Zeiss 12mm f2 8 Review for Sony APS C
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Thanks for continuing to put these videos out, Dave. I'm currently switching from Nikon to Sony and your videos (as well as your A7RII course) has been a massive help.
The rule is always, a prime will be more sharp, have more contrast, and have better color than a zoom, but the Zeiss Touit 12mm proves that rule in spades!! I was in NYC when this lens came out, and immediately marched downtown and bought it, and I have been thrilled with it ever since. I use this all the time for Architecture, both exterior and interior, some landscape, in particular, city landscapes. Its very sharp, contrasty and colorful. Everything I could ask for.
Glad you touched on the focus noise. I picked one up a few weeks back for vlog style shooting and returned it after finding this issue.
awesome video dave this lens is brilliant! you mayknow about the gh5 coming out! its fantastic!
Yes! Been waiting for this review!
I wonder why they raised the price though.
The lighting in the back gives it a nice touch
Very surprised that Ziess lens was so loud! Great comparison. I'm really liking my a6500 and 10-18 lens. It's what I'm shooting all my videos with these days.
Interesting . I was looking at 12mm fixed Rokinon. I will go to your site.
Thank you for that good article video. Good to see the no-nonsense, matter of fact work . The magic ball rolling has me bluffed Subscribedi
Excellent review!
Thank you Mr. Dugdale!
any thoughts comparing the a6500 to the gh5? I think i still want the a6500 over the gh5 for the sharper image and better shallow depth of field
Nice review Dave. I'm really zero budget here and have a Sony a6000 with the kit and 55-210mm manual zoom. I mainly shoot video, the 16-50mm seems to be fine, though the motor is very noisy. The manual 55-210mm is ok for stills but pretty terrible with video. I've been saving for the 18-105mm, F4, "video" Zoom. I would like to know your thoughts, seems nice for the price.
extremely helpful towards an upcoming purchase / shoot
Hi Dave, Cheers for the good review. I m interested in the touit bc of astro for which it should obviously great however I also shoot a lot of video and I might use this lens for underwater stuff later on so I am very dependent on the AF (mostly in stills but it has to work properly). So the question obviously is how much better did it get with firmware update (in case you sent it in). At a 1000 bucks without weather sealing a not working AF is a dealbreaker for me, then the samyang will be as good at least considering the price =/
Hi Dave,
I have a similar combo on the longer end, a Zeiss 35mm 1.8 and the Sony/Zeiss 16-70mm 4.0. I do share your thoughts and if I would have seen this video before I would have reconsidered buying the Zeiss (Who am I kidding, I live where Zeiss started).
Anyways the test video of the Zeiss lens looks like you shot with a wider aperture, making the focus pumping much more visible, but also showing why you might opt for a prime lens on Sony's APS-C cameras as there is no fast zoom lens.
Zeiss did update the Firmware with I believe the 6300 to support the newer AF methods- so I don't think Sony is to blame. The touit line is just a bit older, which shows specifically on Video usage.
Thanks for all your great content!
Cheers
Holger
Have you tested the Samyang 12mm f/2? Not AF, but a remarkable lens. IMO, only held back by only 6 aperture blades instead of the more beautiful 7 or 9. I used it on my Fujifilm X-T1, now on the Samsung NX1. The sharpness is great, highly recommended.
Thanks!
very relevant. I'm still looking for a good video wide angle for the A6300. I wish there was a cheap 10mm prime AF OSS could even be slow..for a more reasonable price
Dave are you using the eoshd pro color profile? Or gave you tried it yet?
My question is can you sharpen the 10-18 clips in PP enough to match what the zeiss captures raw? If you always run with manual focus I think it could be worth it to get sharper images. But for continuous AF and having a zoom could outweigh the sharpness. Good review though, huge difference in sharpness!
Thank you for the help, but I have another question related to ISO, I wonder if it's my A6000 having issue or is it in general, when you set the ISO on 640, in an indoor pretty dark environment will make the video unusable already?
I set the video quality to XAVCS already, using the song 18-105 F4 with ISO 640, and there's crazy noises everywhere, but when its ISO 320, its totally fine. May I ask if there's anything wrong please?
After some time working with Resolve how do you find it?I wanna start learning a video editing software for basic and professional work in future.Do you recommend Resolve over Final cut and Premier?
Hi Dave, do you ever use this on the A7rII when you're shooting super 35mm mode?
I'm currently using the 10-18mm on my a7sII and shoot in super 35mm mode, I'm just wondering if this Ziess would be an upgrade. Or maybe I should look into other wide angle options for my a7s...?
Dave, I own this lens and you're mistaken about the firware update. You can't do it with a Sony body, you have to physically send it to Zeiss for the update (you can only see the version on the body, but that's it).
I won't add link to the official Zeiss page so youtube doesn't flag my comment as spam, but just google "zeiss touit firmware update" (also you should add "touit" as a tag in the video btw).
I also asked Zeiss on their FB page and they told me that if a v03 firmware were ever to come out, I would have to send the lens to them AGAIN to get the latest firmware.
