What Happen When You Kill The Emperor At The First Meeting [Baldur's Gate 3]
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- čas přidán 28. 08. 2023
- Kinda disappointed with this choice result in game over. I thought I can save Orpheus more early. Don't mind my weird hand gesture at 00:21 😂
- Hry
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This is SO AWESOME!
Instead of getting a 'game over' screen right away, you are actually SHOWN the consequences of your actions first, something more games should start doing.
Casuals would hate it.
nah, that sounds really lame. Removes the anticipation of said consequences, makes you think and, as a result, care less about your decisions because the game will already tell you anyway and overall feel less meaningful.
It works here because you have good reason to not trust the emperor and not believe his warnings.
@@DerKommentator1337 No, it works generally and we should see more of it.
@@Lucitaurit really doesn't work even in the slightest. Everyone is dick tugging BG3 for consequences and player choice. Dragon Age Origins had more consequences and player choice than BG3 does and that game is a decade old.
This is just another "you went against the devs fuck you" game over screen. It's eons distant from what Larian promised.
@@drcox012 I think you are complaining about a different thing from what I'm praising.
I'm praising how they managed to pimp up the 'game over screen', you are complaining about unfulfilled promises.
We are just going to gloss over the t Rex arms?
So someone notice 🤣🤣🤣
Yes
it's a mod
I read this comment before I saw it..I was like, What? OH! 😂
Yes, yes this is a fertile land and we will thrive.
Apparently most of the people here forgot the part where Orpheus himself tells you that his honor guard would have killed you even if you had sided with them.
You can't side with them. And they can't free Orpheus. It is a lose-lose situation. From what the game tells you, Orpheus and his honour guard have been in the prism since he was locked away. All the emperor is actually doing is dominating him and leveraging his power. In all realism Orpheus should be completely immune to Mind Flayer powers since he has Gith's power, even if he isn't, the honour guard do not have the means to free him, only end his domination. It is a soft plot hole for Orpheus to claim that his honour guard would have freed him, since that can solely be achieved by the Orphic hammer.
@@fusionreactor7179 I wouldn't call it a plot hole, just Orpheus being stupidly arrogant.
Quite possibly the biggest "Oops" moment you can have.
I don’t believe so. I hated emperor the moment I saw Orpheus tied up and his mouth covered. Wanted nothing to do with him after that.
I actually very much like that this is an option. This is definitely something that could happen during a DnD campaign where the DM allows for creative ways to deal with situations but is by the book when it comes to how the story is meant to go. So to be allowed to screw up and get a game over is actually pretty neat. Then you have the power of hindsight, reload your save and try again.
nah if games over then its over. pack up your stuff we roll a new campaign lmfao
@@smoluwu8676 That ought to be an option, sort of a hardcore mode.
@@combinecommando001 it is now with the addition of Honour mode in patch 5
Bad writing in the first place.
@@michaelbarnard8529 looooooooooooooooooool even you don't believe you've written that xD
I really appreciate videos like this. It helps to see the options of decisions i didnt make 😂.
Seeing my guy turn into this ... thing was absolutely horrifying and tragic.
I killed him first, since I hated that he pretended to be someone I'd find appealing. That's so gross and manipulative. A pity it results in the game over. I had no regrets 😂
He had to because you might have recognized him as the one who put ab tadpole in your eye.
@@Sheketo that's not 100% true if you're Durge, and the first plot hole LOL. I was honestly convinced his whole story was a lie until I killed him.
@@SheketoHe is not the same MF who captured you
@@Sheketo Trust nothing he says. He'll show you different versions of the same events twisting details in his favor and he sides with Brain-face if you decide you don't want to help him abandon the Githyanki to Lich-face. Also he claims to have been infected at moonrise and than found Baulders Gate but Moonrise was built almost a century after BG sooooo..... yeah either the team abandoned their own info or that was just another lie. Even his claim that he "peacefully" controlled BG behind the scenes is a lie since he'll show you images of him torturing and mind controlling his cohorts when he starts threatening you. He even lies about a cure telling you there is one in act 1 but insisting there isn't in act 3 when he wants you to evolve. The biggest plot twist in BG3 is that you really can't trust the guy who eats brains for a living.
