The Curious Case of Abate vs. S2J
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- The fun thing about Melee is...no matter how much you play it, there’s always surprises.
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#SSBM #Abate #S2J #TBH5 - Hry
This is the most well made video about an 8th place finish in the history of 8th place finishes
Well off topic why don’t you upload no more
Appreciate the support!
aCtUaLlY hE cAmE 7tH
Luigi deserves all the love he can get. Through the misfires and flames, even the invisible ceiling glitch has to favor someone at some point.
Controversely I doubt neither of them even realized the interaction exists at this level and is actually consistent. Otherwise S2J might have picked a more simple approach like ledgegrab, regrab ledgregrab since lugi only has 1 shot at clipping you with his UP B as his basically only vertical recovery. And since it is ONLY vertical, he can never land on stage even if he jumps up significantly above the ledge. As the video pointed out at the very start, matchup knowledge is scarce from the upper tier char players, just because they rarely get to play this matchup, thus extensive training for a matchup you might not even encounter in a competitive year is not worth the effort over practicing against the 4 characters that make up 90% of the competition.
TLDR: Luck happened and fate decided to shine upon Luigi, making this the most memorable top 8 run ever in SSBM history.
@@polecat3 7th/8th are the same position, as both of those lose out on the same round
This is so good
ur too good
Axe, can you do more breakdown videos of important sets you've played in?
Thank you so much Axe! Happy to see you in the comments!
hey axe
You're gonna take Pikachu to the top someday, I know it
4:25 Dude seriously snuck in Waluigi into the video instead of saying “While Luigi”
WAAAAAH
I was wondering if anyone else caught that myself
That Sonofabitch
I just wondered whether YT subtitles would say 'Waluigi' or 'while Luigi' in that instance.
I really thought I was hearing things and I searched the comments to see if someone else heard it too.
What's interesting about this result is that the glitch both *caused* Abate to be in that terrible position (by lowering his hit arc) and *saved* him from dying. Like you can't even hate on his luck because he came to it so honestly.
Big brain Dahras, all you need now is to master tech skill :p
THIS IS EXCELLENT
Thank you so much GimR!
you a bro
you smeel
me agre
1k like
yay
“Abate seemingly is a player who can hit this 1 in 8 probability whenever the hell he wants” just had me laughing
Jesus Christ how is your production value this high every video. This is absurdly well done man thanks for all the amazing content you make.
Thanks to all the editers and artists god bless.
Thank you so much! I really appreciate the support!
Yeah man, I though I was watching a LEMMiNO documentary
All he needs to do is chuck the Detroit Become Human soundtrack in the background behind a voiceover and BAM feels like David Attenborough
It’s as good as emp lemons videos
13:52 I love how Abate's reaction is like "Mannnn I feel bad for that guy" as if he wasn't the one that did it to him.
13:35 I remember how the lighting at this tournament made everyone on stage look swole as heck.
I love these mini Melee documentaries.
If you like this kind of contents, you should check out Poilon Software channel. Next month they're gonna release a small smash docu on France vs Italy crews. You can see the first chapter on SSBMtv channel
Thanks I agree these are amazing
Luigi: _gets down aired by Captain Falcon_
Jesus: Oops, lemme fix that
Holy moly this is well made
Thank you so much!
i used to love your let's glitch pokemon yellow/blue!! didnt expect to see you here at all
@@creperheper128 man, I watched those while they were coming out, kinda miss that style of video
Melee is calvinist. Abate was elected to win this set.
True. It was IRRESISTIBLE for s2j to go for that stomp
Atonement was surely limited for S2J
I get the ref but
Was not expecting that reference on a smash video
This type of jank is just totally depraved
"When everything was on the line, fate decided to give him one last push..." jesus christ the writing, i'm tearing up from how... poetic this is.
I hope you enjoy the video -- it was a bit of a different project for me, but I'm really pleased with the final product. I'm looking forward to making more documentary-style videos like this in the future, so if you have any ideas for things that could be covered, I'd love to hear them in the comments!
I'd also like to give an ENORMOUS shoutout to all of the wonderful people who helped out with the video! Links to their stuff is listed in the description, but I'm going to write them out here as well to make sure you see them -- this piece really came together nicely with their help, so again, thank you!
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I'm only 5 minutes in but I am also pleased with the final project
This music immediately makes me think of
"A Masterclass In Subtext" by Good Blood! I'm loving the video essay style, definitely keep it up
Great job, we loved it
That is legitimately one of my favorite pieces of content on CZcams, so thank you!
