Top 10 LGBTQ+ Character Clichés
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- These cliches turn complex human beings into one-dimensional figures. For this list, we’ll be taking a look at tropes in television, film, and novels that are typically used to characterize members of the LGBTQ+ community. These stereotypes are not only found in fiction, but are very present in real-life as well and can have a very negative impact on those who are on the receiving end of them. Our list includes Asexuality Doesn't Exist, Bisexuals Don't Exist, The Gay Best Friend, Characters Are Reduced to Their Sexual Orientation, and more! Join MsMojo as we count down our picks for the Top 10 Cliches of LGBTQ+ Characters.
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Straight men: Soooo, how do u know that you don't like sleeping with men if you've never done it?
Lesbian: Honey, how do you?
I'm late but this comment >>>
This comment is besttttt
so i guess you never found the right guy? my answer is, so i guess you didn't either, that is why you think you are straight.
Bromance is a thing now…
@@vygalnix7769That’s a different thing.
A show that breaks all these “rules” is BROOKLYN 99 and they’re amazing
Another show that breaks them is Shadowhunters
Lia Gilor crazy ex girlfriend is also an amazing show that contains diverse characters. There are only 2 straight white males in the entire cast
Totally, I love how they have a diverse cast, and especially since Rosa came out as bisexual, with a likeable love interest to boot!😀
Hell yes! I approve
Bojack horseman when Todd comes out as asexual
Me a bisexual: *watcha this video*
Video: *talks about bisexuals and asexuals*
Me: *happiness noise*
This is a Mood
Fun fact: did you know that the 1 responsible for disney villians in the 90s was andras deja who openly admitted that he's gay and he express that through Disney villians.
me an asexual: *yayy*
I know right? *asexual happy noises* 🥰
Me, a pansexual: still annoyed.
There’s more to a gay person’s personality besides their sexuality
Take Thomas Sanders for example.
Blasphemous!
Being gay is basically the only thing I got „straight“ (as good as something with me getting straight can be)
Exactly! That's the biggest film trope of them all. The whole character is just "the gay one," as if gay people don't have other things going on in their lives. I beg you, if you haven't, please please watch "benjamin" by Simon Amstell. It avoids all of the stereotypes in this video, and very importantly, agrees with your statement. If you wanna watch a film about other things and issues than being gay without having to ONLY watch straight people for the rest of your life, please give this film some love. I am PASSIONATE about this. This is representation done PERFECTLY.
Moonlight was a coming of age story, which did not focus solely on his sexuality, but also topics such as bullying, poverty, and a drug-addicted mother.
Awesome list. But I want a list about media that nailed the LGBTQ+ experience.
"Love Simon," "Alex Strangelove", "Brokeback Mountain", "Carol", "Transamerica" or "Blue is the Warmest Color" could all qualify as such, as least in my book!😃🌈
@@trinaq Pride!!!!!!!! Best gay movie ever
Please like me, not a movie but so realistic.
THE WEEKEND!! SORRY I'M GETTING EXCITED HERE
Didn’t BoJack Horseman nail asexuality when Todd came out to the titular character?
Wasn't expecting asexuality to be on this list since it's often forgotten overall... But I was pleasantly surprised in one way, saddened in another.
Ace person here. Shout out to all fellow aces and members of the lgbtqia+ community!
Yup :D I didn't know if they'd leave that part off the list, but they aced it!
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I am not sorry ;)
Same saw parts of that house episode and was disgusted that this was something they felt the need to attack
@@jstar1054 I never watched House, but yeah... I agree with the little I saw.
What is asexuality? I don’t really know much about it.
@@cubancucumber to make a long answer short, it's people who lacks sexual attraction 😊 but there's so much more to it than that however 😮 like how it's a spectrum. People can still feel sexual attraction etc and is a part of the asexual spectrum anyways depending on how and when you feel it. I suggest reading up on it 😊
#11 - Asexuals are robotic and can't fall in love
That's the worst stereotype. Just because you're asexual, it doesn't mean that you can't love another man or woman.
Absolutely, asexual and aromantic aren't not the same thing. Love doesn't always mean there needs to be sex
@@beccamoore2402 Thank you!
Thats true for me because im dead Inside but NOT FOR THE REST OF ACES
Or childlike and innocent.
I'm asexual myself, and I can confirm that #8 is way too true. WE NEED MORE ASEXUAL REPRESENTATION, AND THE GOOD KIND!
Edit: Shoot 150 likes
Preach, my fellow ace!
