DSEI 2017: Active Defence Systems by Rheinmetall
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- Jane's talks to Ronald Meixner of Rheinmetall about their modular Active Defence Systems, and plans for future vehicle protection.
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And will it protect also from Javelin style attacks?
My favorite
german products: medium quality, no innovation, very expensive
Tobias Stern lol are you butthurt?
ScopeN0Ob just a troll
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@@tobiasstern9818 Bmw,Mercedes,Audi medium quality, no innovation, very expensive ???????
What does it fire exactly to intercept incoming atgm and rpg warheads?
It's said that it uses "Direct Energy" to destroy projectiles. So not only it's ammo free but also it reduces collateral damage.
I think it’s a powder of some kind
@@crabbyjungle5670 no some people thought it was Explosive reactive armor but it's Directed Energy Reactive armor . I think it's just like the AMAP ADS aps .
No mention of the systems name 🤷♂️?
I always wondered what the wire frame around a tank is at 1:13
That is cage armor. Design to defeat grenade laucher weapon (RPG and the kinds)
Hold the enemy chicken combatants as POW.
RPGs, Kornet, Milan and Tow but what about more advanced missiles like the spike or the javelin can it defeat those ? I watched the video of Rheinmetall and there was no mention about high elevation threats.
ADS provides full hemispherical including top attack protection. At 1:21 you can see the countermeasure on the roof directed upwards.
@@jonny2954 oh yes I see it, thank you for the information.
Nice video 👍 interesting tech defence
New tank is quality!
what is the mbt revolution base on? L2A4 or other？
L2A4
There is not much A4 left in the revolution and evolution models. Basically the hull and the turret (A5 to A7 uses a newer turret design). There is even an upgrade powerpack for the Leopard 2, to free up a lot of space for fuel or ammunition.
Theoretically the revolution upgrade kit can be equipped to all Leopard 2.
No.
Rheinmetall (MaK) produced about half of all Leopard 2 till the A4 version. All later versions are built by KMW.
Rheinmetall is offering A4 upgrades, which don't require the change to the later turret model like KMW demands it.
The armor is different, the whole turret is different from A4 to A5 and later.
To upgrade an A5 or later with some components of Rheinmetall's demonstrator, KMW would need to implement them one by one OR Rheinmetall would have to throw all the KMW komponents out and replace them with their systems.
I ment the base model, most A5 and A6 are upgraded A4 so they could just convert them back to A4 to install the revolution kit.
Can it protect from Top Attack Mode like TOW and Javelin?
Well they tested against TOW as he said. But Javelin is another animal.🤔
Cool design
Really wonder why the german military didn't go for this one. I know trophy is combat proven, but this seems to be a lot safer for nearby infantry. Is it much more expensive than the trophy system?
They are going for this one. Trophy is only procured as a interim solution for the VJTF 2023.
@@jonny2954 tanks for answer. Do you have a source? I would like to read into this topic
sistema de proteccion activa hecho en Israel ya fue probado en combate y lo comprara US Y alemania
Will it work against DShK rounds.
why would you want the ADS to stop DShK rounds?
that would be incredible wasteful given DShK don't do anything against basically most armored vehicles and would be wasting the ADS ammunition
Iono Sama The problem is that I'm concerned that these rounds could damage the sensors. I've heard stories where rebels in Sudan have some very effective DShK rounds.
it wont fire against rounds smaller 40mm ... the sensors can be potentially damaged (like all the other sensors/systems on the outside), but to do that one would either need a very high accuracy or a saturation with long bursts or multiple DShk's ... and it would be suicidal to do this against a Tank that can kill you with one HE round from several kilometers :D
DShK is the russian version of the M2 .50cal... Every outside sensitive electronic parts will be affected for every tanks made in this world...
The best armor piercing round in existence for DShK will not scratch the actual armor of most armored vehicles that are rated to withstand 14.5mm rounds if not larger (tanks certainly would not care, but even many IFV today are immune to low caliber autocannon rounds with applique plates and not just frontally).
Will they damage the sensor or sight? they can... aimed correctly at least, but what the tank and vehicles fear the most is not being poured by volumes of machine gun rounds... because if someone is dumb enough to do that for any real length of time... they are basically dead since that's basically announcing their presence... right in the face of multiple armed armored vehicles.
what they fear the most is a sudden attack with anti tank weapon capable of penetrating the tank armor which is sudden enough that the crew could not react to it in time, and if they penetrate... can cause casualties to the crew.
And that is what ADS or APS are for... they are not meant to make the tank or vehicle invulnerable to all weapons, they are meant to provide an additional protection layer against the most dangerous weapon against tank and armored vehicles, to provide the crew time to respond and react.
Sistema trofeo de Isarel ya en combate desde hace 3 años
kostrad should have this
So it cant cater for anti tank rounds fired by other tanks ! Thats a bit 2nd lvl protection compared to others
well, the leopard2 still has the highest frontal protection of all MBT´s(excluding armata, because its unkown)
i don't think there is a extant ads that actually effectively stops sabot rounds
Can it defeat tandem warheads?