@@SadGoatLady No, but he is the one that tadpoled you. If you watch that scene there are dead mindflayers around because he infiltrated the ship, then left back to the astral prism before the ship was attacked by the Gith.
I expected a game over screen at most when doing this. They really went all out with this option lol.
I always love a good happy end ❤
I mean people accuse the emperor for being manipulative, but you were taken hostage by mind flayers and likely sentenced to a fate worse then death by mind flayers. So I understand why he takes a different form.
It’s not just his false form that people say is manipulative…
He could just take his human form before he was a mind flayer instead of some “guardian“ bullshit.
@@lmd7369 His human form before ceremorphosis has a but of history attached to it. Any baldurian would recognize the face of Balduran in their dreams
Well, he IS a manipulator who doesnt give a damn about us. Duh
But then he proceeded to compare himself to a “knight in shining armor.” You were nothing but a tool to him, it is a fitting end for him to instead use him the same way he tried to use you.
its a shame this doesnt split into a new path where you can immediately start working with orpheus his honor guard looked close to freeing him and maybe hed have continued the protection for his resucers oh well Larian was already super thorough with their story i wont fault them for one or two missed potentials
But that's not how it works. Orpheus as is can't do anything. he's bound, so he can't grant any protection, and it's by siphoning the power of Orpheus that the emperor is able to protect the party, and considering the slavish devotion that most Githyanki have to their leaders, none would even consider, let alone be willing, to siphon power from a legendary being for a handful of randos no matter how important.
@@DBfan106 But think about the finale, if you choose to save Orpheus. The Emperor fucks off but you don't immediately turn into a mindflayer. During when this scene this happens, Orpheus is conscious and snaps out of the glowing-eyed trance he's usually in, which is why he KNOWS that you didn't side with his honor guard and snaps at you about it. Why would he not be able to use his powers to continue to protect you if you're able to defeat the guy that's keeping him in that trance to steal his power?
A very interesting path would be to be able to side with him and have to work on freeing him.
EDIT: Also, The Emperor said he felt his freedom return as soon as he found the prism. Clearly it's not just a matter of 'harnessing' that power. Orpheus just gives off it. There's definitely a plothole here, probably due to the amount of cut content BG3 has.
@@StarxLolita I think the only people who knew how to project the astral prisms power outside of it is either the emperor or vlaakith. It's never actually proven the astral prism radiates a field outside of itself, as the elder brain is actually the one who purposefully let the emperor loose when he found it (as it reveals in the final few moments of the game) . Without the emperor there would be no one to actually project the astral prisms power outside of itself, as the only two people who know how to use it is the emperor (who has studied it for a long time) / vlaakith (who possibly created it in the first place) . When you kill the emperor, you would be perfectly fine in the prism, but the moment you step out you would immediately be under the influence of the brain which is exactly what happens in this fail state.
@@D3R3bel @D3R3bel OK. But there's no reason Orpheus himself wouldn't be able to project the power outside the prism, considering it's his own power. He is conscious when his honor guard attacks the Emperor, it really should be a feasible path.
There's also the general plothole of the power being in the prism and, like I said, the Emperor stating immediate freedom upon finding it, but in the bad end where you reject the Emperor but don't have the hammer and refuse Raphael's final request, you turn into an ilithid right there in the prism.
Clearly this wasn't really well-thought out. Or is hastily written after some other cut content.
@StarxLolita Netherbrain states that Emperor gaining its freedom was part of the grand design. it was infinite steps ahead, that's the point of that creature. Emperor probably manipulated the psychic energies of the prism when he came upon it, by design of the then elder brain who's colony he inhabited. This was explained both verbally and via text.
1:43 apparently if you save you stay mindflayers.
truly a game of the year moment
I think I shot with a fire bolt the first time I saw him, because you know wounded mind flayed. Didn’t get a game over screen though, it kinda just ignored that it happened.
This was my first ending, though it happened a little differently. I refused help from everyone and this scene triggered after Emperor and Rafael left.
Spam F5 and you play the rest of the game as a mind flayer. A literal easy mode, I mean walking into Gortash's coronation and destroying the room.
