Night King's New Body? Jon Snow? Ice and Fire Endgame Theory
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- čas přidán 26. 02. 2023
- The evidence is accumulating - that's an accumulating Snow joke - the Others are going to come steal Jon's body, they're going to use him to lead their invasion of the Others... and they might be planning to fill it with the spirit of Night's King - the original one - who may be lurking in the weirwoodnet somewhere (this would be the Great Other). Detailed foreshadowing of all of this, right here!
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Love this new condensed format! I'm in the middle of a massive family crisis, and indeed do not have even 2 hrs to watch or listen to a full stream, no matter how much I want to. This is the break for fiction and myth that I need right now. Praise Garth.
Sending love and positive energy
These vids are so comforting! Hope you are ok sending good Garth vibes
I hear you - I'm in the same situation. Sending good vibes.
Thanks for all the good vibes and kind words. They're much needed. I send you all back much gratitude, and the blessings of the Old Gods. Love from the North. (That means Canada.)
oh no it's not new, it's back to the good ol' days!
Jon Snow being the Night King does make a lot of sense. In fact, this could easily be the reason Jon chooses to go back North of the Wall with the Wildlings at the end of the story if they choose to go that route.
Have you heard that GRRM is going to an ayahuasca ceremony to help break his writer's block on Winds of Winter?
@@ModMax69 No.
@@ModMax69 Can I get a source for this?
His dreams of the kings of winter telling him that he doesn't belong in the winterfell crypts adds substance to that idea.
What's at the bottom of the crypts anyway?
@@alvimgabriel4400 We may or may not ever find out.
@@neuralmute Why?
What if Winterfell is the original Nightfort?
@@alvimgabriel4400 There's a lot of doubt about whether GRRM will ever actually finish this series - ADWD is older than my 12 yr old niece now, and we still haven't got Winds of Winter yet.
I really love how you’re constantly looking at new ways of growing your channel and trying new styles, really separates you from the rest of the ASOIF channels.
This channel is truly unparalleled in its unique and detailed predictions or foreshadowing, from insights in symbology. This topic is one of my favs too
I really enjoyed the stream, and the highlight video is super fun as well. Love seeing all the great art. The Others using John's body reminds me of how Theon/Reek's body was used to get the Boltons into Moat Caillin and recapture it from the Ironborn.
oh interesting parallel
@@DavidLightbringer Oh, Gods! Thats beautiful! And the story is full of people opening a "postern gate" during a siege! Oh, new theory this second: Jon is going to lead the Other's through the Black Gate! You heard it hear first! David Lightbringer you are welcome to use it! It is building on your thousands of hours of hard work! All of our community really!
@David Lightbringer It ties in to all the door symbolism doesn't it? Probably it's the door Hodor will hold, right? Fuck, that was your theory from like five years ago, wasn't it? Well, full cirkel! Or a spiral, going a little higher every time we start back.
Moat Cailin is itself a nice Nightfort parallel. It is a big black abandoned cursed castle with a reputation of dark magic. It is in itself a kind of wall, or a fort on the wall that is the swamp of the Neck!
I think Stoneheart will play a role in Jon's 'true' resurrection too. It'd make a nice way to wrap up Berric's fire of life plot thread and also a satisfying end to Catelyn's story arc; after she's had her revenge on the Frey's and restored Riverrun to Tully control (her 'unfinished business'), atoning for the injustice she committed in life. At least, I feel like Cat has some big role to play in the story, and that the animosity between her and Jon was played up a lot, and that it's going to have some payoff.
In any case, with how vocal George is about his views on death and resurrection in fiction, it'll no doubt be one of the ways the books differ from the show majorly. On tenterhooks here waiting for your next vid!
i don't see how LSH and Jon get in the same location, LSH isn't leaving the riverlands IMO. And no, the animosity wasn't played up in the books at all, it was more so in the show, and then even more so in the fandom, it's a very minor plot point
@@DavidLightbringer I usually agree with you, but I've been thinking about this theory for quite a while now, and I do think it could happen. Lady Stoneheart might hear rumors about Arya reaching the Wall (whether it's actually Jeyne Poole or Alys Karstark, it doesn't really matter), and ride there after avenging the Red Wedding in TWOW. Arya won't be at the Wall, of course, but Bran might be there after surviving the Others' assault at Bloodraven's lair thanks to Hodor's sacrifice. Bran would then reveal the truth about Jon's parentage to Lady Stoneheart, who would finally overcome the shame and pain that the idea of Ned's infidelity caused her, being able to love Jon enough to give him the Kiss of Life, sacrificing her own life for his. It would be a beautiful, seriously unpredictable ending for Lady Stoneheart, so it makes sense in regards to George's poetic, subversive writing.