Zeiss only has repair centers in the US, Germany (Europe), China, Japan, Singapore, South Korea and Taiwan. So if you live outside of those countries, you have to pay a lot of money on shipping to get the latest firmware (I know because I live in Chile and I'm stuck with version 01).
Also, on pricing, this lens and the 32mm periodically drop in price, I know it because I got both of them for 1000 USD new a while back on B&H.
Great video btw, thanks!
Oh you are right! I will fix that. I got the lens some time ago and thought I had done that when I added some apps.
Dave are you using the eoshd pro color profile? Or gave you tried it yet?
Also, the scenes with you talking have really nice color! Look really nice.
Felipe Figueroa that's good to hear. I had written this lens off until someone mentioned the updated firmware. It is definitely a little confusing. I guess the update is recent and is only shipping with new lenses. Other than sending it in, like you said. If that engages the phase detection, it's game over in my opinion. Less distortion, and sharper? sold.
Felipe Figueroa you got them both for 1000? wow.
Does anyone of you know, if this terrible noisy sound is gone after the update? :)
For the update of the Touit 12 mm e-mount firmware I had to send the lens to zeiss (how do you update the firmware trough the sony camera body?)
Another reviewer said the focus hunting was caused by the IBIS. He said to turn off stabilization. Wonder if that helps. I was disappointed to hear that autofocus was so bad.
Thanks for the review...saved me from buying the Zeiss for video, focus breathing as well.
sony what are you thinking making primes with outdated features for canon L prime prices?
I think you seed to turn the af sensitivity down a bit on the a6500!
Hey can you do an update of current pc setup ?! Thanks
Too bad that the Zeiss seems to be terrible with the autofocus. Id really like a good wide angle in lowlight. :)
hey thanks dave! hve yoi update to new firmware
I just got the lens from zeiss for an update. I did put the lens on my a7iii and I put off the auto 35. after croping the image, I got a really wide image and at 24 mpx. I can say how much exactly since the wider I have is my tamron, but I believe is around 18 mm, did anybody try this? To be sincerelly that is already super wide for my needs, I can not see know a reason why to go for a samyang 14 or batis 18?...I'm missing something?
Thanks for your review of Touit 12mm. Have you any information about software issues with this lens? My copy (from 2013) had to be sent for service to Zeiss after AF and MF stopped working at once. Very unreliable
one of the comperition that iam waiting for a long time.. thanks Dave really appreciate it! I will go for 10-18 on my a6000 for underwater photography and video in general. I think overall the 10-18 is better.. the focus on Zeiss for that price is not Worth it the should fix it!!
Gosh that noise from a Zeiss just seems like it should not even happen. Did you IBIS in the 6500 get completely fixed. I have the "jitter" issue now.
Dave, Give me your thought on GH5 Please?
Maybe the comparisan between GH5 and A6500 on next video?
Thanks!!
I want to get it in and test it, looks like an fun camera to shoot video with.
very helpful. Thank you
Hell with the lens, I want the cat terrorizer!
haha I was frightened myself
Zeiss Touit 12mm/2.8 APS-C has the same problem than the Sigma 19 2.8 Art series when it is in continuis focus. I think it is not a problem of the lens, as you said it is a problem of sony and the third parties. Sigma 19 is a fantastic lens but with the vibrant focus in AF, the same than this zeiss but 5 less cost.
Hi Dave, thanks for the video. Which gimbal did you keep. I know at some point you have tested a few but which is the one you are currently using and happy with when using the A6500.
+1tekguy pilotfly h2 but I plan on trying the crane soon.
Dave Dugdale crane is great!
You CANT update the Zeiss 12mm at home! You have to mail it back to them in Thornwood,NY.
My 32mm Touit is there right now getting the firmware upgrade..
How much did it improve the autofocus for video? Noise?
I'm preparing my touit to ship it to them. How long did they take to send it back to you? I'm in NY too.
Hi Dave, thanks for your great videos. Did you get around sending this lens in for firmware upgrade? Looking to buy a wide angle for my 6500 and would love to buy this one if auto-focus has been improved.
Thanks again!
Wolf did you buy wide angle lens yet?
After upgrading from my NEX7 to a6500, I sent my Zeiss12 in for V.2.0 firmware. In stills, the lens is much more stabile and doesn't continuously hunt for focus, but when shooting video, it's even worse than FW 1.0 on my NEX7. I'm getting the S10-18 for video and will use the Z12 strictly for landscape and underwater stills (Nauticam a6500 housing). l'm hoping for better underwater video tracking and stabilization using the Sigma 16mm f1.4 which is what I was after in the body upgrade. To summarize: The Z12 is absolutely horrible in AF in video (noisy and jumpy) with whatever FW you are using, either V. 1 or 2. I'm disappointed I won't be using my Z12 for video much when diving. I suppose you can set your focus and then maybe turn AF off with one of the function buttons? I haven't tried that yet and hope it will work.
Nice Video,I'm looking for the a6000 a Lens for landscape. Greetings from Germany.Stefan
So Umm... Thoughts on GH5 Dave?!?!
