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- čas přidán 23. 06. 2019
- New footman Jimmy is Thomas' next object of affection. This can't end well...
Thomas Barrow is going through a pretty rough time at the moment. He's convinced that he's going to lose his job and almost everyone in 1920's England hates him.
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"It's not against the law to hope" 😂 his lines is solid gold.
But it is against the law to grope
Hope has kept me alive
@@Fannibal1991 haha
But it is always a crime to delude oneself 😁
"I'm not foul, Mr Carson. I'm not the same as you, but I'm not foul" Such a powerful line ♥
Lonely Rat Girl when then fuck did he say that ... I’ve watched it 10 times and didn’t hear him say anything like that
@Paul Chamvuthipreecha It has been cut in this clip, but he says it at the end of the conversation where Carson calls him foul.
@Ber P. Maybe it's a cliché now but it couldn't have been at that time when homosexuals were vilified and being a homophobe was pretty much normal.
As for Thomas' boldness in saying that, well he just learned he was about to get fired so I'm sure in his head he was like 'why the fuck not?'.
Lonely Rat Girl such a powerful line 🥺
There's a whole comedy genre based around sassy Irish maids getting one up on their social "betters"? Can you list a few of these gems for reference?
Feel so bad for all these people who were tortured souls living in a time period full of hate and disgust for their uncontrollable feelings. It really is heart breaking to think about.
And who kissed thomas while he was sleeping I must have missed that bit with having a good srink on me lol
Grace X
It is. :(
theBBC drama, Man in the Orange Shirt, is so well done, showing similar storyline (part 1), the 2nd part is a follow up set now. In the new movie (you probably seen it by now) Thomas gets a kiss and visits a gay club of the time.....
BLM is racist ! Take your head out of the sand when it comes to everybody else
And that's why Thomas is like he is towards others, he is such a tortured soul and I'm so glad he met that man in the movie. He deserved to find love at last.
"I'm not foul, Mr Carson. I'm not the same as you, but I'm not foul."
Thomas Barrow ❤️🧡💛💚💙💜
Nazgul Lord Where is this line of dialogue?
@@JMCNYC79 They didn't include it in this clip. He says the line in his conversation with Carson, after he calls him foul.
@Vishwas Singh Hail!!
Carson, the most macho condescending ass who married an ugly wench.
Brilliant line. #GayPrideBaby
Lol the description is so savage "Almost everyone in 1920's England hates Thomas"
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@@DowntonAbbey LMFAOOO
@@DowntonAbbey you give no fucks, do you? 🤣 this is why you're the best show OF ALL TIIIIIIIIIIME 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
@@DowntonAbbey Didn't know Downton Abbey had an SoMe-team. Carson couldn't possibly approve of this!
I’m crying... to be so betrayed over and over. The tears in his eyes at Jimmy. The shaky voice talking to Carson. The actor who plays Thomas Barrow has me completely mesmerized from start to finish.
am I the only one seeing a sexual assault?
Betrayed?? He freaking assaulted the guy. I know he is gay, but thats no reason to violate someone's consent.
@@jasonargonaught8744 no. I think the actor is just so believable that I took his side I suppose. But I completely understand what you’re saying and I can see it from that perspective❤️❤️❤️ thank you for helping me see it differently
Honestly I haven’t watched the whole show, I used to binge watch clips and such. 🤷♀️
@@raina2319 I commented on another person here and I do see it from a different perspective now. I think because the actor himself is such a lovely man and I got caught up in his amazing acting.
I haven’t watched the clip in a very long time so idk what is even on it at this point.
All I can remember is a kiss and I didn’t consider that sexual assault. BUT I do think that could be due to my own experiences in life when I’ve been kissed against my choosing …
Either way, you’re completely entitled to your opinion ❤️❤️❤️
I started screaming "no Thomas!" when he went into his bedroom.
I was like "this is so cringy" about the whole thing, from the setup to the sleep kiss
@@SerenaBlackCat "this is so cringe"??? More like "this is so sexual assault-y"
I was shouting "yes Thomas go for it " - I was terribly disappointed how things worked out
Thomas has shown a lot of growth as a character. Even though he did some mean things in the beginning, I found it hard to dislike him. I hope he finds happiness in the movie. He deserves it.