Really like the format. Would love to see more videos in this format highlighting important and exciting sets throughout the years. Well done!
4:25 waluigi
how did i not notice
WAAAAHHHHH
I think he was trying to say while Luigi
@@Cascade7155
No shit
It just sounds like Luigi
This is such a beautifully, well-made video
Thank you!
"and most importantly, GIMR doesn't know what happened"
the gims always wins
@@jcdeton72 Except when he goes to tournament XDDDDDDDD
S2J
"S" "two" "J"
Pronounced "stooge"
We've all been fooled. Conspiracy
Bro, it means smoke two joints. Youre misinformed and so is whoever told you that
@@jacob4colts the plot thickens
I smoke 2 joints when I wake up...
shoutouts2jesus
Smoker would be proud
19:56
"Alex19 isn't so great"
Spiciest part of this video.
I prefer the magic
@@turndownforwalt lool
Not mention "Respect your elders" on the other side
The pinnacle of Luigi play.
Melee is a beautiful mess with plenty of shenanigans yet to be seen.
The music in particular was incredible, fantastic vid
I stumbled upon the Detroit: Become Human OST when I was looking for background music and I was not disappointed!
@@turndownforwalt one of the best OST's I swear
its because s2j jumped before his shield slide ended.
gotta love how overly serious this is
Melee is serious business
Tfw a 19 year old party game is more serious and relevant than 90% of the stuff you learn in school
Bc It's a serious sport for serious men
@@TheDan744At least it doesn't involve tossing a ball around. Boring nonsense.
Having Fox jump and hit his head while the Invisible Ceiling text is up is the kind of attention to detail you love to see. Beautiful work as always. I love melee
That visual is from AsumSaus, he has great melee content as well, check him out!
Just wanted to echo the reply to this comment and say that was a clip from AsumSaus! He’s amazing!
Incredible
Oh my god what are you doing here Cammy
You play smash cammy?
destiny god and smash god
what the hell is cammy doing on a melee video
youre a long way from kansas cammy
Phenomenal work Walt, I could watch your content hours on end and still be intrigued.
That means a lot, thank you so much!
This is an incredible documentary on such a short, yet huge thing that occurred during a set. Thank you.
As a Luigi main, I love the fact that you made Luigi out to be some badass godslayer in the intro lmao
Amazing video!
intro reminds me of Lemino's The Search For DB Cooper.
That was a huge inspiration for this video!
Yes very much so, I really like it.
Shouldn’t the ceiling glitch have ceased when Abate hit the ground after the knee? It looked to me that he hit just beside the ledge after the knee then went off and used his side b
I want to say Hax$ has a vid on how it works
He didnt hit the ground. He hit the ceiling. That was the smoke you saw.
Slide offs don't really count. So you can "scrape" The edge of the stage or platforms and still keep it
@@krbay1019 hi ever
@@jimdaflynn hi jimmy
17:43 the biggest question i have with this setup is luigi got a slide off, so he landed on the ground which cancelled his hit stun and should cancel ICG?
I think the glitch is active all the way until ground friction has completely cancelled your momentum.
Well, it actually didn't cancel the hitsun, which is most likely why Abate didn't attempt or was able to recover earlier. There's also the possibility that a ground slide off isn't counted as landing per se, but I think the former is correct
It's because Mario bros. characters have misstech statets that bounce to air already on frame 2 - which is the immediate following frame from hitting the ground. Thus while they do touch the ground, nevertheless due to order of per frame events, they actually have zero frames of *sliding* on the ground early in misstechs. As stage collisions happen after physics, theres no slide on the frame they hit the ground and misstech. And frame state updates occur prior to physics, so on frame 2 of their miss tech they ascend to air before physics, so they move in the air.
Extended ICG stays active as long as a character has vertical attacker shield knockback left. Sliding on the ground terminates ICG, as ground friction removes the remaining attacker shield knockback. But since mario bros. have 0 slide on ground frames with their misstechs, there's no ground friction and ICG stays active. The only other character besides Mario bros. that would keep ICG in that scenario is Yoshi with lying on back misstech.
You did a great job with creating this video and I really appreciate the effort you put into creating it to tell this story. When I first saw the beginning of it, I was like "It's just the invisible ceiling glitch, I already know how this happened." But it was still a fun watch regardless. You should definitely make more content like this.
A big goal was to tell an interesting story for people who already knew what had happened, so I’m glad you enjoyed it! Thank you!