No ?? How ? Yoy are controlled by the absolute...
@@Zephirah I think they patched it.
@@johnnycrash_ OK, thanks !
@@johnnycrash_how is this easy mod ?
@@iam-retarded-but Well you can cast nukes almost every round. But, I thinknit was patched.
i imagine they did this for a wow Game over effect. But its still a little weird since the point que those tadpole are to be control and not to transforming into mindflayer (yet!). But yeah i guess its to show the "inevitable" of the decision.
its cthullu all along
Well... I don't know what was I expecting.
Seeing people in the comments getting mad over the fact that if you kill the only person that's been protecting you from becoming a mind flayer, results in you losing the protection and actually becoming a mind flayer, is really funny.
I think its because in later story of the game, you will know The Emperor dirty secret. That's why many people hate him now haha 😂
That's just what happened in my game LOL. The trauma of being deceived by the emperor (specialy after every character told me that this was probably a mind flyer in disguise) and believing that I needed to decide the fate of the githyanki right there on the fly made me go with that choice. In the end I went back to a save 10 hours back before that moment.
Spoilers: isnt this a plot hole? In the later act, it was revealed that the elder mind purposely released the emperor here, and had him recruit your character. Why would it transform you? It still needs you to do your part.
This game, for all its good, is a railroady mess at times
The elder brain doesn't need you to do your part in your current form.
It's only a matter of time before Orin and Gortash kill each other even if our characters didn't exist, weakening their grip of the Elder Brain. Then it would break free on it's own. Plus, it's entirely possible that the Elder Brain's signal for you to transform was because of Gortash and Orin, not of her own will. And it's not railroady at all. It gave you the choice to let the Emperor die. If that happens, you turn into a mindflair. You actions had consequences.
I think it's because at this stage, the Elder Brain is still the slave of Gortash and Orin (and Ketheric, even though he's dead) because it is still bound by the orders they gave it, and two of them still have their netherstones. It was only able to resist them very minutely, by letting go of its control of the Emperor for a few seconds, long enough to let it slip into the astral prism. But it doesn't have enough control yet to resist a complex order like "If you find the adventurers that killed Ketheric, turn them into mind flayers."
So, Vlakith like any other gith lied to us, what a surprise *surprised pikachu face*
honestly still hoping one day we get an ending where we can control the illithid taken characters and be the absolute.
You have failed the city!
It’s nothing compared to letting yourself get blown up in act 1 and ending the game right there!😂
Blown up by Gale? 🤣
I got eaten by the wounded mind flayer in the wrecked nautiloid my first playthrough 😂
I have antagonized that bum at every possible opportunity on my first playthrough. Couldn't fool me. That game over was very disappointing. I was hoping to claim orpheus myself.
I took every chance to antagonise him after he pulls you into the astral real or whatever the fuck it’s called to try seduce you. That’s when I decided I am definitely freeing Orpheus.
I didn't antagonise him because he was helping us after all. But I sure didn't trust him. Just kept up the appearance
Heh, "claim Orpheus"
I almost killed the emperor on my playthrough. I'm glad I decided to give him one more chance.
Aaannnnnd back to reload lol
So it’s the same cutscene as if you try to go to act 1 after doing moonrise
It be cool if the transformation was similar to the lady in the pod at the beginning
No… this is a closer & more in depth look at spontaneous ceremorphosis. This is way better instead of simply pressing a button
@rb9882 I'm not talking about the button pressing part, I mean the animation. The face and body contortion, snap bones, the tentacles coming out of the mouth, etc
Yeah I did this. It definitely wasn't in my character to "accept" the Emperor, but it was the only way to go...
And you died :/
Yeah... Turns out you really do need Orpheus.
At least he looks better as a squid
so what do you say to this :
after you side with emperor (because he save our life 2 times and prevent us becoming mind flayer ) and he dominate the brain and if you say destroy it he will when he can easily take the power of the brain and make us his lap dogs but he wont so hes a good guy
The only reason it doesn't make you his lapdog is because it's afraid that becoming the new Absolute will lead all the Githyanki armies to attack it and it might not survive.
If you do convince it that it can become the new Absolute without dying, it takes the power, and it DOES make you its lapdog. It doesn't share the power. It makes you its thrall.