Yes. Tandem Warheads are used to counter ERA, not APS.
yes of cours
1:08 And what do we British turn up with? A bus with a machine-gun stuck to it!
hahaha thats sooo funny Matthew! Same as we Sweds..
the boxer? which is one of the best AFVs in the world right now?
I was thinking how did he know it was the british then saw the fucking thing. But na the boxers awesome, its not just a bus with a machine-gun attached to it, it can be a bus with an ambulance attached, or a crane, or a mortar, or a SAM system. Its a great bus
"TOW" not "toll"
There are many questions not asked by these interviewers are basically promoting the international defense industries (that's the primary goal of the Jane's organization). I can already see one major weakness which is that this system does not seem designed to handle top-attack ATGM's (like the Javelin and Spike ATGM's), guided mortar systems, and RPG's fired from rooftops. It is also unknown whether these systems will defend against an old but surprisingly effective anti-armor device- The Russian RKG-3 anti-tank hand grenade. These ancient grenades were used to surprisingly lethal effect in Iraq against light armored vehicles and MRAPs. Another concern is that the sensor and radar systems seem like they are very vulnerable to shrapnel from artillery, grenades, and HE shells as well as sniper or HMG gunfire. What does seem like an improvement over other APS systems like the Israeli Trophy (or at least older versions of the Trophy) is the ability to defend against volley-fire strategies. So while these systems are by no-means perfect protection, they should substantially reduce the number of losses from ATGM's and RPG's in any future conflicts. I also suspect that the issue of top-attack munitions will be addressed in future upgrades as that seems like a fairly logical area for upgrades.
Theoretically, yes, but I've not seen an armored vehicle using such a configuration which to me is rather strange.
The Leopard 2 ATD shown in the video has roof-mounted sensor and countermeasure units.
@Jonny. Yes, it does, but the countermeasure warhead component does not seem to be positioned to counter overhead munitions or top-attack mortars or ATGM's. That being said, the Turks could certainly use this current system as their Leopard 2's are being annihilated by YPG Konkurs ATGM's. Then again, very few (if any) tanks can take a side hit from such tandem-warhead ATGM's and survive.
They are positioned to detect and counter top-attack ATGM aswell as SMArt155 and other indirect fire top attack systems. One of the upward facing countermeasure can be seen here: i.imgur.com/JUkaixE.png
Besides that, turks won't use this APS. They have AKKOR and germany wouldn't do a technology transfer of the most advanced APS in existence to them, especially not now.
@placeholder That's simple. Because it gives the broadest range of coverage when mounted on the roof. However if you look at the countermeasure units in the video, they are NOT positioned to counter warheads coming from straight above the vehicle such as guided mortars, guided artillery, and top-attack ATGM's like the Javelin and Spike. I'm sure the Russians have a top attack ATGM and guided mortar rounds by now that they haven't unveiled.
how does it make rpg round epxplode ? :D there are no electronics in RPG7 simmilar rounds :D and the system shoots no projectile :D how does it make it explode ?
This system defeats RPG and ATGM though shooting a countermeasure at the incoming thread, so the warhead is defeated/detonated/rendered useless before it reaches the vehicle.
czcams.com/video/G02nmoDGJ1I/video.html Greets.
Omg do I look like totall idiot ? of course it detonate it before hit the vehicle.. -.- but how :D countermeasure - what is it ? I ask how can this countermeasure detonate the PG7V round for example !!! :D got my question now ? you just repeated what they told in video and what i can see in videos but what countermeasure is this ? :D just some magnetic pulse or what ?
It seems to be a DIME (dense inert metal explosive) principle. Instead of using metal plates or pellets in order to defeat the threat, the system might utilize (heavy) metal powder, i.e. tungsten powder or tantalum powder. When fired by a directed blast against a threat, the powder will behave similar to a solid metal body, in areas where powder denisty and velocity is high (so in the area near the launcher). However the powder will spread fast and the decelerate, this means it won't pose any danger after a distance of a few metres (to infantry) Either that, or composite flyer plates. It's not exactly sure how this system works, however it is sure that it is currently the safest and fastest system of its kind (was tested sucessfully against even APFSDS already in 2007).
What i like about German tanks are the rare view mirror.
vinish shetty rare? Rear you mean?
@@bobkamachi2346 well it's also rare
@@possiblyadickhead6653 true dat
Tiger tank 👍
After the show was finished:
Autobots. Transform!
I thought we were past this kinetic crap. Where are the countermeasures that utilize DEWs?
There too large right now
The Germans are now going with Israel's Trophy system, so I wonder what changed.
This hasn't reached full serial maturity yet so they went with Trophy as intermediate solution for the tanks participating in NATO VJTF 2023.
German sheers quality and perfectionist way always advance than the rest including Russo, just need to balance between winning the battle vs winning the war.
Cosmonaut Billy Turkish ruined leopard 2A4 reputation in Syria…
german products: medium quality, no innovation, very expensive
and still all these morons out in the world buy german technology,...must so hard to be the only one who knows the truth, eh?