Just subbed due to this video. Great quality. You made the whole situation interesting/tense/engaging with how it was set up and explained. The different chapters were a great touch imo, and good points for the ads. Overall a great watch. Also, the animations, cuts and backing music/audio were all really, really on point too. And I don't usually say these things!
I really appreciate that, thank you!
I thought it was either a Phantom or The Invisible Ceiling Glitch. This set was crazy. Definitely one of the most memorable ones.
Agreed!
I still love the fact that the invisible ceiling glitch is actually different (infinite vs. finite) depending on the side of the shield that is hit. Melee man.
I heard you like jank, so I put some jank in your jank.
I love all your videos, but this one is incredible. The storytelling, editing, and production value in general were all amazing. Keep it up!
I’m glad you think so, thank you! Looking forward to more in the future!
High placing low-tiers are the scariest. When fighting "in the meta" we're all playing the same game, but when a low-tier comes in you're playing THEIR game.
your videos are fantastic. Calming tone, very analytical look into melee sets, and very high quality. Your videos are really amazing, and I really hope you make more. These videos are the exact kind of videos I absolutely love. Thank you.
I’m glad you think so! Thanks for the support!
This video is so perfectly made, i don't even like melee but just the voiceover, the music, the editing, it made me feel shocked at that final match. Great job!
I’m glad you enjoyed it! You should definitely look into Melee a bit more!
This is probably my favorite melee set of all time. Fun characters, highly technical players, and just the right amount of that ol' melee bullshit. Just sad that the last stock on the last game is when the game decided to go nuts.
I haven't played Melee over 10 years, and yet the high quality content keeps bringing me back. Well done.
Melee is the greatest!
I have seen this clip many times but I got chills when that moment was approaching in you video. I felt like watching it for the first time. Nice job!
I’m glad you did! Thanks!
This video is actually amazing, I'm not the biggest melee fan myself but this was actually so well made. Genuinely one of my favorite videos made om CZcams keep up the great work bro
10:23 COMPLETELY UNRELATED but hearing this song is extremely weird post Unus Annus
the mix of Pride, Confusion and Sympathy Abate had on his face when he looked @ S2J-
PS Love how you managed to so thoroughly break down a single set of Melee- Great video
I remember watching this set live
It's still one of my favorites to this day
And I love how it's still getting talked about
This tourney was the first one I went to and it was awesome to see this in person! Awesome video!
What a crazy first major to be at! I’m jealous!
very heavy LEMMiNO influence, especially the intro. super good vid, gj!
I am a HUGE fan of his, so I’m glad the influence came across! His content is unreal!
very, very smooth editing and style, good stuff.
I love melee documentaries. They're so intriguing for some reason. I cant help but sit throught them
Loved the Easter egg at around 19:57. The file names are... funny to say the least. Great video Walt! The production is only going up and your overall pacing, storytelling, and analysis have really improved. Cheers!
I’m glad you caught it! I like to leave some fun Easter eggs in a lot of my videos!
This work isn't going to go unrewarded. Keep it up, legend.
WAIT I REALIZED THERE ARE TIME STAMPS ON THE RED LINE SAYING WHICH CHAPTER WE'RE ON IN THE VIDEO
beautifully edited sequences, I adore the way you frame stuff and accentuate the subject of a clip.
Thank you!
I'm never ever going to understand how this guy can make a CZcams video with documentary style editing and commentary that is entertaining
I also admire the way he can explain something simply enough for me to understand whist not feeling like I'm being talked down to.
Keep up your incredible work
I really appreciate that! Thank you!
This is the type of things history channel will air in the future
Walt bringin' the quality as usual. good shit!
Great storytelling. Really let’s people get a feeling for the emotions of this happening and the context that surrounds it!
The production quality on all of the melee videos is so good, keep it up boss
Glad your channel is growing, you deserve the publicity
I really appreciate that! Thank you!
I cannot stop watching this, this is one of the best melee videos of all time.
Very glad you think so! Thanks for the comment!
Your videos are so incredibly well done and get better with every installment. You truly make the best melee content. Keep up the good work!
I really appreciate that a lot, thank you!
I just watched this video along with your Pursuit of Perfection video back to back and i gotta say...
In these times, content creators like you WILL leave an impact on the melee scene. YOU are what this game needs.
Stay safe in these times, you make amazing vids, hope you're doing well and staying healthy.
I really appreciate that a ton. Thank you so much for the kind words!
I love how these documentary style videos about melee are starting to become a more popular thing, like for example with asum and walt
I hope to have some more good ones in the future!