Realistically, Orpheus could be freed from the prism and deal with the absolute so while it is the end for the player, it would possibly work out fine for the world.
Even if Orpheus is freed, he will need to finish Vlaakith and civil war among his own people first. When it's done, it could be too late already, cause Absolute army was almost ready to take the city
@@athemorph6435not really. Orpheus himself admits that the netherbrain takes priority over Vlaakith
@@zacharybosley1935 it is priority for Orpheus, not his people. Orpheus is a symbol, when giths see he is alive, civil war is started even without him participating, no one will wait until he defeats netherbrain
@@athemorph6435 his people are Githyanki. They can hold their own until he assumes the reigns.
Assuming anyone can get the hammer from the House of Hope.
Imagine that someone tried it on a honor💀
Happened to me cause i was too stubborn to admit that raphael was right at the very end and still refused his help 🤡
Wish they had an old man's voice for cthulhu instead of a woman. It always sounds so annoyed and lashing out with no power behind the words
Why is it a problem if he dies here but not when he leaves in act 3?
I mean the protection is supposed to come from Orpheus anyways and the Emperor is gone in both cases
Why ths didn't show up earlier. I tried yesterday and got that very same ending.
So I did this on my very first play though as a barbarian. I wish we could have got the choice to ally with the trapped githyanki or something just an early game over was kind of disappointing.
Agree, it is basically a non-choice. Or you help the bastard, or it's game over. Since the emperor plot line is so slow and fragmented, and that by the time you get to that fight you are entering Act 3, they could have made it like that if you don't trust the Emperor you can just ally with Orpheus, still in chains but conscious until you get the orphic hammer, and then prepare for the final fight. Something very simple to do in my opinion, just change a couple of cut scenes and dialogues.
@@gianlucamorelli it actually would line up with Rapheal's certainty that you want the hammer (though he could just be manipulating you too by making it sound like your only option). Even the devil is like 'don't trust the squid'... but we can't make that call when it actually makes the most sense per the main story line
I'm killing him, uninstalling the game, and giving it a 1 star review. 😎😎😎😎😎😎
Based
I refuse ti call him by what he thinks he is. I immediately didnt trust mr high and mighty and killed him and when that happened and got that message i just sat in my seat and died laughing, then hated the fact i had to side with ugly face for a bit in order to continue playing. Ugh such a good game
I don't quite get the logic behind this... shouldn't Orpheus be still capable of protecting the party against transformation? He's not dead.. just still bound by those infernal chains - so basically the same situation as later on if you should decide to use the hammer on his chains and the Emperor just fuggs off. Kill the Emperor here, Orpheus is freed of its control and could tell you to find a tool to break his chains. Or am I missing something?
I think it is one thing to have a prism, and a second to be able to channel the Orpheus's power. The difference between the first and the second time is that before you go out of the prism the second time, Orpheus is free and he is able to channel his own power to shield you.
@@zaurak777Yeah, but the way I understood it, the reason that Orpheus isn't "himself" was the Emperor keeping him subdued. Which also isn't the case any longer if the Emperor decides to switch sides and leaves. The Emperor is basically dominating Orpheus to use his (Orpheus') powers to shield the party. Something which Orpheus could've done on his own all along. Because he does just that later if the Emperor is out of the picture. Otherwise the party would transform the instance the Emperor left to join the Elder Brain.
@@1SaG I think the Orphic Hammer makes the difference, it would be the only logical explanation. I killed Emperor the first time and was disappointed though.
Why he would protect the party? it was the emperor that was protecting the party using orpheus power, as soon as he died, there was no one to channel orpheus power, and even if he was capable of doing so, he would not help us.
Orpheus is also bound by chains, that can be broken only with the hammer. So if Emperor dies, Orpheus is still captive and cant help you willingly, and you have no idea or power to channel his aura yourself. But when Orpheus is free, he regains control of his powers and shields your party. I wonder if his guard was able to break him free, but i guess not, because of the magic, that can be undone only with the hammer. Also, the guard wouldn't listen anyway, so you basically have no choice but to trust Emperor. For now
Hmm...glad I didn't do this lol thanks for the video!