Bless you.. 💋
Ros: I agree, and ppl who do mean things and have darkness have old traumas and unhealed wounds, are unhappy. He was so vulnerable at times, showing great sensitivity, loneliness and pain.
I really liked his character despite him sometimes being mean, something about his personality just draws me to him ig
I feel bad for Thomas. Although you certainly shouldn’t go into someone’s room and kiss them while they’re sleeping.
In that case , he can come into mine , i will be more than delighted Lol
exactly. what he did was wrong because that's assault, not because that's a man
Yeah that was cringy to watch, and uncharacteristically dumb of him too
@@rebeccarodrigues2540 I thought the same way too at first, but the more I think about it, the more it makes sense. He likes Jimmy and he wants Jimmy to like him too, so bad that he makes himself believe. He says "you have to read people when you're like me" but after being alone and in fear for so long, it's normal for him to misread people from time to time
@@nekonao9471 even if i was convinced that someone likes me i'd only try to kiss them when they're awake fjdlks;ahgsh
Really hope Thomas finds love in the movie. He was an ass but he suffered so much. And i love how despite being gay and a villian he isnt just merely a gay villian stereotype he has lots of dept and you can easily understand why he is the way he is.
Golden Rose I hesitate to call him a villain because of all he’s suffered.
@@bymeerabrowngothicroyal Meh in the first two seasons he was undoubtly a villian and an asshole. Its only when James Kent came to downton i really started liking him. Though even before that i could relate at times like with the duke and wounded soldier.
Golden Rose are we just going to forget his work at the hospital and his friendship with Sybil and is love for Edward? But I agree with you on the first bit.
@@bymeerabrowngothicroyal edward is the soldier and i did like how he worked in the hospital but honestly his friendship for Sybil was only showned when she died after i liked him
Golden Rose I disagree but your entitled to your opinion.
I love the way the writer/s of Downton Abbey create such complex characters. Thomas is not a perfect person, but he is still a sympathetic character when he is being persecuted for no good reason. I absolutely adore the complexity of the characters and seeing their struggles and their solutions to the sometimes bizarre problems that approach them. I've always said that most good tv shows create the feeling of family amongst the characters, and "them below stairs" certainly qualifies.
He certainly is *the* character to hate and love 😊
@@suzawilo I tell my patients that all the time but they hate him bc he messed with bates 💀
^^^^
This makes me sick inside. Not because there's a gay character, but bc of the way he's treated. He's conspired against, insulted, invalidated. It hurts that there are still places where this is entirely logical. I feel this pain, this sense of dread for my future and my life, knowing that holding hands with my girlfriend in the wrong place or near the wrong people is *risking* *my* *life*
he is also a predator who sneaks into other people's Bedrooms without being invited. And don't for yourself. Things are completely different here in the west
Leilane Herondale There’s still hate crimes in the west
ew lesbian
@@user-ed6eu8ts3h not funny
Leilane Herondale He’s not a predator.
As a queer person living in a heavily homophobic country this physically hurts me. How he doesn't even flinch when he's being called foul and twisted by the nature. No one deserves this.
I wish you well.
It was the same in the 1950s , thankfully we have moved on , unlike many other countries, especially those in the Middle East
@@howard4510 "Religion poisons everything," Christopher Hitchens.
Wow.. love to chat
It is a movie fool
Oh, I wanted to hear "I'm not foul Mr. Carson. I'm not the same as you, but I'm not foul". That line is beautiful :/
I loved Thomas in the series and cried a few times for him when he dealt with his orientation. Mr. Carson "Your revolting world" and crude remaks went on felt like I was being whipped and persecuted.
😗
Jimmy Kouba Sameee.
Of the whole series, I hate OBrien the most.
Yup, she was pure evil. I WISH Cora would've somehow found out just how evil O'Brien actually was..
Absolutely
@Babyface0603 Absolutely, with cunning seductiveness too. When the baby face describes his lonely life and losses he is quite the actor, but no tears, sad.
Shrimpies wife is right up there with her
Thomas was my favorite character. His character arc took my emotions on a rollercoaster ride. I cannot wait to see him in the film.