I'm a huge fan of these videos; love the style ❤
This was absolutely amazing! It’s very rare that I watch a 20 min video on CZcams. But I have to say, I’m so glad I did! Kudos
I’m glad you did too! Thank you!
Definitely raising the bar here. Pretty crazy in terms of visuals and production value. Great stuff as usual dude.
Thank you so much buddy! I’m really glad you enjoyed!
But remember: Melee in, in fact, completely competitively viable!
15:06
Destiny had taken its choice.
That intro was some of the best editing I have ever seen in a YT video, ever. Awesome work! Lucky to have you crafting SSBM content, Walt.
Thank you so much!
This is the first video of yours I've ever watched, and I subbed within the first 30 seconds based on your editing alone.
Love that Detroit: Become Human music
IT’S SO GOOD
One way to deal with all of these stall fest that plague the game is to simply remove the win condition that constitutes them.
Removing the timer would immediately remove the win condition that promotes stalling, and takes all playstyles that centralize around it with as well.
Ensuring that the game WILL NOT end unless you take all of your opponents stocks, so not interacting with your opponent while you have a lead doesn't inch you closer to a victory.
Timeouts being an alternative win condition is probably an unhealthy practice for melee, and if we truly want a more interactive meta-game, we should remove the win condition that promoted not interacting. Games that people played normally wouldn't last that much longer than timed ones, and with the timer being an afterthought would make players who don't have the lead less pressured into making decisions due to a time out being possible.
Timer exist because of that 52 minutes match on SSB64 where a Kirby camped a Pikachu for the entirety of the match (This match is also the cause of the ban of the Hyrule stage)
I knew exactly how this video would end. But you still had my heart racing. Bravo.
brilliant video essay i keep coming back to watch it
Thank you!
20:58 to say "he got invisible ceilinged"
this video was such a joy to watch tho love the editing
Bravo, what a great presentational video of the case of Abate and S2J. Never would have known about it otherwise. Cheers
Thank you!
What an incredibly produced and narrated video. Extremely high quality value. This is beyond amazing.
i'm falling in love with these weird melee match analysis documentaries
LOVED THIS why am I just seeing this now? Saw your 3.9 and can’t get enough of it. Awesome stuff
Thank you so much!
This video essay really reminded me off Lemmino but you managed to make it better by using such an amazing topic
LEMMiNO’s content was a huge inspiration for this video, so thank you!
That production value! This is the kind of video I'd show a friend to get them into Melee. Another gem from walt
Please do show them! Thank you so much!
Amazing video and great production quality. I loved the story, S2J this set is like a tragic hero, that up B at the end is like a metaphor for his fall from grace in game 5.
Fantastic production. Probably the best melee content out there right now
That really means a lot, thank you!
The delivery of the commentator saying “that’s the famous Johnny edge guard! Where he puts the controller down!” Is so funny
Oh my god the sync of the beats of the music the pace of which your talking, the intro and outro, the explanation, uuuh its all so good! Damn dude this production value is way too high for a melee video hahahah
Thank you so much!
Man I've seen some of your vids but wow you dont stop impressing with the quality of your content, really love your stuff man.
Thank you so much, I really appreciate that!
I want you to make a docu. on my life. THESE ARE MASTERPIECES EVERY TIME. you have a God given gift, sir. You deserve WAY more recognition
The professionalism of this video is crazy good. It's insane to see this level of craftsmanship
Thank you so much!
one of my favorite moments in melee history, abate was one of my favorite players because of his high rank with Luigi, he was fun to watch.
Neat look into this! Thanks for uploading!
Another doc style video man. Just got into the game in part by you. Love these videos and also frame data
I’m really happy to hear that! Keep on playing!
I have no words for this. It’s amazingly well done and professional, despite being based on wacky physics in a children’s party game
It's fun to think about how Luigi's last up B would have very likely lost him the match if it hit CF. It was REALLY close too.
Oh yeah, the Invisible Ceiling glitch that is trigged by D-Smashing a Shield and getting knocked out of the Ending Lag before the move ends. This also happens with Mario & Dr. Mario as well.
Had a feeling it was gonna be the invisible ceiling, lol. Don't remember the set, but the match is a whole highlight in it of itself
I'm not really into the competitive scene but I must commend you on the presentation of this video.
It's just so well done I had to watch the whole thing, regardless.
Excellent work!
These videos are all fantastic quality dude. Great job my guy
This is a great video! It must be cool to see all your hard work turn into such an awesome result. Thanks for uploading!
This is definitely one of my favorite videos on the channel. Thank you so much!