You just saved my honor play through....lol
You're welcome hahaha 🤣
Honor mode is a time for a lot of things. Risks like this are not in that grouping.
I found everything to do with the mindflayers, especially the "force you to become friends / lovers with one" bullshit, to be the absolute worst parts of this game.
The worst bit is the plot contrivance of “someone needs to be a mindflayer to cast the special spell on the crown”. Not only can you have immensely powerful individuals in your party (Redeemed/Bhaalist Durge, Gale, Ascended Astarion) but also Orpheus who should be a heavyweight in terms of psionics. The casting of a 9th Level spell shouldn’t be that hard, especially for either the former Chosen of Mystra or the Prince of the Comet. This is the only obstacle that keeps you from getting the very best possible ending, of ideally saving all your companions from their cycles of abuse, ridding yourself of Bhaal, and freeing Orpheus to seize Vlaakith’s throne and parley with the Githzerai, all while not having anyone become an illithid. I really hope the definitive edition allows the reformed Dark Urge to be able to channel the spell through his strength of will without using the parasite. After all, even though Withers senses you have something of a spirit as a mindflayer, he still doesn’t recognize a soul per se.
@@alexdiaz155 It would be good, but I'd prefer convincing the Emperor to work with Orpheus thus removing the need of a "mind flayer" mind to be capable of casting the spell and destroying the brain. After that Orpheus could tries to kill Emperor or something like that
@@alexdiaz155its just a straight up fucking lie they tell the player i became a mind flayer my first playthrough to control the brain then find out i can just betray the emperor in dialogue for the exact same ending this game has so much illusion of choice and the ending was genuinely one of the worst in rpg history
Once I saw you get all ugly and shit and he tried so hard to get you to evolve in thought there's is no way in not freeing orpheus... fuck this guy. I'm gonna stay me and be normal I ain't fucking turning all gross dude
@@alexdiaz155 I mean, I could have forgiven it, if we were rewarded for saving Omeluum with someone having the brains to go... hey wait... we know a mindflayer! He's in the city and even said he'd stick around until the absolutists were dealt with.
why though the prince is still asleep
My first ending too. I've never trusted the emperor, I was so happy when I betrayed him and became the absolute end of the game.
❤
What if you wanted this outcome, smh calling it game over rather than mission complete
This happens when you’re in Act 2. After you beat Balthazar, you can’t go through the mountain pass area anymore.
This is the exact same cutscene for that.
You mean kethric
@@xhawkenx633No, Balthazar. Once you reach the point where moonrise is being invaded, you cannot go back to Act 1.
what act is the emperor in? do I have to get to bauders gate first?
You going to meet the emperor before entering the city
There is error becuase in astral prism he should not be changed
I did this my first time. Was brutal
What the...? This didn't happen for me. I killed the Emperor, and I don't remember getting the scene where you see the dying Emperor lying there and the narration that you fucked up. I just saw the part that comes after, with the Elder Brain saying "You are found" and you transforming.
Did you accidentally press space or left click so the cutscenes got skipped?
@@TjoaJunChoi Not that I know, but I suppose I must have.
wtf with those T Rex arms??? xd
cool
but the brain tells you that its PLAN was for you to bring him the 3 stones... do you get the end at the end (when you go to the brain? if yes, then its OK, because you bring him the stones), if not, then its a major hole :D
What is the first moment you can safely kill him ? after you get the orphic hammer ?
After we get the orphic hammer, we can't meet him at all. We will meet him after we confront the brain, but he will leave us if we side with Orpheus. He will come again in the final battle as enemy
@@TjoaJunChoi That's basically what I did in my first playthrough (I'm doing my 2nd now).
So I guess it's just not possible to do it earlier.
@@isaz2425 Sadly, yes... we can only kill The Emperor in the final battle
well no shit, lol
Thrall significa esclavo en Warcraft. dato de color
I'm so annoyed you can't side with Orpheus immediately.
Orpheus sees you and your part as mind flayers. The narrator says you can feel his hatred towards you.
Orpheus would kill you if it's possible and you cannot free him without the Hammer that you get on act 3
See they say that he'll kill you, but when you talk to him, he's incredibly calm and reasonable. I've already met Voss at that point. Why can't I tell Orph I'll help free him in exchange for his continued protection and help with the Absolute?
