How to Use the Hands ✋ in the Golf Swing
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You guys consistently explain things with the appropriate amount of detail that it clicks. This one was a real gem and just what I needed! I’m so glad I found your channel and I’m thankful for your teaching. Keep it coming. Someday I’d like to come and see you for a lesson.
Super flattered by the comment and so happy you’re experiencing success with the system 🙏🙏 keep us posted!
Wow! Very Impressive. AFAIK nobody can explain the whole swing execution in just one video clip. I can see the cause and effect and all the option of execution from backswing to transition and to the unloading phase. I wish I knew this 22 years ago. I couldn't thank you more.
Thanks so much man 🙏 glad you are enjoying
Great video guys, this is by far the most clear and comprehensive explanation of the hand motion in the golf swing out there period.
Thank you so much 🙏
@@elitegolfschools Seriously. I've searched for this level of detail on the hands, wrists, and body rotation a number of times and come up empty. This is great work, guys. Thank you for spending the time on this.
@@matthewgarthwait3787 fantastic! So happy that we were able to help you! Keep us posted if you have additional questions!!
Wanted to thank you for this video. I've taken lessons from a few pros and all they ever say is "rotate more" as I flipped for years. I took this to the course today and omg. Getting my arms and hands into these positions made rotation an instinct and reaction. I hit the ball at least 10 yards further on each club. Took a few swings to get the feeling on the downswing but i felt like I could go hard at the ball and trust it flew straight. Great work and deep dive.
Oh my gosh! That is fantastic news! So happy to hear about your success! Please keep us posted and let us know if we can help in any way!
Complexity more in the back swing into transition. This is so true! My brain fights this piece so much! Love these videos! Lots of lightbulb moments!
So glad!
Holy Crapaloid where were you gentlemen when I took up this game 40 years ago? I believe I learned more about the golf swing in the last 18 minutes than the previous god knows how long. Good on you, good on you both! Thank you!
Probably one of the best videos I have see relative to how the hands work in the swing. I played around with early pronation a while ago but never was sure it was correct. This really cleared things up.
Glad it cleared things up for you!
Alright, so I went to the DR a little earlier and was working in the stuff from this video. Something interesting happened that I didn’t expect. I had to change my grip position from strong to almost neutral. I guess now that I’m using my hands correctly and the club is on the correct path in the downswing, I no longer need to have a strong grip to create a draw. After adjusting my grip, my cone of error was a lot tighter and the ball flight had a nice 5-10 yd draw pattern. Also, my shots were more penetrating. Thx guys!
I've been a little stuck trying to implement your pattern until the proper explanation of the hinge at takeaway. I was too open for the movement needed which caused inconsistent hits! Look forward to trying this out. Bravo team 👏
Simply amazing content guys! This helps me better understand the specifics of DJ style release better. I got the backswing feel but couldn't quite replicate it at full speed because I was mostly guessing... I tend to be too tight and a bit of a "control freak" so holding on to my angles too much was causing massive hooks and pull-draws.. I'll check my slomo to see if I need some UD in downswing.. I do turn pretty fast from the top so it's harder for me to sync stuff up so the ealier I can set and forget stuff, the better. Thanks again!!!
Every single video is pure gold
Top notch awesomeness 🤩. Great job breaking down the different ways hands work through the swing- grip matchup super important!
Incredible video very easy to understand what normally is complex pattern to understand. Watched it 3 times so far and it's beginning to sink in.
Thank you
Pure gold! I felt like I was in church and the pastor was speaking directly to me!
Haha! 🙏
This is EXACTLY what I’ve been needing to hear! I’ve been trying so hard to force a swing that’s “fundamentally sound”… or whatever. You know, like you’re “supposed” to swing.
After watching this video I relaxed and just let my hands do what felt right for me and I’ve been making better contact and getting closer to my target. And I can actually tell where in my swing, I missed. Like, which part of the sequence my timing was off.
So glad it helped
Wow, great video guys. This is something I have been working on for a couple weeks and now and I think I finally understand what to focus on. I have been trying to hinge the club with too much RD in my back swing ! Combining pronation with extension of the wrist, given I have a proper turn and left side bend in the back swing, it makes it so much easier for me to transition to the downswing and allows my trail elbow to fall into the slot while keeping the clubface square. My mind has been officially blown lol. Just awesome. Thanks for the help!