I do hope he gets happiness in the film...sad that some on here and Facebook still live in the dark ages with the comments being posted.
I forgot how much O'Brian annoyed me 🙄
I will never forget
Frigging hate her
She was so evil! Especially in season 3.
Ms. O’Brian is the most vile woman, I hate her so much.
this bitch enjoyed the ploys and shit she pulled more than Barrow. I cant believe they kept this witch around as long as they did. The crap that came out of her mouth just once I would have sent her ass packing.
I hated thomas, but man i felt his pain having to hide his reality in that time period. Overall amazing actor being a lovable antagonist.
is this a soap opera?
More or less
God damn O'Brien really knew no shame or empathy did she?
O'Brien always felt she belonged upstairs rather than downstairs. Nothing good could come from this fact.
Total snake.
When I saw him and Jimmy look at each other I thought he's finally gonna get lucky...until jimmy started being like "ugh why is he always touching me"
I felt so sorry for Barrow during the last season especially, and by the last few episodes I cried for him a few times. When little Master George calls him, “Mr. Bawwow” how can you not feel for him? It has to be good writing if in the end I cried for my least favorite character!
“Does his lordship know about this?”
“No.”
“Then I’m gonna tell him!”
“And how would you do that without telling him the rest of it?”
Funny thing is, Grantham (along with Mary) _already_ knew Thomas was gay, but kept him on regardless. It’s kind, but at the same time illustrates their difference on position, as back in that day you could basically “afford” to be gay, if you had enough sway to bribe the authorities. Thomas, however… does not.
How did Grantham and Mary knew he was gay, it's not like he told anyone ??
@@6donie811 Open secrets. Plenty of modern day examples coughLyndseyGrahamcough
When Lord Grantham was going to America he took Thomas with him as his valet. Lady Mary said 'He will enjoy that, all the young stewards strutting along the boat deck" Lord Grantham was surprised she knew.
"you have been twisted by nature into something foul and even I can see that you did not ask for it", ugh, I hate this line so much, not because it's badly written but because it's so real. I had similar things said about me by a homophobic teacher who quote "thought I was evil" but it felt it was her duty to "try and fix me." normally carson is a fairly likeable character but it's so hard to forgive how homophobic he is here, even if it was period accurate.
I am also gay and I sort of disagree, or at least have a different interpretation. Carson isn't being homophobic in that scene. He already knew that Thomas was gay - they all did. If Carson was truly homophobic, he would have fired Thomas immediately and without a reference - and then he would have called the police and had him arrested. Actually, he would have did it a long time ago.
But the second part of his sentence is what matters. "Even I can see that you did not ask for it". Yes, calling someone foul is bad, but he actually does see Thomas as a human being and has sympathy for him, which is why he is being allowed to resign with a reference, so that he can easily find work elsewhere. In these times, Carson's response here was the absolute best outcome Thomas could have hoped for.
@Mark Thompkins I'm going to have to disagree. Just because carsons viewpoint was typical of the time period does not mean it was not homophobic. Most people in that era were homophobic. It was a homophobic time. But the show presented us with several other characters who were much more compassionate towards Thomas and did not resort to calling him foul, revolting, threatening him with prison, or telling him he should be horse whipped. Besides, Carson makes his main motivation for letting Thomas go quietly with a good reference pretty clear- he does not want to cause a scandal for the Crawleys.
Besides, you can be homophobic and still take a "compassionate" view. The people who wanted to put me in conversion therapy thought they were being compassionate and sympathetic too. They thought they were trying to help. That does not mean they were not homophobic. Likewise, Carson not wanting to totally ruin Thomas's life does not mean he isn't also homophobic. It's not a zero sum game.
You’re both right, darlings. lol
There would be no Downton Abbey without Thomas. He was the most interesting character and the actor was superb. Love Thomas 💛
I love everyone's reaction in the beginning. Even Mrs Hughes was all sugar and honey cause he's so pretty
Also I find it interesting that Jimmy wasn't gonna say anything in the beginning if I remember correctly - he just felt obligated to condemn Thomas because someone saw them and it could be very bad news for him if people thought he was gay. He's not just a raging homophobe who is disgusted by Thomas. As with everything in Downton Abbey, it was more nuanced than that.