Just let me punch Emp immediately, Larian. I'm begging you.
@@irradiatedkrill548 He doesnt kill you in that case cuz the moment you free him is too late and the brain evolved into a netherbrain, so he is literally forced to join you, if you were to go and free him at the start (the first time you mention) he would just kill you and leave with the rest of his honor guard, after all at that point the brain is not as powerfull as his evolved version, so he can take it alone with the other gith. He is at the same level of bastard as the Emperor, but you people for some reason hate so much the Emperor you cannot see this.
why your hands so short
Its a bug 😂
This is technically one of the endings.
Its not its a game over screen
@@marlow7376What is the end of a game if not a game over screen?
So it is just game over?
Does this happens even if you didn't used any of the illithid powers nor absorbed the tadpoles?
Yes, this game over will still happen. I also didn't use any of the illithid powers
Yes because you alerady have a tadpol in your head, even if you don't absorb more.
Oh that's just bollocks... I was hoping that maybe we can convince the Emperor to NOT sacrifice Orpheus and have him persuaded into joining hands..... WTF? If Orpheus decided to NOT join and help us, it goes against his character and he'd be in danger of fighting 5 enemies at once and he's alone! I was really hoping that there's a way to go a different way about this.
Edit:
When I said "-convince the Emperor to NOT sacrifice Orpheus and have him persuaded into joining hands" here, I meant that Orpheus and the Emperor working together but as I played this on release, there is no such option for that.
I had to clarify that, because some people can't seem to think properly what I meant by "have him persuaded, into joining hands" meaning Emperor and Orpheus, working together WITH us, but here we are... I forgot that the internet has "special people" here sometimes... God, I hate people.
I think that if orpheus doesnt help you the brain just takes over you since its orpheus thats protecting you not emperor. Or its mostly, the emperor knows how to use orpheus power to keep your from turning into mindslayer, so he died, orpheus doesnt like you, you die
Counter argument. You’re asking the son of the ghaik overthrower to trust a ghaik who had him imprisoned for god knows how long, and 6/7 tadpoled individuals who very well could be thralled by the ghaik,
Or you can look at it like this. You’re asking the emperor, an illithid. To trust the son of the illithids genocider. To not only NOT murder him for merely existing as an illithid, as well as you who has been tadpoled and the 6 other companions on your team.
There is, just not at this point
Looks like you haven't play act 3 yet. Every statement you said is wrong.
@@ranulphshieldwield7631
And of course your PFP is a furry... I can already see why the lack of intelligence there...
"You have failed us all" - Yeah buddy, we aren't the guy who lost a fight. Way to try pin the blame on the guys who managed to kick your ass.
Cool cinematic but lame af that we are not given a choice to be protected by the githzerai and the so-powerful prince.
They could find a logic where you didnt have to follow this liar blindly
What i REALLY hate about the plot of Baldur's gate is that the Guardian that you customized in character creation is revealed to be a mind flayer, like you are allowed to customize the Guardian and when he's revealed that hes a mind flayer called Emperor, he remains like that with his appearance, like what's the point of customizing it then
The point is exactly that. You MADE them.
Yourself.
The Emperor took a form that is most appealing to you and you cannot do that for all players unless they make them themselves.
The game told you "tell me what you think a creature that is your guardian looks like" and the Emperor took that information and used it to manipulate you.
this logically shouldn't be a game over but i understand gameplay wise why it is
imagine taking raphaels deal and freeing orpheus at the beginning of act 3 that would be interesting
You can’t free him at the start of act three if you take Raphael’s deal, the Emperor doesn’t let you back into the Prism
No shot bro. I took the orpehic hammer and disappoint the emperor. Why in that case i didn't turn into a mind flayer? Why the emperor has to let me stay in human form then? Don't like that kind of path
Lol you really think holding the hammer is enough? I fucked the emperor and he didn't like that I had the hammer but the game progressed normally what you said makes no sense you aren't turning into a mind flayer the moment he dislikes you it's the fact that hes holding orpheus in stasis.