What sold this theory to me is Ned Stark's prayer in Bran's vision: "Let them grow up close as brothers, with only love between them. And let my lady wife find it in her heart to forgive". George could have written "let my wife forgive" and it would still work as literal foreshadowing, but the fact that he chose to include the very specific words "LADY" and "HEART" turns the sentence into a subtle reference to Lady Stoneheart. The absence of the word "stone" might imply that Catelyn will stop being Lady Stoneheart after forgiving Ned's alleged infidelity, since the heart of this lady will no longer be made of stone.
It is true that Catelyn's hatred towards Jon is mostly a thing from the show, but we don't need Catelyn to hate him that much for this theory to work. It's more about her finding peace by knowing that her beloved husband never betrayed her, so she was never actually dishonored as a woman. Lady Stoneheart's actual hatred and thirst for revenge would then be redeemed coherently, by one last good deed. And I think it fits perfectly with Jon too, since he would be resurrected by the love of the mother he never had, fulfilling an honest prayer made by the man who swore to protect him. Ned isn't his father and Catelyn isn't his mother, but they are his family, and both of them are still taking care of him even in death.
Whether this ends up happening or not, I think Catelyn needs to do much more than just killing the Freys. Beric Dondarrion was resurrected several times for a purpose, but the man didn't came back after giving the Kiss of Life to Catelyn. This means that the Lord of Light's sole purpose for Beric's resurrections what bringing Catelyn back to life. I don't see R'hllor using Beric to resurrect Catelyn only to avenge the Red Wedding. Why would an actual god give two shits about that? But I do see him resurrecting Catelyn for something truly important, such as giving the Kiss to Jon Snow, the person who will literaly end the War for the Dawn. If she doesn't do this, she needs to do something equally important for her resurrection to make sense.
I love this theory! I think it could totally work & give a satisfying end to LSH/ Cat.
@@misery441 great theory!
Lady Stoneheart is a great story line. I can't believe Dan and Dave left it out of the TV series.
A welcome surprise. Garth cares for his followers. Praise be
Really appreciate your efforts to make a more condensed version. Been too busy for the streams but i always love hearing your ideas. Your insights are a huge part of why i started reading the series instead of just binging lore vids and its really enhanced the experience so far.
If they don’t announce Ser Pounce as a major character of this series… I’m out.
This was cool, I watch all the livestreams but having a condensed recap is helpful to keep all that info straight. Great work LML and Praise Garth!!
Thank you LmL. Your videos have been amazing and the livestreams have been so fun.
I love the full streams, but the quality on these is so good! I love seeing the high res video of you that you recorded specifically this. Without the live chat, it maintains the immersion for me because I can see you so clearly. You should include more of that. Thanks for the content. (:
This is great! I don't have a lot of time these days so a condensed format of your live streams is just perfect
Love the analysis! Keep it coming!! ♥️
This is a great format bro. Thank you!
I’m all for the 3 hr streams and the condensed versions too! The Moon Door hitting the wall moment from one of the Eyrie read along chapters was pretty great, would make a good short vid.
simplifying your produced videos by stiching together livestreams is very clever and flows really well ! love this format david !
Thank you for your efforts with the shorter format. I love your channel and exploring these topics, and these are easier for my schedule and much appreciated.
Absolutely love this format! Keep up the great work man!
What an excellent video, as always! The Rattleshirt/Others parallels are very compelling.
Looking forward to you making more of the short form content, I like it when the video is more focused on one topic rather than a 3 hour stream.
Thank you for this. I still watch all your long formats. I'm about to finish A Storm Of Swords. Thank you for igniting my love of the books. Every time I come across something you have dived deep into tune into the books on a different level!!
Fantastic as always.
Your breakdowns, rereading and pointing out all the symbolism is A+. You make ASOIAF just that much more enjoyable.
Thank you.
Love the chapter breakdowns... The way you pick apart the symbolism without losing focus the overarching is impressive. My girl and I watch every chapter reread you stream on Sundays! Love Bro!
Thanks for the produced video. It's perfectly done. 🦉♥️
I can't wait to see how this all plays out but I think you nailed it!