So glad it helped man! Keep hitting em well!
I’m the same with too much RD on backswing. Low ball flight, divot way forward, strong draw / hook pattern. Were you the same?
Love this, particularly the explanation on pronation and extension of the trail wrist on back swing. Used this action on the golf course today and could feel the control of the club face especially of my driver. Thank you.
So glad it helped!
Amazing break down on the use of hands. Thank you!!
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The most advanced instruction I have ever seen showing how pros hit the ball
I’ve watched this 10 times over months and finally understand the concept. For me, I have to UD at the same time as I do my lateral torso shift to the front. To me that was the secret key to using everything else correctly. Very complex topic but you guys made it seem so clear.
Thank you so much! Glad it helped
Do I gotta admit these things are absolutely accurate and they’re explanations are phenomenal
Hahahahaha as long as they help you hit better shots, that is all we care about!! 🙏🙏
OMG, I have been having so much trouble trying to fight this release pattern, I was on the range yesterday working on this and couldn't get it. Its like you guys were out with me and gave me this video. Thanks
Glad I could help!
I just found you guys yesterday but your contents have been fire. I have apparently been missing the downswing supination/ulnar deviation move in my golf swing, which leads to me having to straighten my trail elbow to get to the ball during impact. As soon as I actively supinate my trail hand during in my downswing, my downswing is automatically transformed; trail elbow stays bent during impact, I don't lose my posture, and my body rotates way, way more. It is so amazing how a seemingly small change like that can radically improve my overall swing. Can't wait until I hit the range with this. Thanks for the sharing and you guys got a new sub from me, cheers!
Isn't that the best when one thought changes the rest of the pattern for the better!! Hit them well and let us know how the range session went!!
This may well be your best video!
This is great guys. Thank you. Easily seen and, finally, understood. 110% wish I was shown this as a kid learning. I was taught to have toe facing straight up at P2, which meant supination not pronation early. Have battled wrist position and squaring clubface for 25 years. Maybe this 'mental click' can help break those habits
Very different! Keep working bro 🙏
I’ve heard Jake Hutt and I believe a few others say that many amateurs don’t have enough UD, which is interesting since we often hear how amateurs tend to early release whereas not enough UD is basically not releasing enough. For me this has been a big help, as I’ve really improved my ball striking and wrist conditions at impact (mostly maintaining some trail wrist extension to better compress the ball) my miss tends to be super thin shots since I’m so used to standing up at impact with my old pattern of having basically no trail wrist extension at impact. Being more conscious of posture and right side bend has helped but I think making sure I’m adding enough UD could be the missing piece. This video was a good demonstration.
Glad it helped bro. Love Jake Hutt 🙏
I am one of the amateurs
Honestly, super solid video. One of the best I've seen in recent times. Can you make one just like this explaining how the driver works?
This is gold
Holy shit! Thank you so much. Unbelievable. I love your passion for teaching. Cheers
Thank you! We love what we do!
Great stuff guys. Love the explanation or where the hub and COM travel in space due to the hand system loading and unloading efficiently.
Thanks so much! 🫡
Stellar content as always, much appreciated! Do you guys have any tips for staying loose and tension free but also keeping the core tight/engaged? I'm having a hard time separating the two.
The timing of this video is perfect as I have been walking around thinking (and doing wrist movements) about going from flexion to extension with the club lower than my hands (UD). My coworkers are looking at me funny. It is a feeling I have never had before and I have played golf for a long time. When I hit good shots while trying to do it, it feels like I am really compressing the ball and throwing it underhand. Additionally, it feels like the ball is leaving the club face in a place where I have rarely felt it before. Does that make sense? It is hard to describe. This video really explained quite a bit for me. Thank you! Awesome stuff.
Same realization for me. Only club giving me fits is the driver?
Makes sense to me! Good feels 🌀
This will be priceless for me!
I ruined my back 9 yesterday by whipping my wedges around my body.
Thank You.
Grateful Aussie.
Right on!!!!
Looking forward to trying this.