If you want to use the Zeiss Touit 12mm F2.8 for video, you have three options. First is to use it as is with auto focus and all the noise you will get. The second option is to use a separate mic away from the camera. The third and the one I use is to just use it with manual focus. That eliminates the auto focus noise....which is quite predominant. This is my noisiest lens by far when using auto focus. The nice thing about the Zeiss Touit 12 is the image quality and when using manual focus, it is very sharp due to its wide focal length at most distances. It does not take much to manual focus this lens when doing video. And you get to really know your camera when doing manual focus. I love this lens for stills and for video.......you just have to know its limitations. And make sure it has the most recent firmware update. If your go to your menu, look for version and if the lens is not listed on the version, then it needs to be updated by Zeiss. Send them the lens and they will do the update and send it back free of charge. This is a great lens and even better with the update.
Steve smith hmm hard decision which lens to get... 🙈
I recently upgraded my NEX7 to a6500 for video tracking and stabilization for lens, like the Sigma 16 f1.4, that don't have it onboard OSS. I sent my Z12 in for the FW upgrade to V. 2 and while it helped in stills greatly, it didn't do much for video (still hunts and jumps (even worse than FW 1 on my NEX7!). So my options are the ones you mention. Do you use a function button or perhaps the AF/MY button to turn AF on/off when shooting video? Is this at all possible? Thanks Newbie here to video on Sony APS-C.
Hi Dave, I have a question: What program do you use for the image-comparision (0:50)? I would be happy if you answer, greetings from Munich! Sven
+Sven Power Resolve.
Thank you!
Very useful information regarding the poor af for video of the Zeiss...
Just me or does the Touit make a strange noise as it focuses?
Ahh I was thinking about getting Zeiss until I watched this... 😬 I only do video so hmmm
if you need 12mm, the samjang 12/2.0 ist just awesome and dirty cheap!
Crazy - for video, I think the 10-18 looks a lot better.
man you are ossam
I am really disappointed to hear that the 60p 1080p on the 6500 is supposedly not very good or sharp. Can some one please tell me they are wrong. unfortunately I cannot try it out myself before buying. I have read several reviews saying the same thing.
Also PLEASE SONY announce a 60p 4k option in one of your newer cameras before the GH5 comes out in March this year!! That thing looks Bad ass!!! 60p 4K 422 10bit, 6K anamorphic, etc etc.. I shoot 95% 60p and cannot believe why in the heck would it be bad on the a6500? I am quite happy with it on the A7sII.
do you agree there is a huge decline in dslr film making now
its all about mirrorless now, they are so much better for video.
I see you still haven't found the ultimate second monitor yet. :)
Zeis 12mm Best vlogging lens 😁😁
hey, what was this video shot on? also, have you considered looking into the eoshd pro color profile?
Shot on the a7rii, did it look different?
the skintone seems more uniform and "thicker". maybe thats just the lighting, i' m not sure. sonys typically dont roll over to different tonalities in the face very smoothly, that's why i asked
+Artūrs Rudavs I used my own lut that matches canon cameras.
Dave Dugdale is it possible to download this lut and use it in fcpx? Thanks
very nice! perhaps you would be interested in making a little comparison between straight out of the camera footage and with your lut applied? i'd consider buying it. also, would you mind sharing picture profile details?
For stills the Samyang/Rokinon 12 2.0 kills the touit. The whole Touit family is kinda overpriced in my opinion. Maybe to 50mm 2.8 is ok but the 12mm and 32mm are very overpriced for what you get. Also the build quality sucks sometimes, I have friends with the 12mm who both had problems one of which was ridiculous :) he bought it and after unboxing he found that a lens element inside was lose and the lens was creating huge vignette on one part of the frame and the box was in perfect condition.
Firmware update can not fix cheap noisy AF motor inside :)so forget to shoot video with this 12mm.
Thanks for this review. Saved me from buying it...and the a6500 "with it". Went for the 18mm and a7r3, which works great for photo and video. I will make a review about it (Currently only have the 85 review yet from the Zeiss line czcams.com/video/kXVMJK5Sq3Y/video.html )
Slow af tracking, loud af noise and terrible focus breathing. Ill go check out rokinon 14 2.8 af emount then. Sony has yet to come up with a large aperture wide angle prime and zoom for apsc. They have ignored this for so long
so true. Also they keep avoiding releasing good 35mm equiv on aps-c so you have to move to FE if you want more choices
Pixel peep on me daddy Dave 😩😩😩👌👌
Pfff, that AF in video mode is SOOOO BAD. Absolutely useless. You could save 60% of your $$$ and stick to the super awesome Samyang 12mm f/2.0 NCS. It's manual focus only, but I'd rather take that than this awful AF.
For this kind of money and with that autofocus noise is just unacceptable
yay for cat torturing lol bummer that the price shot up on this
Oof. That af sounds like a bag of marbles rolling down a set of stairs. I think I will pass. Thanks for the save. I gimbal with on camera mic a lot.
The Zeiss has HORRIBLE focus breathing. No go for video.