Aye Davie cheers for cutting these doon a bit, yer right I dinnae hae time to watch the livestreams or VODs, 30 minutes length is purfick 🤝
I really want in place of Jon and Dany a very necrophilic novel by Jon and Val. The Cadaver King and his queen-sorceress. Remembering that necromancy is not only for the Others, it exists in Essos with great force in Qohor, K'dath and Asshai.
Nicely done!
Thanks for all the hard work and time
Really enjoy your channel.
It's been a hot minute since I've seen a video of yours i just needed a break from ice and fire because I was having fits of depression from restarting the series over and over and winds never showing up to the party. I learned alot and loved and books more and more but mentally I was breaking from being at a stand still you know? Anyways all I'm trying to say is that hearing that intro brought back some real feel good vibes and the bong is loaded so LmL take me somewhere else and as always thank you for the content.
Condensed format is well done! I love listening to the livestreams but i'll admit sometimes i'm out of time.
Love these shorter videos! More please!
Interesting theory. Pretty convincing as it does seem like a way to reconcile both the Night's King and the Night King, the one in the book and the one in the show, and we know D&D was working with GRRM's direction.
Thanks for this!
OMG! The best surprise. A new LML video with condensed best moments of the lasts lives. Thank you!
Hope this format encourages more people to watch those long 3 hrs streams!
This was fun 😄
I’ll watch the long and short videos thank you for making them for us
Great video as always Lml! Praise garth.
Oh!!! This is a nice surprise ♥️🥳
I have a question for all you native speaking folks, what is the actual meaning of the word wierwood? Did Grrm made it up completly or does it have an actual meaning? The german translation is wehrholzbaum, which translates into something like defendwoodtree in english
Wierwood is a made up word, but it has meaningful parts. The Wier part comes from historic water management, Wier is a word for fish trap, or a structure to manage water levels within a section of stream, or nests for some fish, like salmon, and the last name of a favorite musician of GRRM's. It could be any or all of these definitions.
wow thank you!
check out the video "Secret Origins of the Green Men: Garth the Green Man"
New Lightbringer? Nice
I am optimistically hoping George is putting the finishing touches on winds and we will have it soon
One more winter...
A Westerosi one though.
Have you heard that GRRM is going to an ayahuasca ceremony to help break his writer's block on Winds of Winter?
@@ModMax69 that’s news to me. Sounds like something George would do though.
I've only just really found your channel after finishing the books for the first time and I feel like reading them again, such is the substance within these videos - I am really looking forward to getting further into your content!
On a side note, may I just say how very cool it is that you go to the trouble of labelling and crediting the art you feature in these videos. I've had my art work feature in youtube content a few times and as flattering as it is to see a piece of my art show up, the disappointment I feel when the content creators in question simply don't bother to credit anyone, or make some pale excuse is quite disappointing, so thank you for being as considerate as you are! Keep up with the fantastic content... I feel like making much ASOIAF art work now, cheers!!
Yeah I feel very strongly about it! Do you have art posted online then?
@@DavidLightbringer I do, but at this time it is predominantly Warhammer themed with the exception of fan art from the GoT show. Going forward I'll probably attempt to illustrate some of the ASOIAF theories - there's a lot of inspiration to draw from!
Thanks again for your consideration David and for providing the imagination fuel!
Love the format , all hail Garth
Ah, I love seeing some shorter videos inbetween again.
I still have some streams on watch later, but I'm happy to be able to watch something shorter inbetween again too
I do LOVE the readalongs…. These are fun midweek though!
So, Jon Snow would be the prince that was promised. If he is the son of Rhagar then he would be a prince. He was promised to the Night's King as a new body. He plunges his flaming sword into Dany's fiery heart. So, Azora Ahai and the prince that was promised are one and the same.
Happy Monday, DLB.
I love this format. Keep up the great work!
Great vid! Looking forward to Jon Snows Pyre
Since I indeed do not have the time at the moment to watch the livestreams, this is more than welcome. Certainly if it's as good as this! This give me some insight on where to go with Jon. As I expect Dany to follow the path of both the BE and AA (who I believe to be the same person, per George's heart-in-conflict duality), and in that order, I also expect that Jon will mimmick the NK and LH (who I believe to be the same person), again in that order. So this was a lot of food for thought.
The last minute made me prick up my ears, when talking about pyres and everything, because in one of his dreams Jon thinks that he should one day uproot and burn the weirwood in the heart of Winterfell (Heart of Winter what?). So now I'm definitely looking forward to the next video.