Is [Spoiler Alert] Todd from Bojack Horseman a good example?
Yes! I am not Asexual but still support.
I consider myself asexual and I personally think asexual representation is weird and I never find it interesting or realistic.
Exactly
jesus can we just rename this 'the ten reasons i was scared to come out'
To be fair with Willow it was a culmination of both an addiction storyline and grief over Tara's death (which I feel was the catalyse of the Busy your gays trope) rather than her just outright turning evil for no reason, at first it was about avenging Tara's murder and then afterwards she fell off the wagon and became the Big Bad simply so she could block out the pain of that loss.
Other than that I do agree with the majority of the list.
One more LGBTQ+ character cliche is that all LGBTQ+ characters have to absurdly and unrealistically hawt (HOT). All LGBTQ+ seem to be either Abercrombie & Fitch or Calvin Klein models....on tv and movies..... except for MODERN FAMILY's Mitch and Cam (I love them so much).
I think it was a thing in True Blood where this gay middle aged guy just wanted to be an attractive vampire, believing that it would make him more appealing. Instead, he's still the same shy guy who has to make a sex for blood relationship with Lafayette.
That's just tv in general
Pyrax Vergara it's not though. plenty of ugly men on tv that always get the girl
Yes mitch and cam suprimecy
Dark Willow I think had more to do with addiction than LGBT.
Jeannie Whitcomb I would agree. She was obsessed with magic and how it felt. When Tera (the one who helped with the addiction) died, she snapped.
Definitely. Mojo kinda skimmed over a good chunk of season 6 for that example and made Willow's turning seem random when it had actually been building up to that point. My favorite season by far.
Willow started said addiction that led to dark Willow with her very first spell, which was before she realized she liked girls. And when it came to Tara's death, Tara is the only character all fans would mourn and the writers knew it, so even it had nothing to do with the cliche.
Mojo got it wrong with Willow. Fuck I'm triggered!!! This was about addiction loss grief trauma and it's a show about superheros like wtf they made me unsubscribe just for throwing this in for no reason at all
Ray Hefferman exactly! She didn’t turn dark because she’s a gay character she turned dark cuz she was heartbroken the love of her life she died, plus she had a problem with addiction. She wanted revenge I would honestly do the same
Gosh, Willow was nothing like a cliché, she was a broken girl turned evil, who just happened to be gay.
You put it the best so far. The entire time that was playing out, I couldn't stop thinking how that's the worst example for that.
I also hate how people hate that Willow turned gay. I had a very serious crush in high school on a girl I met junior year. I'm 100% gay though. It's just something we sometimes go through when we are in denial or think that's the way to go. Willow very well may be a Lesbian who just thought she was supposed to be with a guy, so she went that route before meeting a girl who helped her discover her full truth.
I don't think Willow is Gay. I think she's Bisexual because she still loves Xander. I think it's moronic to suggest that all Gay Characters are the Villains because they're not. There have been Straight Characters as Villains, too. Why can't a Gay Character be a Villain, too?
@@xAaeiynx Willow's love for Xander is purely platonic. She loves him deeply and that love saved her (and the rest of the earth) from herself but there was nothing romantic about it. Willow was his best friend. They tried dating and it didn't work but their love for one another endured that.
I think when she was younger and had the 'crush' on Xander, it was the result of her loving him but not understanding that love for what it was. Even when she was with werewolf boy (whose name escape me) she cared deeply for him but it wasn't the real romantic love she didn't get to experience until Tara.
Also Willow did eventually get her happy ending with her slayer girlfriend.
@@samanthaash3944 Sorry, her sobbing in the bathroom, over Xander being with Cordelia and being immensely heartbroken, when she saw them kiss, in the library isn't a Plantonic love.
I do think Xander professing his love to Willow is that of a romantic one, and even if they tried dating, some relationships just don't work out via Buffy and Riley, Xander and Cordelia, Willow and Oz. That doesn't mean they don't love each other.
Even if not for Xander, Willow still loves Oz. I'm not discrediting Willow's bisexuality. As a bisexual, myself, it bothers me that any form of being into the same sex, romantically equals completely gay which is not true!
And what also bothered me was Joss Whedon's reasoning for even having Willow being somewhat homosexual was that the cast were in College, and that girls "experiment" with their friends. So, that wasn't a good reason, for me, to turn Willow's character into somewhat of a homosexual. It's mocking it.