Let’s go bro, let us know how it goes
Man, I love your guys approach to coaching, very few instructors out there provide the conceptual information to create an understanding of the swing, awesome video!
Question, if I’m understanding, as you guys highlighted, for a pattern like Fleetwood he is potentially controlling the club CoM more through his Ribcage or side bend through the hit vs others who may may feel a more active UD and around through the hit?
Thank you for all you guys do, love the content!
Impressive and helpful, certainly requires listen, learn and practice…. Thanks for information….
You bet!
Great video! Can you guys do one about the bent lead arm at impact, seems like A LOT of guys are doing that more and curious if there’a any form vs. function to it?
Great video. I can see how this works. My feel is a different type on the takeaway although the club gets to the same position. My lead wrist is slighty cupped and I feel like I am trying to get my lead hand heel as far back as my straight right arm allows. Do you have any videos on alternate takeaways?
Great addition to other videos. I keep going back to one simple question (for a complex movement) - where is the CoM of the club and how did it get there? I was taught that once the clubhead is above the hands it must be behind and once it drops below the hands it must be in front. Nonsense of course but now I know why. Thanks again.
Glad it’s helping bro
Same hand movements as Xander and Morikawa on the backswing I believe. Amazing vid.
Much appreciated bro
OMG now I understand the load and unload sequence with the hands, ribs and turn. Does this apply with the Driver as well? Can you kindly do a video with the driver and the difference with high and low lofted irons ? ❤
Great video. Would not mind a high level recap of the various preferred movement from the different body structures :)
My distance and trajectory has improved immensely with the irons and fairway woods with this system and unload. Trajectory is higher and more cary. Stock shot is baby draw to strait. The driver is the one club that I am struggling with, the extension and flexion I find more difficult. Throwing daggers with the irons. Long irons are back in the bag. Driver is short and smothered or pop up. When I catch it it is strong and hot off tha face. I do feel the throw. I use to roll release or hold on too long. I seem to swing better feeling an active release. If I stay too passive the ball hooks more often. I can stay passive if I swing left trying to fade not the most comfortable shot for me. Trusting the fade pattern is a work in progress. The deep dive was great. Please do a deep dive on setup. I must be missing something with the driver? Love the content. I have a tournament this Monday. May have to use my 4 wood off the tee if I can't get my driver more consistent. My swing speed with the irons is high 70s to mid 80s as the club length increases. The woods low 90s and the driver about 100 mph.
Good luck in your event! Noted on the setup vid 📝
@@elitegolfschools I had a great tournament. Driver was on point finally. Seems I had to feel more of a longer flat point before hitting up on the ball. I actually was able to hit a few fades on demand with the driver for ideal position on the approach. Woods were great. Wedges even better. Short irons were pretty good with some pulls. Putting and when needed chipping was near flawless. I play on a mountain course track. Some of the shots were impacted by slope. Far left pins were my challenge. Even though I like to draw the ball far left pins get in my head and I over draw. The woosh is real! Timing is not perfect yet alway a work in progress. Thanks for the response!
Managing the wrists equals managing the face correctly at impact and other good things like shallowing and speed. Great content I bet this would sort out your wedge game too.
Absolutely bro
Love your content and explanations. Love the systems approach to the golf swing. Early pronation and wrist extension is a huge eye opener for a guy who has fought early trail arm supination in the backswing. I can feel the compression with this set and release combo, but am fighting push cuts. Do I need to focus more on COM behind me combined with good rib sway? Thanks!
That’s a good way to think about it!
Great lesson, i get this you want to start ud at the start of the downswing, do you go to max ud right away or gradually build up? what about at impact? . also with the extension of trail wrist, exactly when do you start extension? you go max extension?.. confused a bit about at impact. thanks very much
These are so interesting because a lot of this is based on grip. Folks that grip it weaker will have differing release patterns from folks that grip it strong 🙏
Love the video this was very helpful. My question after playing around doing the little half shots and feeling how the club moves in space and releasing is… how do you actually get into a full swing then and a full swing with power. I felt like once I tried doing it with a full swing it didn’t have much more power.
Probably need more back chain through the strike. Some of our impact videos should help you marry the body and hand system together.
And do you have any drills to recommend to help with UD in the downswing?