"You have been twisted by nature into something foul ... " I suppose that is slightly more enlightened than believing he had been possessed by evil spirits.
Ugh. I love Thomas, but kissing someone while they're sleeping is assault... not cool.
Exactly. That's assault and taking someone else's free will. That's a crime.
Was the person in distress or pain? No
@@jamesvega6813 still nonconsensual, but I won't judge him here
James Vega Girl lmao if someone was drugged and raped they wouldn’t be in distress or in pain, by your viewpoint their being raped would be invalidated. The dude was asleep, he wouldn’t have known he was in distress or pain, he wasn’t conscious.
PasCorrect context is needed
Judging by some of these comments, not a damn thing has changed.
BroadwayInHD it’s sad, honestly.
The law has changed and the moaners will eventually die out or decide to stop whining because they didn't get their own way. Such is the way of things.
Oh yes, a lot has changed. In the U.K. in the 1920's, you go to prison for being gay and now one can be legally married and have all the same rights asstraight couples do. Of course, you can't legislate hate and prejudice. Thoseare in peoples' hearts, 'and out of the aboundance of the heart, the mouth speaketh'.
Broadwayon : I don’t think that’s true any longer , of course there will always be racist , judgemental people ,, I don’t think that will ever change , but those people really aren’t even worth worrying about .
BroadwayInHD that’s the whole
Idea of Downton Abbey . Just to show that nothing has changed . Britain is the same
Old submissive state where ignorance and deference still rule supreme . That’s what brexit is all about .
Thomas Barrow is my favorite character on this show.
I find Rob James Collier to be absolutely amazing! Wish I could see him more often on screen.
"I know todays thinking is much more liberal."
"Just a minute. I've never been called a liberal in my life and I don't intend to start now!"
“I’m not the same as you but I’m not foul.” ❤️ 🧡 💛 💚 💙 💜 🏳️🌈
I always felt sorry for Thomas right from the beginning , he didn’t choose to be what he is , but I think he feels because he is that way that he’s not as good as everyone else . It’s sad that people are so judgemental . I have someone in my family that is gay , and I have to say that she is the sweetest , kindest person i’ve known , so I think until you walk in someone shoes , don’t judge .
It was illegal and he was saying it to his employer...really it was very gutsy of him. I think of the effort it took to reach that point of self acceptance in that time period.
So I started Downton Abbey in the beginning of June and recently finished. I liked him from the start, even though I wasn't supposed to because of how foul he could be. I'm really excited to see him in the movie FINALLY get a bit of happiness.
Also to all the homophobes in this comment section, it’s actually “man shall not lay with boy.” The “man shall not lay with man.” Was actually a mis translation from Latin to German it also means the Bible says pedophilia is wrong, and also LGBT+ exists in multiple species in nature, so stop trying to justify your hatred as “the words of god” when in fact it’s just your bigotry. To the rest of you happy pride 🏳️🌈
Well said, none of anyone's business! Go forth in pride!
Tineke Williams love is love, cannot be killed or swept aside. 🏳️🌈
@@bymeerabrowngothicroyal Thats for sure, like I said, no one's business , we are what we are and we are loved regardless of our sexual preferences!
@Hélène Kuragina - Notice how most of these sanctimonious homophobes whom you speak of don't criticize Lord Grantham for cheating on his wife, which clearly goes against one of their most fundamental Commandments, "Thou shalt not commit adultery." These homophobes prove to be hypocritical and morally corrupt, if not outright laughable, with their biased judgments and indignation.
@@bymeerabrowngothicroyal Absolutely, only, lust, exploitation, deception, egoism and abuse is not love.
I don’t know why Alfred’s “oh my-“ made me laugh
"Don't you get clever with me when you should be horsewhipped!" I always laugh at how he delivers that line. Ms. O'Brien was evil AF. She had already got Thomas the bad reference and then she was trying to destroy him by having him arrested.
In 1918 there was no usage of "Ms." for women, it was either Miss for single gals or Mrs. for a married woman. The "Ms. came into use in 1967.
