Trial Tube - Bultaco and Fantic - The Modern Twin Shock Trials Bike
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- čas přidán 16. 11. 2023
- As we approach that time of year when we start to think about Christmas, in Spain, they are gearing up for the Costa Two day Trial,
So in honour of that event, we have decided to get cracking with this week's incredible video where we have two trials of Twin Shock idols from the 70's and 80's go head to head!
However, don't be fooled by these classic machines fool you. These are incredibly modern builds and this is the way that Trials is looking for the future. In a post-modern classical way. (That doesn't make sense at all.)
As always we will review them and see what it's all about with a little help from our friends!
Pushing the limits of what's possible on an old air-cooled two-stroke!
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It brought me back to 1978. I had a brand new boltaco. It was blue. The weight was 230 pounds dry. I loved the bike, before that I had a 250 Honda stock. Both bikes were stock, but the bultaco ate that honda alive. I've always wanted to get one of the newer bikes but I haven't ridden trials ince then. I'm 73 and I was riding when I was 25-8. I've always loved trials, but I raised a family and didn't have the extra money. I sold it because I had kids. In fact, I sold the 78 because of my first child. I kinda regret it. I do love riding, but I've always rode a street bike since then. You'll learn a lot of stuff riding trials. You do a great job covering the sport. I stopped just a few points from being expert.
Thank you for this incredible comment and memory! We would love you back in the sport!!
Fantastic-connecting the future and the past in terms of rules, technology and riding style.
(Red 250 Bultaco & 1986 TY250 owner.) Thanks!
Right on!
Horquilla, tijas, basculante, rueda trasera completa, escape, caja de filtro, carburador, palanca de arranque, palanca de freno trasero..... Muchos cambios en esa sherpa. Buena pinta.
Oh aye
Only engine cases and barrel/head original ,I'd guess.
Owned a Bultaco Sherpa, 240 second hand Fantic then my first new one a 301 Fantic. Fantics never missed a beat, great bikes. PEMS garage in Rochdale supplied them. This took me back, my mate Phil had the 300 twin shock Fantic too 👍👍👍👍👍
It was awesome!!!
I've been riding my ty175 since 2000 and don't ever plan on stopping. Mick Andrews said they built the bike to last forever and I intend to prove him right.
Fair enough!!!
What a great video! Got to say if you are into trials this has got to be the go-to channel!
Thanks guys we appreciate it and will be sharing your next upload!
I transported back to the late 70,s when i rode in oxleas woods on my ty 80 never been so happy including my club road racing . Want to get into twinshock again soon 👍✊🏁
Right on, get on it!
ABSALUTLY Briliant lads !!!! Yes going back in time is what a lot of people are doing now < the bikes are easy to work on they don't have the complicated mapping systems they have now and why should they !! Its trials its about man or woman and machine we won't to be able to do mechanics in the middle of nowhere if needed , i remember i got a puncher in the six days and filling the back wheel with bog grass just to get back to carpark ( everyone in the car park was laughing at what i did !!! no chance of getting the tire beed off the rim know lol Anyway what a great video well done to you both absolutely brilliant !! i have an arial 500 but a WW2 one (iron head ) i think people would love to see Ben in another episode ????? well done !!!!!!!
He will be back indeed we have plans!
@@TrialTube now that would be an episode i would pay to watch .... Matt on an Arial 500.... No zaps or splats on one of those
Well maybe a couple of splats
Brilliant video👍 As an old bloke wanting to get into trials riding Im looking forward to more twin shock bike videos.
No worries I will make them of people are asking for them!
Superb fellas, loving it! ❤
Thanks!!
This was one of your best videos ❤,,, well done 👍
Thank you! We enjoyed making it!!! That’s the key I think
That was great.
Nice to see you featuring proper bikes ! 😂 Would have liked to get a bit more detail on the modifications
Next time
Another brilliant video.