The backswing motion reminds me of some of the old timers like Eamon Darcy and Jimmy Brouen, right wrist pronation and extension, they used to have big RD also on backswing. I actually saw my friends father years ago swing like this, a sight to behold, I couldn’t believe he was able to hit the ball!
Super cool!
Great video simplifying a tough topic! Question: when you preset more on the probation and extension in the takeaway it doesn’t appear the hand depth at the top is deep enough - maybe that’s just for the small practice swings?
Hand depth is created through proper stretching of the upper spiral! Also, generally our players don’t need as much hand depth at the top compared to other systems 👍🏼
Watching this is my living room. ITCHING to get on the range tomorrow morning and grind.
This shallow move in transition is really holding me back from 🚽 flush bombs
You already flush it bro 👌🏼
Great detail..however how does this relate to throwing the lead arm off the chest as advocated by other rotary golf coaches?Thanks
Just messed with that backswing feel. I'd been doing the right wrist flexion but not the pronation. WTAF. I'm in AZ and think I'm gonna need to come see you guys. 😮
Happy to have been intro'd to your channel from watching Milo for last few years. Love the videos. Will be in touch for in person lesson/s maybe this coming winter. 1 Q-what brand of shoes are those. I noticed Milo wearing same shoe-look great,. Thanks in advance.
TrueLinks!
Thank you @@elitegolfschools
Jesus that was amazing.
Thanks so much!!!!!! ❤️❤️
Hi guys, at address, is the left wrist setup for RH golfer with some ulnar deviation or radial deviation?
I saw a video recommending some ulnar and during takeaway hinging to neutral. This has reduced some of my wrist pain in left hand as I started at address with more radial.
Thanks
i loved this video, however earlier today i watched a video where Alex was working outside with Trev and he had him taking the club backwash RD , chest turn with passive arms, then extension, like jack nicklaus waggle circle...This video showed takeaway not RD and extension, but pronation and extension, making the club go back more vertical and club face more closed... Am i correct and which way is better?
Both can be and are wonderful ways to control the face and need to be matched up with certain body movement. However, in each instance you’ll see the COM of the club ride in top of the plane and then work under the plane in transition (our preferred pattern). The variable here is how closed or open is the face based on shaft axis…
When talking about wrist set with the trail wrist complex, I feel as though if I try to actively use my trail wrist "feel" to dictate my wrist set I often accidentally extend with RD, however my feel when focusing on my lead hand feels more comfortable and manageable. Would there be any drawbacks to using feel from lead rather than trail wrist? Power leak as an example, maybe?
Absolutely no problem with focusing on lead wrist! Always interesting to hear/see how players put this stuff into feels/sensory awareness 🙏
Nice video! Do you guys have a video where you sync up the hand action to the upper body and lower body action to understand the overall sequence of everything? Thanks!
Yes! Golf swing basics and overall golf swing would be good ones to watch!
Thanks!
@@roll62 you bet!!
Question: is the wrist feeling you’re looking for is that the extended wrist is like a fully loaded spring, and the rotation snaps into extension as you swing through P7? Is the goal to minimize consciously moving the wrist?
Making impact early in the backswing. So you don’t have to close the face in transition. If you just did their elbow out transition. The face would super wide open. By presetting it in the early backswing it eliminates that one step. So it can be more fluid
Is there a general rule or approximation of when to unload arms then hands after chest engine? Sternum angle? Sequencing? Timing? Ive early extended and casted for 45 years and need A LOT of remapping
I still can't seem to do the proper hip movement.. Would be nice if you could do a video on that specifically. (unless it's part of another vid but I saw them all) Would you agree that the lead hip have to stay lower than trail during transition? My old pattern is to pull (more like "rip") lead hip "back" from the top which messes everything up.. Thanks.
We can definitely make a video on this!
very advanced. wow.
Hope it helps to understand the wrist conditions a bit better 🙏
@@elitegolfschools Hi, do you start to UD from the top on the way down. Or do you try to hold the RD until near to the right leg, then you start to UD?
@@tlim1945 for everyone it’s a bit different depending upon what they need for their own personal system. That being said, we encourage most to wait until a bit later. Want most of shallowing done by the ribs and upper arm systems
Should the RD be maxed out on the backswing and at transition. I always do this and always fight a hook and low ball flight, I think the max RD promotes my tendency.