Last time I noticed this was not 1967.
Miss O'Brien was the reason of this mess and I completely sympathize with Thomas, but shouldn't he know that you don't go into people's rooms while they're sleeping and kiss them???
O'Brien getting Thomas' hopes up gets me every time 😂
It's sad that no one tried to understand Thomas. Or to actually see him.
It was the World from the late 1910s to the early 1920s. So of course no one will understand.
@@billcipherproductions1789 Well into the 1960s in Britain
Doesn't mean that everyone was completely soulless. I'm not saying people were throwing pride parades, but even within the show itself there were empathetic individuals.
After I read that there would be a movie I started rewatching the show again. This time Thomas has become one of my favorite charecters
( Sybil will always be my number one though) but he is the most realistic to me and after coming to terms with a part of who I am I can relate. I really hope he will get his happy ending.
Ok not to be that person but I swear Jimmy kissed back for a second
i always that they were gonna make jimmy gay but they didn't. he still was a good friend.
I really hope Thomas finds happiness in the new movie.
I wouldn’t mind Thomas waking me up with a kiss 😍🤤
The music is everything for this moment, starting at 3:38. Mundane routine with contemplation. Reflection, agony, then making a decision. When he walks though the door: danger! lmao... and of course the suspense of the kiss. Amazing.
Thomas was so lonely that it broke my heart.. and that he took dangerous steps to try to change himself to “normal” was the height of sacrifice toward that end. I wanted to jump through my screen and throttle Carson during the scene when he called him foul and indeed just the general homophobia in that house was frankly palpable. Unfortunately is again repeating itself with historical accuracy.
Poor Thomas! But still, one mustn't kiss anyone in their sleep if there's even a little bit of doubt that they reciprocate your feelings. It was just hearsay that Jimmy liked him back, and they were coming from O'brien of all people?!
Yeah but literally, it's just an innocent kiss. It does no harm. You can just say "hey bro I am not gay, sorry". Chill out. No need to ruin a person's life for such a small thing
@@icydelight3693 I agree, that would be the decent response. if I was jimmy and I woke up to thomas' kiss, yours would be my reaction because i'd like to think i'm open minded, also thomas is a looker. but this jimmy is a ladies' man and he wants to look "macho" so his reaction is not surprising and he'd want to make a scene to affirm to thomas and the world that he's not gay. best to avoid kissing a sleeping person unless you're already in a relationship with them.
Echo Echo this was Obrein’s fault
Tommy B there’s also no need to assault someone while they’re asleep. Thomas was 100% in the wrong. Actions like this help feed the stereotype of gays being sexual deviants and in this case, it wouldn’t be wrong. If it were a man doing it to a woman, everyone would lose their minds. Don’t turn a blind eye to sexual assault, because the victim is a man.
@@icydelight3693 finally, someone who makes sense.
I don’t understand why Robert James Collier is not working more. He is so talented!
Loved how he found someone in the movie❤️
I always imagined Thomas led a sad solitary existence. He'd get older, lose his looks without having known fulfilling love. He may have resented Downton both upstairs and downstairs because they stood a chance for love and togetherness. Only Thomas was consigned to a solitary or furtive life
I LOVE the word furtive!!!! It is so deliciously descriptive.!!
*Richard enters* _I think not_
jonwiley Why would you do that to him lmao I always thought he’d find another gay guy and go live in the city with him away from Downton.
I stopped the video at 5:03 and suddenly barrow has a happy ending to his love story as he kisses sleeping beauty.
Sleeping beauty is a damned apt description, too. 😘
I am so glad that in the movie Thomas is going to get some !
I just finished the episode where Thomas kisses James. I was literally screaming at my TV telling him not to try it
Truly disgusting how they wrote this part of Thomas' storyline... they made him so predatory for no reason. You could say Thomas is bad at reading people, sure, but his advances on Jimmy are very clearly unwanted. And to sneak into his room and sexually assault him while he is asleep? Wouldn't he at least, I don't know, wake Jimmy up first?? It's all so ridiculous and contrived.