Willow was broken because Tara died and she loved her. But I don't think Willow loved Xander they were best friends
I'm Bisexual and,yea it sucks that people think we're confused don't know which gender to pick Loll well guess what we fall in love with who we fall in love with and live our lives like everybody else 😄 So these notions are nothing new Loll
PREACH
I'm so glad that B.D. Wong (any disney fan remembers him from Mulan) plays an accurate representation of a gay man without falling to the stereotypes in the long running crime show Law and Order SVU
He did well in Bird Box, also. 😊
Who is BD Wong?
@@fckyoudidntask642 B.D. Wong voices Li Shang in Mulan as well as starred in the crime drama Law and Order SVU as Dr. George Huang. He also plays in Jurassic World and Bird Box. He is an openly gay man and a very great representation of lgbtq in media. You can look him up through wikipedia or imbd
@@dryisshy I am glad LGBTQ community have a least one great representation of LGBTQ in medias. Thank you so much!
Dry IsShy i think thats a reach
How did a gay television video not include glee, Kurt was indefinitely stereotyped
Anastasia Lukas I totally agree with you. He was one of the biggest people stereotyped.
THANK YOU!!!! Personally I think Ryan Murphy set gay rights back about 40 years with Glee.
Anastasia Lukas and with Santana after she was pushed out of the closet when the hockey player comes up to her and says he can fix her. Ugh still makes me mad
Kristen Morgan YES
Eduardo Rios Chris Colfer even pointed out the stereotype of the fashionable gay in an interview.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen an asexual character...
Maybe not on TV (BBCs Sherlock seems to be gay on and off), but the original Sherlock Holmes is
Raphael from Shadowhunters is asexual in the show
And if they did, they presented it as a problem😑
As an asexual I hate that way of presenting us
Alastor from Hazbin Hotel is also ace.
bojack horsemen's friend is
Let's throw in how if there are 2 LGBTQ+ characters in something that despite their actual interest or personalities they will end up together. Also there is basically a max limit of 2 LGBTQ+ characters per non-Logo show.
That's a good one. So annoying.
Like it’s ok for them to just be friends
Like its ok for them to just be friends
And you can either have a gay character or a lesbian.
As someone who is asexual, thank you for putting it in here! It most definitely is real, but there really isn't any good representation in the media.
I'm ace as well
Right
it is awesome that they do put asexual people on here (aegosexual here)
Writing a novel with a bi-sexual werewolf main character who doesn't die & eventually has her happy ending. So I'm working hard on busting up those cliches as well as typical werewolf novel ones.
that sounds painfully unrealistic no offense
A worse story than Twilight? It'll be famous just for accomplishing that. 😂😂
Quiton B
No duh. The main character's a werewolf.
Good luck
@@multiplemysteries5242 yep
Honorable mention: the few instances of characters who are asexual or exhibit the traits are less human. No emotions, the bad guys, has issues with the opposite gender, sociopaths and psychopaths, no regard for human life etc, power hungry, want others to suffer etc .
Ace people like me are normal just like everyone else. We just dont feel sexual desires
"Ten Most Common Examples of Lazy Writing of LGBT Characters". Fixed the title.
I'm asexual and would love to see more in the media
As a fellow ace person I agree but represented accurately
As in ace people need to be represented correctly in things
Long Live the gays and straight people in peace. *Love is Love!* ✌️🏳️🌈🙏❤️🙋♀️
I concur, love is love, no matter who you are attracted to!🌈💘💟
...yes...
@@ggt47 any problem?
@@fckyoudidntask642 No,just yes as an agreement.
@@ggt47 oh okay. Sorry
Personally, as a straight person, I really learned and understood about the very negative cliches involving the LGBTQ+ community in all aspects of pop culture, such as books, films, plays, musicals, and television. It makes me feel angry that such cliches continue to be allowed for many decades and with almost no change by the people that have been behind it. I am hoping for better serious changes to happen in the future if there is to be a role for the LGBTQ+ community, through organizations like the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation, to bring up such changes and influence Hollywood and beyond so that true progress can eventually succeed in the end.
i ve always thought degrassi does a good job of talking about different sexual orientations with respect.
sweet vie there should be top 10 times Degrassi touched on LGBTQ+ characters.
@@brandontylercarter8846 agreed :)
yeah same
Oohhh that’d be cool
Yeah the fictional world is overly simplistic: either addicted to sex or total psychos most of the time. Still treated like some kind of "deviation".
straight man: you just havent found the right man yet!
me: neither have you
Using Dark Willow as an example of a stereotype of LBGTQ+ characters is BS. There are tons of straight characters that go INSANE when they're loved one is killed. Bruce Wayne and Frank Castle comes to mind.