It's impossible for Jon to reproduce he's dead. But what you said about the zombie of Ice and Fire we already have with The Cold Hands, Jon can become a Wild Hunt General something like BUT an undead with awareness.
he might be able to have like, a shadow baby, but yeah I don't think he and Dany need to conceive
@@DavidLightbringer The only one I can imagine conceiving a baby with her is Crow's Eye much like what Randall Flag did.
@@DavidLightbringer And why don't you make a video showing how toxic masculinity is debated within ASOAIF? It's so curious George RR Martin doesn't read manga and watch anime but still has so many characters who look like women and are cisgenders like Karl The Maid,Loras Tyrell who object in this society dominated by men like Victarion, The mountain who are more adept at masculinist ideas, because they are the best warriors than ALL of them together. Even Jaime looks like a woman at the beginning of the books.
Much better format.
Yay! A short video
Fantastic!
David coming with the heat love it
Very nice video. As one that is able (thx to Garth and ADHD) to enjoy your content at a DELIGHTFUL x2 Speed, I will gladly admit, I may very well be in the one percent when it comes to watching all of the 3+ hour long videos. This content, however, is a delightful bitesize change of pace and a wonderful sharable video to show Friends and Family as I wage my war to getting LML to 100k subscriptions on YT.
Be well, prosper, know love and thx for all your hard work ♥
I love listening to you read
Thanks
Hope I didn't miss you already say this, but hearing you say Qorin many times made me hear it like 'Corn'. And he's obviously a sacrifice for Jon to be able to join the wildlings
And then rattleshirt gets burned for mance, we definitely have foreshadowing here
the way LML sees asoiaf frames it closer to Joyce, Ezra Pound, Borges whatever. GRRM is a smart tv guy for sure
check out the House Tully stream - I talked about Joyce and Finnegan's Wake for a solid half hour I think :) and yes absolutely thats the tradition I GRRM partaking in
@@DavidLightbringer lovin it
more of these short ones pls
i imagine this scene: the others show up outside the wall and just stare and wait. they are close enough to wifi his corpse and boom hes back as an other, this special night king spirit. what if, knowing jon is who he is, they literally have the lord commander simply open the gates and let them through with no fight and its just this super grim scene where theyre basically watching the world end lol. moon meteor is better
Sir, you need to let us know where we can listen to that super jazzy version of the GoT theme cuz it SLAPS!!!!!!!!
I hope wind of winter ends with a epic winterfell showdown between Azor Ahai cosplay Stannis vs Nights king otherised Jon Snow. That would be some epic mythical astronomy
Ayyy first heart from sensei
Jon Snow is the Azor Ahai. Stannis does not have all the attributes to be considered the Azor Ahai. Other than that George.R.R Martin loves surprises, and Melisandre saying that Stannis is the azor ahai every 5 seconds It wouldn't be a surprise but something obvious if the story went that way.
@@TheOneLobo.He's not Azor Ahai. Stop ignoring pretty clear facts
@@claiku Dude, Let the next Book launch, and wee will see who is right or wrong.
@@TheOneLobo. We all know who is Azor Ahai even without the next book. Some people just prefer to ignore, because it's not their fav 🤣
That intro music is funky as hell. Is that you laying down the bass?
yes sir and my cousin on keys
Got you with the like and comment bro
I dont know if anyone ever mentioned this, but YEARS ago, there was a sample chapter on Georges blog, and the PoV was Ghost. It was taken down shortly after it appeared. I didnt get to read it. But I sewar to the gods, old and new, it was there. So Im pretty sure Jon will in fact be stuck in Ghost, at least for a while.
"the skirling pass" Skirling is a high pitched wail or scream in Scottish btw
something a Banshee might do, or the skirl o the pipes (bagpipes)
Everything David does is an effing masterpiece
fire made yt video
Was the night fort built on a cliff that was the original wall? When they head back down with Sam into the well they are at ground level and they defend 200’ to the black gate???
Glad to see this one, David. Amazing, you continue to raise the bar for yourself!
We have been a bit out of step with saying farewell to old dogs, my geologist wife's father becoming hospice adjacent, and various *other things*. We never could put any plausible geology to Hardhome. Oh well, pesky fictional landscapes. A lot of Middle Earth does not make much geomorphological sense either. Praise Garth!
oh yeah that's right, Hardhome. I should just fire all my tinfoil one day
"Dying is easy, comedy's hard." Rodney Dangersnow
Finally got a chance to watch a video- really enjoyable! I've been dealing with multiple crises lately and this format is great. I'm looking forward to getting back into watching your content.
