did not comment on the fact that you're not tearing up as many cars with these stupid stage yellows? From dive-bombing?
Back in the day you never heard the tire was too good it was always the other way around
A taller treaded tire would fix everything
If the tire is "too good", you've found the problem. NASCAR shouldn't be like go karts.
1 - Single file restarts. 2 - Run the "Boot" section. 3 - Impose track limits (like F1). 4 - Lose the "Bus stop". 5 - Implement "local" cautions, eliminating full course cautions unless necessary. These would make the race better in my opinion.
Well, don't do 2 in a row would be a good start. Chicago was exciting.
It doesn’t have a single thing to do with stage cautions. The cars are just too good, the tires are too hard and the drivers are have gotten so much better at this type of racing.
A taller uniTread would solve everything and give some y'all back?
If you truly like racing they are entertaining.
Once I hit that switch on my motorcycle its time to start looking for a gas station quick.
If you want stages on road courses without sacrificing track position do the following:
Make the stage 20 laps but throw the caution out on lap 22. This gives the deserving top 10 a chance to pit on lap 21 and retain their earned track position at the start of stage 2. Then the true leaders of the race fight it out on the restart.
More hwp, take away the front splitter, and remove the diffuser.
Stages split into thirds of the race, or at least as close to as possible.
750 HP
Grooved tires
Flat Splitter
No diffuser
2 inch spoiler
Quicker steering ratio
Removing 200 pounds from the car to make it more maneuverable in places like esses.
Removing painted logos from the racing groove/runoff areas
Don’t have but 2 road course races a season and replace the ones with short track races 😮
stage break at the road course, yes. the xfinity races are so much more fun to watch imho. why can't we put the cup drivers in those cars with larger engines or more powerful? Now that would be like an IROC race probably. hopefully these new cars will get dialed in eventually, I'm glad they are at least safer.
dont' count yellow laps towards green?
There should never have been stage cautions. I don’t tune in to watch unnecessary cautions.