Bryan Tann True but it bothers me to no end that they turned Willow completely gay as if she didn’t love Oz, lust after Xander, and crush on Giles. She was bisexual and they acted like that wasn’t a thing.
@@springlady8337 I can agree with that. I mean she could have just decided, as far as Xander and Giles go, were childhood crushes and that she grew up. But I do understand your point.
It triggers me that they used the Dark Willow thing as though it wasn't just a character arc :(
+Bryan Tann I think you missed the point in that the slightest chance when they introduce a LGBTQ+ character, they often make them a villain. True you have straight characters that go bad, but that margin of straight characters in media is vast, still vast compared to LGBTQ+ characters and again out of that small number a lot of the characters are villains. Buffalo Bill would've been a better example instead of Dark Willow because during that period that was when they were really making doing that. Almost every LGBTQ+ character was a bad guy.
Revenge of Bcraig5 I don’t think he missed the point. His point was that Willow was a horrible example of this
when you realise you’re the gay best friend
I swear most of my friends are the gay best friends, including me
I'm the bi best friend. I'm always taking the relationship advice, but I always give my straight friends the relationship advice too. My friends a chill.
Cheers to B99....the only show that doesn't go by these tropes!!
What about Shadowhunters. Its amazing. #Malec fan
Yes to both
Degrassi
Wynonna Earp
I'm some form of Asexual, but I'm not sure what kind exactly. I've never had any interest in anything everyone around me did so I always thought something was wrong with me. Only in recent years did I discover that it's okay to be this way. My memory is shit, but I don't remember many positive things about Asexuals in media when I was growing up xD
You could still be ace but the romantics can be taking affect
Affect effect? Which one I cant remember
@@DancerChic915 Effect - the "e" in effect means it's in active voice. "The romantics have effected them."
affect would be when for example you'd say "they're affected by the romantics", meaning it's in passive voice.
@@CJFrostthorn ive never been the best at English. The ideas I write are good. My execution of them is terrible
@@DancerChic915 That's alright ^^ English isn't even my first language, I just have a thing for languages, so I thought I'd help you out.
As an ace woman, thank you so so much for number 8.
Ace women unite!
Dear Straight People,
You say you're not homophobic and yet you still employ the "Bury Your Gays" trope.
Seconded, it seems that in a majority of works involving LGBTQ characters fall victim to having one of them die halfway through the story, as if they can't have their own happy endings.
Wym?
@@marissawilson4644 Um, Buffy the Vampire Slayer and The 100 for starters
Yeah because in movies straight people never die... Right? They are practically God, they're inmortal as shit.
*ITS JUST A JOKE CHILL OUT*
its not a joke if everybody doesnt laugh.
Willow didn't stay evil. You neglected to mention that. But, good list anyway.
"Bisexuals don't exist"
Should we introduce those who think that to one, Luna Loud?
My sister watches the show she's in and seeing It made me so Happy!
Thank you! I watch this show with my little cousin who realized he's gay and he loves that the show has representation. I'm bi and I'm so happy as well to see a bi character in a show like that, like, I wish this was a thing when I was younger
I love Josh and Davina's relationship in the Originals. Because he wasn't her Gay best friend. He was just her best friend. He wasn't the stereotype and she never expected him to be. she loved him for exactly what he is and he loved her the same way.
You forgot about the one where every homosexual is interested in EVERYONE of their same sex. People in real life have taste and types.
Some of these cliches are no longer exist. Gay people turning straight is so 1990's. Willow turning bad has nothing to do with her being gay. If she had a boyfriend who was killed, she would still turn dark. The gay best friend cliche isn't always harmful. A fine example is Insatiable.
it bothers me that they used Evil Willow as something to do with her being gay -_- No, it had to do with her character arc lol
@Justin f h Well, the gay best friend trope can be harmful as you are just a one dimensional character and basically a prop to rubber band off the main female character.
@@revengeofbcraig5755 A lot of these characters are not one-dimensional.
@@Marbledesert So please explain how Jack from Will and Grace and Christian from Clueless are not one dimensional? Back to what I was saying characters who fall under that trope are not written to be complex or multi-dimensional. They are just a prop for the main female protagonist and without her they have no purpose. No background, no objective, and when they are there there is rarely no character development. Again, they are used as a prop or an accessory.