No one bats an eye when Prince Charming kisses Sleeping Beauty. Or Snow White. Etc etc. If he genuinely believed Jimmy had mutual feelings for him, I can easily understand the temptation. Have you never been so attracted to someone that it hurt? Hell, fwiw, if I found Ed Speleers sleeping that way, I'd smooch him too, and let the consequences come after, lol.
O'Brien kicks the soap under Thomas this time.
Why the hell is she so cruel though? I thought she and Thomas were friends and that she was pretty tolerant
@@cissyblack3806 because Thomas was the one who put her up for hurting Cora... She put a soap under Cora so she would fall and lose her baby. She then regreted what she did and turned against Thomas for putting her up to this.
Hudhud wring.
Hudhud Wrong.
Julie McDonnell Howso?
So glad I was born at a time when being me is no crime..Imagine how it was for them then, the pain shame and fear.
Alan Turing, who was instrumental in the Allies winning WWII, was prosecuted and convicted for 'homosexual acts' in 1952. Hard to imagine what things were like back then.
I always thought it would be interesting if they brought James back as a love interest for...Thomas. After being away so long he discovered how much he missed Thomas and needed to be with him...
Mark P I would _LOVE_ that.
James was a little thug prick.
Proved it when his former female cougar employer tempted him and he got Thomas's backup.
Hola Mark p gracias
I would have liked Thomas to have got it on with that guest Duke (played by Charlie Cox) just once so poor Thomas could have had a few hours of passion.
The duke was the biggest jerk. Thomas and Jimmy had a lot of chemistry.
REWATCHING DEC 2019. Not sure of timeline, but Barrows desire for Lieutenant Courtenay in Series 2 disc 1 (dvd set), blinded by mustard gas, being assisted by Barrow (self inflicted hand injury to get himself home). This is a very short storyline, easy missed. Barrow almost tells Courtenay why he himself has had to fight all his life "for being different".... its not so much Barrows sexual desire for him, more the self identifying of a man that has a huge struggle ahead, yes Barrow clearly desires him, but he clearly knows thats not happening.. its just a deep friendship... its wonderful.... then the blind Courtenay takes his own life... and Barrow is crushed.... wow.. I could watch this dvd forever.. and I do.. xx
O'Brien was the most evil character on DA.
She deliberately set Thomas up.
O'Brien more than Thomas was the real master of puppets, so to speak. She played everyone against each other habitually, but at least even she was appalled by her decisions usually driven by hatred and jealousy some of the times.
I love Thomas so much. He is good boi who needs a hug
i love him too but hes not really a good boi, hes a half good half bad boi imo
Can we Stan Mrs Hughes and Miss Baxter people they actually accepted him 💜💙💚💛🧡❤️
Jim Carter is such an amazing actor
I really need to rewatch this series
this show just seems like a giant attack ad for the bourgeois but simultaneously praising them and im here for it
Thomas is a difficult character to sympathize with, but the encounter reminds me of the sage comment of a residence mate in the homophobic 1970s, who was trying to persuade us that "queers" were not naturally strange: society makes them strange. "If a guy asks a girl out, she may say no and that's it. If he shows interest in another guy, he gets a punch in the mouth." Indeed, Jimmy immediately threatens Thomas: "There's nothing between us except my fist if you don't get out." (Granted, too bad more women don't or can't use that line on certain men...)
It was wrong of him to kiss him and enter his room without consent or invitation- lol just because he’s gay doesn’t mean it’s okay to make unwanted advances on people!
The real jerk in that episode was Alfred, who, stirred up by his evil aunt, reported Thomas to the police. One can only admire Lord Grantham, who acted so compassionately. Carson was also going to be a jerk, but he trusted Lord Grantham’s judgement and let it go, he even connived with his boss to keep those police officers away from Thomas.
But he did assault someone tho, Alfred wasn't the jerk, the jerk was Thomas. He committed an stupid action and should be punished by doing it.
Why was Alfred going into his room at night anyway😏
Good point - makes you wonder
jesus that clock scene got everybody shoked
I’m so grateful that we live in the time that we do nowadays where you can’t be fired or worse for being lgbt. I’m not condoning what he did but he didn’t deserve to have his life ruined because of it. It’s amazing that people could actually live with themselves.