Well done Danny, I was waiting for some time for this Fantic test 😊👍👍👍
Now I am waiting for the 3 good and bad points 😁
There’s nothing bad about these, it’s about taste! These are built in good taste!
im just a very average clubman in kent.. ive been riding mainly beta rev3 for 18 years .. great bike.. but ive just gotten a beast of a 349 montesa... it needs a few tweaks the brakes are terrible... but if i can clean a section on the montesa..it feels like i have won ..its a tank alright..but a sidestep away from the modern trials bike which hasnt changed much for last 20+ years... just keep it fun ... nobody cares if you win ...
Love this channel I live in Runcorn I’ll have to pop over there it’s only one hour and ten minutes up the road…. Keep doing what ya doing 👍👍👍👍👍👍👏♥️
Hell yeah! That’s a good plan dude!
I'd love a style of bike like that, but could it have a better seat? At least slightly larger, and higher. I understand that the seat may be in the way when doing the tricky stuff, but to just go on roads with occasional deviation to the playground, I'd really need a proper seat.
Of course, originally these machines would have a leather seat installed from the factory (a long time ago). But these have been built specifically for competition us and as you have seen there isn't a huge amount of sitting down going on... Thank you for the support and the comment!
Ok. But couldn't there be made some option seat for the 'inbetweeners' that like trial but are a little too lazy standing all the time?@@TrialTube
I enjoy these videos, but I must say I would really have liked a one minute walk round both bikes pointing out exactly what has been changed from stock
Good point!
Need more than a minute, chief.
That Fantic looks like my twin shock championship Gastic....even sounded like. GG...!
It’s a weapon!! Proper beast
Nice, but it would be better even nicer if you actually talked about WHAT was made to the bikes to give them a more modern feel.
A bit of feedback we have taken on board as this would be a full video for each of the two bikes. The changes are huge to get them to ride this good!
I never got on with the Bultaco, always felt too long, too low and too heavy. Absolutely loved the Fantic though ... Superb little machine
Totally agree
i had two fantics a 240 and a 301 and both were great.
Really got some respect for these machines!
My dad got me a bulty Sherpa 350 when I was 12 years old I hated it but I'd give anything to go back and do it again now
It wasn’t the easiest thing to ride I imagine. But this one was a dream! (Apart from the left hooker back brake!)
The first bike i bought with my own money was a 1972 Bultaco Sherpa 250, i paid £225 for it in 1977, that sound of the Bultaco took me right back, especially the high revs when i fell off, the left hand rear brake and kickstart took some getting used to.
Left hand rear brake 🤮🤮
That Sherpa Is so different from mine.. So Modified ! : frame, exhaust, nothing stock !
Yeah we know, it’s mental!
i have a friend that has a pristine all original bultaco sherpa 350 in his living room.........
That’s a proper addition to any living room!!
Good video, the older bikes just have more soul but would have liked to hear about some of the modifications that make these perform so much better than stock.
This is on the agenda ! 👍👍👍
I always enjoy these videos. I especially enjoy the twin short ones, but I would really like to know how heavily modded these bikes are.
We will have to make a detailed run-down!
Great video! I'd love to know about what mods he did to each one!! Some are obvious, but I imagine there are a lot more not so obvious. I have a Bul, a Fantic, an Italjet and an RTL and I love them all but I am not good at this -- trying to get better. Love your channel.
Good question! We are going to make a more in-depth episode which focus’ on all of this!
I had Bultaco 250 and 350 in 1979 . The quality of Bultaco for me was a disaster but it gave me losts of fun at that time. Hard to kickstart the bike, rear suspension leaked, front gear was frigile, fuel tank leaked....
Ahhhhh that’s a trials bike…
My first Trials bike after i stopped riding MX was the Bultaco 350, luckily i was able to change the gear & brake levers to the normal side to me, this change made life easier for me :) I'd like to know what changes he has made to the Bultaco, my clutch lever was pretty hard, the clucth would grab & the brakes that had chrome linings didn't work after going through water :(
Looks like we will have to do some more videos on these!!!
Still think its a great idea to get all the trials riders to have an RTL trials day !!!!! im certainly up for it !!! i will get a bunch of lads from scotland to attend it hey its a start
Mega idea, riding those machines are a serious effort…Ben can’t bring his though that thing is fantastic!
Got to do it ??? Next summer the start of the RTL trial ???? Lets do it !!!!