@@revengeofbcraig5755 That's only a few characters. And Jack is a break-out character.
you forgot the fact that most gay love stories don't have happy endings
I think that fit with the n°9 and n°1 of this list
Willow is not a Villian in Buffy, she is one of the main heroes. Just cause she was dark Willow in 3 episodes that doesn't mean she was a Villian or a trope. Tara's death was a trope...
Read the comics.
A fading no one. Watch the video, TV, Movies and Novels. They weren't talking about comics.
@@darkness21princess The comics was the continuation of the last season of Buffy. So, it is all connected.
A fading no one. That's maybe in the circle of life. Not in this video.
I'm not a fan but Saddam Hussein from South Park is a huge example of the gay villain thing
Saddam Hussein is a real (evil) person
Dark Willow being a villain totally makes sense and adds to the character. She had just lost the love of her life in like the worst way possible. It doesn't make her less moral to go off the deep end over that. It makes her even more of a person and adds to her character.
This stuff is all so horrendously true! It's in many ways really disgusting how it's categorized down in to if your gay your this or if your lesbian your this, because as humans we are all so much different than the boundaries we set.
9: since they decided to show a scene from Grey's anatomy, maybe they should remember that EVERYONE sleeps with EVERYONE in that show and that nobody stuck to a partner, not even the born again christians. They admitted themselves that cheating is a major plot point in most shows
I know these all suck, but I actually act like the gay best friend (I'm bi though) like, I am very flamboyant. Although I hate the "all gays love theater" trope.
Number 3...
I lost count of how many times people have told me "but you don't look gay".
I’m not sure I’ll ever forgive The 100 writers for killing Lexa. And then there’s Arizona who cheats on Callie 😭😭
Kristen Morgan those both triggered me in this video it was not appreciated 😪
Girl same!! still not over her death!! She deserved so much more!!! I get that she was leaving and that but still. it could have been better. and definitely could of let her and clarke have more time together....
Chloe Graves yes!
My immediate reaction to the number 1 was to roll my eyes and recall all the characters I've seen over the years die who were gay, lesbian, bi, etc.
Some examples include Four characters from Game of Thrones, Three people from DC shows, and the rest scattered throughout the media.
BULLSHI** The Witch Willow from Buffy the Slayer was a very deep feeling character, well developed. For several seasons, she was always good, sweet, loving and she tried often to use her magic to help others until her lover Tara was murdered. When your soulmate, true love is killed that could send anyone over the edge and bring out the dark side of anger.
I don't have an issue with the gay best friend as long as that gay best friend gets a story line and a personality. Also, I need more gay/straight male friendships.
I thought Tara's death and the Dark Willow storyline was very well done. On the other hand I haven't watched one episode of the 100 since the pointless and stupid death of Lexa.
I'm gay and I've always loved fighting. I've been training since I was five so it was really difficult for me to meet people because they always thought I was straight.
I have a thing to mention: that being Skam (the og and quite a bit of the remakes) really doesn’t stereotype any of these. You might argue that “oh but they dedicate a whole season to a gay guy who likes another guy and needs to come out to his friends and family” but the season isn’t just that, it’s so much more. Isak is such a complicated human character, he’s questioning his sexuality and kind of gets a bit obsessed with a guy he met. While he is also getting it on with a girl he thinks he likes, which eventually backfires as she proclaims he used her since he‘s gay and wasn’t attracted to her while she liked him. This guy he gets to know is peculiar but takes him on adventures that explore his personality and character more, not only that but Even (the guy he likes) is revealed to be Bipolar as the two had just gotten into a relationship and Isak doesn’t know how to deal, so he pushes Even away from him. Another side story that plays well into this is that his mother is a huge christian and is a bit wild and that’s why his dad left her. He is still in contact with both but lives with his friends. He comes out to both eventually and his mother takes it a lot better than he thinks. But back to the storyline with Even and Isak. Isak lives with an openly gay guy and after he realises that he’s gay he talks to him and Eskild (the gay roommate) is so happy he found out. Though Isak eventually goes on about how he’s not like Esklid by saying he’s not gonna be flamboyant with his sexuality and he’s not that kind of gay. This hits a trigger in Eskild and he explains to Isak rather angrily and annoyed that he does this and is like this because he’s proud of himself and finally is able to be someone part of the LGBT community without being beaten and arrested in today’s society. It’s really an emotional and amazing speech. Isak is flawed like any other character but his story isn’t just “he’s a closeted gay that finds a guy and falls in love and comes out”. His story is more complicated then that and that’s one of the main reasons I love Skam. Trust me, there are a lot more reasons to love Skam too, but Isak Valtersen is amazing.