The reason is because the Emperor is channeling the power of Orpheus while imprisoned to protect you. If you choose to free Orpheus, you are told you must free Orpheus quickly after the Emperor leaves in order to have the protection re-established by Orpheus. If you cause the Emperor to leave without having the hammer, or you kill the Emperor before you have the hammer, there is no possible way for you to get Orpheus' protection back in time.
@@BlazeIgnitusI have seen there is backup plan if you pick that and do not have the hammer, though it is not pleasant. Raphael shows up and now you are forced to accept his deal, unless you want to become a thrall.
It doesn’t make sense though, the astral prism shielded the emperor, so why would it stop working when the emperor dies?
Thr prism didn't protect the emperor. The Emporer was siphoning Orpheus' power to block the Absolute. So without Empy there to use the power, the absolute gets you
@@AstroFarsography well then how did the emperor break free from the elder brain in the first place then? If he has to use the power to shield someone then he couldn't have used the power because he was under the elder brain's control. He could only have broken free if the shielding is passive and automatic.
@@chengong388 The Emperor thought he broke out, but later cutscenes showed the Emperor was simply wrong. The Elder Brain ALLOWED it to bring you three here to take the Netherstones and complete the crown.
I suppose in this ending, you already got strong enough that, while possessed, could easily take the stones in your new forms. So it Game Over's
No, Orpheus wasn’t shielding the Emperor. The Elder Brain let him go when he found Shadowheart and the Prism, and he mistakenly thought it was Orpheus. So he then enthralled Orpheus to extend his psychic protection to you and the other people who escaped his nautiloid.
In this part of the game, I hated the fact that if you refuse to help the emperor in the very first moment you find out the true about him... Prince Orpheus, visibilly awake, don't move a finger to help you and, instead he sends her guards to attack you. So you have to figh both: his guards and the emperor... :( Why ?
Uh, because you're infected and nothing but a _ghaik_ to him? He thinks he doesn't need you to defeat the Absolute.
@@StormyKopaAMVs Yes, it has his logic, but thinking that he is prisoner from a thousand years, to me it appear not too smart trowing away the only one occasion to have an ally that could help him to be free and defeat togheter the elder brain... 🙂
@@cristinamaurras9184 I agree, it's not smart at all. In fact that's a big part of why I don't side with Orpheus. He straight-up tells me I should have let his guards kill me, so he can go fuck himself as far as I'm concerned.
WTF was happening to your arms?
A bug 😂
Disappointed this results in game over, the game makes it pretty obvious what you need to save Orpheus
I like the consequence in it. It doesen't have to be interesting or creative.
He tells you what would be happening and so it happens.
this is before you have an opportunity to learn about the orphic hammer. this fight takes place right at the beginning of act 3, during a long rest the game forces you to take. you dont learn about the hammer until wyrm's crossing when you meet Raphael again, where he tells you about it. Without the hammer you have no way of freeing orpheus, and so you have no way of fighting off the Absolute without The Emperor. It results in a game over because its the only thing that makes sense for this point in the game; you give up the one power protecting you from the absolute, you transform and become enthralled by the absolute
@@AxBoSch222 agreed, I was responding to the description
@@DrCrendorI felt like this was out of order too. I really wanted a way to free Orpheus and end the emperor shit asap
Unexpected things happen in life too. Deal with it. Game's excellent.
I did this the first time, felt like the most reasonable action to take. Haven't even eaten any tadpoles. Never trust a handsome silver fox visiting you in your dreams 🥵🥵🥵
There should really have been an ingame cost for you to use the tadpoles.
Didn't use them either.
Was very disappointed to find out I just made my character objectively weaker for no plot benefit whatsoever.
It's sad how we're forced to side with the guy who forced the tadpole on us
It's confirmed in game it's not the emperor lmfao. The dark urge has someone else tadpole you , go play their origin to know who it is.
For Tav there's a mindflayer in the goblin camp who tadpoles you. Speak with the dead reveals that it wasn't the one who tortured you BUT it is the one responsible for your tadpole.