Thanks for a great video, food for thought!
There’s a correct amount of the move for everyone. Maxing anything out is probably not the right idea, but be curious about how it relates to you
Hi, where exactly is the release? Please add a search to your channel. Regards,
Need a set up deep dive please!!
Grip video would be a good jumping off point 🙏
How about a video in increasing or managing club head speeds.
When you do RD or UD do you lead that action with the right hand or left hand or both at same the time? And does that happen at the honey hole?
thanks
Both hands is ideal! And the majority of the active wrist movement we would like to see early in the backswing to load the wrist complex. The unload should simply respond to movement. Passive unloads
@@elitegolfschoolsMade a good addition to my swing. Another fine advice for my swing puzzle.
Thank you!
How does this all relate to putting backspin on a ball with a wedge or short iron so it stops on the green? Are the timing of the unload and degree of UD involved in spin manipulation?
If you pronate and extend right wrist on backswing as well as left side bend you’ve already set yourself up for backspin and correct strike. It’s just a matter of good contact after that which is where skill and practice comes in
How firm is the grip pressure when you are working in the area?
Fairly light 👌🏼
Quick question how do you hit it high fade with driver with such bowed left wrist what’s the move?
That bowed wrist actually makes it easier to hit fades - then you can just turn on it hard with the chest and stabilize the face. Certainly other pieces you need as well though 🙏
6:37 6:40 Show the right hands motion, I want to confirm, the iron,wedge,driver is the same motion.
I found DJ Hovland looks like your video. I tried 100s practice, comfortable
at P2.5～3 finish BS for the hands motion,just turn and finish BS
When I add the little bit of pronation in my right lower arm on the way back it really wants to make my right elbow chicken wing a bit. My hands also get a little closer to my head. Overdoing it a bit?
No you have to be careful to not allow the pronation to leak into the upper arm, lower arm pronates independent of upper arm
Hard to argue with DJs on the wrist preset before P2.5…and it does simplify the otherwise busy loading phase…BUT… for your preferred movement and general elastic utilization system…I’m curious why the early wrist load doesn’t cause an inconsistent/early unload. why wouldn’t you let the initial spiral almost create a micro trail wrist flexion (bow) like you do with the limp arms? Or is it just a gentle 60% preset into P2.5 to get things in the right orientation for that final wrist loading going into P5?
It all depends on the player. You are certainly onto something that the spiral line begins to create a wrist set later in the pattern, but some people still hit it great setting it earlier 👍
What is a "checkpoint" for the club face and/or wrists to look like at P5? Sometimes, my natural state is to have the club face too open and then it's horrible at impact. I feel like I really need to bend my trail wrist into flexion to get it square. Is that normal?
It is normal, although it might be easier for you to get that done earlier in the swing. In the load phase 👍🏼
Guys wondering are you planning on having any golf schools this year?
We’ve got one coming up in AZ Feb 6-8. One spot is still available!
UD during end of transition / unload sometimes makes me produce very low nasty hooks, especially with driver. Why do you think that is?
Couple that move with pelvis thrust/extension and you get hooks. Get pressure up to the lead side in transition and stay in flexion in the hips longer 🌀
You are getting under plane on the downswing. Need more rotation of the body which moves the club 'out' and on plane, for you. Too much rotation from the top can lead to over plane. The golf swing is about matchups of a few variables.
I have the same issue... irons and fairways are great. I want the same feeling but my swing through with the driver is suspect.
Is it common for people to think the release pattern you have shown is a flip where you are adding loft at impact and so they fight the release even though you are telling them it is ok?
Sure, people’s mental maps vary widely and often our work is cleaning up those maps 🧠
How is the unload not flipping the club through impact?
Flipping is early unloading, I would drop that word from my vocabulary if I was you. If your body action is correct then you can flip all day long, it’s just a release
This reminds me of ‘hitting with the back of the club’ mojo a goofy instructor kept on preaching back of the day. Where he kept on turning the hub so the mass of the club would feel like you would hit the ball with the back of the club
Sometimes it takes time to figure out what those goofy dudes are saying!