(HOLY SHIT I JUST SAW HOW MUCH I WROTE IF YOUR READING THIS RIGHT NOW CONGRATS)
11:12 That's because they're forced into shows because people act like representation of other races, sexualities, religious backgrounds (etc.) is needed for a show to be good. Remember people, representation doesn't always make a show good, and lack thereof doesn't always make a show bad.
Yep. They are often like "look at us, here is lesbian/black character, we are not doing anything with him/her but you need to like this show/movie". Creators think that by putting deversity in their shows/movies are making them good which is not true - characters needs natural development from the story to be good. I can name only a few shows/movies which got it right - like Willow on Buffy the Vampire Slayer. They are often doing this in a bad way - like Charmed Reboot.
Or you know it's possible to have representation and good writing at the same time. You see when it's white straight, cis, able bodies people even when their written badly you still see good representation of them or people trying to write them into better characters. It's been proven diversity does sell (see: Crazy Rich Asians, Black Panther, any Jordan Peele movie, To All The Boys I've Ever Loved,etc.). If you can't write diverse characters well then that means you're a shitty writer. Like we look at previous media and learn how badly we failed characters who are marginalized. We learn to stop writing them into cliches, stereotypes and token characters and actually write them as human beings.
Let's Get This Canned Bread But representation is still important! If you want more audiences your gonna need to diversify your work. No one cares if your writing or story is good if the characters consists of nothing but white cis males
@@zangoon4546 actually people would care. What matters in a story is good writing and good characters. And by good characters i mean ones where there well... character is well written. A character isn't good just because they're black or gay. You could have a good tv show or movie with an all white cast. Black Panther had an (mainly) all black cast and people didn't complain. But who am I kidding? It's 2019, it's considered diversity when it's an all black cast, but it would be considering racist of it was an all white cast...
A good asexual character:
Todd from bojack horseman
Todd from BoJack Horseman is Asexual
He is probably my favorite character 😊
He's my baby, my God, my lifestyle my everything
Hooray!!!
Dear Straight People,
Bisexuality EXISTS.
Eduardo Rios Interesting and how does this fairytale end? 🤔
@@kingeatking You fall under the wide demographic of narrow-minded yahoos who assume that love is a gender. News flash: LOVE IS AN EMOTION FELT BY ALL HUMAN BEINGS.
Why do you assume that only straight people think bisexuality doesn't exist?
A lot of gay people don't think bisexuality is a thing too.
@@willieearles3151 and also.... Why assume straight people even care?
penelope pittstop I care.
Here are the reasons why I love Shadowhunters so much. They try to debunk those clichés and it's nice and refreshing.
Sure, Magnus is flamboyant and wide open, but it's because he knows that he is handsome. He is a bisexual monogamous man
Alec is gay af and doesn't know shit about fashion. Also he doesn't die. Neither do Aline and her soon to be introduced girlfriend.
But seriously, these dumb clichés needs to die. Especially the ones regarding bisexuals (might be biased there a bit, woops). As if we are prone to cheating or able to "switch between sexualities". Like dude, most of us probably have social anxiety
Have you read the book? They're much better than the Netflix show and also portrayes a lesbian couple and an aro ace person
Is Magnus bi or pan? Because I get a pan vibe from him.
@@Sandied I dunno honestly, but I think he's bi. You only knew he liked women and men, soo no one else..
@@burningHazard are there many "other" options in the series, though, before he gets serious with the kid? And that doesn't mean gender is a big deal for Magnus anyway.
@@Sandied I just read the books and they weren't other choices, yes. But assuming he's pansexual isn't right, just like assuming he's bisexual. It doesn't matter anyway, since he's with Alec, right..? How could you get a 'pan vibe' from him after you said yourself there weren't any other Options?
Callie deserved a better girlfriend. She is literally the best character by far on Grey’s Anatomy.
I’d like to see more media depicting good LGBT representation that are not depressing dramas. It seems that is all that their is, and if one with a lighter tone appears it gets panned. Life is depressing enough as it is, depict it in media in ways that make it seem enjoyable.
As a woman questioning her sexuality,, this list really makes me happy, especially seeing the old “bisexuals don’t exist” cliche addressed, along with many others. Thank you so much for making this video, it means a lot to me.
In what world is Scar gay?