@@lolas.7024 oh?? I guess its just weird that in the scene where you get tadpoled theres a dead mind flayer in the room. This was before the Gith attacked too
@@lolas.7024 Durge may have specifically ordered the tadpoling. but the Emperor was involved in the conspiracy from the start, himselfl, and all the conspirators came up with the plan to send a tadpoled team out to steal the prism.
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With knowledge of the Orphic Hammer, Orpheus should be able to peer into your mind and see that you have a means and intent to free him and thus provide you with the protection you need rather than have that protection funnel through an intermediary. Being forced to work with The Emperor until the very last moment is an example of lazy writing in BG3 especially given the tools they have. It would be far more interesting, especially for the Githyanki subplot, if we were able to free and interact with Orpheus sooner.
I really hate this, feels like Emperor is a DMPC who gets favored over the main character. You can die, but oh no not the precious squid boy.
He is protecting you right now. You will get the option to get rid of him later You can kill him, but with consequences.
@@dianabialaskahansen2972 When the consequences are "rocks fall everybody dies" you can't actually kill him.
"I hate that in this specific instance, killing the only thing keeping me alive results in my death"
@@violetbluejay Nope, it's bad writing. There shouldn't be anything you have to do, it's railroading for the sake of a boring DMPC.
@@libertylemonz7145 So what is your idea of good writing for this then? Your own character and the rest of the party being the one to get plot armor and the Absolute conveniently glossing over you all whenever it sends orders out? Or retconning how mind flayers and psionic domination have worked since the 1970s when they were introduced in 1e just so this one specific scene can play out the way you want it to? Because unless you plan on making up an entirely new plot for Orpheus and restructuring most of Acts 2 and 3 to fit it, those are the only two scenarios where Tav & Co. wouldn't *immediately* become thralls of the Absolute upon leaving the prism, in accordance with lore established in both D&D and BG3.
Also strongly disagree that this qualifies as railroading in the context of a *semi-*open world RPG. "Railroading" as its described in the context of tabletop RPGs is a necessity for games like this with a large, yet ultimately set number of paths the player can take. Without an adaptive DM to guide the party you have to have some sort of set points on the timeline, or there wouldn't be a consistent, steady path of progression. I get how it can take from the D&D-ness of the experience but at the end of the day, BG3 isn't TTRPG, it doesn't come with some sort of AI DM that can account for anything the player can think of and adapt the story accordingly, and it needs the player to stick to a set path of progression, even if there's dozens of ways to go about it. That holds true for any semi-open world RPG
As it stands it kinda seems like you want the game to make *Tav* into the DMPC and in doing so, allow the player to DM their way to the path they expected. Closer to fully open world mechanics than of semi-open ones. And if that's what you want out of BG3, people have already come up with some pretty incredible TTRPG campaigns based on the events of each act.
Genuinely so disappointing to see just how much illusion of choice there really is in this game why the fuck are we even presented with options if only one of them is meant to be picked its so fucking stupid
More illusion of choice bs. At this point I'm wondering how this game even has the gall of calling himself an "rpg". First the horseshit railroading at last light with how unfair that fight was and how its pretty much impossible to save isobel without savescumming, then having to fight Thorm no matter what even if you pick every choice that would make you think you can become his ally, and now I'm forced to side with some monster that is clearly just using me to gain control over the elder brain and obviously do something evil. This game has 0 fucking freedom, sure maybe you can affect some parts of the narrative but there's so many moments where the writers just decided you only have one option here when it would be 100 times more interesting to have a choice.
becuase the characters are making their choices too.. that's a realistic crpg. Your decisions in life don't overrule others, they interact and create reactions. You can save Isobel without save scumming. I did. I also allowed Karlach to make her own choice in turning into a flayer herself to not have to die, so I could stay the high elf I was, and killing the emperor all the while releasing Orpheus.
You definitely dont have to savescum to save Isobel if you have a way of turning her invisible and a spell like spirit guardians, as for the emperor you can betray, become friends with benefits or strictly business partners by the end, so it definitely has choice
That is straight up lying. You don’t have to save scumming to save Isobel. Perhaps you could just admit you suck in the game.
Yeah seems like a skill issue. I had no problems keeping Isobel alive or getting Ketheric to give up.
I saved Isobel and then killed her in the same run without save scumming. Stop crying because daddy Ketheric left you.