@@petecuthbertson554 10:4!!
An all honda trial ? RS"s , RTL s < TLM s,TLRs ( HEAVIN ) i will get a bunch of lads from scotland to attend it hey its a start ( make it a trial tube episode )
As a Bultaco Pursang owner I am impressed by the first kick, rather half hearted first kick start. What do you have the timing set at on this bike? Of course you have aftermarket electronic ignition. I have my 350 set at 2.4mm btdc.
Will ask Ben!
Is there a reklus on one of those bikes? They both look fun to ride.😊
No rekluse but my god they are fun!!
Don't forget to review the contemporary Monty 242!
Kind regards for you & your father.
Would love too!!!
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The reed valve monoshock Fantic motor is very different to the piston port ones fitted to twinshock bikes, lots more power, and if you use crankcases from a watercooled bike, the clutch isnt bad either. A better reed block, smooths out the power delivery and gives more top end. It would have been interesting to compare the Fantic, to one of the Drayton TY Yamahas, currently being developed, which I have heard have some very trick parts fitted?
Maybe another video!!!
@@TrialTube I hear the guy developing the TY Drayton has them running very well indeed, and it would certainly make a very interesting video, given the fact that Drayton are already making the currently most popular P65 bikes in the UK.
It was a great video that my kids loved watching with me, until the end, where you kept screaming "F***!!!" You Epic Bell End!!!
Sorry bud, it is listed as “not for kids” in this one instance. We will keep it PG from now on!
It took a lot of attempts to get that right!
I loved it, the kids loved it. The wife is fuming!!! :p
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Thanks for the support bud!!!
I accept that no-stop is the way the sport is these days because that's what modern riders want to ride, but here's a question. There's a trial with one section and two riders entered. One rides the section without stopping, not even a pause to make the wheel stop turning, no hop to help him make it round the tight turn, no twenty second stand on the pegs while he works out where he's aiming for (or just getting up the courage). The other rider does all those things i've just mentioned. Neither fell off or even put a foot down. Who would you give the trophy to?
Fastest man through the section
Man who has spent time learning to balance….joking. Both are on a clean right? So it would have to be another section to decide. Which is fair.
Only one set of rules splits the sport. The other lets you do what you prefer.
It all depends on how the section is set out, are we talking club or world round
As this is to different worlds and ends of the sport
I can ride both but prefer the stop style and of late don’t go to none stop events and find it annoying when I turn up enter and then are told by some one it’s no stop today
Or the odd observer it’s a five you went backwards
We must not stop either part of the spot but it’s not for all
@@TrialTube its a daft debate really. its been going on for forty years now. yes, trials started off as reliability trials to see which manufacturer could get their belt driven no clutch bike to the top of porlock hill without stopping, but its moved on just a bit since then. skiing doesn't have a problem with a multi discipline sport so neither should trials. some classes or events can be non-stop and some can be stop/wait/think/hop/fanny about. There's room for everyone.
How would you and Ben compare that trick 240 to the 200 ?
Depends how trick the 200 is? Mine is one of a kind
What year is that Bultaco because my dads 79 Bultaco Sherpa 350 the gear shift is on the left and rear brake on the right.
I know a few of them switched over, I will check!
you can have it either side on bultacos, definitely from 79 onwards and probably before then. The early , as in lates 60s early 70s bultos and monts had right side gearchange before changing over in later to left like other bikes. Bultacos left the option to change back to right hand gearchange easily on the production bikes but montesa didnt.
That Sherpa Is so different from mine.. So Modified ! : frame, exhaust, nothing stock !
Thanks for information. I also still have the wooden crate from a 1973 or 1974 Bultaco wooden shipping crate my dad turned upright and made a cheap cabinet. I still remember seeing that new bike in crate when I was small child
hahahaahha keep you fit boy's
Ya telling us!
Can you tell us again about no stop 😂
I can, it’s shit!
@@TrialTube 😂
He identifys as stop allowed 😂
It’s true!
Long live the CR500!
Oh yes!!!
@@TrialTube I have perfect trials conditions for ya here in S. Oregon!! Leatherfoot GPMX
Sounds a good trip!
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Thanks man!