It's not that they're explicitly referring to him as gay, it's just that he's the main villain of the story, and he's portrayed as acting effeminately.
RedLightning17 There’s a video on how he was queer coded, he has more feminine mannerisms, lanky compared to mufasa and other things. There’s a stereotype that gay men usually have more feminine tendencies so uh he may not be gay but they certainly went for those stereotypes
It’s In the stereotypically portrayed way where effeminate men are automatically homosexual. Added to this is the concept that the good king is the strong masculine leader while the weak king is the more flamboyant posh and feminine one. So it’s a double decker, pigeonholing gays as feminine and making feminine qualities seem inherently inferior.
Coded. He is gay coded.
Tyrant-Den in a word? Yes. That’s what I meant but I’m prone to ranting
I am gay, and i really don't find many of these as shocking.
I don't think it was meant to be shocking but to raise awareness of the way the LGBQT+ characters are often portrayed in the media - maybe more so for those heterosexual people that are oblivious to this.
Its like the way 'Blacks' have often been portrayed in movies, it was obvious Blacks but for the caucasian population, the majority were oblivious to the fact the 'black' guy always dies for example. The fact that you are gay may well make you far more aware of how gay people are portrayed in the media and therefore this list is not shocking at all.
Why are people mad that lgbt characters dying?
LGBT characters can be flawed aswell
THANK YOU FOR INCLUDING THE ACES!
I love this channel now, breaking stereotypes, love this.
I don't see how Willow's temporary dark phase can be linked to an assassination of lgbtg, bad example
The thing about bisexuals in tv is even when they do clearly exist it will never be explicitly stated that they are bi. Lost Girl for example, Bo was clearly bi, but they never put a label on it. Same with Clarke in the 100 or Jadzia in Deep Space 9.
i think theres a line where Sisko says that in the 24th century theyd gone beyond the lgbt groupings we have today-thats why its not explicitly stated that Jadzia is bisexual. but in the mirror universe Ezri is gay as is Leeta Kira is bisexual- all women!. some peole say Garak is gay
Oh man, I really needed to see this video. Thanks for making it and thanks to CZcams's algorythm to recommend it to me (although 6 months after upload, but ah well).
This is great stuff to know when seen from a writer's perspective.
And it keeps me wondering something slightly off-topic here;
Should a character's sexual orientation only be added into the book when it directly influences the plot?
And in what way should the characer's sexual orientation be important to the author in the first place if it indirectly influences the plot? - Aka; the sexual orientation influences plot-influencing decissions.
Great list and it sickens me to the core that a lot of the media misrepresent this community. Thankfully there are some out there that does it right like Love, Simon which is one of my top favorite movies. I'm going to share it on Facebook in hopes more learn from these mistakes.
Also, I’m a figment if imagination according to Hollywood - Nonbinary folks exist 😊
As a gay man I can tell you Willow wasn’t a villain because she was gay, she was hurt and angry and high on magic. She would have done the same if it were say , Oz who was killed. Also it’s a fictional world where magic exists, so...
Lol sometimes I watch Say Yes to the Dress on TLC and there are so many brides that have gay best friends to bring with them to their consultations. So that trope exists XD
Say Yes also cherry picked the friends to be on TV for interest. I guess they feel the gay best friend will be more entertaining.
Surprised trans issues weren’t talked about.. Like at all
I think it's because Trans characters pretty uncommon when it comes to entertainment media. once in a blue you may spot one but they pretty much the minority of this minority community. another reason, if my memory serves me correct aside from common characteristic of being slightly promiscuous, the majority of those characters are unique and don't feel stereotypes. aside from the aforementioned personality trait along them.
Agreed. This was a good list, but since they mentioned that asexuals and bisexuals have little representation, I thought they'd mention how that representation is even smaller for trans and non-binary individuals.
I agree with most of this but I think naming willow in naming baddies missed the point or deliberately avoids the context. Buffy dates horrible guys, willow ends up with her soul mate and lover and goes off the deep end at Tara's death. To interpret willow as a villain really misses the point. It was ahead of the time. She's the gay character who loses the love of her life and loses control. No other character in the show has such a love story, the show builds their connection before the become lovers. As a lgbtiq who grew up in the 90s-early 2000s their story was something that made me believe if I ever found a same sex partner my love would be as real as heterosexuals, as would the anguish of their loss.
let’s hope 2020 brings positive ace representation ♠️🤍💜
I can confirm as an example, the gay best friends do exist, and we do like shopping/fashion advice/etc., but just remember. We're more than just generic fashion advice
Tara is always used in the example of this trope, but Willow's SO was planned to die even before Willow was decided to be the gay character on the show in order for the out of control magic plotline to work. Originally it was going to be Xander who discovered his sexuality. As much as people hate Tara's death, in a show that doesn't have happy endings for ANYONE, I'd say Tara's death served a purpose in the story.