No, he would've been fired for the sexual assault on a coworker full stop. Let's be real.
@@shaniatreyu9303 true but if he were straight his life wouldn’t have been ruined. He probably would have been fired and that’s that and he could have found another job but since he was gay he was labeled as a deviant or whatever names they had in those days and he wouldn’t have a chance to support himself. There’s a double standard.
You still can in many countries
At first I despised Thomas however as the show progressed you get a deeper understanding on why he did some of the things he did.
I love Thomas and he deserves happiness and love
Will Thomas finally find a true lover?!
Only time will tell.
me
So I ask too. I like his character traits
Marcos Garcia And then the movie came out and I DIED in the theater.
In the movie he did
Jimmy was never my favorite but he had great hair ngl
Every character of this series was great.
I cannot imagine how difficult this must have been ...
and O'Brien was so wrong for this ...so wrong .. this could've been fatal ...
I don't miss O'Brian at all.she was.mean and a nasty person
Sneaking up on someone while they are sleeping is inappropriate in anytime.
Stuff like that happened all the time in them days - even up until the late 1980s - if someone helped themselves to you when you were drunk or asleep you might not be happy about it but you didnt do anything about it - you just learned to be more careful - that kinda thing was quite comon at gay parties after everyone crashed out drunk and the straight guy who tagged along for the free booze was always seen as the big prize for those that did that kinda stuff - thank goodness things are different now - or are they ? - i wouldnt know i gave up on parties years ago
I missed the first season of Downton Abbey so I didn't know about Thomas and the Duke of Cowborough so this story line was new to me. I'm glad he and Jimmy became friends after everything that happened...
He and Sybil are my two favourite characters! Although I disliked Thomas at the beginning, his character has so much depth and I feel for him as a person
Don't worry Thomas! If Jimmy doesn't want you I sure do!
Thomas is never more beautiful than when he's vulnerable.
And O'Brien. What a snake. When I first started watching this show I thought she was supposed to be Thomas' mother. I love her!
Oh thank heavens the world has moved beyond those times - at least to some degree
Mr. Carson is far too sympathetic , understanding and a better human being than millions of people in 21st century .
update-movie 2019- went to the cinema - WOW, great movie experience, wont be the same on a device on my lap - GO TO THE MOVIES.... even Thomas gets his kiss.... and visits his 1st ever gay club!, someones expecting, someone gets worst ever news, Mosley twats out, and it all kicks off... oh and someones got a gun.... NOW GO TO THE MOVIES...
I watched the movie tonight and it was AMAZING.❤
Great synopsis!!! 😁👍
I bought the movie&want my money back..it sucks!!
Dude was totally into that kiss before getting exposed
I just want him to be happy
Oooooo O'brian is such a conniver
I like his ( Thomas Barrow's ) character traits.
I remember the blonde from the movie Eragon. So Cute.
I would have just put Kylie's "Better the Devil You Know" on the gramophone (I think she was around then🤔) to see if his shoulders started moving. It would have cut out all of these protracted guessing games.
Jimmy was SUCH a flirt. SMH.
"I'm a sinner Mr. Carlson, but I'm not a sinner because I'm gay. What's your excuse?"
Oh how he closed the glass shield of the clock, it was so wrong.... 🤣
Nothing wrong with him so far, what a beautiful man
6:35 even in this time still reading the signs 🙄
Poor Thomas
I am really hoping....in the new movie.....Thomas will finally find some happiness...…..!!!!
I remember when I first came Melbourne city in search of myself some 50 years ago. To be outed meant losing one's job, one's dwelling and most of one's friends & family. Newspapers and gossip took great relish in doing this. There was the constant danger of being beaten up with no legal redress. There was a good chance of being imprisoned or put in a mental hospital.
In a world of shame and secrecy I can well understand this fellow's desperate, impulsive and unwise approaches. The number of such deep, long and lonely stories in LGBT history are beyond count.
Thank God we no longer have to put up with this sort of moral, dishonest BS.
Please put up where Thomas injects himself gay away serums and sees Dr. Clarkson
"gay away serums" lol 👍
Thomas was burning to get in touch with Jimmy.