As long as you believe it it as to be true
Tobias Stern BULLSHIT.
M1a2 10000輛
Made in GERMANY the best worldwide
Cough
@@possiblyadickhead6653 if you use it well, then its the best. The Leopard 2A7 is the best tank in NATO, probably can compete with every tank in the world.
@@ultron2-465 I doubt it's better than the t14 tho. Although that isn't really a tank in production either
If anyone successfully integrates Fool Proof Active protection system then overall weight of MBT will greatly reduce by reducing the conventional armour plating.
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Yeahhhhh, now the gun and ammo producers can sell new weapons/systems to defeat the defeat system ... if mankind will ever learn. Can u eat it? Does it give u shelter? Can you wear it? What happens with all the infantry around a Tank? Tank OK, Infantry Dead ... oh, lets make a ADS for infrantry.
MBT are not so important nowdays, when conflicts aren't tank vs tank but armoured vehicle vs guerrilla. Better highly protected, huge firepower IFV. Big calibers are less important. The MBT quota in armies should be reduced (but not eliminated - it's still impotant maintaining a mix of firepower and range).
Anyway, against MBTs, better missle/rocket saturation than hi-caliber MBT rounds - MBTs aren't budget-friendly and logistics-friendly too. They're blitzkrieg-friendly, though. Still, provided that you need mix and flexibility of solutions, money is better invested in aerial warfare for that.
So... Armata or MBT Revolution aren't that important.
Actually the close combination of MBTs, IFVs and the supporting infantry is the most effective, both in symmetric and asymmetric scenarios.
Maybe the plain stupid is the one who doesn't read well, or understand what's written. Or the one who doesn't know how to have a civil conversation.
Jonny, I do talked about combination. But the thing I remark is: how much an MBT costs vs an IFV? Against guerrilla, IFVs are much more cost effective. And how many symmetric conflicts vs asymmetric are there nowdays? Symmetric and asymmetric scenarios aren't the same, the mix of weapons you need is different. Moreover: how much 120/125 mm calibers are effective vs guerrrilla and in urban warfare? Yes, they are, but you don't need much of that, while 35 mm can do a very good job in lots of cases. Another good solution is the 105 mm Stryker, with no turret (so low profile and exposure). I DON'T SAY: NO MBTs. I say: MORE focus and investment on IFVs, less on MBTs.
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please more money
Done it for German army for the Boxer vehicle....pans to a vehicle painted up more British than tea and crumpets.....that was funny shit.
That what they had there as this was back when the British army were looking into adopting the boxer for British service.
We do not need a $2,5 * mil.tank!!!!!!!!!!
Quality > quanitty
It is only needed in time of war
Germany and West Europe will be taken from within. So this is not important at all...
nobby roberts I do not feel guilty at all. I am not citizen of West Europe. I live in one of the small Balkan countries and my grandparents were fighting Germans ant their allies around. ..
love this trash talking kids.... if you look at the muslim population in Germany since the 1960´s it alway went up and down between 3 to little over 5%.... We reached a peak in muslim population in early 2000 during the balkan war ...after the war the number went back to 3.5% and raised again during the refugee crisis in 2015 to 5.4%.... BUT and there is a big but... the largest part of muslims in Germany have either european background or are from Turkey...
1.8million muslims are german citizen...
Most musllims in Germany are from Turkey (founding member of NATO!), Albania (Europe), Kosovo (Europe), Bosnia-Herzigovnia (Europe), Romania, Bulgaria etc...
today only 9% of all new born kids in Germany have a muslim parent part....
Would not call that take over
SeKam learn english u noob.... I said that most MUSLIMS in Germany have european orgins.... means they are as european as the next christ ...unfortunatily the Balkan region is low on enducation :p as Se Kam shows...
german products: medium quality, no innovation, very expensive
@Tobias Stern next trash talking troll... because of it Germany is export powerhous
Germans - possibly the most excellent engineers, but man, not a single German can speak in front of a camera.
Ajun 2 is better than this expensive shit.
lol... please dont embarrass yourself
Labib Murshed I'm telling the truth.
Should I be laughing or crying...... Leopard 2 is the best tank in the world.
zs Xie no. The Ajun is a piece of shit
zs Xie YOU THIRD WORLD SHITHOLE.
This is just coppy of what Russian T-14 Armata introduces - 5 years ago ...
in putin's wet dreams
APS wasn't introduced by the Armata series lmao. They exist since the 1970s. And ADS outclasses Afghanit by far.
Angmir YOU ARE AN IDIOT
Angmir soviet suckers and trolls must be stopped!!
german products: medium quality, no innovation, very expensive
i agree on the expensive and somewhat on the innovation but quality they are top notch, if i look for good quality products first country that comes in mind is Germany second one is Japan.
that being said it doesn't seems like they are innovating like they used to in the past. like it was in WW2. and the prices let say are far from competitive.
Ah Ostdeutscher, that concludes everything I need to know.
HAHAHA good joke. REALLY!!!
You only know about destroyed 70s L2A4 tanks in Syria, with turkish crews. Right?