When you say “rib rotation” closes the club face, do you mean “rib sway”?
Is it GOTA, GOATA, COTa system? What is it? Trying to look it up.
GOATA 🙏
Thanks!
Can you make it any simple?😮
As in you would like a simplified version??? Or you like how simple the video is??
Jeffy golf did a post on this that I’m pretty certain Luke bracke agreed with: “How does UD on the downswing shallow the shaft or get the club behind you? It does neither; UD steepens the shaft and doesn’t influence whether the club is more in front or behind you”. I sent you the post on Instagram so you can see
We say UD rather than supination of trail wrist complex…. Truly it’s maintaining extension with supination but saying supination usually leads to unnecessary opening of the face. So…. Maintaining extension of trail wrist while supinating trail wrist is a shallower that keeps face appropriately closed 🙏
@@elitegolfschoolsthe last portion of your comment here; that’s basically the unwinding/forearm twisting face up while on the downswing? I’ve seen this referred to as the doorknob turn
@@elitegolfschoolswhen you demonstrate though you can see how toe down the club is and how high the handle gets at impact. Not things most players would want
They are teaching a very modern pattern golf swing. Rotational with a stable club face if done correctly. No flip.
If you take a look at our players on our gram, you’re not going to see a high handle 👍
Isn't it amazing how much is happening in something that takes less than 6 seconds to do!
To me this leads to a debate of something that I don't think is measurable yet. From the "top" : Does a golfer hold radial deviation, throw ulnar deviation, or remain passive? I had a coach, very well known, who taught that one the little-know secrets of the golf swing is that good players, knowingly or not, throw the angle from the top (ulnar deviation). I tried this and I had instant results with long clubs. Other coaches will teach the opposite. The GEAR heads will argue that you don't throw it. But GEARS really can't measure this. The idea of throwing it is that you can't see it because the turn "negates" it. I opine that most players would be best off thinking of it as an "open hinge". It is neither thrown nor held, it simply reacts to the body. When a player goes from the top and creates additional angle between the shaft and forearm, this is due to an open hinge reacting to the movement of the body: the arms still going up and the weight shift and crunch (hip hinge, right side bend, spiral etc). It appears to me you guys might fall in the "open hinge" camp (relaxed muscles lead to speed), if you are even willing to have this debate based on this framing. What sayeth you? (Love this vids, obvs)
I think each player feels things differently 🙏 many ways to swing it
This is the incredible ah-ha video for me, that makes a lot of things click. I'm sure the details in this video are referred to in the other fantastic videos. But to have it all together, in detail as a part of a larger system. It's so ridiculously anti-slice, it almost feels like cheating. Thank you!
From top of BS to impact is less than 1/4 second. A time frame insufficient for
movement of hands to be under conscious control.
There is no way to know position of hands in space during that 1/4 second.
That being the case, please explain what the suggested intention at top of BS
that will result in the hand action you describe. (description is more detailed and thorough
than any other, I have heard/read) kudos
Looking to have the COM of the club work behind and down, the hands can help facilitate this along with a few other movements.
@@elitegolfschools My point is that once the DS begins, there is nothing we can do consciously during less than 1/4 second. We have "time" at the top of the BS for a singular intent. That is all there is .. then impact. Please look into this. For years instructors and gifted athletes have provided well meaning instruction, that is impossible for humans to perform consciously.
In less than 1/4 second it has to be a subconscious, chain action initiated by a singular intent.
Change any link within the chain action and the intent has to be changed.
Over ride your subconscious and we stumble, just as we stumble when we attempt to consciously control every move when we walk down stairs.
How the hell do you square the face from there
Turn and release it! Amazing, almost everyone asks the same thing 🙏
I'm afraid that the the minute I heard go to P5.5 / P6 I tuned out.
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Now, can you make content on speed? You are so much aware of human physiology that I bet you can. Same way you build up a full swing through all human systems, could you build up a speed contribution? Moving club head speed from 100 to 105-110-115-130 mph.
Up on our wall of ideas bro 🙏
This is classic Mike Austin stuff, been around for years but no one (amateurs) paid attention.
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Way too much focus on positions, how can you hit a ball with all these thoughts?
Hit ‘em however you like bro 👍