Also just wanna add that your speculation regarding Jon, while potentially shocking, is a great deal more well reasoned and logical than Dany's senseless heel turn in season 8.
I am definitely on board with this theory.
that's real NICE thank you!
Luv the graphics especially on shrooms
The hype is real! Gimme ASoIaF's new calender and TWOW right now or at least until christmas 😍
I'm a really big fan of the Jon Snow as Night's king theory. An oft not talked about aspect of it at least if its partly done of his free will is that itd add layer of maybe tragedy to a Jon who needs to convive a righteous Dany who's perhaps about to take her fire and blood a bit too far.
Do you think Jon is being chosen for a specific reason to be the vassal for the nights king? the nights king could theoretically be put into anyone so why jon? or is jon the only one who could be the vassal?
Get the lightbringer to 100k! He's the best..it is known. 👍
7:40 a missed strong hint! In our world’s mythology it is sometimes said that if you wear a skin of a strong animal, you gain it’s strength. (Like Dany with the skin of the lion) In darker myths it’s even said that cultures that practiced cannibalism did that to gain that person’s strength and wisdom! I believe something like that is also at the foundation of house Bolton. And at the case of Rattleshirt as well
So Azor Ahai’s spirit could’ve taken over ‘Brandon’ Lord Commander Stark’s body and mind during the Long Night with the help and distraction of Corse Queen. She put a spell on him either way.
yes absolutely, that could be the case. Azor Ahai coming back out of the wnnet as NK.. that could be a body-snatching, absolutely
@David Lightbringer Jugular means neck. You mean the Carotid artery
Its a really really good theory. I hate it because I want Jon Snow to be the king in the end and it's a 100% biased lol but yeah this theory stacks up, great work!
I am assuming he will betray the Others and become Azor Ahai reborn
Talk about subverting expectations. 😮
"what is the winds of winter? a story we tell ourselves... over and over... until we forget that it will not arrive" Petyr Baelish probably
Rewatch binge 🎉
Per LML, he condensed this theory into a short video JUST FOR ME. Don't be jealous!
just for you Boba
camera lookin good
Some descriptions from Biblical Revelations also add credence to this theory. "The hair on his head was white like wool, as white as snow, and his eyes were like blazing fire." Jon Snow already has a bunch of Jesus parallels but having the reborn Jon with Targ features lead a White Walker army in the final battle as the Night King would perfectly match this parallel.
great comparison
Ol' Jack Frost coming back with a vengeance 👍
LETS GOOOOO
15:29
Heeeeere's Jonny!
Thank you for shorter videos! I love your videos but sometimes a 2 hour video is a bit daunting 😅
While the night king could resurrect a dragon, maybe the Valyrian magic would prevent it from controlling a dragon without a body of Valyrian blood.
yeah something like that, they need Jon to be part Targ for some reason
Dope
Wonderful video! I'm currently rereading ASoS and I noticed that Jon reflects the Nights King in one of the scenes when the wildlings are sieging the wall. He like the Nights King spies a pale woman from atop the wall. He is looking at Mance's tent with Aemons telescope and spots Val and Dalla
On the edge of the Wall an ornate brass Myrish eye stood on three spindly legs. Maester Aemon had once used it to peer at the stars, before his own eyes had failed him. Jon swung the tube down to have a look at the foe. Even at this distance there was no mistaking Mance Rayder’s huge white tent, sewn together from the pelts of snow bears. The Myrish lenses brought the wildlings close enough for him to make out faces. Of Mance himself he saw no sign this morning, but his woman Dalla was outside tending the fire, while her sister Val milked a she-goat beside the tent. Dalla looked so big it was a wonder she could move. The child must be coming very soon, Jon thought.
I will definitely be checking out the playlist :)
god find, and it's even heavier when Jon goes beyond the Wall to meet Val in ADAD. It's an entire NK / NQ thing. They're quite the pair
Thank you :D
If you'd be so kind as to indulge an unrelated question
I noticed a snippet from a Clash of Kings I thought was intriguing. Does this excerpt from Sansa (during the battle of the blackwater) read like an early foreshadowing of Brans adventures beyond the wall to you?
Through the quiet, the singing pulled at her. Sansa turned toward the sept. Two stableboys followed, and one of the guards whose watch was ended. Others fell in behind them.