When there's a character and his/er sexuality become the center of attention it's a big turn ff for me and I just stop watching
I love it when we focus more on the CHARACTER and if he/she happen to be whataver then it's fine for me.
I don't need a tweet saying that Dumbledore was gay or not. I love Dumbledore as a character not just becuase he is gay or something
I'm gay and I agree. Sexual preference or whatever should just be incidental. Focus on the character. We don't need stereotypes thrown in our faces, but we do need alternative sexual preferences and such to be shown because it's a realistic part of life and humanity.
Thank you for pointing out the cheating trope is almost always a Bi character. Sick of that
I personally think emmerdale does a good job at representing the lgbtq+ community. You have a rage of characters with different sexualities that aren't stereotyped
#3 THANK YOU!!!!! I’ve been saying this so much!!! Like how does your personality or interests determine who you’re attracted to???!!!
I've probably seen plenty of asexual characters. Like most asexual people, they don't announce their sexuality to everyone. They just don't hook up during the movie.
I'm asexual. We're normal people. We just dont need sex
We dont get the desires
Stan Smith disproves the "switch teams" cliche, when it comes to being gay. Before that, he (like most extremists in the world...and within the comment section) seem to believe that being gay is a choice.
But you can't CHOOSE to be attracted to someone, it just...HAPPENS; sometimes, when you least expect it. That's basically, how love of any kind works
Not sure why this needs to be ms mojo instead of the main channel
As an Asexual, the fact that you included it made me happy because it’s so true. A lot of time we are described as broken, sociopaths, psychopathic and/or dark, that isn’t the case at all. Also a lot of us struggle with not being excepted by the LGBTQ+ community and community in general. We are literally at times, the invisible sexuality. (Not to say a lot of other sexualities face the same issue)
Tara's death killed me I cried for so long same thing with Clexa and that number 1 is so truuueeee
Here's two: Only the non-human/alien/monster characters are gay and every other "normal" human is straight. Looking at you Steven Universe. Also Intersectionality is almost nonexistent.
kap1618 thats not true
Not All the non-humans are gay and most of them are gay because they’re all of the same gender and we’ see some of the humans are gay or have participated in a homosexual activity.
A show that crushed the "bisexuals don't exist" trope right from the beginning is Psych. They mention in the pilot episode that Shawn is bi and they keep making sure the audience knows it.
This is why I hate when heterosexual individuals say “There’s already a gay character or stop spreading the gay agenda” like, half of my favorite characters are stereotypical or end up dying or cast to the side. I’ve had my many years of watching straight characters end up happy but what about the lgbt characters? I want my happy ending too, just because there’s one gay character doesn’t mean it represents all of us. Give us more lgbt storylines, there’s so many to tell.
Another cliché: this is very recent, but there's been a cliche going around that LGBTQ characters are against straight white men and hostile towards them. I'm a straight white male and I've met a lot of nice lesbian people in real life and online. (Sorry if I did a bad job explaining this)
I've been with a bisexual chick before and all I can say it's nothing I kinda enjoyed it and I'm friends with David yost Billy from power rangers he's gay too
Requirements to be a gay character:
*Objectively attractive
*Witty
*Sassy
*personality = sexuality
damn MsMojo .... i am impressed
My favorite trope is the PureFlix gay best friend. They cannot actually be gay of course, so they are just pretty boys who exsist soully to give perfect advice to one particular woman.
I want to make a tv show with good and accurate representation
Thank you for including asexuality in this list! There are way too many people who either say asexuality doesn't exist or say it doesn't belong under the LGBTQ+ umbrella, so it's nice to see here.
The 40 Year Old Virgin has always bothered me because as an asexual person who is still a virgin in her 30s and completely content about it, I hate the social stigma that it's pathetic or abnormal to not have slept with someone by the time you graduate high school. Some of us just really don't care about or desire sex. At all. lol
I feel like nit that ling ago watchmojo made lists like who is the richest celeb, or who has the most insta followers and now they're out here calling out Homophobia in tv. Love that growth
yes, now haters gonna hate